Questions about the validity of the reverse Torah ritual.

[ZenoTheGreat]

I'm sure you might have had some questions about this before but I think I may possibly bring something to the table which may of not been brought up before.

first off I am new to Satanism and there are multiple things I am trying to understand and this being one of the main ones as this is the primary ritual this organization promotes and not just that but also the most controversial. I've watch a few videos against the ritual and have heard some arguments for it mostly from one person who claimed that it is valid because "I feel like it worked" and because after you say words backwards you blot out the words which causes some skepticism for me. A few reasons why I somewhat doubt the validity is because Yehuborim themselves read the Torah backwards and I have a multitude of sources for that https://noahfarkas.com/2019/01/24/yitro-reading-the-bible-backwards/ https://www.vbs.org/worship/meet-our-clergy/Yehubor's leader-noah-farkas/blog/reading-it-backwards and you can find even more by a google search. We end up with the RTR being just reading the Torah as a Yehubor's leader would and at the end blotting out the letters and telling yourself that Abrahamism gone which telling yourself anything doesn't make it true. In the end if anything happens at all as a result to this ritual it would be because of the blotting out of the letters, that is my current understanding at least.

I still don't really understand everything about Satanism, all I know is the website, rumors, and the unofficial telegram I was banned from for questioning the validity of the ritual along with other things I disagreed with on JOS such as homosexuality in the thirdriech and arguing over a heavily promoted book here called the pink swastika that was written by a Yehubor but that is something for another time if anyone has more info on that I will check it out and make my judgement.

To finish off I am not here to start a fight or anything, I am in completely good faith and I want a good faith logical discussion. I have heard rumors about this place's toxicity and I would hope to be proved wrong

-thanks, zeno

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

If you read the links you try to cite as "evidence", both of these literally tell you about "Reading it Backwards" as in chronologically, ie, starting from the end to make up an understanding of the Biblical narrative from the end to the beginning, not literally reversing sounds or anything the Final RTR does.

You are deceitfully trying to accuse based on empty points, let alone your cloaked accusations towards the community.

 

[Serbon]

I'm sure you might have had some questions about this before but I think I may possibly bring something to the table which may of not been brought up before.

first off I am new to Satanism and there are multiple things I am trying to understand and this being one of the main ones as this is the primary ritual this organization promotes and not just that but also the most controversial. I've watch a few videos against the ritual and have heard some arguments for it mostly from one person who claimed that it is valid because "I feel like it worked" and because after you say words backwards you blot out the words which causes some skepticism for me. A few reasons why I somewhat doubt the validity is because Yehuborim themselves read the Torah backwards and I have a multitude of sources for that https://noahfarkas.com/2019/01/24/yitro-reading-the-bible-backwards/ https://www.vbs.org/worship/meet-our-clergy/Yehubor's leader-noah-farkas/blog/reading-it-backwards and you can find even more by a google search. We end up with the RTR being just reading the Torah as a Yehubor's leader would and at the end blotting out the letters and telling yourself that Abrahamism gone which telling yourself anything doesn't make it true. In the end if anything happens at all as a result to this ritual it would be because of the blotting out of the letters, that is my current understanding at least.

I still don't really understand everything about Satanism, all I know is the website, rumors, and the unofficial telegram I was banned from for questioning the validity of the ritual along with other things I disagreed with on JOS such as homosexuality in the thirdriech and arguing over a heavily promoted book here called the pink swastika that was written by a Yehubor but that is something for another time if anyone has more info on that I will check it out and make my judgement.

To finish off I am not here to start a fight or anything, I am in completely good faith and I want a good faith logical discussion. I have heard rumors about this place's toxicity and I would hope to be proved wrong

-thanks, zeno

https://radostsatane.com/DefendingJoS/frtr.html
Here you have these anti-RTR arguments debunked

 

[AFODO]

When it comes to slenders against JoS, there is many.

People who have bad experiences with this group, is only the ones who have big problems in themselves.
Many people starts arguing with no real points, or with false "facts" , and end up as the victim.
The next step they do is to join a group that hates JoS and tells his/her bad experiences that is only occurred because of him/her.

I have many positive experiences here, many times I felt blessed by how kind people answered me and treated my right.
Blitzkreig for example, he is very kind.

HPHC explained why your point is false.

Here is some reading about the RTR:

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=87324&p=451505
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=269654#p269654
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=81458&p=413592&hilit=RTR#p413592
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86139&p=444842
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87304&p=451413

There are many more articles explaining the RTR, or RTR experiences.

 

[ZenoTheGreat]

If you read the links you try to cite as "evidence", both of these literally tell you about "Reading it Backwards" as in chronologically, ie, starting from the end to make up an understanding of the Biblical narrative from the end to the beginning, not literally reversing sounds or anything the Final RTR does.

You are deceitfully trying to accuse based on empty points, let alone your cloaked accusations towards the community.

I am not trying to do anything sinister, I would have no point to do that. If you look at the second website they speak about reading the Ten Commandments backwards which would be one page, they don’t really specify if you should read the words backwards though now that I think about it.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

If you read the links you try to cite as "evidence", both of these literally tell you about "Reading it Backwards" as in chronologically, ie, starting from the end to make up an understanding of the Biblical narrative from the end to the beginning, not literally reversing sounds or anything the Final RTR does.

You are deceitfully trying to accuse based on empty points, let alone your cloaked accusations towards the community.

I am not trying to do anything sinister, I would have no point to do that. If you look at the second website they speak about reading the Ten Commandments backwards which would be one page, they don’t really specify if you should read the words backwards though now that I think about it.

Reading the "Bible Backwards" is a practice they do in chronological fashion, for example, you first read the 10th commandment, and then the 9th, instead the 1st and then the 2nd, it's a form of deriving different meaning. The same thing is done with the bible itself, where they go chronologically backwards, because whatever, they want to read the fable backwards.

Backwards has to do with time. Reversed would be the case of mirror motion. However, reversal is traditionally used in magick for making magick inefficient. There are many PGM Papyri who have this motif, and yes, this is how it happens.

 

[hailourtruegod]

Also let's remind ourselves how we direct the energy. You made the statement that we recite the torah how a Yehubor's leader would when in reality this is a very disingenuous claim if one just looks at the affirmation. Not only are we reversing the words instead of backwards we are also saying affirmations that Yehuborim would NEVER say.

That in itself should of let you know we are doing the opposite of what rabbis do.