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Pope says priests' abuse of nuns went as far as "sexual slavery"

© TONY GENTILE / REUTERS Pope Francis celebrates a closing mass at the end of the Synod of Bishops at the Vatican

Nuns have suffered and are still suffering sexual abuse at the hands of Catholic priests and bishops, and have even been held as sexual slaves, Pope Francis confirmed on Tuesday. The abuse was so severe in one case that an entire congregation of nuns was dissolved by former Pope Benedict.

The scope of the abuse of nuns by clergy members first came to light with the publication at the beginning of February of the monthly Vatican magazine "Women Church World." The edition included Francis' own take on the scandal -- long known about by the Vatican but virtually never discussed -- in which he blamed the unchecked power wielded by priests and higher clergy across the Catholic Church for such crimes.

Pope Francis weighs in on reports of sexual abuse against nuns

An Associated Press journalist who first reported on the scandal last year asked Pope Francis on his flight home from the Arabian Peninsula on Tuesday whether enough was being done by the Church hierarchy to address the problem.

The pontiff conceded that it was a problem and said more action was needed. He insisted the will to confront the abuse is there, and stressed that the problem is not new, and that the Church has been working to address it for some time.

"It's a path that we've been on. Pope Benedict had the courage to dissolve a female congregation which was at a certain level, because this slavery of women had entered it -- slavery, even to the point of sexual slavery -- on the part of clerics or the founder," the pope conceded.

Alessandro Gisotti, interim director of the Vatican press center, later confirmed to CBS News that the order of nuns dissolved under Benedict was the Community of St. Jean in France. The reason the order was dissolved had not previously been made public.

© Thomson Reuters Director of Holy See Press Office Alessandro Gisotti attends a news conference at the Vatican, January 16, 2019. REUTERS/Max Rossi

The Saint Jean order was dissolved in 2005, the first year Pope Benedict served as the head of the Church. He stepped down and Pope Francis took over as pontiff in 2013.

"I would like to underscore that he was a man who had the courage to do many things on this topic," Pope Francis said of his predecessor on Tuesday.   

The pope confirmed that the abuse of nuns was an ongoing problem, but said it was only in "certain congregations, predominantly new ones and in certain regions more than others."

© Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto Santiago, Chile. 14 January, 2019. In Alonso de Ovalle Street No. 1480, next to the San Ignacio School are the Jesuit religious accused of sexual crimes, the priests condemned by the Vatican Jaime Guzmán, the brother Raúl González and the priest Leonel Ibacache with an ongoing investigation. The former provincial Eugenio Valenzuela is sanctioned for improper conduct and Juan Pablo Cárcamo for abuse of conscience and transgression in the sexual sphere to an adult woman. In well-conditioned rest homes, with interior patio, reading areas, rest and kitchen service live religious accused or investigated for sexual crimes against minors. The main houses of this type are the residence of the Jesuits, in the center of Santiago and the house of the Marist Brothers in the Providencia neighborhood in front of the Apostolic Nunciature. Pope Francis met these days with the Chilean Bishops showing their support what annoyed the victims of sexual abuse, the Scicluna report is still expected to be sent to the Chilean justice so that the investigations can be finalized and the guilty parties formalized in Santiago, Chile. (Photo by Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

While the pontiff did not provide further details on Tuesday, nuns in India and Chile, at least, have previously reported abuse at the hands of priests.

© ASSOCIATED PRESS Nuns walk near St. Peter's Square, in Rome, Friday, Feb. 1, 2019. The Vatican's women's magazine is denouncing the sexual abuse of nuns by priests — and the resulting "scandal" of religious sisters having abortions or giving birth to children who are then not recognised by their fathers. The February issue of "Women Church World," a monthly magazine distributed alongside the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, was published Friday. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia

Francis told reporters on his flight that the Catholic Church, "shouldn't be scandalised by this," adding that "there are steps in a process," and "we are working on it."

The Vatican's new openness in discussing the abuse of nuns comes after years of revelations about clergy abusing children, mostly boys, in their congregations across the globe, and senior clergy members covering up those crimes.

© Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto Santiago, Chile. 14 January, 2019. In Alonso de Ovalle Street No. 1480, next to the San Ignacio School are the Jesuit religious accused of sexual crimes, the priests condemned by the Vatican Jaime Guzmán, the brother Raúl González and the priest Leonel Ibacache with an ongoing investigation. The former provincial Eugenio Valenzuela is sanctioned for improper conduct and Juan Pablo Cárcamo for abuse of conscience and transgression in the sexual sphere to an adult woman. In well-conditioned rest homes, with interior patio, reading areas, rest and kitchen service live religious accused or investigated for sexual crimes against minors. The main houses of this type are the residence of the Jesuits, in the center of Santiago and the house of the Marist Brothers in the Providencia neighborhood in front of the Apostolic Nunciature. Pope Francis met these days with the Chilean Bishops showing their support what annoyed the victims of sexual abuse, the Scicluna report is still expected to be sent to the Chilean justice so that the investigations can be finalized and the guilty parties formalized in Santiago, Chile. (Photo by Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

On his last flight home from an international trip, just last week, Pope Francis warned that expectations for an upcoming landmark Vatican summit on clergy sexual abuse should be "deflated," as the problem was unlikely to be resolved through it.

The pontiff's move to lower expectations was likely a disappointment to many Catholics, particularly in the U.S. where the last year has seen a string of revelations about senior church leaders covering up abuse.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pope-says-priests-abuse-of-nuns-went-as-far-as-sexual-slavery/ar-BBTdz7W

Where was "god" in accounting for this, then?

What do you mean "even to the point of sexual slavery"? Of course it was sexual slavery! That's more or less the entire reason.

"The church shouldn't be scandalised by this."
No. Let's just bow down to you, ignore everything and give you our PIN numbers, instead.

"Expectations that the Yehubor is going to do anything about it should be deflated because the summit wouldn't solve anything"
PMSL. Der! Brexit not happening is this newest xian and church scandal not being dealt with! Drag it the fuck out for as long as kikingly possible and not fix it!!

"Disappointment by catholics"?!
Words fail me...
[insert extremely emphasised and over-the-top emphasis shaking meme here]
wake the fuck up!!
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So one of the "the" popeses apologised on "god's" behalf for the shit done against homosexuals in history and is now accepting non-heterosexuality again (I think there have been times and places in history when and where it was "accepted" and "permissible" for a while), and also now is admitting it knew about sexual abuse and slavery of children and nuns...and is pretending to be interested in doing something about it only now. Oops. You'd better be quick, Yehubor. You don't want too many of your good little Goy sheeple to wake up and help you to lose power. So this "the same yesterday, today and forever" "god" has been...where, defending these victims - preventing it from happening in the first place, exactly?!

"The reason the order was dissolved had not previously been made public."
"Sorry. You've abused one too many boys here. You'll have to be relocated."
"Yay! Praise the jeebus! We have a new priest!"
...
"The priest has been put in jail for abusing boys."
"Meh. I still buleeb in muh jeebus."
In other words -

Walter: Dumbarse!

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At least 301 Predator Priests
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More Skeletons in Their Closet.
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All the while,
Biblical Literacy Bill Being Pushed In 6 States
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"I still have faith in muh jeebus despite these things!"
"WE LOVE IT HERE!"
Wake the fuck up or fuck off and die.
It has been said that many will want to join us in the end, but it will be too late...

 

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Pope defrocks ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick over abuse claims

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/16/pope-defrocks-ex-cardinal-theodore-mccarrick-over-abuse-claims

 

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How will Pope Francis deal with abuse in the Catholic Church?

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In an effort to deal with the sex scandals rocking the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope has convened an extraordinary summit of bishops in Rome.

This follows his recent, unprompted, admission that priests had exploited nuns as "sex slaves" at a convent in France.

Pope Francis decided to call this global conference after discussions with the so-called C9. This is the group of nine cardinal advisers who were appointed soon after Francis was elected.

The Pope is under serious pressure to provide leadership and generate workable solutions to what is the most pressing crisis facing the modern Church.

Stories of abuse have emerged in every corner of the world. And the Church has been accused of covering up crimes committed by priests, leaving its moral authority in tatters.

Pope Francis must also confront the assumptions, attitudes and practices that have allowed a culture of abuse to flourish. The extent of this challenge may prove overwhelming.

Jason Berry
Journalist Jason Berry was one of the first people to expose the extent of abuse in the Church

The summit, to be attended by the heads of all national bishops' conferences from more than 130 countries, is only the beginning of an attempt to address a sickness that has been poisoning the Church since at least the 1980s.

When Jason Berry, a local newspaper reporter in the US state of Louisiana, began following the story of an abusive priest called Father Gilbert Gauthe, he did not expect his work to ignite an international scandal that is still ablaze more than 30 years later.

Mr Berry's work led to the 1992 book Lead Us Not Into Temptation, based on civil legal actions that the Church settled with multiple accusers towards the end of the 1980s.

In 2002, Mr Berry's work was followed by an investigation at the Boston Globe newspaper that provided an even more extensive narrative of clergy abuse and cover-up. The journalists won a prestigious Pulitzer Prize and their work was dramatised in the film Spotlight.

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The work of the Boston Globe's Michael Rezendes, (left), Walter V Robinson, and Sacha Pfeiffer (right) led to the Academy Award-winning film Spotlight

The scandals kept coming.

Consider six of the eight Roman Catholic dioceses in the state of Pennsylvania, which were the subject of scrutiny last year.

The State Attorney, Josh Shapiro, subpoenaed and reviewed half a million internal diocesan documents. Dozens of witnesses gave evidence, some clergy admitted to their offences. Mr Shapiro's report, published in December, was devastating.

"Over 1,000 child victims were identifiable from the Church's own records," he wrote, with "credible allegations against over 300 predator priests".

The report, which is more than 1,000 pages long, covers the past 70 years - and the examples are horrific.

In the diocese of Scranton, a priest raped a girl and when she became pregnant arranged for an abortion. The priest's line manager, his area bishop, wrote a letter.

"This is a very difficult time in your life and I realise how upset you are," he wrote. "I too share your grief."

The letter was not addressed to the girl, but the priest.

In another diocese, a priest visited a seven-year-old girl in hospital after she had undergone a tonsillectomy - and raped her.

In another, a priest abused a nine-year-old and then rinsed out the boy's mouth with holy water "to purify him".

The report concluded that predatory paedophiles had been able to abuse children because the Church hid their activities by moving accused clerics on to other parishes and not reporting their offences to the police.

Rape claims

The Rt Rev Franco Mulakkal had risen from small-town Kerala, on India's south-west coast, to become a bishop in the north of the country.

He was arrested in September 2018, following allegations from a nun that he regularly visited her convent in order to rape her. The bishop, who has temporarily stood down from ministry, has denied all the charges, telling reporters the accusations are "baseless and concocted".

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Catholic nuns in Kerala, India, are calling for the arrest of the Rt Rev Franco Mulakkal, of Jalandhar, for alleged rape

In a letter, written by the nun to her superiors, she claimed the first rape had happened in May 2014 and the last in September 2016.

In January, the nuns appealed to the chief minister of Kerala to intervene on their behalf, after Church officials allegedly ordered them to leave the state, in an effort to clean up the mess.

Nuns have complained that they are exploited because they are often reliant upon priests and bishops for their accommodation and fear abandonment if they fight back against abusive clergy.

In Malawi, where HIV prevalence among adults up to the age of 64 is more than 10%, nuns are also alleged to have been targeted because they are regarded as "pure" and much less likely to be carrying the virus.

'Never again' pledge

In 2012, the Australian government announced a Royal Commission, which was charged with investigating institutional responses to child abuse. The organisations involved included residential care centres for young people, schools, sports, arts and other community groups, and the Church.

The commission concluded that 7% of Australia's Roman Catholic priests had allegedly abused children between 1950 and 2010.

In one religious order, the St John of God Brothers, 40% of its leaders were accused of abusing children.

Chrissie Foster, the mother of two children who were abused by priests in Melbourne, complained to the authorities. She told BBC News that instead of addressing her concerns, the family became the subject of a whispering campaign.

"They said that we were liars, that we were after money," she said.

"That's what they would say to parishioners. And parishioners would believe [it] because who would believe that a priest would rape a child? It was much easier to believe that lie than the truth that priests were sexually abusing children."

In August 2018, the Roman Catholic Church in Australia published its formal response to the Royal Commission.

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Chrissie Foster is the mother of two children who were abused by priests in Melbourne, Australia

Archbishop the Most Reverend Mark Coleridge, president of the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference, said that "far too many" clergy, religious and lay people within the Church in Australia had "failed in their duty to protect and honour the dignity of all including and especially the most vulnerable, our children and our young people".

"With one voice, the bishops and the leaders of religious orders here this morning make the pledge, 'Never again,'" he said.

'Appalling abuse'

Last summer, Britain's Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse published a report on two of the most prestigious Roman Catholic schools in the UK: Ampleforth College, in North Yorkshire, and Downside School, in Somerset.

According to the report, the schools "prioritised the monks and their own reputations over the protection of children" and "appalling abuse was inflicted over decades on children as young as seven at Ampleforth and 11 at Downside".

The inquiry heard witness testimony from those who were forced into sexual acts, sometimes in the presence of fellow pupils.

In conclusion, the report found that "many perpetrators did not hide their sexual interests from the children".

"The blatant openness of these activities demonstrates there was a culture of acceptance of abusive behaviour," it said.

Following publication, Ampleforth said the "abbey and college wishes to repeat their heartfelt apology to all victims and survivors of abuse".

Downside expressed similar regret, saying: "The abbey and school fully acknowledges the serious failings and mistakes made in both protecting those within our care and responding to safeguarding concerns."

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Downside Abbey and school apologised for failing its pupils

For an organisation that numbers more than 1.2 billion adherents and is present in virtually every country on Earth, the focus is now firmly fixed on Pope Francis.

When he was elected, in March 2013, the Pope was fully aware of the impact of clerical abuse scandals on the Church.

Within a year, in July 2014, he met six victims from three countries - two people each from Ireland, Britain and Germany. At a private Mass, with the six victims among the congregation, he offered an explicit apology.

"Before God and his people, I express my sorrow for the sins and grave crimes of clerical sexual abuse committed against you," Pope Francis said during his homily, published later by the Vatican.

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A demonstration near the Vatican in support of the victims of paedophile priests

"And I humbly ask forgiveness. I beg your forgiveness, too, for the sins of omission on the part of Church leaders who did not respond adequately to reports of abuse made by family members, as well as by abuse victims themselves."

Soon after, Pope Francis added eight new members to the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, from Africa, Oceania, Asia, and South America. But this body was soon hit by defections. The only two individuals on the commission who'd been victims of abuse, Marie Collins and Peter Saunders, resigned.

Marie Collins, who was molested by a priest when she was 13, wrote a letter saying that while the Pope may have wanted to address clerical abuse, the Vatican's bureaucracy kept obstructing proposals for change.

After the commission made a recommendation that all correspondence from victims and survivors should receive a response, she discovered that none had received replies.

"I find it impossible to listen to public statements about the deep concern in the Church for the care of those whose lives have been blighted by abuse," she wrote, "yet to watch privately as a congregation in the Vatican refuses to even acknowledge their letters."

She concluded with these words: "It is a reflection of how this whole abuse crisis in the Church has been handled: with fine words in public and contrary actions behind closed doors."

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Clerical abuse survivor Marie Collins resigned from the Church's commission for the protection of minors

Pope Francis has decided to open the doors, convening an unprecedented summit to address the issue. But he's already tried to reduce expectations by warning the media, during the flight back to Rome from the United Arab Emirates, that a three-day conference represents only the beginning of a conversation.

Others have argued that he should simply issue an edict for the Church to follow. But implementing universal protocols is challenging because the Church exists in a range of cultures and judicial systems.

It's hard to imagine a more pressing challenge for the 82-year-old pontiff. His pontificate began with widespread enthusiasm for a man who chose pastoral appeal over pomp and ceremony, humility and compassion over the trappings of status.

But how it ends is likely to depend on the action he takes, and the protocols he implements, to deal with the scourge of abuse.

If you have been affected by any of the issues regarding sexual abuse raised in this article, help and support are available. Find out more at BBC Action Line.

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One day when they learn of the truth, one would hope that they would realise that all of xianity should be destroyed, rather than keeping it and wanting justice for victims. They are merely pruning the weeds, rather than de-weeding the garden.

 

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Gay Priests, Secret Rules and the Abuse of Nuns: Some of the Vatican Controversies as Bishops Meet

A series of scandals will be looming large in the eyes of church leaders and Vatican watchers alike when a highly anticipated conference on child abuse in the Roman Catholic Church begins on Thursday.

The meeting was called to address decades of abuse disclosures that have rattled the church, eroded trust in its leadership and driven away some of the faithful.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gay-priests-secret-rules-and-the-abuse-of-nuns-some-of-the-vatican-controversies-as-bishops-meet/ar-BBTUF7t



French bishops agree to compensation for sex abuse victims

PARIS (AP) — Still struggling to come to terms with their share of responsibility in the clerical sex abuse scandal rocking the Catholic Church, France's bishops have agreed to award financial compensation to victims whose cases fall outside of France's statute of limitations.

"We have agreed in principle to make a financial gesture," Vincent Neymon, head of communications for the French bishops'conference, told The Associated Press in an interview this week. He said he hoped to have a system for paying victims in place in less than a year.

France has not been immune to the scandal that has prompted a credibility crisis for the Catholic hierarchy, and that is the topic of a summit at the Vatican this week on preventing sex abuse and prosecuting pedophile priests.

https://news.yahoo.com/french-bishops-agree-compensation-sex-abuse-victims-072446507.html



Victims testify at child sex abuse conference

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis promised that concrete action against child sexual abuse by priests would result from a conference he opened on Thursday, with one cardinal acknowledging that the Church had to fight "the enemy within".

https://news.yahoo.com/victims-testify-child-sex-abuse-conference-105340361.html

"The enemy within"? Well, the devil is in the details!! Then the dirty bitch pope had the audacity to claim "the debull is wooening ouwer chuwch and powerfoow slave-wape of Huwmanity!".



Sex abuse summit in Vatican comes amid growing number of investigations of Catholic priests in the US

The meeting of Catholic leadership in the Vatican to address clerical sex abuse comes amid a busy and controversial time for the church within the United States.

There are now at least 17 states or cities that have open investigations into their respective local dioceses, and a number of states and cities have released lists of priests and church volunteers that they have found to have credible accusations of sexual abuse or misconduct against them.

"People are asking 'where is the leadership? What have the people who are supposed to be the overseers of this community done or not done?'" said Fr. Mark M. Morozowich, the dean of the School of Theology and Religious Studies at The Catholic University of America.

https://news.yahoo.com/sex-abuse-summit-vatican-comes-amid-growing-number-025009219--abc-news-topstories.html

"Where is the leadership? The overseers?"?! I am asking those bleating sheep - Where is your "god" now? Where has it been forever?! Why didn't it prevent these things from happening? The enemy within sayeth the current "the" pope. The existence of that...establishment...is the devil itself.

Pope asks followers to pray because the devil is attacking the curch
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Pope wants rosary prayed, all October, to protect Church from devil’s ‘turbulence’
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Pope Blames the Devil for Sex Abuse... :roll:
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Catholics admit that the defeat of their ''omnipotent'' God is possible
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The church is doing that to itself, itself!

The Pope says The Devil 'is more intelligent than mortals' and should never be argued with because he'll always win
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OK... So... Where's your "god", then?! For crying out aloud, answer me, "god" paradise it! Not to mention that we are "little Satans" or "little Devils", so that means we are cleverererer than the dirty poojew! Well, I consider it very wise to use our Gods-given abilities!!

 

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Cardinal George Pell Is Found Guilty of Sexual Assault

(Provided by: ABC News)

MELBOURNE, Australia—The most senior Vatican official to ever stand trial on child sex-abuse charges was found guilty of assaulting two choirboys at a church in his former diocese, though a second trial won’t occur after prosecutors dropped the case on Tuesday.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/cardinal-george-pell-is-found-guilty-of-sexual-assault/ar-BBU4Nbc

Yes, my mother told me that they've found hundreds of skeletons belonging to children close to Vatican - through some subterranean passage? Since then she's been hating the Pope - quite a few people dislike priests around here.

To think that they'd be able to do such things to babies...

And people still worship him.

worship it*

See my resurrected (hehe) Images that Describe xianity Honestly thread. On there there are a couple of pictures showing bones being used as decoration/foundation and a throne to sit on... There have also been posts/articles where remains of many Children have been discovered in a nunnery place thing, as well, in Ireland.


More Skeletons in Their Closet.
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The end of the church
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New accusation of sex abuse against Chile's Catholic church

SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) — Chile's Roman Catholic church, already the target of Vatican sanctions, was being shaken on Tuesday by yet another allegation of priestly abuse and high-level cover-up.

Daniel Rojas Alvarez, a 43-year-old indigent man, appeared on a state television broadcast on Monday night saying that a priest at the Santiago Cathedral had drugged and raped him in 2015. He said Cardinal Ricardo Ezzati had given him money when told of the attack and told him not to report it.

https://news.yahoo.com/accusation-sex-abuse-against-chiles-catholic-church-203535757.html

 

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101 of Mexico's 152 church sex abuse cases being prosecuted

MEXICO CITY (AP) — The head of the Mexican bishops' conference says 101 of the 157 cases in which Roman Catholic priests have been implicated in sex abuse have been turned over to prosecutors.

The bishops' council previously said 152 priests had been removed from the ministry over the last nine years for sex abuse offenses against "youths or vulnerable adults".

https://news.yahoo.com/101-mexicos-152-church-sex-abuse-cases-being-000313611.html

 

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French court to rule on cardinal accused of sex abuse cover-up

The court in Lyon tried the 68-year-old archbishop Barbarin and five former aides at a time when the church has been hit by abuse scandals worldwide (AFP Photo/JEFF PACHOUD)

Lyon (AFP) - A French court on Thursday will deliver its verdict in the case of Cardinal Philippe Barbarin, accused of covering up sexual abuse of minors by one of his priests.

The 68-year-old archbishop and five former aides went on trial in Lyon at a time when the Catholic Church has been hit by abuse scandals in countries as far afield as Australia, Brazil, Chile and the United States.

The outcome of the trial, which began in January, has been long awaited in France where Barbarin is the highest-profile Catholic cleric to be caught up in a paedophile scandal.

https://news.yahoo.com/french-court-rule-cardinal-accused-sex-abuse-cover-143131594.html

 

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Church leaders charged with using homeless people as forced labour

Feds arrest church leaders for using homeless as panhandling slaves
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7450861/Feds-arrest-California-church-leaders-using-homeless-people-panhandling-slaves.html

Leaders of California ministry charged with forced labor
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/11/leaders-of-california-ministry-charged-with-forced

Leaders of California ministry charged with forced labor
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/leaders-california-ministry-charged-forced-labor-65528415

Church leaders charged with using homeless people as forced labor
https://www.foxnews.com/us/church-leaders-charged-forced-labor-conspiracy-homeless

 

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Boy, 7, ‘beaten to death at boarding school for taking too long on toilet’

At the time teachers said Aldo Moroni had died from a heart attack, a former student has claimed

A seven-year-old boy died after a teacher at a prestigious Catholic school gave him a ‘vicious’ beating, an inquiry into historic child abuse has heard. Aldo Moroni was allegedly battered to death in 1980 by Brother Germanus – real name David Mckell – because he spent too long on the toilet. One former pupil of St Columba’s College, using the name Edward, claims McKell sexually abused him on a number of occasions in the 1960s. In 2014 his nephew told him of Aldo’s death at the school in Largs, Ayrshire, adding: ‘It haunts me to this day’.

Edward said he was left ‘dumbfounded’ after his relative claimed students were told the boy had died of a heart attack.

A witness says he saw ‘screaming and holy murder going on’ outside the toilets

He told the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry how his nephew witnessed ‘screaming and holy murder going on’ while standing by the landing outside the toilets. Edward, 64, added: ‘It got worse, and the next thing we [the nephew and classmates] knew, there’s an ambulance there, and the next thing we knew we are at a funeral in Dunoon – Aldo was dead’. He says he feels guilty of ‘cowardice’ for not speaking out after McKell sexually abused him and wonders if he could have stopped Aldo from being killed. As an adult in 2014, Edward eventually opened up about his suffering to the Marist Brothers, who ran the reputable boarding school. He says they urged him not to go to the police with the claims, because the order would do it on his behalf, reports MailOnline. But he said he later discovered police were never contacted.

Edward wishes he spoke out about the abuse he suffered and asked if it could have saved Aldo

This was despite a brother called Ronnie McEwan telling Edward McKell had also abused another boy 10 years younger than him. Edward says he was seven or eight when McKell sexually abused him on ‘two dozen occasions’. He attempted to run away at around 1964 or 1965 because of the ‘absolute fear and horror’ he was made to feel by McKell, who died in 1998.

Edward says the member of staff would take him from his bed ‘in the dead of night’ and made him take part in a strange ritual in which he had to climb to retrieve a black leather bag from a loft. McKell would would then tell him he was dirty and order him to remove his pyjamas and get ready for a bath before sexually abusing him.

Edward claims ‘you would get an extra slap for crying’ and says the trauma he went through left him ‘zombified’ and unable to speak. He says the barefoot religious brother would hit his head so hard it would give him nosebleeds before taking him back to bed and tucking him in. Edward says McKell broke the news that his brother had died in 1965, saying: ‘Your brother had gone to heaven.’ Appearing to use this as leverage, McKell told him: ‘If you ever utter a word of our little secret, you will never see him again’. The inquiry continues.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/09/boy-7-beaten-death-boarding-school-taking-long-toilet-10886426

 

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Pope says priests' abuse of nuns went as far as "sexual slavery"

© TONY GENTILE / REUTERS Pope Francis celebrates a closing mass at the end of the Synod of Bishops at the Vatican

Nuns have suffered and are still suffering sexual abuse at the hands of Catholic priests and bishops, and have even been held as sexual slaves, Pope Francis confirmed on Tuesday. The abuse was so severe in one case that an entire congregation of nuns was dissolved by former Pope Benedict.

The scope of the abuse of nuns by clergy members first came to light with the publication at the beginning of February of the monthly Vatican magazine "Women Church World." The edition included Francis' own take on the scandal -- long known about by the Vatican but virtually never discussed -- in which he blamed the unchecked power wielded by priests and higher clergy across the Catholic Church for such crimes.

Pope Francis weighs in on reports of sexual abuse against nuns

An Associated Press journalist who first reported on the scandal last year asked Pope Francis on his flight home from the Arabian Peninsula on Tuesday whether enough was being done by the Church hierarchy to address the problem.

The pontiff conceded that it was a problem and said more action was needed. He insisted the will to confront the abuse is there, and stressed that the problem is not new, and that the Church has been working to address it for some time.

"It's a path that we've been on. Pope Benedict had the courage to dissolve a female congregation which was at a certain level, because this slavery of women had entered it -- slavery, even to the point of sexual slavery -- on the part of clerics or the founder," the pope conceded.

Alessandro Gisotti, interim director of the Vatican press center, later confirmed to CBS News that the order of nuns dissolved under Benedict was the Community of St. Jean in France. The reason the order was dissolved had not previously been made public.

© Thomson Reuters Director of Holy See Press Office Alessandro Gisotti attends a news conference at the Vatican, January 16, 2019. REUTERS/Max Rossi

The Saint Jean order was dissolved in 2005, the first year Pope Benedict served as the head of the Church. He stepped down and Pope Francis took over as pontiff in 2013.

"I would like to underscore that he was a man who had the courage to do many things on this topic," Pope Francis said of his predecessor on Tuesday.   

The pope confirmed that the abuse of nuns was an ongoing problem, but said it was only in "certain congregations, predominantly new ones and in certain regions more than others."

© Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto Santiago, Chile. 14 January, 2019. In Alonso de Ovalle Street No. 1480, next to the San Ignacio School are the Jesuit religious accused of sexual crimes, the priests condemned by the Vatican Jaime Guzmán, the brother Raúl González and the priest Leonel Ibacache with an ongoing investigation. The former provincial Eugenio Valenzuela is sanctioned for improper conduct and Juan Pablo Cárcamo for abuse of conscience and transgression in the sexual sphere to an adult woman. In well-conditioned rest homes, with interior patio, reading areas, rest and kitchen service live religious accused or investigated for sexual crimes against minors. The main houses of this type are the residence of the Jesuits, in the center of Santiago and the house of the Marist Brothers in the Providencia neighborhood in front of the Apostolic Nunciature. Pope Francis met these days with the Chilean Bishops showing their support what annoyed the victims of sexual abuse, the Scicluna report is still expected to be sent to the Chilean justice so that the investigations can be finalized and the guilty parties formalized in Santiago, Chile. (Photo by Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

While the pontiff did not provide further details on Tuesday, nuns in India and Chile, at least, have previously reported abuse at the hands of priests.

© ASSOCIATED PRESS Nuns walk near St. Peter's Square, in Rome, Friday, Feb. 1, 2019. The Vatican's women's magazine is denouncing the sexual abuse of nuns by priests — and the resulting "scandal" of religious sisters having abortions or giving birth to children who are then not recognised by their fathers. The February issue of "Women Church World," a monthly magazine distributed alongside the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, was published Friday. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia

Francis told reporters on his flight that the Catholic Church, "shouldn't be scandalised by this," adding that "there are steps in a process," and "we are working on it."

The Vatican's new openness in discussing the abuse of nuns comes after years of revelations about clergy abusing children, mostly boys, in their congregations across the globe, and senior clergy members covering up those crimes.

© Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto Santiago, Chile. 14 January, 2019. In Alonso de Ovalle Street No. 1480, next to the San Ignacio School are the Jesuit religious accused of sexual crimes, the priests condemned by the Vatican Jaime Guzmán, the brother Raúl González and the priest Leonel Ibacache with an ongoing investigation. The former provincial Eugenio Valenzuela is sanctioned for improper conduct and Juan Pablo Cárcamo for abuse of conscience and transgression in the sexual sphere to an adult woman. In well-conditioned rest homes, with interior patio, reading areas, rest and kitchen service live religious accused or investigated for sexual crimes against minors. The main houses of this type are the residence of the Jesuits, in the center of Santiago and the house of the Marist Brothers in the Providencia neighborhood in front of the Apostolic Nunciature. Pope Francis met these days with the Chilean Bishops showing their support what annoyed the victims of sexual abuse, the Scicluna report is still expected to be sent to the Chilean justice so that the investigations can be finalized and the guilty parties formalized in Santiago, Chile. (Photo by Fernando Lavoz/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

On his last flight home from an international trip, just last week, Pope Francis warned that expectations for an upcoming landmark Vatican summit on clergy sexual abuse should be "deflated," as the problem was unlikely to be resolved through it.

The pontiff's move to lower expectations was likely a disappointment to many Catholics, particularly in the U.S. where the last year has seen a string of revelations about senior church leaders covering up abuse.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pope-says-priests-abuse-of-nuns-went-as-far-as-sexual-slavery/ar-BBTdz7W

Where was "god" in accounting for this, then?

What do you mean "even to the point of sexual slavery"? Of course it was sexual slavery! That's more or less the entire reason.

"The church shouldn't be scandalised by this."
No. Let's just bow down to you, ignore everything and give you our PIN numbers, instead.

"Expectations that the Yehubor is going to do anything about it should be deflated because the summit wouldn't solve anything"
PMSL. Der! Brexit not happening is this newest xian and church scandal not being dealt with! Drag it the fuck out for as long as kikingly possible and not fix it!!

"Disappointment by catholics"?!
Words fail me...
[insert extremely emphasised and over-the-top emphasis shaking meme here]
wake the fuck up!!
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So one of the "the" popeses apologised on "god's" behalf for the shit done against homosexuals in history and is now accepting non-heterosexuality again (I think there have been times and places in history when and where it was "accepted" and "permissible" for a while), and also now is admitting it knew about sexual abuse and slavery of children and nuns...and is pretending to be interested in doing something about it only now. Oops. You'd better be quick, Yehubor. You don't want too many of your good little Goy sheeple to wake up and help you to lose power. So this "the same yesterday, today and forever" "god" has been...where, defending these victims - preventing it from happening in the first place, exactly?!

"The reason the order was dissolved had not previously been made public."
"Sorry. You've abused one too many boys here. You'll have to be relocated."
"Yay! Praise the jeebus! We have a new priest!"
...
"The priest has been put in jail for abusing boys."
"Meh. I still buleeb in muh jeebus."
In other words -

Walter: Dumbarse!

Images that describe xianity honestly
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=324

Ultimate Evil: Orthodox Christianity (Must Read)
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5316

Tuam Over 700 Children Killed By The Catholic Church
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=775

At least 301 Predator Priests
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12161

More Skeletons in Their Closet.
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=12819

All the while,
Biblical Literacy Bill Being Pushed In 6 States
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17161

"I still have faith in muh jeebus despite these things!"
"WE LOVE IT HERE!"
Wake the fuck up or fuck off and die.
It has been said that many will want to join us in the end, but it will be too late...

Excellent posts Fancy. Bravo. Excellente.

FancyMan. ") I picture you like a french man all dressed up.

 

[FancyMancy]

Excellent posts Fancy. Bravo. Excellente.

FancyMan. ") I picture you like a french man all dressed up.

Oh, monsieur. You flatter me so. Don't stop!

 

[FancyMancy]

'It was painful but beyond my control' Nun tells abuse inquiry splitting siblings at children's homes was 'norm in those days'
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9021

 

[FancyMancy]

Leaving a Cult: Former Members Reveal Inner Workings of Church Whose Members Attacked 2 Teens
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9361

 

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A 'moral failing': Report finds child sexual abuse prevalent in institutions across major UK religions

© PA Abuse was found across all major UK religions

Child sexual abuse is prevalent in faith institutions across most major religions in the UK, with a report accusing these organisations of "blatant hypocrisy" and "moral failings".

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) found "shocking" failings across a number of organisations, and cases of abuse perpetrated by religious followers.

Between early 2015 and January 2020, of all known institutions where abuse had taken place, 11% (443 instances) were committed within a religious organisation or setting.

Ten percent of suspects (726 people) were employed by - or somehow linked to - a religious organisation or setting.

However, there is likely to be "significant" under-reporting, the IICSA said, adding: "There is no way of knowing the true scale of such abuse."

In one instance, four children were sexually abused when they were approximately nine years old whilst being taught the Quran by a teacher in a mosque. In 2017, the perpetrator was convicted and sentenced to 13 years in jail.

Another 10-year-old girl was abused by a church volunteer, but when her mother disclosed this to the police, the church minister said the abuser was "valued" and must be considered "innocent until proven guilty". It was later discovered the abuser had been dismissed from a police force following charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.

© Reuters The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) found "shocking" failings

One young boy was abused by a Sunday school activity leader during religious camps shortly after his mother died. The seven-year-old was told not to tell anyone because "no one in the church would believe him".

Professor Alexis Jay, chair of the inquiry, said: "Religious organisations are defined by their moral purpose of teaching right from wrong and protection of the innocent and the vulnerable.

"However, when we heard about shocking failures to prevent and respond to child sexual abuse across almost all major religions, it became clear many are operating in direct conflict with this mission.

"Blaming the victims, fears of reputational damage and discouraging external reporting are some of the barriers victims and survivors face, as well as clear indicators of religious organisations prioritising their own reputations above all else. For many, these barriers have been too difficult to overcome."

Barriers to reporting abuse included victim-blaming, an absence of discussions about sex and sexuality, the discouragement of external reporting, and prioritising the organisation's reputation above the needs of victims.

The report recommended all religious organisations have a child protection policy and support procedures. It said the government should legislate to amend the definition of full-time education to bring any setting that is the pupil's primary place of education within the scope of a registered school.

This would provide Ofsted with sufficient powers to examine the quality of child protection when undertaking an inspection of suspected unregistered schools.

Currently, an estimated quarter of a million children in England and Wales receive "supplementary schooling" from a faith organisation.

© PA The inquiry looked at 38 organisations across England and Wales

There is also no central list or register of faith-based organisations in England and Wales, despite the Charity Commission estimating that there are over 34,000 organisations.

Richard Scorer, specialist abuse lawyer at Slater & Gordon who acts for seven victim and survivor groups in the inquiry, including those representing Yehuborim, South Asian and Jehovahs Witnesses' survivors, said: "Today's report confirms that some religious groups have catastrophically failed to protect children in their care and that many have patchy or non-existent safeguarding policies and support for victims and survivors of abuse.

"This is simply unacceptable.

"It is clear from the report that too many religious organisations continue to prioritise the protection, reputation and authority of religious leaders above the rights of children."

It comes as abuse victims told Sky News there was a culture within the Jehovah's Witnesses that fails those looking for help and puts others at risk.

The IICSA examined evidence from 38 religious organisations with a presence in England and Wales - including Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism, Christianity, and new religious movements, such as Scientology, among others.

It sought evidence from individuals that represented the majority of those with religious affiliations within England and Wales, of which 59% of the population identifies as Christian, 25% of no religion, 5% Muslim, 4% other - including Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Buddhism - and 7% not stated.

The report was based on 16 days of public hearings held during March, May and August last year.

The final report with findings from all 19 sections of the investigation, launched in 2014, will be laid before Parliament next summer.


SELECTED COMMENTS

Joe Bloggs
Religion , the root of all trouble in the world

Steve Stoves
Religion isn't about the worship of any god, it's about the few controlling the many, usually through fear.

John Beatson
after Rotherham & Rochdale Westminster & Whitehall has really proves they're not bothered about our children
- Jon Franks
Too frightened of Ethnics thats why who regard us as something to be used and abused.
- Donald Morgan
Of course not all they think of and consider is how to pass on more money to the super rich, including themselves.
- Tom Slater
@Jon Franks
If that's the case why are they just as bad with Catholic churches. Don't bring race in to this, evil spans all races.
- andrew wall
Very true children's welfare/safety are of no concern to them at all.
- Jon Franks
@Tom Slater
Its not race Its Fact. Gro oming gan gs are everywhere or havent you heard?
- Trish McGreen
worst thing is sheffield cs knew about
- Trish McGreen
@Trish McGreen
it and did nothing
- Trish McGreen
@andrew wall
the indigenous means nothing to them
- Spikey Son
@Jon Franks
yes grooming gangs may be but tthey may be of various nationalities and others abuse in other ways. its still all abuse and not simply a my groups saints others sinners
- Spikey Son
@Trish McGreen
The term indigenous means nothing to most decent and smart people who prefer merit

graeme mclaughlin
I'm sure Sky news choice of photo here doesn't follow the community guidelines and is deeply offensive to Christians, myself included. It would be wrong and offensive to post a photo of the Koran under this kind of headline so why the Holy Bible?


No religion is responsible for the bad that happens in the world, people are, and it would still occur with or without religion sadly.
- Donald Morgan
Why not become become a human being.
- unable torespond
Both works of fiction? So what does it matter?
- Murphy David
Totally agree.
A copy of all should be posted.
Personally though, I find it hard to be offended by something that is not a personally offensive gesture. I;E If it is regarding a belief of mine, that's fine, because it is nothing more than a belief.
- Graham Kendall
I don't understand. A copy of the Qur'an is clearly posted on this article.
- graeme mclaughlin
@Graham Kendall
initially the article contained only a photo of the Holy Bible, it wasn't until later they decided to offend even more people and post a photo of the Koran.
- Ernest Tuff
It is offensive to me and every other Christian, to put a photo of the Holy Scriptures as if that was the cause of these offences! The cause of these horrible actions and immorality done by people comes from within themselves “SIN”. So do not blame the Bible for it. To the contrary, the Bible condemns such immoral acts.
- Tom Slater
The things people are offended by these days, how can a picture of a bible offend you? Do you need a safe space from the deeply offensive picture?
- graeme mclaughlin
@Murphy David
No copies of any religious books should be posted under this headline.
- J C
Interesting that the thing that caused offence is a picture, rather than the acts.
- Edward Penny
A picture of the Bible does not offend my but the actions of people who tell me that the Bible is the inspired word of God yet commtted offences against children
- Paul Rand
It's offensive to me that this weak-will nonsense is still tolerated.
- Stephen Kingdom
Graeme, you should have scrolled down a little rather than just looking at the top of the page (how much of the article did you actually read?). Just a couple of inches further down is a picture of the Qur'an.

Throughout history, right up to the present day, religions have fought wars against each other and used their own versions of "good" and "right" to justify the subjugation, exploitation, terrorising, suffering and killing of those they see as non-believers. Far from not being responsible for the bad things that happen in the world, religions are, in fact, one of the prime movers of the bad things that happen in the world. Religions are incapable of being tolerant of those they see as non-believers because they posit that their own beliefs are divine, the word of God, absolute in their truth etc. etc.. It follows, by definition, that they have to see all other religions as having got it wrong.

You say you find the photo of the Bible in the article deeply offensive. Personally, I find religions and the behaviour and bigotry of their followers deeply offensive.
- Digital TV GB
@Ernest Tuff
Even now the Church allows abuse because it dithers trying to avoid reputational damage. The Catholic Church Insisting on celibacy only makes it worse.
- richlittle_ poorkid
I agree totally! Man tries to discredit the Bible more than any other book because it says things in it like ' All men have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God' (Romans 3 v - 23) - people don't like comments like that.
- Pete Dixon
There would be an eruption of extreme violence if a picture as you suggested, was used. There is minimum tolerance in that section of our society
- Trish McGreen
our main stream media will only focus on that
- Spikey Son
@graeme mclaughlin
Why offensive when true?. Want to read that there book of ors as its reads just like the islamic state and taliban especially duteronomy, leviticus etc
- Spikey Son
@Ernest Tuff
The bibles does not condemn immorality it enforces it and says to do it... READ IT. deuteronomy and leviticus and other books
- Spikey Son
@Ernest Tuff
Ernest Tuff
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

That's condoning immoral acts and ordering them
- Spikey Son
@Ernest Tuff
Ernest Tuff You mentioned the scriptures being holy , not to blame your book and said your book condemns sin and immoral acts . Clealy Ernest has not read it.


Here are some quotes

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

(Exodus 22:17 NAB)

(Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
- Spikey Son
the photos is accurate . read the book especially leviticus and deuteronomy
- Spikey Son
@graeme mclaughlin
Why not? considering their treatment of others like girls or non BoyG types

Donald Morgan
What else would anyone expect. Religion and Politicians are the two most evil things in any World.
- robert longhurst
In your opinion.
- Tom Slater
@robert longhurst
Well the two combined have caused pretty much every single war throughout history. Yes it is Donald's opinion, but it is one that a lot of people agree with.
- K iwi
'Authority' without meaningful 'Responsibility/Accountability' tends to bring out the worst in some. Whilst obvious to most, we continue not to learn the lesson sufficiently well such as to install appropriate preventative controls.

For example, in government we have long had the 'Nolan Principles' but the CURRENT 'government' continues to exude its 'Sound judgement, Honesty, Integrity, Transparency, Equity'.
- Frank Crewe
Well at least in a democracy we can vote out politicians but we are stuck with clerics regardless of the government we have.
- Roland Drake
@Tom Slater
Yes you are so right. Without moral beliefs and government policies there would be no wars, Because anarchy and evil would flourish unchecked, Lawlessness would run riot, and no one would stand up for the poor and the oppressed, let alone fight for justice. And sadly you are at a time when " for evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing". and mankind sees a Just War as the only solution.
- Spikey Son
@Roland Drake
Morals dont come from religions beliefs, immorals do

Damian Selak
The solution is simple, shut down all religious schools. We are secular country and is madness that religious schools are funded by Government. If people want to learn religion, they can do that in private. Plenty of material in libraries and on the internet.
- whc GB
I have said this for years, kids can't understand why, their friends have to go to a different school from them.
- Andrew
Better idea! Go check yourself into an insane asylum and when you're ready, join the conversation with facts and not your own pathetic opinion.
- Damian Selak
@Andrew
Facts??? Plenty of them around. You didn't come with any yourself.
- Say What
@Andrew
Not proving your point, Andrew...you need to do better.
- Andrew
@Damian Selak
These actions are the fault of the p a t h e t i c culture. Ridiculing the religion is like blaming all M u s l i m s for 9/11. You d i s g u s t me with your intense r e l i g i o p h o b i a.
- Andrew
@Say What
My point is it's not the r e l i g i o n's fault but the peoples.
- Spikey Son
@Andrew
incorrect the relgion is invented to control the people, have them think evil is good and good is evil. Gives the excuse to do evil and enforce it
- Spikey Son
@Andrew
with no relgion there is no concept of pardise, no being to please thus no need for martrdom
- Spikey Son
@Andrew
The people are made by the religion, the religions tells them to be evil

Michael Hobson
Yet again a genuine, non threatening comment does not meet guidelines, what a rubbish system.
- Roslyn Renwick
Yep, its happening a lot this morning. Once tried to include a quote, with citation, from a well known song on civil rights, but they wouldn't have it.
- Derek Emery
Not some much AI as No I

ANDREW DUNNE
The catholic church, hiding centuries of abuse, from so-called popes, cardinals, bishops, & priests. All ranks within its closed institution, have had wives, lovers, & illegitimate children to scores of women. This doesn't include the systematic torcher & murder throughout history of the innocent!!!!
- Lilly Gray
IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE TO DO THIS.
- Keith THFC
@Lilly Gray
but slavery is
- Dewi Jones
@Lilly Gray
You can find just about anything in the Bible.
- Dewi Jones
@Lilly Gray
If you get a maid pregnant or female slave in your household according to the laws of Moses (if it was him) you can marry her or not under such and such conditions. If slavery is allowed at all there can and will be abuses - an abuse in itself it makes room for more abuses. Slavery has been abolished tho it is in the Bible, whilst overpowering a maid if only thro advantage and social position is implicit and there is nothing in the text to prevent it nor to decry it. People pick and choose what they want to abolish or abide by. Use your reason is the best thing Muhammad ever said. I don't want you to think I have a high opinion of myself but perhaps I use my reason even more than he did.

Phillip Robinson
So are we allowed to talk about 1slam?
- robert longhurst
No apparently
- Dewi Jones
@robert longhurst
I've just mentioned Muhammad in a comment below so it's just possible as long as you don't say anything too disparaging (but couch your words carefully).
- PK NUTS
R i g h t w i ng a r e b a c k

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https://archive.is/wip/xyZ8F

These religious losers (which I can call them, as far as I am concerned, because I used to be one) care more about themselves being offended and their faerie tale story book being shown in this article, more th-- rather than caring about Children being abused, etc., by "god"'s employees. Furthermore, the more I mention "god" employing "priests" so that more Children can be raped, etc., the more christians whinge that "that is catholicism, not christianity" - the point being (this is not a quote, but is their attitude) It is a "different" "god", so meh. (As I said, they say it is catholicism, not christianity (when catholicism is christian), and they are uncaring about their "god" preventing it, whether it is this, that or the other.) If "god" created the entire Universe, then it is supposed to be above "different" catholic "god" and "different" muslim "god" - so my point still stands - "god" refused to prevent this religious-institutional abuse of Children which has been very widespread and which has been happening for a very long time. Needless to say, christians still don't give a shit. (One christian owns her own business and said she won't be forcing her staff to be vaccinated, and she called herself her own boss. I said that you can't serve two masters, which is a biblical quote and FYI - that is in the new testament, no less!), and she got upset and said "god" gave her the job and position...) Don't forget that "god" thrives on pain - it said it increased the pain of childbirth because "eve" was punished by "god" for not being "allowed" to use the Brain which "god" gave it.

About the commenters not being "allowed" to talk about islam - or 1slam, as they had to put it - that, along with the muslim leader agreeing with the Yehubor leader in condemning the anti-Yehubor race attacks recently... That is interesting. Well, I say it's interesting, but I can remember it being said before that the Yehubor needs to remove christianity from existence, so as to further its plan - and also not forgetting that islam is to be used as a broom to brush-away, wipe-out, "christians", by which it means Whites, from existence. Futhermore, "the" Yehubor pope is "bridge-builder" between Yehuborim christianity and Yehuborim islam, with (and I may be mistaken in this next bit) "the" pope living on 7 hills (which is actually Rome, but the Yehubor needs proxies; there is always a man-- sorry, I meant Yehubor behind the curtains) or rather with "israel" being at the joining point of the European, African and Asian continents (also with (((them))) trying to change the continents so that Africa becomes a super continent, engulfing a lot of Europe which I saw before).

Along the lines of what Damian Selak, in the comments here, said - I can't wait for (((abrahamism))) to be illegal. Both christians and muslims are/would be like, "Illegal? So? Meh." because, of course, they are under "higher" "laws", but at least people here know what I mean. Soon after it is illegal, it is dead and might exist only in historical libraries and things, for those who cannot yet learn about what is within the Akashic records.

Regarding what Michael Hobson said - (((MSN))) removed comments a few years ago. It re-"allowed" comments a bit ago. Obviously, the United Nations' Declaration of Human Rights, regarding free speech and expression, is being ignored by (((MSN))). Sorry, I meant to say the jewnited Nations' Declaration of Human Rights.

 

[FancyMancy]

 

[FancyMancy]

Yes, that is a little Baby. She (or it) was 11 months old.

Possibly only the husband was a Yehubor; therefore the baby would also be.

Dena Schlosser (née Leitner, born 1969) is an American woman from Plano, Texas who, on November 22, 2004, used a knife to amputate the arms of her eleven-month-old daughter, Margaret, who died as a result. Plano police responded to a 9-1-1 call made by concerned workers at a local daycare center who had spoken to her earlier that day. The operator testified that she confessed to her and that the gospel song "He Touched Me" played in the background. When police arrived they saw her calmly sitting down, covered in blood, holding the knife, and singing Christian hymns.[1]

Hours after her arrest, police heard her repeatedly chanting, "Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord."[2]

Early years
At the age of eight, Dena Leitner was diagnosed with hydrocephalus. She had eight surgeries to implant shunts into her brain, heart and abdomen before she was 13 years old. She graduated from Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, with a bachelor's degree in psychology.[3][4]

She met her husband, John Schlosser, when they were both students at Marist. Eventually they moved to Texas.[3]

Margaret's death
The day after Margaret was born, Schlosser attempted suicide, was hospitalized in a psychiatric ward, and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder with psychotic features.[3] She had been investigated earlier that year by the Texas Child Protective Services (CPS) after she was hospitalized for a psychotic episode. CPS ordered that she could not be alone with her children. Her sister-in-law came to live with them until CPS lifted the order.[3][5] Schlosser came to believe that Margaret was destined to marry Doyle Davidson, a veterinarian who had become their pastor. The day before she attacked Margaret, Schlosser told her husband that she wanted to give her to Davidson. Later that day, according to a confidential CPS report, he spanked her with a wooden spoon in front of their children.[3][6] She fatally injured Margaret by severing her arms with a knife,[5] while her other two daughters were not physically harmed.

Psychologist David Self testified that Schlosser told him about a disturbing news story she had seen. The news story concerned a boy who was mauled by a lion and she interpreted it as a sign of the coming apocalypse. She said that she heard God commanding her to remove Margaret's arms and then her own.[1] The attack was later described as "religious frenzy".[7] Self determined that she suffered from postpartum psychosis.[8] She was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was committed to the North Texas State Hospital and ordered to go there until she is deemed to no longer be a threat to herself or others.[7] There, she was a roommate of Andrea Yates, a Texas woman who had drowned her five children in a bathtub.[9]

During the trial, much attention was drawn to Schlosser and her husband attending Water of Life Church, a charismatic church pastored by Davidson. She had been taking antipsychotic drugs for several years prior to Margaret's death. Davidson thought that mental illness was demonic and this belief partly led Schlosser's husband to not buy her medication regularly.[3] Under oath, Davidson testified that in his view, all mental illness is demonic at bottom.[3][2] Due to viewer outcry after the trial, Davidson's television ministry was canceled everywhere outside the Metroplex.[10]

After Schlosser's arrest, her children were taken by CPS and kept in foster care. CPS said they would only allow him to regain custody of them under the condition that his sister live with the family, and he was required to complete psychotherapy and parenting classes. He received full custody of his daughters and raised them as a single father.[6] He subsequently filed for divorce. As part of the divorce settlement, Schlosser was prohibited from ever having contact with him or their daughters again.[citation needed]

On November 6, 2008, it was announced that Schlosser would shortly be released into outpatient care. The order required her to see a psychiatrist once a week, take medication, be on physician-approved birth control, and not have any unsupervised contact with children.[11]

In April 2010, it was reported that Schlosser was recommitted after firefighters from Richardson saw her walking down the street at 2:00 AM. Her attorney, David Haynes, said that he felt the judge made the correct decision.[12]

Schlosser was later released to outpatient status. She stayed out of the public eye until 2012, when WFAA-TV in Dallas reported that she was working under her maiden name, Leitner, at a Walmart in Terrell. Within hours, they fired her.[13][14]

As of December 2020, Dena Schlosser was ordered to remain committed to a state hospital.[15]

In the media
Schlosser was briefly seen in the 2005 documentary The God Who Wasn't There, which is critical of Christianity.[16]

There is also a segment about Schlosser in an August 23, 2013, episode of Deadly Women called "Evil Guardians".[17][18]
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Astarte in Carthage: Honored by Gentiles, Assaulted by Yehuborim

https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...iles-assaulted-by-Yehuborim.95193/post-497137

Thanks again for posting that, JG Blitzkreig.

To christians who might have been linked to this thread or are, in the very unlikely possibility (because you're so closed-minded and choose to be ignorant, which you call "faith"), reading it at all - you have no leg to stand on. You cannot deny this truth realistically; all you have, instead of real life and reality, is faith. Have faith hard that your "god" is good. It admits itself that it creates evil in Isaiah 45:7. If you take "the garden of eden" and "the creation" and talking donkeys literally, and realise that "god" does not heal amputees literally, no matter how much you pray, then you take "I create evil" also literally. Don't be stupid and contradictory and cherry-picking just because it suits you. That's bullshit, and you are an accomplice to evil; you are aiding and abetting evil; you might very well, yourself, be evil.