Questions about birth and C-Sections.

SleepingWolfMay 5, 20222 min to read

May 5, 2022

I doubt anyone has any concrete knowledge about this, but I'm wonder people's opinions on a few things that have come to mind lately and one I've had for a long time.

First is something I've thought about for a long time, and that's can births be controlled to get a child with a favorable chart? When I'd first read about astrology this was the major question that popped into head, and I thought it was probably difficult to do because I thought you'd probably ask the Gods for the right soul or trying to cause the birth to safely happen on the time you want, but realized that that'd be circumnavigated entirely if you purposefully did it with C-Sections. It makes me wonder if this is already being done in the last few decades by those aware and trying to get purposefully better charts for their kids in some higher up circles.

Obviously the ethics of this is up for debate, but it's more the possibility that intrigues me, but C-Sections themselves also now make me curious if this is bad for the baby to not be born at the "right time" it should've been? Obviously this is something some women need to do for health reasons of either the baby or the mother in some cases, but is it possible that C-Sections are making some born when they're not supposed to be, or is this not at all how it works? I'm interested to hear other's thoughts on this.

"When the twines that hold him start to yield before his might
The day will come when Skoll and Hati devours all our light"

I doubt anyone has any concrete knowledge about this, but I'm wonder people's opinions on a few things that have come to mind lately and one I've had for a long time.

May 7, 2022#20

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Sundarasaid:
SleepingWolfsaid:
I doubt anyone has any concrete knowledge about this, but I'm wonder people's opinions on a few things that have come to mind lately and one I've had for a long time.
First is something I've thought about for a long time, and that's can births be controlled to get a child with a favorable chart? When I'd first read about astrology this was the major question that popped into head, and I thought it was probably difficult to do because I thought you'd probably ask the Gods for the right soul or trying to cause the birth to safely happen on the time you want, but realized that that'd be circumnavigated entirely if you purposefully did it with C-Sections. It makes me wonder if this is already being done in the last few decades by those aware and trying to get purposefully better charts for their kids in some higher up circles.
Obviously the ethics of this is up for debate, but it's more the possibility that intrigues me, but C-Sections themselves also now make me curious if this is bad for the baby to not be born at the "right time" it should've been? Obviously this is something some women need to do for health reasons of either the baby or the mother in some cases, but is it possible that C-Sections are making some born when they're not supposed to be, or is this not at all how it works? I'm interested to hear other's thoughts on this.
Like Lydia said, this is tough. It technically impedes upon a natural spiritual path that even if a person wanted to affect, they couldn’t really by making these decisions. If a person chooses to do that, which many new agers do attempt, it has very little impact on anything at all, it’s mainly just silly, and trying to influence this to go a particular way is futile and at worst would cause disruptions in labor in attempting to have their child be born at a particular time or day if someone was stupid enough to place that much importance on something they aren’t even certain of, That’s something I’d call delusional.

Thank you for your input, it is becoming clear to me from others here that if someone need be born at the time they need be, someone trying to cheat the system probably wouldn't work. Whether it be the Gods or fate nature will ensure the proper time. It's clear if any such purposeful timing is possible it's pretty advanced stuff.

"When the twines that hold him start to yield before his might
The day will come when Skoll and Hati devours all our light"

Sundarasaid:
SleepingWolfsaid:
I doubt anyone has any concrete knowledge about this, but I'm wonder people's opinions on a few things that have come to mind lately and one I've had for a long time.
First is something I've thought about for a long time, and that's can births be controlled to get a child with a favorable chart? When I'd first read about astrology this was the major question that popped into head, and I thought it was probably difficult to do because I thought you'd probably ask the Gods for the right soul or trying to cause the birth to safely happen on the time you want, but realized that that'd be circumnavigated entirely if you purposefully did it with C-Sections. It makes me wonder if this is already being done in the last few decades by those aware and trying to get purposefully better charts for their kids in some higher up circles.
Obviously the ethics of this is up for debate, but it's more the possibility that intrigues me, but C-Sections themselves also now make me curious if this is bad for the baby to not be born at the "right time" it should've been? Obviously this is something some women need to do for health reasons of either the baby or the mother in some cases, but is it possible that C-Sections are making some born when they're not supposed to be, or is this not at all how it works? I'm interested to hear other's thoughts on this.
Like Lydia said, this is tough. It technically impedes upon a natural spiritual path that even if a person wanted to affect, they couldn’t really by making these decisions. If a person chooses to do that, which many new agers do attempt, it has very little impact on anything at all, it’s mainly just silly, and trying to influence this to go a particular way is futile and at worst would cause disruptions in labor in attempting to have their child be born at a particular time or day if someone was stupid enough to place that much importance on something they aren’t even certain of, That’s something I’d call delusional.

May 7, 2022#21

Lydia [JGsaid:
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existentialcrisissaid:
It's always said that your natal chart is a map of your soul. If you were born at such a drastically different time, wouldn't a different soul occupy the body, since the chart no longer represents or fits your soul? Aren't people born just where and when they are supposed to?
The doctor wanted to induce labor a day or two before I was born. If I had been born on the same time that day, some really difficult features of my chart would have been no more. But would I still be me? Would have I been left waiting on the astral as the chart no longer fit me? Or is it just the composition of the body(race/lineage/etc) that is driving reincarnation and the natal chart is only a map for this specific lifetime, as opposed to the soul itself? Food for thought.
I think the main question would be, can a person actually be born when they aren't supposed to be born? What I mean is, sure there are other times when we could be born, but we weren't, so perhaps it would not have happened. Perhaps a scheduled induced labor is influenced by factors higher than out logical understanding, resulting in them being scheduled for exactly when we were supposed to be born. Same with early natural labor, the baby comes when it is time for it. This has to do with my previous reply about spiritual awareness of incarnating souls, it is not decided last-minute, although maybe in some cases it is.

Sorry I was wondering specifically C-Sections because it's the only way to really guarantee, as from cursory glances at the subject, the other forms of induced labor weren't guaranteed to work the same, and it seemed many mothers who made the choice to C-Section were doing so for the convenience of being able to schedule the time, and for scheduling sick leave for themselves and the father to be there at the time. Looking at videos of the procedure it certainly looks barbaric, but I understand at least their reasoning for doing so. If we had better paternal and maternal leave perhaps many wouldn't feel the need?

"When the twines that hold him start to yield before his might
The day will come when Skoll and Hati devours all our light"

Lydia [JGsaid:
" post_id=351798 time=1651902476 user_id=57]
existentialcrisissaid:
It's always said that your natal chart is a map of your soul. If you were born at such a drastically different time, wouldn't a different soul occupy the body, since the chart no longer represents or fits your soul? Aren't people born just where and when they are supposed to?
The doctor wanted to induce labor a day or two before I was born. If I had been born on the same time that day, some really difficult features of my chart would have been no more. But would I still be me? Would have I been left waiting on the astral as the chart no longer fit me? Or is it just the composition of the body(race/lineage/etc) that is driving reincarnation and the natal chart is only a map for this specific lifetime, as opposed to the soul itself? Food for thought.
I think the main question would be, can a person actually be born when they aren't supposed to be born? What I mean is, sure there are other times when we could be born, but we weren't, so perhaps it would not have happened. Perhaps a scheduled induced labor is influenced by factors higher than out logical understanding, resulting in them being scheduled for exactly when we were supposed to be born. Same with early natural labor, the baby comes when it is time for it. This has to do with my previous reply about spiritual awareness of incarnating souls, it is not decided last-minute, although maybe in some cases it is.

May 7, 2022#22

Looking at this from a scientific point of view we would consider incubation as an intermediary womb during gestation. So let's (for example) suppose someone was 4 months premature. These 4 months (or so) would be spent in an incubation chamber.

I think one's natal chart is first established in the moments immediately following birth. It's at this time the baby recognizes the mother's pheromones which precedes the infant's eyes opening by a few minutes. This chemical feedback symbiotic, just as breast feeding is.

So for a C-section baby this would be the moments after leaving incubation chamber and establishing that connection, providing it's immediate. In the event it isn't my theory is that it begins anyway, just before the eye-opening stage. Similar circumstances could happen in nature (e.g mother bird dies before hatching). In this scenario the chicks could still be "born."

Most people view life as just one thing. I believe life is perpetual creation and recreation (i.e symbiosis, which is synergistic and at times compounding). If you look into biology you'll find that this is the state of all living things; various organisms working together. In child-birthing we have symbiosis inside the womb and outside the womb.

In fruit-bearing plants seeds take nutrients from the fruit pulp after it falls to the earth. Everything in the natural world is the same.

As an aside, it seems this idea also exists in the sociology of animals groups/herds and older civilizations (like how we used to trade goods and services without currency). The way the enemy destroys, recreates and replaces life and nature is the most vile thing plaguing this world.

My advice is I'd inquire my parents about it if possible. I also agree one should seek counsel from the Gods.

In fruit-bearing plants seeds take nutrients from the fruit pulp after it falls to the earth. Everything in the natural world is the same.

My advice is I'd inquire my parents about it if possible. I also agree one should seek counsel from the Gods.

May 9, 2022#23

SleepingWolfsaid:
Sorry I was wondering specifically C-Sections because it's the only way to really guarantee, as from cursory glances at the subject, the other forms of induced labor weren't guaranteed to work the same, and it seemed many mothers who made the choice to C-Section were doing so for the convenience of being able to schedule the time, and for scheduling sick leave for themselves and the father to be there at the time. Looking at videos of the procedure it certainly looks barbaric, but I understand at least their reasoning for doing so. If we had better paternal and maternal leave perhaps many wouldn't feel the need?

I understand now, yes that is true, about scheduling it for the father to be there, convenient for everyone. I had forgotten about that.

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SleepingWolfsaid:
Sorry I was wondering specifically C-Sections because it's the only way to really guarantee, as from cursory glances at the subject, the other forms of induced labor weren't guaranteed to work the same, and it seemed many mothers who made the choice to C-Section were doing so for the convenience of being able to schedule the time, and for scheduling sick leave for themselves and the father to be there at the time. Looking at videos of the procedure it certainly looks barbaric, but I understand at least their reasoning for doing so. If we had better paternal and maternal leave perhaps many wouldn't feel the need?

I understand now, yes that is true, about scheduling it for the father to be there, convenient for everyone. I had forgotten about that.