Regarding the doxxing of members, infiltrators and normalization of negative behaviors

[SleepingWolf]

We can do better. It is our duty.

Ave Zeus!

It does worry me these patterns of late. Satan tells us to keep his house united and not fall divided. Understandably we have men paranoid to keep our house clean of the rats filth. But we must be wary of overcorrection. I appreciate every member I've seen here, but some spend a bit too much time and energy directing energy towards what should be treated as allies.

The benefit of the doubt is given but it's sparse at times. We must not allow our house to be divided.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

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I can admit when I was wrong, which I was here. You may think it wasn’t the best idea but it’s what I felt was the right thing to do. So I encourage HC to take whatever against me he feels necessary. Wether it’s a banning/banishment or a deletion of it all (Everyone has seen it by now).

My intentions were good. You have a situation where there’s constant attempts of subversion and forming covens outside of ToZ, which is only helped with your idea of keeping everything private no matter what. My idea is what JFK said.

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.

Sticking to the strict code of secrecy is how the enemy thrives. Notable Infiltrators always do these things behind the scenes and try to rope in as many people as possible promising not to tell, and it works because no one wants to come forward and blow the lid on it.

So you can bet if I acquire serious dirt on someone (Lawfully) I’m going to make everyone else aware of it. This isn’t some gangster hood. I don’t have a “no snitching” code. I’m not going to figuratively hide yehuborim under my floorboard in the name of some made up oath of silence. Take care.

 

[Kurat]

Thats right. They behaved wrong with One Wire Phenomen. And too many members behave as drama queens.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Exposing specific yehuborim should be done in an appropriate manner. Not in this manner. Shooting out another person's information is a non acceptable practice in the board. This is for quite a few reasons one can easily understand.

Most people are dead wrong in their "pressupositions", and only some end up being right. But damage cannot be allowed to be done to nobody based on this.

Regardless, the so called "Picture" in what you did, when put in a search engine, is already online and public. This does not constitute doxxing or revelation of something that wasn't already public. This is not what is the case in a public picture. So there is therefore nothing of this in that case.

VoE's post should be understood in a general light, not about this incident, but in GENERAL.

If you use one picture of Billy Gates here and it's already in Facebook, Instagram, or a News Article, this is not "Doxxing", because it's on the public.

Lastly, OneWirePhenomenon was not the person in the picture, nor any other member, or anyone at all. This was just a random Yehubor with a public picture.

This person was a random, so moderation assumed this was a joke or something of this caliber, or just a random Yehubor. In the case this would be a Yehubor that is exposed, the picture wouldn't be made public, solely to protect the board however, not the Yehubor.

The case is a non issue besides everyone firing from the hip for no reason. It's strongly advised to NOT do this in this manner again. Lastly, banning won't solve this, just don't repeat pointlessly in the future.

Strong discretion should be the case for all of these things.

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I can admit when I was wrong, which I was here. You may think it wasn’t the best idea but it’s what I felt was the right thing to do. So I encourage HC to take whatever against me he feels necessary. Wether it’s a banning/banishment or a deletion of it all (Everyone has seen it by now).

My intentions were good. You have a situation where there’s constant attempts of subversion and forming covens outside of ToZ, which is only helped with your idea of keeping everything private no matter what. My idea is what JFK said.

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.

Sticking to the strict code of secrecy is how the enemy thrives. Notable Infiltrators always do these things behind the scenes and try to rope in as many people as possible promising not to tell, and it works because no one wants to come forward and blow the lid on it.

So you can bet if I acquire serious dirt on someone (Lawfully) I’m going to make everyone else aware of it. This isn’t some gangster hood. I don’t have a “no snitching” code. I’m not going to figuratively hide yehuborim under my floorboard in the name of some made up oath of silence. Take care.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

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I can admit when I was wrong, which I was here. You may think it wasn’t the best idea but it’s what I felt was the right thing to do. So I encourage HC to take whatever against me he feels necessary. Wether it’s a banning/banishment or a deletion of it all (Everyone has seen it by now).

My intentions were good. You have a situation where there’s constant attempts of subversion and forming covens outside of ToZ, which is only helped with your idea of keeping everything private no matter what. My idea is what JFK said.

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.

Sticking to the strict code of secrecy is how the enemy thrives. Notable Infiltrators always do these things behind the scenes and try to rope in as many people as possible promising not to tell, and it works because no one wants to come forward and blow the lid on it.

So you can bet if I acquire serious dirt on someone (Lawfully) I’m going to make everyone else aware of it. This isn’t some gangster hood. I don’t have a “no snitching” code. I’m not going to figuratively hide yehuborim under my floorboard in the name of some made up oath of silence. Take care.

Well One Wire Phenomenon pretty much said he’s leaving the forums. I hope he reconsidered knowing that SWG posts occasionally some paranoia. But knowing what I’ve read, he probably did. It is a shame.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

Exposing specific yehuborim should be done in an appropriate manner. Not in this manner. Shooting out another person's information is a non acceptable practice in the board. This is for quite a few reasons one can easily understand.

Most people are dead wrong in their "pressupositions", and only some end up being right. But damage cannot be allowed to be done to nobody based on this.

Regardless, the so called "Picture" in what you did, when put in a search engine, is already online and public. This does not constitute doxxing or revelation of something that wasn't already public. This is not what is the case in a public picture. So there is therefore nothing of this in that case.

VoE's post should be understood in a general light, not about this incident, but in GENERAL.

If you use one picture of Billy Gates here and it's already in Facebook, Instagram, or a News Article, this is not "Doxxing", because it's on the public.

Lastly, OneWirePhenomenon was not the person in the picture, nor any other member, or anyone at all. This was just a random Yehubor with a public picture.

This person was a random, so moderation assumed this was a joke or something of this caliber, or just a random Yehubor. In the case this would be a Yehubor that is exposed, the picture wouldn't be made public, solely to protect the board however, not the Yehubor.

The case is a non issue besides everyone firing from the hip for no reason. It's strongly advised to NOT do this in this manner again. Lastly, banning won't solve this, just don't repeat pointlessly in the future.

Strong discretion should be the case for all of these things.

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I can admit when I was wrong, which I was here. You may think it wasn’t the best idea but it’s what I felt was the right thing to do. So I encourage HC to take whatever against me he feels necessary. Wether it’s a banning/banishment or a deletion of it all (Everyone has seen it by now).

My intentions were good. You have a situation where there’s constant attempts of subversion and forming covens outside of ToZ, which is only helped with your idea of keeping everything private no matter what. My idea is what JFK said.

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.

Sticking to the strict code of secrecy is how the enemy thrives. Notable Infiltrators always do these things behind the scenes and try to rope in as many people as possible promising not to tell, and it works because no one wants to come forward and blow the lid on it.

So you can bet if I acquire serious dirt on someone (Lawfully) I’m going to make everyone else aware of it. This isn’t some gangster hood. I don’t have a “no snitching” code. I’m not going to figuratively hide yehuborim under my floorboard in the name of some made up oath of silence. Take care.

Well One Wire Phenomenon pretty much said he’s leaving the forums. I hope he reconsidered knowing that SWG posts occasionally some paranoia. But knowing what I’ve read, he probably did. It is a shame.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

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Well One Wire Phenomenon pretty much said he’s leaving the forums. I hope he reconsidered knowing that SWG posts occasionally some paranoia. But knowing what I’ve read, he probably did. It is a shame.

Recently a person was banned because their hobby was to, oftentimes without any proof whatsoever, call everyone a Yehubor on the boards for years and chase them around doing this over and over again.

At the same rate, they couldn't recognize yehuborim sitting next to them for years. Or even helped yehuborim copiously to get in and do damage. All of this, was done without them really wanting it, just because of confusion.

Regardless the damage is done and the above is not a sensible practice without anything to back it up.

When this is done wrong in everyway, this is the result. Also, the member in question that is leaving, was also being extremely non serious on how he dealt with this and what messages he gave others. So massive confusion was bound to happen sooner or later.

Maybe all sides will reconsider and he might return. It's up to them now.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

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Ramier in regards to your new rights, these are posting rights. You can post without approval. Not moderator rights. It means you are off moderation [unmoderated], not a moderator. Thanks.

 

[Shadowcat]

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The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

The boards here will never be used for this type of thing. I know I have been subject to copious "doxxing" and attacks on all sorts of Yehuborim platforms, but we don't intend to do the same here on our own website platform in any willing manner to even them, to avoid poisoning OUR platform.

I know they all know it's illegal and that they don't care about it of course, but we have some standards we are following.

Regardless, measures will be taken in other ways, but not in this manner. So we are always open to information.

yes ok, cobra prevented me before from giving otu info on infiltrators.

BUT it was correct. it saved lives. he told me i cannot post it. but no problem in helping tho.

privacy is bullshit if u protect yehuborim with it. u think its small matter? is not. they make covens, damage, corrupt people. but yea, it cannot be posted here and wont be.

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[Paladin of Khepu]

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Ramier in regards to your new rights, these are posting rights. You can post without approval. Not moderator rights. It means you are off moderation [unmoderated], not a moderator. Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up. VoE thought I was a moderator. Lol. I didn’t think I was one.

 

[Sunny]

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Ramier in regards to your new rights, these are posting rights. You can post without approval. Not moderator rights. It means you are off moderation [unmoderated], not a moderator. Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up. VoE thought I was a moderator. Lol. I didn’t think I was one.

My compliments Ramier and please use this privilege wisely.

 

[Sunny]

Nice speech, thanks VoiceofEnki!

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

Well One Wire Phenomenon pretty much said he’s leaving the forums. I hope he reconsidered knowing that SWG posts occasionally some paranoia. But knowing what I’ve read, he probably did. It is a shame.

What does “leaving the forum” mean? Are they just going to stop posting of viewing all together? This person is schizophrenic. They’ll be back tomorrow writing more tall tales.

 

[darkmonkey666]

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

Ramier in regards to your new rights, these are posting rights. You can post without approval. Not moderator rights. It means you are off moderation [unmoderated], not a moderator. Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up. VoE thought I was a moderator. Lol. I didn’t think I was one.

My compliments Ramier and please use this privilege wisely.

I have every intention on helping others like always. After this little incident, I’m making it my goal to help potential members and current members to get ahead. I usually stay silent unless necessary. Guess I can’t really now. Actually I won’t be silent. If we’re to be leaders we’ve got to perfect ourselves and help each other. Like in the military we all are a team. If one falls we might as well all fall. We can’t have weak links or things like this incident as of past will happen. I get Slyscorpion and SWG trying to be protective of our forums from enemy lurkers but we must not judge too harshly from now on unless necessary and with complete factual evidence to provide our judgment.


Also thank you Master.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

What’s done is done Slyscorpion. I’ll try to see if @Shadowcat has his email and try to contact him. Just keep advancing and if you need help or are stuck on something regarding advancement let us know. I get your feelings of reservation and all, but we are a team. We all must get stronger. We have to see potential members as such: potential members. We can judge their actions if it is proven with complete conviction that they are not beneficial to themselves or us. This is a mutual understanding brother. Keep up your advancement.

Ave Zeus

 

[One Wire Phenomenon]

I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

What’s done is done Slyscorpion. I’ll try to see if @Shadowcat has his email and try to contact him. Just keep advancing and if you need help or are stuck on something regarding advancement let us know. I get your feelings of reservation and all, but we are a team. We all must get stronger. We have to see potential members as such: potential members. We can judge their actions if it is proven with complete conviction that they are not beneficial to themselves or us. This is a mutual understanding brother. Keep up your advancement.

Ave Zeus

Congratulations for moving up the ranks. Thank you for standing up for me. I will also try and do better from now on and not make silly posts. I learnt a lesson

 

[One Wire Phenomenon]

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

Its okay im glad we can be cool.

 

[One Wire Phenomenon]

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Well One Wire Phenomenon pretty much said he’s leaving the forums. I hope he reconsidered knowing that SWG posts occasionally some paranoia. But knowing what I’ve read, he probably did. It is a shame.

Recently a person was banned because their hobby was to, oftentimes without any proof whatsoever, call everyone a Yehubor on the boards for years and chase them around doing this over and over again.

At the same rate, they couldn't recognize yehuborim sitting next to them for years. Or even helped yehuborim copiously to get in and do damage. All of this, was done without them really wanting it, just because of confusion.

Regardless the damage is done and the above is not a sensible practice without anything to back it up.

When this is done wrong in everyway, this is the result. Also, the member in question that is leaving, was also being extremely non serious on how he dealt with this and what messages he gave others. So massive confusion was bound to happen sooner or later.

Maybe all sides will reconsider and he might return. It's up to them now.

Thank you for handling it very professionally. I thought i was very seriously when i wrote what i wrote anyway i hope i did not cause damage to anyboby here or the forum.
Im very happy that i am NOT a Yehubor and we can continue.
I will try and do better next time and not make silly posts aswel because this place is no joke.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Does he have an email I can contact him by?

 

[One Wire Phenomenon]

Just to verify again as I did on the thread that was deleted with the pic for those who didn't see, this was the pic that one wire sent some of us of someone he wanted away from his family. A thread was made about it where we replied.

This person is far from a Yehubor. I know we can look at last names and such funny but so much more must be taken into consideration. I even admitted to this as well and that it wasn't fair.

His behavior is not Yehuborim at all. I hope he comes back but also that learns not to be too open for his own good.

Thank you ShadowCat you are a true friend to have.

 

[Shadowcat]

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Does he have an email I can contact him by?

[email protected]

He said he's comin back just taking care of things

 

[Specter]

Although I'm fairly certain what's going here is just a somewhat well played gimmick by both sides to waste our time with some senseless drama, I'm glad that some are managing to stay by their morals for the integrity of the community and I really respect that.

There's a meme about the vaccine, I think it goes by "Don't clean the fish, clean the bowl" which I think can be applied here.

I've only informed a few members who I genuinely care about regarding certain users because I know they've established a network of users they talk to. But I've discontinued having relations outside a long time ago, I use to think this would be the solution to the problem but it isn't because that would be running away.

We also do not know who's gonna be a sell out or who is actually an infiltrator because the reality is, there are some of the enemy who're very capable of appearing as genuine Zevism, they've studied our material more than enough than the average to appear as an adept and even provide valuable input, in which the person attempted to oust them would instead have their own credibility questioned and risk having the tables turned on them, Mageson and Zola are such examples and proved this was a reality. But some of you should pay attention, as many have blatantly revealed themselves, otherwise all I've ever done was just watch, the only that can be done and I know others are sharing this predicament and I'm glad the right people know.

It's also interesting to see that the ones that are naïve and gullible to their gimmicks are the same ones are so eager to publicize themselves as "ascended", when the fact is they don't want to admit they've spent so many years and are still stuck in the same level.

 

[Shadowcat]

Just to verify again as I did on the thread that was deleted with the pic for those who didn't see, this was the pic that one wire sent some of us of someone he wanted away from his family. A thread was made about it where we replied.

This person is far from a Yehubor. I know we can look at last names and such funny but so much more must be taken into consideration. I even admitted to this as well and that it wasn't fair.

His behavior is not Yehuborim at all. I hope he comes back but also that learns not to be too open for his own good.

Thank you ShadowCat you are a true friend to have.

Remember what i said and keep still about too many personal details and you will be fine

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Does he have an email I can contact him by?

[email protected]

He said he's comin back just taking care of things

Yeah he contacted me earlier this morning. He told me he’s not leaving.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

What’s done is done Slyscorpion. I’ll try to see if @Shadowcat has his email and try to contact him. Just keep advancing and if you need help or are stuck on something regarding advancement let us know. I get your feelings of reservation and all, but we are a team. We all must get stronger. We have to see potential members as such: potential members. We can judge their actions if it is proven with complete conviction that they are not beneficial to themselves or us. This is a mutual understanding brother. Keep up your advancement.

Ave Zeus

Congratulations for moving up the ranks. Thank you for standing up for me. I will also try and do better from now on and not make silly posts. I learnt a lesson

Not a problem brother, just be wary and advance as you can. We are all here to help. We all ride under the same banner of Satan regardless of our respective habits and personalities.

 

[Desdemona_666]

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I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

It’s kinda weird to find you in such thread, considering you are responsible for at least two members leaving the forums. Remember when you accused people of cursing each other which later was proven false. No? Come on, you probably do. There is no way you forgot all the drama you caused.

 

[darkmonkey666]

I reached out to one wire for consolation. I'll try reassuring him again that he doesn't have to be chased away.

Tell him Slyscorpion is sorry too and I just got paranoid and confused by the various things I saw from and about him. The some people said Yehubor I took that as gospel truth. Oh and to repeat since the thread was deleted I said that on apparently and I don't think he saw it. I have no intention to post any picture of him real or fake and never did not did I ever do that to anyone so he can relax.

It’s kinda weird to find you in such thread, considering you are responsible for at least two members leaving the forums. Remember when you accused people of cursing each other which later was proven false. No? Come on, you probably do. There is no way you forgot all the drama you caused.

Huh?

 

[Quicksilver]

Actual infiltrators are never going to reveal their name or a picture of themselves for reasons that should be beyond obvious. This is what happens when people start using these boards like facebook, and spend more time talking about each other than relevant topics.

I understand there are some who pursue some form of celebrity status which in an anonymous forum is ludicrous.


yehuborim that infiltrate the forums are more subtle than straight up posting blatant blasphemous dogshit, or outrageous posts that bring a lot of attention to themselves. These are almost always confused or ignorant members.

I agree with this. They will even pose as a ToZ member or somewhat into it then gain your trust exchange pictures and seem like friends then turn around and backstab you by doxxing.

By the way I know this post was to what happened to someone on the forum,, my condolences on what happened I hope you guys got this straightened out.