Question #1205: I know it's something we ( women ) decided. but...

[Ask Satya Operator]

Some days ago I heard a man saying that he should also be part of his wife's abortion decision ( if she does it or not ) because it also affects him like where ? which parts ? because the woman does all the work alone for 9 months.
( I realized that many men share this same opinion) I am not trying to be rude, I just would like to know because I am a woman and it literally makes no sense to me.

 

[BigBeaver]

Hello, it has been talked here:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48908&p=215173&hilit=abortion#p215173

Even so I believe men should have a say in the matter too because it's his child too because if the women have all the say in the matter then men should have all the say in the matter of child support.

 

[Henu the Great]

It would make sense to be decided by the woman only if the man is not around. Ideally, man does support and provides to the family so it makes sense that the decision is by both parties.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Because it is the man's child that is being killed, and he wants his child to live. For a parent, a child dying is the most horrible thing that could ever happen. Of course this is his business.


She is doing all of the work alone for 9 months? Where is her husband? He is supposed to be helping her and taking care of her. The woman takes care of the baby, and the man protects and provides for the woman. Both are necessary.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

She is doing all of the work alone for 9 months? Where is her husband? He is supposed to be helping her and taking care of her. The woman takes care of the baby, and the man protects and provides for the woman. Both are necessary.

A lot of men don't do enough to help though. A heavily pregnant woman can't physically do laundry, or cook (they can't even reach because of the stomach, depends on how the woman grows though, some can still do all that stuff but many cannot). And the man even needs to shave the woman's legs for her. Every pregnant woman I know and am related to, their husband had to shave her legs during the last few months of pregnancy. Many people don't understand the depth of the need for help, the actual daily responsibilities.

Most men these days would rather play video games. There are woman who endanger themselves and the baby while pregnant from doing too much housework because the man does not help, or does not make enough money to hire help during that time.

The problem is society. Many things need to change.

 

[nebu]

Because it is the man's child that is being killed, and he wants his child to live. For a parent, a child dying is the most horrible thing that could ever happen. Of course this is his business.


She is doing all of the work alone for 9 months? Where is her husband? He is supposed to be helping her and taking care of her. The woman takes care of the baby, and the man protects and provides for the woman. Both are necessary.

wow.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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A lot of men don't do enough to help though. A heavily pregnant woman can't physically do laundry, or cook (they can't even reach because of the stomach, depends on how the woman grows though, some can still do all that stuff but many cannot). And the man even needs to shave the woman's legs for her. Every pregnant woman I know and am related to, their husband had to shave her legs during the last few months of pregnancy. Many people don't understand the depth of the need for help, the actual daily responsibilities.

Most men these days would rather play video games. There are woman who endanger themselves and the baby while pregnant from doing too much housework because the man does not help, or does not make enough money to hire help during that time.

The problem is society. Many things need to change.

It is horrible and discusting how worthless so many of our people have become. So many men and women who have depressed and empty lives and do nothing good for the world, or they do crimes against themselves and others.

Any man who is so worthless that he would not help his pregnant wife should never have the opportunity to get anybody pregnant. It is so disgusting how low so many people's standards have gotten. I think this is part of the depression that so many people have. People who are injured physically, mentally, and emotionally do not know how much value they have, so they choose to be with people who have even less value. This is not at all natural and has never happened in any large amounts before recent times but there is so much availability of resources that many people do not need to have any effort to achieve anything. All men used to have to work to create everything they have, and this gave them patience and a mindset of doing whatever is necessary. There are many jobs which needed to be done and nobody else is going to do them, so the man and woman had to work together and each do the jobs that they are good at. Many of these jobs were not comfortable or fun, but they had to be done. Now we have so many people who have always had resources given to them just because we have such a surplus of resources that it is easy to get them, that there are many people who have never had to work as hard as we used to. They are able to live and survive now while being lazy or worthless which was never possible until recently. So they never got the lesson of doing what is necessary.

Look at the Great Depression or any other time when life was difficult in this way. There were people living in little sheds they built from garbage and scrap materials, and with very little money. But they still had large families with sometimes 10 children, and they made it work. They had things like gardens and chickens for eggs every day, and did small jobs to get money for more food. And they made it work. Now we have people in nice houses with all the food they could ever eat, heat and refrigeration, electricity, and any other resource they could want. They have enough resources to raise 20 children but they never have any. Because a child is an enormous amount of work, and people who have never had to do any work are very afraid of this.



Choose people who are strong and healthy in all ways in the soul, in the body, in the mind, and in their actions toward helping other people and the world. Most people are not perfect, and somebody could be helped to become perfect if there are small problems. But that is not an excuse to choose somebody who is a very low quality. Don't compromise and don't drop your standards.

 

[Nikólaos666]

9 month of harakiri? Do you have children? If yes, did your wife was in pain for 9 months? If yes, why didn't she went to see a doctor?

No more life? What do you mean by life? Going out with your friend to party? Making a trip?

The women with whom I have work in the last 15 years have all been able to work again. I don't know where you live, but here women get 70% of their paycheck for 25 weeks then 55% for the 27 weeks. Some companies pay the rest of the salary for their employees for the 52 weeks and some add 2-3 more weeks.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

genes.
he has the right to not reproduce his genes if he chooses not to. some people just use these newfound gene banks.. and boom they can find daddy threw it. it complicates things, if daddy fights against the backgound government.

thats the big thing i can name that men should
have a say in. but the other way around? like saving the baby... they have no right to ask that. a women can die in a pregnancy. every single one if them carries the possibility. like you cannot force people to go threw a routine surgery just for fun....

She decided to have sex which has the very high chance of pregnancy and having a baby. If you don't want a baby, make different choices.

If the man doesn't want a baby, then he shouldn't get her pregnant. If he makes that choice then he gets that result.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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You can talk all you want about those bad medical situations. But that says nothing about the 99.99% of abortions which have zero medical necessity and are only done because the mother does not want to take care of a baby.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

no single word, no even "hello" from "that boy". Just hardest work, out of the house, around the house, wherever. With no love, no gratitude, only reading in your ex-husband's beloved mgtow forum "why don't they consider this a privilege?".

Don't choose to have sex with a worthless and extremely low quality man, and then the child's father will not be a worthless and low quality man. It is that simple. A woman having no standards and letting every worthless low quality man have sex with her will receive the situation you describe because that is her choice. If you have sex with some failure loser who won't even talk to you and he gets you pregnant, that is what you get for making such a bad choice.

A woman who chooses a very high quality man will be in the exact opposite situation, and she will always have him to help her and take care of her and the child in all ways.

 

[Kaemythra]

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She decided to have sex which has the very high chance of pregnancy and having a baby. If you don't want a baby, make different choices.

If the man doesn't want a baby, then he shouldn't get her pregnant. If he makes that choice then he gets that result.

Hello, wouldn't that be "forcing" someone not to have sex just because they might get pregnant? since we don't want children, we shouldn't have sex? And not every contraceptive method is 100%, and I think the person can have the best quality of life possible, not everyone was born to be a mother or father.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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I'm not forcing anybody for anything. It's people being accountable for their own actions, which is a lesson that even 5 year old children understand. If you choose to do something, you get whatever result comes from that. And you can't blame anybody except yourself if you are not happy with the results of your own actions because you are the one who did it.

Sex has a very high chance of creating a child. If you do this, you may end up having a child. If you do not want a child, you are not able to blame anybody except yourself because you made the choice to do an action which may create a child.

This is one example of why it is extremely important to never have sex with any low quality person and only choose a very high quality person. High quality physically, mentally, and in all other ways. Do not compromise and do not settle for anything lower. The physical health needs to be strong both so that the child does not have health problems, and also that the parent will be strong enough to take good care of the child. Because if a parent has any sicknesses or weaknesses, it is likely that the child will also have these. The parent also has to be strong mentally to be a good parent to be smart enough to know what to do, to know how to teach good lessons for the child, and also because the child will inherit the improved intelligence.

Even if there is no child, the idea of sex with a low quality person is absolutely disgusting. You are connecting together your souls and taking things from each other, and you are taking these problems into yourself. If it is a very sick, weak, or stupid person, you are taking sickness, weakness, and stupidity into yourself and damaging your body and soul. If the person is very low quality, this is like drinking sewage.

If you choose only a very high quality partner, this is also ensuring that you are choosing somebody who will be a very high quality parent. And you will never have any problem of this parent not being good enough in any way. It is also true that for a first child, almost nobody feels ready for this or thinks that they are ready. Everybody is nervous and worried, and might be afraid enough that they wish there was no child. But all of this fear goes away once the child is born, and this child becomes the most important thing in the world to the parents.

 

[Kaemythra]

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I'm not forcing anybody for anything. It's people being accountable for their own actions, which is a lesson that even 5 year old children understand. If you choose to do something, you get whatever result comes from that. And you can't blame anybody except yourself if you are not happy with the results of your own actions because you are the one who did it.

Sex has a very high chance of creating a child. If you do this, you may end up having a child. If you do not want a child, you are not able to blame anybody except yourself because you made the choice to do an action which may create a child.

This is one example of why it is extremely important to never have sex with any low quality person and only choose a very high quality person. High quality physically, mentally, and in all other ways. Do not compromise and do not settle for anything lower. The physical health needs to be strong both so that the child does not have health problems, and also that the parent will be strong enough to take good care of the child. Because if a parent has any sicknesses or weaknesses, it is likely that the child will also have these. The parent also has to be strong mentally to be a good parent to be smart enough to know what to do, to know how to teach good lessons for the child, and also because the child will inherit the improved intelligence.

Even if there is no child, the idea of sex with a low quality person is absolutely disgusting. You are connecting together your souls and taking things from each other, and you are taking these problems into yourself. If it is a very sick, weak, or stupid person, you are taking sickness, weakness, and stupidity into yourself and damaging your body and soul. If the person is very low quality, this is like drinking sewage.

If you choose only a very high quality partner, this is also ensuring that you are choosing somebody who will be a very high quality parent. And you will never have any problem of this parent not being good enough in any way. It is also true that for a first child, almost nobody feels ready for this or thinks that they are ready. Everybody is nervous and worried, and might be afraid enough that they wish there was no child. But all of this fear goes away once the child is born, and this child becomes the most important thing in the world to the parents.

I agree with the part about choosing the right partner. But this opinion " only have sex if you want to have children " makes no sense, and you are forced to have the child because the birth control method failed or something, sometimes people just want to have sex.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

But this opinion " only have sex if you want to have children " makes no sense, and you are forced to have the child because the birth control method failed or something, sometimes people just want to have sex.

This is not an opinion, and it is not what I am telling people to do. It is basic reality about the situation and basic consequences for your actions. Cause and effect. Like if you drop something heavy onto your foot, your foot will end up hurting. It is just as simple as this.

If you think you don't want a child, use contraception. Some of these very highly reduce the likelyhood of pregnancy. But know that the chance of pregnancy is never down to zero, and there is a small chance that you might have a child. And just know that you are agreeing to this chance and it is something you need to be ready for. And make sure whoever your partner is is somebody who would make a good parent together with yourself, in case that this does happen.

 

[Novice Priest Karnonnos]

I just want to say that in the Twelve Tables of Ancient Rome the decision whether to keep a defective child or not is given to the father and actually is a duty of the father to enforce on behalf of his duties to the state.

Men are also the Sun, NOT just Mars.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

I just want to say that in the Twelve Tables of Ancient Rome the decision whether to keep a defective child or not is given to the father and actually is a duty of the father to enforce on behalf of his duties to the state.

Men are also the Sun, NOT just Mars.

This is probably because most mothers will love her child "no matter what" and not be in a good logical state after all she went through (pregnancy, childbirth, hormones during pregnancy, oxytocin release after childbirth, the time it takes to recover the body afterwards), so she doesn't want it to be all for nothing.

So this is good, to give the father the decision, as he did not go through all that, so he is able to stay rational and realize that a handicapped child won't be productive to society. The duty to the state is to produce healthy children who will contribute, not handicapped people who will only take.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

force impregnate someone

Not a single person here has ever said any of these insane things you have imagined. So I don't know why you are accusing all of us of these things. There is nobody here supporting rape so why even imagine that?

If you wonder my opinion about rape, I think it deserves the death penalty. Preferably prevented by death penalty before it is able to happen. I strongly believe that nearly all women should have a firearm, and have the practice to be comfortable and good at using it. If somebody tries to rape you, kill him. I say nearly all women and not all women only because a very small percentage are violent criminals, drug addicts, and similar people who would not be trusted with a gun.

And why do you keep ignoring everything that I and other people have been saying about selecting a very high quality person? All you keep talking about are horrible people, human garbage. They are irrelevant as they do not deserve any meaningful position in society. And they do not deserve any woman, unless maybe she is equally as horrible and low quality as himself. And if you will again make up an example about what if this horrible man is a rapist, you already know my answer. Kill him before he is able to rape anybody.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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And I never once said that anybody should be forced to have children, or that everybody should have any children. There are hundreds of millions of low quality people who would not be good parents. I never once even said that I want anybody to have a child.

All I have ever said is for people to have a basic level of self responsibility and to think just a few moments into the future about the effects of their actions. Literally nothing more than the mindset that the average well behaved 3 year old child has. I will not do this action, because then there will be a result that I don't like. Like a 3 year old child knowing I will not break this rule because I don't want to get in trouble. Which if anybody has less mental development than this, I don't know what they are even doing here.



Two people both decide and agree to have sex together. Both of them are fully aware that this might result with a child. Use contraception, because that highly reduces the chance of having a child. But they are still aware that the chance is not zero, and there is a small chance they still could end up with a child. Both of these people have this knowledge, they both understand what these chances are. If they decide to still do this, they both are agreeing to this risk. And they have nobody to blame except themselves if they end up with a result that they did not want because they both agreed to the chances that it could happen.

If you are really extremely determined to never have a child, then don't participate. Do something else. There are many actions you might want to do that will not create a child.

But don't give me that bullshit lie that people are not responsible for their own actions. I have zero patience for that. I never did anything bad when I was young because I learned that lesson when I was 2 years old to think about my actions. "If I do this, I will get in trouble. I don't want to get in trouble, so I won't do it." It is exactly that simple, and I bet if you ask any young child almost all of them will already understand this lesson. We are humans, and we have minds which hold thoughts and awareness. We know what we are doing. If I choose to do something, I am responsible for this and I have nobody to blame except myself. If you choose to do something, you are responsible for this and you have nobody to blame except yourself. The awareness to know what we are doing is what seperates the humans from the monkeys. If somebody else chooses to be a monkey, that is irrelevant because I am speaking to humans.