Refuting anti-JoS Propaganda

[Rational Satanist]

Propaganda claim #1: JoS is a cult

The word cult can have lots of meanings. It can mean a religious sect or a strange non-mainstream religion. Obviously I don't deny these meanings can apply to us, since we are "strange" compared to mainstream religions. But those who use it against us usually don't mean that, but they mean a destructive cult.

A destructive cult controls all of a person's life, takes all their money and is hierarchical and usually led by a charismatic leader who exploits and manipulates the other cult members. It cuts that person from his family, threatens to reveal everything to their family if that person tries to leave the cult and often leads them to self-destruction and even suicide.

You can see that a free online site with a free online forum where you can join anonymously and leave whenever you want is impossible to manipulate you. Actual cults gather as much of person's private information as they can so they can blackmail the person if they try to leave. Yet even in the forum here, one of the rules advises against sharing personal info, and if a person tries to post their personal info it gets censored. The entire religion of Spiritual Satanism is based on solitary practice and not meeting with others offline. Here in the forums it's even advised that if you are new you shouldn't meet up with anyone because it's dangerous. So to join Spiritual Satanism, all you have to do i read the JoS website, and start practicing power meditations and other things and do the Dedication ritual if you are ready. All these are practiced in the safety of your home. If you want to leave, you just stop practicing and leave and nobody can really stop you.

Some bring up a counter-argument that even if it doesn't overtly manipulate people, there are many people who get obsessed with SS to the point that they leave their family and get their lives ruined, and this means that they are manipulated just like in the cults somehow. But what obsessive personalities do isn't the responsibility of JoS. Obsessive personalities can get obsessed with everything: video games, porn e.t.c. Are you going to tell me that video games are a cult? If there's any overt manipulation going on that can be identified, then it doesn't prove your point.

Propaganda claim #2: JoS is out for the money

Obviously every organization needs money to keep going. Nothing is run for free. But being "out for the money" means something else: that it's interested in making money above everything else and not for example doing Satan's will or helping people.

Let's start with an easy argument against this: If JoS is only interested in money, where are the ads in the site and forums? I'm using Ublock Origin with most filters enabled, and yet it blocks nothing. Zero ads or trackers. You can load the site on an adblocker and see this for yourself. On the contrary I have seen many site admins who are actually interested in money whine about adblock users.

Add to that the fact that membership is completely free and you don't need to pay anything in order to join, and all the teachings, sermons, meditations, magick and other information you need to practice Spiritual Satanism is on the site, completely free and available for everyone. On the other hand, a fake Satanist here was selling a 40-page book with "prayers and meditations for spiritual warfare" for $11. Also many (fake) Satanic organizations require money to join and make you swear an oath that you won't reveal any of their teachings to everyone. And many times, these very organizations are the ones who accuse JoS just being in for the money.

The only means the JoS ministry has for making money is donations, which is not a very reliable one. It only works if people really like what you are offering, and if you get lots of money in donations it means you are actuallly offering something of value to people and you aren't just in for the money. That is, unless you are a marxist co-founder of BLM who uses the money gathered from donations to buy a home worth $1.4 million while you promise to use this money for social justice and black people. If you support BLM while you accuse JoS of being money-hungry, congratulations: you went full retard.

The subjects that the JoS organization deals with are so fringe, unpopular and controversial that it's impossible to make lots of money promoting them: Satanism, National Socialism, Aliens, anti-semitism, questioning the mainstream narrative (like for example on the Covid scam and the dangerous non-vaccines (actually experimental gene therapies) and wokeness/cultural marxism). All of these are not only unpopular, but censored, so even if you try to promote these things in mainstream internet places they get shut down. Even payment processors and crowdfunding sites ban them. By contrast, if the JoS really was interested in only money, they would drop all the Satan stuff, stop antagonizing christianity and the mainstream narrative, stop attacking the Yehuborim and instead make it something that promises to improve your life and make you lots of money, and in general give you whatever you want regardless of what beliefs you have. You can see this in popular New Age authors and lecturers: what they have in common is they never antagonize christianity (they even use bible verses to show that their teachings are compatible with it), they never exclude anyone and they make it all about your peace and prosperity. Usually all of this is wrapped in feel-good language which tells you what you want to hear instead of the cold, hard truth.

Propaganda claim #3: JoS are "racist" Nazis

Nobody here denies being a National Socialist, but these propagandists make it seem as if we hate all non-whites, not just Yehuborim. This is so easy to refute: There are many non-white members here and there are specific groups for different non-white races. In fact, nobody asks you for your race, unless you are a Yehubor.

In the past, many people claimed to have been banned because they were black or whatever but when questioned it turned out they were banned because they were causing trouble and being anti-white assholes, not because they were black or whatever else. In short, it was a classic case of projection: they projected their own anti-white racism to JoS.

We support separation of the races, but also allow every other race to develop and advance on their own separately without any harm to any races. In fact, most of the race-baiting designed to cause race-wars is done by the Yehuborim, as you can see in the case of the Soros-funded BLM and Yehuborim "professors" who talk about destroying whiteness.

 

[xlnt]

I've seen some "debunking Joy of Satan" sites/blogs also. Those should be adressed here also I think.
Claims that Al-Jilwah is not Satanic or no proof of any demons, Enki etc. Feels like they have decided beforehand that it's all false and cherrypick the things which sounds most 'out there' in order to ridicule. Not mentioning for example how Christians badtalk yoga and actually call it Satanic, the inquisition by the Catholic Church, the Satanic symbols and kundalini mantras etc. But Christianity though, a Yehubor who showed up once two thousand years ago and walked on water cus he was "God" well that seems legit.

 

[luis]

This is a really good post!

 

[Nimrod33]

Propaganda claim #1: JoS is a cult

I think the main reason why many of the JoS defamers call us "a cult" is because in the actual world SS have yet to become a majority. Yes, there are many cults that have few members, but the JoS absolutely have nothing to share with them.

To make some example:
Jehovah Witnesses: These people are very insane, and yet, JoS defamers will say they are somewhat better than us. I mean, since when JoS has ever stated that you must not celebrate your birthday? I also don't remember any of the High Priests claiming that only a specified number of SS will reach the Magnus Opus and after that, no one else will. None of the member also gets excommunicated from Satan if they express a wrong opinion, something that the Watchtower Organization does.

Scientology: The same kind of people will claim that we are crazier than this scam, just because we share the same belief in aliens. They forget to mention that JoS don't ask you money in order to advance spiritually, you do that with all the material available from the beginning. Also, our doctrines come from Spiritual Satanism, that has been researched for years. Scientologists, on the other hand, takes their beliefs from Thelema and sci-fi books.

Soka Gakkai: This cult is rooted in a japanese school of Buddhism and yet, despite the JoS stating a million of times that Spiritual Satanism predates the distortion of Paganism supposedly founded by Siddharta Gautama, they are willing to associate them with us. Again, we don't recite any mantra to our clergy, like the people in Soka Gakkai do to their founder. Also, we cannot force our non-SS family members to join, since it would be dangerous in most cases.

I would also like to add that all these cults wants your money. Has JoS ever forced us to send them money with treats, like all of these cults do? We also support free speech, but not in the sense that degenerate websites with porn, gore and other filth should exist. I mean, we have some members who disagree, in part, with some of the stuff said by the clergy. As for the people that are not allowed to post, they come here spreading disinfo, regurgitating the usual enemy propaganda that the Rabbis taught them.

All the non-JoS Satanists proved more than a time to be untrustworthy. We have, for example, some Laveyan LARPers who wastes their time thinking that Satanism is "just a philosophy". Or some "Theistic Satanists" who accuses us of stealing from other sources, while conveniently stealing our doctrines, either changing and removing them, while adding dangerous doctrines that are either corrupted or from the enemy. Yes, these same people will even go far by replacing the RTR with the Yehuborim Kabbalah. JoS articles proved more than a time that there is no "redemption" from these rats, who openly admits that they are different than everyone else on this planet, and yet they will still allow them in their groups. Some are even blaspheming Satan by using the enemy depictions of him. All of that leads not to the Magnum Opus, but to self destruction of the soul and return to the enemy programs.

There are some xian websites were i live, that attacked Maxine with unsourced fake news, probably coming from the Yehuborim. They even tried to blame JoS for some human and animal sacrifice made by people who allegedly "followed JoS doctrine", despite the fact that the Home page clearly states: "We DO NOT advocate or participate in any blood or living sacrifice. This act is Judeo/Christian, as stated in their Bible- Deuteronomy 12:27:
"And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh." " Yet, if a xian were to sacrifice something to his God, they would call him "mistaken". It seems that they have to check their facts before stating who is actually a cult.

Speaking of which, if there is anything that can be defined as a cult, i would be both christinsanity and pisslam.

Some of the cultish beliefs of Xianity includes:
- The Pope and the rest of the Catholic Church are somewhat "infallible" and are the only ones who are "right". Anyone who does not hold their opinions is subject to "excommunication"
- If you act wrong, the Catholic Clergy will excommunicate you, meaning your are no longer considered part of their cult and you won't make it in either "Heaven" or "Purgatory"
- They call people of other religions "idolaters" for having representation of their Gods. Yet they have a lot of representation of their mythical characters and "holy relics" (aka bones and other body parts), they bow down to them and even kiss them, while resorting to the usual apology that they "are not worshiping them"
- The believe that paper discs are the "meat of god", yet they all tastes like shit
- They insist that celibacy has "benefits", but they give no physical explanation for it. Instead, they claim its "benefits" are "spiritual"
- They think that Priests are "married to the Church" which is also "married to Jesus" (accidental gay marriage?)
- They believe that virgin women, such as nuns, saints and even the supposed mother of Jesus are part of his Harem
- They mock other people "myths", yet the pantheon of the Catholic Mythology is plagiarized from them or even more absurd (see St. Francis of Paola for example)
- They believe that stigmata (aka scars that "god" inflict upon your body) are a "beautiful miracle". One of their recent Saints, i don't remember the name, was a nun with the eyes that cried blood.
- Another disgusting example of people they worship is St. Margherita Alacocque, a nun who literally "enjoyed" other people's vomit.
- The love scapegoating on "modernism" or "secularism" any scandal that they've attempted to hide and are even willing to use the Persecution complex to play the victim
- They keep denying that they stole most of their doctrine from Paganism, yet they need to resort to Greek Philosophy to "explain their doctrines"
- They also love denying that the title "Queen of Heaven" belonged to Astarte centuries before the slut Mary was even invented. Even their Bible mentions it.
- They claim that "their religion makes you a better person", yet they are always unhappy in basically every historical period in which they lived (even the mostly Christian Middle Ages)
- They promote poverty to their sheeps while constantly asking them money, to the point of even owning a Bank in the Vatican (IOR). They even have TV commercials in Italy in order to convince people to give them their money
- Their highest ranking clergy have rich apartments and other stuffs, yet they act like they are "poor"
- They pathetically attempt to label as part of their cult basically everyone who contributed to something in the years they forced people to identify as xians, without even researching their claims. Some of the examples includes: Dante Alighieri, who was a Gnostic and was initially banned; Leonardo da Vinci, who made a lot a Pagan Art or inspired by it and identified as a Templar; William Shakespeare, who made Pagan-inspired Theaters. They even made false statements to "prove" that the creator of the first PC was a Catholic.
- Their "so perfect doctrines" has been changed in many councils, to the point of causing many schisms. If all the 46 Popes the Church had would be in the same room, i doubt they would agree with each others
- They made up some supposed "prophecies" where their cult would be destroyed by an "Antipope" in order to prevent people from leaving. All Traditionalists and Sedevacantists have cultish attitudes and are unable to agree with each other, even the ones that doesn't have their own Popes.
- The groups that i mentioned above are even obsessed that "god" won't listen your prayers unless you talk to him to "Latin" aka Vulgar "Latin", that should be renamed "A Vulgar Insult to Classical Latin"

The cult of Pisslam is no different. Just by starting with the usual claim that their women "chose" to wear the headscarves and such even outside the Middle East, in order to "protect" themselves, you'll eventually go to pure insanity. What kind of cult would go that far by even claiming that music is Haram? Shia Islam may be smaller and different than Sunni, but their obsession with harming themselves every Ashura is beyond mental sanity.

There is no place in any Healthy Satanic Society for cultural schizophrenia like these two. And neither is for the people behind it. How can sane people who belong to a small minority have to be labeled as "cult" when we don't do anything harmful to us or everything else like these large groups who deserve to be labeled not simply as "cults", but as "death cults".

If anti-JoS groups will keep defining JoS a cult just for being a minority, then they'll have to change their mind when SS will be a majority again. Keep doing the RTR and advancing.

Hail Satan!

 

[MiniMe3388]

Propaganda claim #1: JoS is a cult

The word cult can have lots of meanings. It can mean a religious sect or a strange non-mainstream religion. Obviously I don't deny these meanings can apply to us, since we are "strange" compared to mainstream religions. But those who use it against us usually don't mean that, but they mean a destructive cult.

A destructive cult controls all of a person's life, takes all their money and is hierarchical and usually led by a charismatic leader who exploits and manipulates the other cult members. It cuts that person from his family, threatens to reveal everything to their family if that person tries to leave the cult and often leads them to self-destruction and even suicide.

You can see that a free online site with a free online forum where you can join anonymously and leave whenever you want is impossible to manipulate you. Actual cults gather as much of person's private information as they can so they can blackmail the person if they try to leave. Yet even in the forum here, one of the rules advises against sharing personal info, and if a person tries to post their personal info it gets censored. The entire religion of Spiritual Satanism is based on solitary practice and not meeting with others offline. Here in the forums it's even advised that if you are new you shouldn't meet up with anyone because it's dangerous. So to join Spiritual Satanism, all you have to do i read the JoS website, and start practicing power meditations and other things and do the Dedication ritual if you are ready. All these are practiced in the safety of your home. If you want to leave, you just stop practicing and leave and nobody can really stop you.

Some bring up a counter-argument that even if it doesn't overtly manipulate people, there are many people who get obsessed with SS to the point that they leave their family and get their lives ruined, and this means that they are manipulated just like in the cults somehow. But what obsessive personalities do isn't the responsibility of JoS. Obsessive personalities can get obsessed with everything: video games, porn e.t.c. Are you going to tell me that video games are a cult? If there's any overt manipulation going on that can be identified, then it doesn't prove your point.

Propaganda claim #2: JoS is out for the money

Obviously every organization needs money to keep going. Nothing is run for free. But being "out for the money" means something else: that it's interested in making money above everything else and not for example doing Satan's will or helping people.

Let's start with an easy argument against this: If JoS is only interested in money, where are the ads in the site and forums? I'm using Ublock Origin with most filters enabled, and yet it blocks nothing. Zero ads or trackers. You can load the site on an adblocker and see this for yourself. On the contrary I have seen many site admins who are actually interested in money whine about adblock users.

Add to that the fact that membership is completely free and you don't need to pay anything in order to join, and all the teachings, sermons, meditations, magick and other information you need to practice Spiritual Satanism is on the site, completely free and available for everyone. On the other hand, a fake Satanist here was selling a 40-page book with "prayers and meditations for spiritual warfare" for $11. Also many (fake) Satanic organizations require money to join and make you swear an oath that you won't reveal any of their teachings to everyone. And many times, these very organizations are the ones who accuse JoS just being in for the money.

The only means the JoS ministry has for making money is donations, which is not a very reliable one. It only works if people really like what you are offering, and if you get lots of money in donations it means you are actuallly offering something of value to people and you aren't just in for the money. That is, unless you are a marxist co-founder of BLM who uses the money gathered from donations to buy a home worth $1.4 million while you promise to use this money for social justice and black people. If you support BLM while you accuse JoS of being money-hungry, congratulations: you went full retard.

The subjects that the JoS organization deals with are so fringe, unpopular and controversial that it's impossible to make lots of money promoting them: Satanism, National Socialism, Aliens, anti-semitism, questioning the mainstream narrative (like for example on the Covid scam and the dangerous non-vaccines (actually experimental gene therapies) and wokeness/cultural marxism). All of these are not only unpopular, but censored, so even if you try to promote these things in mainstream internet places they get shut down. Even payment processors and crowdfunding sites ban them. By contrast, if the JoS really was interested in only money, they would drop all the Satan stuff, stop antagonizing christianity and the mainstream narrative, stop attacking the Yehuborim and instead make it something that promises to improve your life and make you lots of money, and in general give you whatever you want regardless of what beliefs you have. You can see this in popular New Age authors and lecturers: what they have in common is they never antagonize christianity (they even use bible verses to show that their teachings are compatible with it), they never exclude anyone and they make it all about your peace and prosperity. Usually all of this is wrapped in feel-good language which tells you what you want to hear instead of the cold, hard truth.

Propaganda claim #3: JoS are "racist" Nazis

Nobody here denies being a National Socialist, but these propagandists make it seem as if we hate all non-whites, not just Yehuborim. This is so easy to refute: There are many non-white members here and there are specific groups for different non-white races. In fact, nobody asks you for your race, unless you are a Yehubor.

In the past, many people claimed to have been banned because they were black or whatever but when questioned it turned out they were banned because they were causing trouble and being anti-white assholes, not because they were black or whatever else. In short, it was a classic case of projection: they projected their own anti-white racism to JoS.

We support separation of the races, but also allow every other race to develop and advance on their own separately without any harm to any races. In fact, most of the race-baiting designed to cause race-wars is done by the Yehuborim, as you can see in the case of the Soros-funded BLM and Yehuborim "professors" who talk about destroying whiteness.

Nice post

 

[Rational Satanist]

I also forgot that i found recently a website that also claims to be Satanist but criticize us, claiming that they are "telling the truth". I won't post it, but i'll answer (in bold) some of its stupid statements:
- They start with an intro in which they praise the JoS for bringing Satanism to their country, but they also state that "we believe everything the site says, expecially political ones".

By the way, I think I know what site you're referring to, and that site is in Italian if I remember correctly. I'm not that good at Italian (I'm still learning) but I can understand a lot of it and I remember someone from the Italian forum said he found it by jewgling "Gioia di Satana" (JoS in Italian) so I did the same to find what BS it was spewing. Frankly wasted 10 minutes of my time in that BS site.

 

[Nimrod33]

I also forgot that i found recently a website that also claims to be Satanist but criticize us, claiming that they are "telling the truth". I won't post it, but i'll answer (in bold) some of its stupid statements:
- They start with an intro in which they praise the JoS for bringing Satanism to their country, but they also state that "we believe everything the site says, expecially political ones".

By the way, I think I know what site you're referring to, and that site is in Italian if I remember correctly. I'm not that good at Italian (I'm still learning) but I can understand a lot of it and I remember someone from the Italian forum said he found it by jewgling "Gioia di Satana" (JoS in Italian) so I did the same to find what BS it was spewing. Frankly wasted 10 minutes of my time in that BS site.

Yes, i was referring to that italian website. It is not the only one who spreads disinfo on JoS in the Italian territory. One was a Catholic website who called JoS the "House of Lies", but nowadays you won't find it anymore on any browser when you search itajos, since it appears it has been deleted. Another Catholic website who attempted to defame the JoS is an anti-Satanism website, whose accusation i mentioned in my previous post in this tread. I checked once again the website, and they've attempted to "prove that we promote degeneracy", they allegedly link us to "satanists" who vandalize graves with our symbols (who may actually be Yehuborim, since they have been caught doing that with swastikas.) Then, they attempt to link us to a "Spiritual Satanist" who was supposedly a "follower of JoS" who killed two girls and himself after a sexual intercourse, in order to "meet Father Satan", despite the fact that JoS discourage suicide and human sacrifice. By the photo they posted of this "SS", he looked like a Yehubor and the article cites that he was also interested in Wicca, something we have always condemned for being New Age bullshit. According to a police officer, "Satan" told them to do so. It seems pretty clear that if he wasn't a Yehubor, he was deceived by the enemy tulpas or the greys, the HPs have always warned against their tactics. Then they quote Salem Burke, forgetting that, when he revealed himself a degenerate, he was kicked out from the JoS two decades ago. For the rest of the article, these xians whines about "muh history revisionism" and "muh Nazis" and later they compare us to a more popular italian "Satanist" cult who also plagiarized part of the JoS doctrines and twisted it by mixing it with enemy stuff, creating blasphemous nonsense. (Funny enough, the founder of that cult has been exposed once as a Yehuborin by our SS). They unironically use the same resource that Antifa "Satanist" websites have used for years, in attempt to "expose" us.

I guess that if someone were to blame Catholics with Protestant crimes, they would get mad and claim that it would be impossible, despite the fact that both Yehuborim Luther and Calvin (aka Cohen) took inspiration from their favorite pedophile-turned-xexophobe Augustine of Hippo, who was likely another Yehubor whom real origins was hidden by the Church.

At least, they were able to prove once again that Hitler was an enemy of their cult, correcting some traditionalists on a "prophecy" about a "Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church" by Pius XII aka Eugenio Pacelli. The letter did not contain any prophecy, the Pope who was then Cardinal was "fearing" that, once Communism would be destroyed, another ideology would take over everything that the Church falsely attributes to themselves (science, philosophy, literature, theaters). He was referring to the Third Reich, not Vatican II, that many deluded TradCucks keep dreaming of cancelling. Their article on this letter also refers to Hitler as the Antichrist, proving once again that we are right.

If there is anything good about these idiotic websites is that they make us publicity. :lol:

 

[HelmOfLight]

I love this quote because it's so true and funny, wiccan is the equivalent of "New Age Feminist LARPing" Hahaha (for the ones that down know) its Live Action Role Playing! Ironically, most people that do LARP consider them selves wiccan.

 

[Godmode]

Good post. I honestly have yet to see any real propaganda threat to JoyOfSatan, it's just cyberattacks and stuff and the occasional person that just thinks it's a joke. The anti-JoS websites are all small and kind of pathetic. I don't know how the Hell someone could really argue against this without accusing us all of personally being evil and that's just ad hominem. I think the best argument against all accusations against the group I have is that I came to Satan before I came to JoS. When I was young, after the JoS was already created but before I knew about it, I started trying to talk to Satan and had dreams about aliens and everything, eventually coming to the conclusion there's a secret religion revolving around a pre-Christian God and that the antichrist is to reveal this. So in that I later found the JoyOfSatan and never saw it as anything but a bunch of like-minded people until I went past the first few pages of the JoS and actually read the whole thing it was just like oh my God, am I in a coma or something? That's MY religion! How could this be a cult if it espouses the same doctrine I was coming up with myself? Not to mention I've never seen the HPs and there's nowhere to go and nobody to pay. I also simply agree with the politics, that's my choice and I can back them up with my own individual interpretations of them as well. The only real argument against us is that we're the bad guys, and well, I know I'm not going to be doing any wrong myself and just have different views, so if people want to talk about meditation and reverse the torah I don't get what the big deal is. The people who have a problem with us are the ones who don't know fuck all about the Yehuborim.

 

[Nimrod33]

Speaking of Anti-JoS propaganda, there is an italian website who hunts down "antisemites" on the web and has made at least four article on the JoS. But in non of them they argument against anything the JoS said against them. All they do is repeating "antisemite!" "conspiracy theorists" "racists" over and over. They are a fun way of entertaining yourself.

 

[Trop5]

Is the Stigmata movie propaganda?