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Question about Umbanda entities

dypetrod

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Hello there brothers and sisters

Umbanda is a Brazilian religion that combines traditional African religious practices, 'spiritism' and catholic elements. The catholic elements I believe are there due to jewish corruption since Umbanda practitioners were persecuted in old times for not being xians. Umbanda is pretty much related to African religions such as candomble, santeria, voodoo etc although not being the same.

In this religion there is a pantheon of entities who are contacted by invocation, i.e. they speak and act through the body of a person who serves as a medium to make contact. For many years now my uncle has been invoking these entities.

If you subdivide, among these entities there is a line of 'right path entities' and 'left path entities'.

Among the 'right path entities' there are the 'caboclos', indigenous entities who resemble native Americans. Most of them are associated with snakes, each one of them having a particular species of snake as his/her sacred animal. They will often smoke cigars during the invocation session and grant favors in exchange for certain offerings like candles in the sacred color of the entity. It is said among practitioners that each person has one of these entities as a guardian.

Among the 'left path entities' there are the exus, who are often depicted as 'devils' (horns red skin etc). Exus will often grant favors in exchange for offerings like alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, chicken sacrifice and food. Each one of these entities also has a sigil which is usually drawn on the ground where the invocation takes place and the pitch fork appears in many of these sigils. They will often smoke cigars and drink alcohol during the invocation session.

My question is,
does anyone know if these entities are related to Satan?
Are they, by chance, lesser demons?
I have done my own research on that but could only gather 'half conclusions'.

One particular thing that makes me ask this is a dream that I had some days ago.
In this dream I was telling my mother that Bes and Exu Mirim (young Exu) were the same entity. Also, two children appeared walking with me in the dream.
I was wondering if what I said in the dream was true. The only similarities I know between these entities is that they have to do with children. I read that Bes is a protector for children (and also women). Exu Mirim is also said to protect children and he is depicted as a child himself. Is it possible that they are the same entity or that they somehow work together?
Or perhaps this dream was meant to bring me a different message about children.

Ps.: I am not an Umbanda practitioner myself.

Every piece of information on this will be appreciated.

HAIL SATAN!!!
 
I would like to know about that too. I have heard it is derived from egyptian religion, although is corrupted.
I have been to Bahia and you should see the face of an african woman in an hotel when she saw My guardian demon, she was able to see him, he is huge and muscular haha. Then for some reason, she entered my room and stole a personal object from me. Probably to do magic. I know for sure that was her bacause, while my family was out I remained in the room, and 2 times she entered thinking it was empty but I was there, then gave some excuse- if there was a bed that was not being occupied(doesen´t make any sense). Then eventually my dental fixator that I use(sorry, I don´t know how this is called in english and I am lazy to google it) got missed. Nothing is ever stolen in that place, it is a very high class place, the brazilian open Tenis event happen there, but my dental stuff was stolen. I wonder what did she did with it.
Caboclo is a race mixed being of white + native american, Satan is against miscigenation, this kind of stuff that makes me confuse. I will have to go do my own research personally on this one, the High priests won´t mind about some south american stuff.


Em Quarta-feira, 16 de Setembro de 2015 20:45, "dypet.rodent@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] escreveu:


  Hello there brothers and sisters

Umbanda is a Brazilian religion that combines traditional African religious practices, 'spiritism' and catholic elements. The catholic elements I believe are there due to jewish corruption since Umbanda practitioners were persecuted in old times for not being xians. Umbanda is pretty much related to African religions such as candomble, santeria, voodoo etc although not being the same.

In this religion there is a pantheon of entities who are contacted by invocation, i.e. they speak and act through the body of a person who serves as a medium to make contact. For many years now my uncle has been invoking these entities.

If you subdivide, among these entities there is a line of 'right path entities' and 'left path entities'.

Among the 'right path entities' there are the 'caboclos', indigenous entities who resemble native Americans. Most of them are associated with snakes, each one of them having a particular species of snake as his/her sacred animal. They will often smoke cigars during the invocation session and grant favors in exchange for certain offerings like candles in the sacred color of the entity. It is said among practitioners that each person has one of these entities as a guardian.

Among the 'left path entities' there are the exus, who are often depicted as 'devils' (horns red skin etc). Exus will often grant favors in exchange for offerings like alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, chicken sacrifice and food. Each one of these entities also has a sigil which is usually drawn on the ground where the invocation takes place and the pitch fork appears in many of these sigils. They will often smoke cigars and drink alcohol during the invocation session.

My question is,
does anyone know if these entities are related to Satan?
Are they, by chance, lesser demons?
I have done my own research on that but could only gather 'half conclusions'.

One particular thing that makes me ask this is a dream that I had some days ago.
In this dream I was telling my mother that Bes and Exu Mirim (young Exu) were the same entity. Also, two children appeared walking with me in the dream.
I was wondering if what I said in the dream was true. The only similarities I know between these entities is that they have to do with children. I read that Bes is a protector for children (and also women). Exu Mirim is also said to protect children and he is depicted as a child himself. Is it possible that they are the same entity or that they somehow work together?
Or perhaps this dream was meant to bring me a different message about children.

Ps.: I am not an Umbanda practitioner myself.

Every piece of information on this will be appreciated.

HAIL SATAN!!!



 
I know there are roots of satanism in some african spiritual practices. But as you can see from what you have written it is clearly corrupted at all costs.

Sacrifices are of the RHP. The only sacrifices we make in Spiritual Satanism is that we spend a lot of time in meditation, rituals and study, which is only beneficial in every means of the word.

I was into Voodoo, Hoodoo, and other types of magick and spritual practices many many years ago, I only liked the tuning in part, chanting and evoking part. And the way one casts Hexes. But I always had this nagging feeling that something was totally wrong. It's very christian huge parts of it and jewish. As it is extremely corrupted.

The reason she took some dental fixator or toothbrush, necklace, sweater, ring etc. Is because it is a personal item, that you somehow are attached too. Therefor have put your energy into it. With that, one can use that personal item to channel your energies making a tie with a thoughtform and curse you. I am not saying she did or would ever succeed. But the possibility is there. I've used something similar and still do, as they helps me to create the proper mood and focus. And it's fun!

I have not much information or knowledge about this anyway, but enough to see this is xian bullshit. But I will study this in depth as it is very interesting.

Knowledge is power!

Hail Satan!!!
 
why would she want to curse me, she just worked in the hotel, I had never seen her before. Anyway, they do use animal sacrifice, black chicken, etc. I think I will go personally in one of this place to see this caboclos, I bet it is a troll grey.


Em Quinta-feira, 17 de Setembro de 2015 18:04, "dark_pagan_666@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] escreveu:


  I know there are roots of satanism in some african spiritual practices. But as you can see from what you have written it is clearly corrupted at all costs.

Sacrifices are of the RHP. The only sacrifices we make in Spiritual Satanism is that we spend a lot of time in meditation, rituals and study, which is only beneficial in every means of the word.

I was into Voodoo, Hoodoo, and other types of magick and spritual practices many many years ago, I only liked the tuning in part, chanting and evoking part. And the way one casts Hexes. But I always had this nagging feeling that something was totally wrong. It's very christian huge parts of it and jewish. As it is extremely corrupted.

The reason she took some dental fixator or toothbrush, necklace, sweater, ring etc. Is because it is a personal item, that you somehow are attached too. Therefor have put your energy into it. With that, one can use that personal item to channel your energies making a tie with a thoughtform and curse you. I am not saying she did or would ever succeed. But the possibility is there. I've used something similar and still do, as they helps me to create the proper mood and focus. And it's fun!

I have not much information or knowledge about this anyway, but enough to see this is xian bullshit. But I will study this in depth as it is very interesting.

Knowledge is power!

Hail Satan!!!

 
Maybe she didn't want to curse you but was nosy and wanted to know more about you. And wanted one of your possessions to find out more about you.


On Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:21 PM, "eu caseu lion666lion66688@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  why would she want to curse me, she just worked in the hotel, I had never seen her before. Anyway, they do use animal sacrifice, black chicken, etc. I think I will go personally in one of this place to see this caboclos, I bet it is a troll grey.


Em Quinta-feira, 17 de Setembro de 2015 18:04, "dark_pagan_666@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] escreveu:


  I know there are roots of satanism in some african spiritual practices. But as you can see from what you have written it is clearly corrupted at all costs.

Sacrifices are of the RHP. The only sacrifices we make in Spiritual Satanism is that we spend a lot of time in meditation, rituals and study, which is only beneficial in every means of the word.

I was into Voodoo, Hoodoo, and other types of magick and spritual practices many many years ago, I only liked the tuning in part, chanting and evoking part. And the way one casts Hexes. But I always had this nagging feeling that something was totally wrong. It's very christian huge parts of it and jewish. As it is extremely corrupted.

The reason she took some dental fixator or toothbrush, necklace, sweater, ring etc. Is because it is a personal item, that you somehow are attached too. Therefor have put your energy into it. With that, one can use that personal item to channel your energies making a tie with a thoughtform and curse you. I am not saying she did or would ever succeed. But the possibility is there. I've used something similar and still do, as they helps me to create the proper mood and focus. And it's fun!

I have not much information or knowledge about this anyway, but enough to see this is xian bullshit. But I will study this in depth as it is very interesting.

Knowledge is power!

Hail Satan!!!



 
@dark_pagan_666 Yeah most doctrines are heavily corrupted nowadays. A lot of these Umbanda entities are associated with catholic saints and many of their traditional chant songs (called 'pontos') make references to catholic saints or the xian 'god' in their lyrics. Here is one, roughly translated:

"Hey caboclo, you are not jewish
You are baptized in the line of god
Two caboclos go, one help another
While one cuts the wood the other pulls out the stump"

However, it is said those catholic elements were introduced by the religion 'founders' in order to avoid persecution. It is also said that African religions practitioners had to disguise their gods in catholic saints for the same reason. So I've been wondering if there is anything true about this religion if you take out the xian crap.

@eu caseu Well it is a well-known fact that the HPs are very busy. But who knows. Perhaps some of them has some info on that. If you find anything from research, please let us know on this thread.

The information available on this online is not as accurate as I was expecting. What I first tried is knowing the name of the highest entity worshipped in Umbanda and see if this same entity has ever been known by any other names in other cultures. The Wikipedia page about Umbanda mentions olodumare, which redirects to another page mentioning this entity and two more worshipped in the yoruba pantheon.

Perhaps I should research further than Wikipedia.

And well said, knowlegde is power.

HAIL SATAN!!!
 
@egon_88_666 I forgot to mention but I have also found this post of yours when researching.

The JoS being the most trustable source for spiritual information, I've searched about Umbanda, Candomble, Yoruba and similar terms here and in the other forum as well.

And btw, this post of yours was the most complete Satanic input I have found on this matter.
And I understand what you mean by what these entities represent as concepts. However, that still did not get me to a conclusion: Are these entities (as beings) of Satan/related to Satan to some degree? Or is it possible that some of them are Goetic Demons represented with different names?
My uncle has been invoking these entities to speak through him for years now and when I was a kid they'd call me to participate and talk to these entities as well. Whenever my uncle invoked exus I'd get scared because of their heavy laughter.
Was I ever talking to trustable entities?
 
@egon_88_666 your last reply appears on my inbox addressing the forum but it doesn't appear here o_O
But anyway, that is the conclusion I was looking for. Muito obrigado ;)

So the bottom line is most of these entities are what we would call angels. I should have imagined by their demanding of animal sacrifice and alcohol in exchange for favors.

But what you said now about exus and orixás bringing people to spiritual satanism has got my attention. So are these entities sort of 'divided' and a few of them are at our side?
And would this 'exu Astaroth' be Astaroth herself or an individual exu, possibly under Astaroth's command?

Sorry if this is too many questions. But thanks again for providing a conclusion to my main doubt.

HAIL SATAN!!!
 
By experience and what it seems, *most* of them "working" in these "yards" today, by their orientations and acts, are angelic beings (more Greys than enemy Nordics). I have seem some Eshus and Orishas bringing some people to Spiritual Satanism, like an experience of a brother in Satan with Eshu "Astaroth" who brought him to SS. Seems our Gods are making an extra effort to save the spiritualy talented people, who usualy falls into enemy magic, from these "workings".

Once when I was very new to SS, I was about to consult in one of these Umbanda yards, and Father Satan stopped me. "They are corrupted". I suggest you reading also the following thread, if you aren't Portuguese speaker you can use translator, it wont be too much hard to understand: http://josministries.prophpbb.com/topic8776.html  
 
Some posts delay to appear here, then I chose to send both here and in private mail. I believe our Gods may "infiltrate" places where decent, but deluded spiritualy talented people may be. I'm not sure it was actualy Astaroth or some Demon under her command but both are possible. I also believe some of the enemy entities there are deceased mages of the enemy.
 
From Wikipedia:
Olorun is the name given to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon. Olorun is the owner of the heavens and is associated with the Sun. The vital energy of Olorun manifests in humans as Ashé, which is the life force that runs through all living things.[1] The Supreme God has three manifestations: Eledumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi, who is the conduit between Orún (Heaven) and Ayé (Earth).

I also read in a different source that another name for Olodumare was Zambi. Searching for Zambi on Wikipedia, the first image was of this entity in the same position as the nazarene. I can't tell whether it is meant to be like this or it is a perverted image, much like the xians have perverted the image of Satan and our Gods.

But the fact that some of the Umbanda exus ask for black chicken sacrifice and alcohol in exchange for favors doesn't give much credibility to the hypothesis that they are of Satan anyway...I am well aware that sacrifice is used mostly as an easy energy (bioelectricity) source and Satanism is about building up your own bioelectricity.
 
Would be probably for cursing since you are of the "adversary". Unhappily there are many talented deluded people in these places who are "mules" of their "masters", like they tell. There are cases of people who ended up dead mins after these "workings" - fucking enemy black magic with blood sacrifices.
It obviously not worked on you :p
 

dypetrod, once I entered a lan house and there was a facebook of an umbanda guy, the things I saw there was pure sexual conversation, homosexuality was heavy, dating encounters with married men, sending pictures of penis, etc... there was a message in which he told how he took an 11 years old drug addicted boy and made oral sex on him. I decide to printed it and share in some social network. But then at night I started feeling the presence of African being, meaning no offense, but Africans have a characteristic smell and I could smell it, then I opened MY facebook, and some of this umbanda guys had add me on facebook. I decided not to mess with them, they may be of Satan. Magus immortalis, Yes maybe she was sweet like you
 
Oh yeah I've noticed that myself as well. Many of my messages take one whole day to go through. Today they've been going through faster though.
As for the deceased mages hypothesis, I agree as it's been said that caboclos and preto velhos are spirits of deceased indians and african slaves.
It is also said that Umbanda (as well as any other african influenced religion) has different sects and that each terreiro (yard) works in a different way, with different entities etc. So it is possible that there is infiltration of angels and greys whereas the real Umbanda entities are benevolent demons under the command of Satan's demons, or in fact the other way around as you suggested.
Searching for 'exu Astaroth' on Google, I've come across this page with a list of exus and pombagiras, claiming they are under the command of some of the Goetic Demons (including Satan/Lucifer himself):
http://mago-barao-exus-e-pombagiras.blo ... o.html?m=1

The page is in portuguese but the list can be easily interpreted.
I have no idea on how accurate this list may be, but this and other factors add more to the confusion.
In the end I guess we must go through our own experience with the demons and these entities to conclude whether they, or any entity of any apparently spiritual religion, are or not at the side of Satan.
One thing can be concluded though; if an entity demands animal sacrifice there is little chance this entity is of Satan.
 
@lion666lion66688 whoa this is sick and twisted.
Can't tell if we can blame that on the traditional Umbanda entities, on infiltrating angelic entities or if it's just these people and not even the religion's fault after all, because as we use to say, responsibility to the responsible.
But, besides homosexuality and free sexuality with due consent of all who engage in it, I'd say these sick attitudes such as pedophilia cheating etc are influenced by the enemy, be the enemy these entities or outside entities.
 

dypetrod, once I entered a lan house and there was a facebook of an umbanda guy, the things I saw there was pure sexual conversation, homosexuality was heavy, dating encounters with married men, sending pictures of penis, etc... there was a message in which he told how he took an 11 years old drug addicted boy and made oral sex on him. I decide to printed it and share in some social network. But then at night I started feeling the presence of African being, meaning no offense, but Africans have a characteristic smell and I could smell it, then I opened MY facebook, and some of this umbanda guys had add me on facebook. I decided not to mess with them, they may be of Satan. Magus immortalis, Yes maybe she was sweet like you
 
Ubanda and candomblé were curupted by the jews.You gotta need a lot of knoledge to find something useful there.

Para achar as raízes puras tu terias que pesquisar a base africana e mesmo assim não sei se seriam ainda puras.Pesquise a magia do site da jos. Runas são um bom começo,  tenho tido bons resultados.

Em sexta-feira, 18 de setembro de 2015, lion666lion66688@... [JoyofSatan666] <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] escreveu:
 

dypetrod, once I entered a lan house and there was a facebook of an umbanda guy, the things I saw there was pure sexual conversation, homosexuality was heavy, dating encounters with married men, sending pictures of penis, etc... there was a message in which he told how he took an 11 years old drug addicted boy and made oral sex on him. I decide to printed it and share in some social network. But then at night I started feeling the presence of African being, meaning no offense, but Africans have a characteristic smell and I could smell it, then I opened MY facebook, and some of this umbanda guys had add me on facebook. I decided not to mess with them, they may be of Satan.

 

Magus immortalis, Yes maybe she was sweet like you
 
I never thought I could get anything from there, I just wanted to know what exactly they are.
I still have it printed with me. I always symphatized with gays, never knew why, Now I know, It is because their very existence go against the jewish crap


Em Sexta-feira, 18 de Setembro de 2015 16:52, "Paul Light Bearer duatfriend@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] escreveu:


  Ubanda and candomblé were curupted by the jews.You gotta need a lot of knoledge to find something useful there.

Para achar as raízes puras tu terias que pesquisar a base africana e mesmo assim não sei se seriam ainda puras.Pesquise a magia do site da jos. Runas são um bom começo,  tenho tido bons resultados.

Em sexta-feira, 18 de setembro de 2015, lion666lion66688@... [JoyofSatan666] <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] escreveu:
 

dypetrod, once I entered a lan house and there was a facebook of an umbanda guy, the things I saw there was pure sexual conversation, homosexuality was heavy, dating encounters with married men, sending pictures of penis, etc... there was a message in which he told how he took an 11 years old drug addicted boy and made oral sex on him. I decide to printed it and share in some social network. But then at night I started feeling the presence of African being, meaning no offense, but Africans have a characteristic smell and I could smell it, then I opened MY facebook, and some of this umbanda guys had add me on facebook. I decided not to mess with them, they may be of Satan.

 

Magus immortalis, Yes maybe she was sweet like you



 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

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