People with autism, down syndrome and other conditions on the spectrum

[Hesffcs115]

What is the Zevist view on people with conditions like these? is there any hope for people who have this? How can things get better?

 

[darkmonkey666]

Don't know about Downs Syndrome I think that is something serious and I do not know how we will deal with that in the Zevist world but High Functioning Autism like ADHD was mostly a label came up with to describe a certain type of person that didn't fit into the Yehuborim social system very well. Most likely it wasn't considered a problem a lot till more recently as they enslaved the world more. These people usually are smart and gifted in something but often loners. I don't think a lot about this supposed conditon is bad.

Now yes the Serious low functioning autism people have issues and like Downs Syndrome it may be able to be helped maybe there isn't a cure for it I dont know how we will deal with this. But high functioning autism isn't even a problem. In fact more often than not these people achieve a lot for the world it's just they are a little different. Which isn't bad until yehuborim came along.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

Don't know about Downs Syndrome I think that is something serious and I do not know how we will deal with that in the Zevist world but High Functioning Autism like ADHD was mostly a label came up with to describe a certain type of person that didn't fit into the Yehuborim social system very well. Most likely it wasn't considered a problem a lot till more recently as they enslaved the world more. These people usually are smart and gifted in something but often loners. I don't think a lot about this supposed conditon is bad.

Now yes the Serious low functioning autism people have issues and like Downs Syndrome it may be able to be helped maybe there isn't a cure for it I dont know how we will deal with this. But high functioning autism isn't even a problem. In fact more often than not these people achieve a lot for the world it's just they are a little different. Which isn't bad until yehuborim came along.

What is the Zevist view on people with conditions like these? is there any hope for people who have this? How can things get better?

Downs syndrom is incureable since it is an additional chromosome in the cells. Instead of having a pair of 2 theres one chromosome that has 3 copies of itself. Usually the 23rd if I remember correctly. You can't fix this. This is just faulty genetics.

As for people with Autism, they've done scans and especially the severe cases, just simply lack filtering in their brain, basicly their hypopothalamus or something can't keep up with the capacity needed.

This can have astrological reasons. I don't think someone with severe autism can be cured by spiritual means, but for the low/small issues it should be possible.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

Not all autistic people are smart ya know.

 

[xlnt]

I' have mild form of Aspergers (well diagnosed with it at least) and it's very much of a personality as I'm introverted etc. Have some OCD also.
I don't think it's a bogus thing at all but one may question if diagnosis is necessary if the person can work, live as normal etc. Which I'm capable of.

I've read that Aspergers is common among ashkenazi yehuborim but don't know the statistics really there.

 

[darkmonkey666]

I agree with slyscorpion that "high functioning autism" is only a term used to label people who don't fit in, rather than anything actually severe. As someone who is a bit shy in person, tends to respond to things literally, and used not to make many facial expressions, people often assumed I had some form of autism in my teenage years, and a psychiatrist even diagnosed me with Asperger's.

However, after I stopped deliberately repressing my emotions and improved my social skills, the diagnosis was rescinded a few years later by a different psychiatrist. My brother still assumed I was autistic for some time, but since I started meditating I've been smiling more often (because I'm happier), and last year he told me that he doesn't think I'm autistic after all, and that it was simply my intelligence and sensitivity that made it difficult for me to deal with this strange world. I think it's remarkable that simply feeling happier makes the difference between people seeing me as a normal person or "autistic".

Classical autism is where a person behaves like a wild animal and is unable to function in society. They cannot learn to speak and are highly sensitive to crowds, bright lights and loud noises. I've never seen anyone like that so I assume it's very rare. I don't know what exactly causes it, but if it's a neurological problem then perhaps in the future with medical advancements, brain surgery could be used to make them able to learn to use verbal language. From there they might be able to grow as a person and eventually even learn how to live among people. However, I don't know whether or not this would be in line with Zevist values; that is just my own ideal.

As for Down's syndrome, my sister-in-law mentioned that there's screening for that during pregnancy nowadays and that it's recommended to get an abortion if it is detected. Both their physical and mental capabilities are delayed and many never become able to live independently. That said, recently the amount of people with Down's syndrome that are able to live with a limited amount of support seems to have increased, with a small percentage being able reach a point where they can live completely independently. Regardless, it still seems to be a very severe condition for most people afflicted with it, and most never reach such a point.

I recently read that in 1940, an agency of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei approved and organised the involuntary euthanasia of adults and children with severe mental handicaps that made them unable to ever function in society, if a psychiatrist had deemed there was no hope of recovery for them. This was the case for mentally handicapped people cared for by the church or asylums, as well as cases where the parents themselves requested the euthanasia of their child. However, I also read that Lord figure of the past himself wasn't involved in that decision, and suspended the operation a year later. As such, I don't know whether or not it was in line with Zevist values. It was well received by the public at the time because it removed the burden of taking care of handicapped people even during a heated war, but Lord figure of the past's decision to suspend it goes to show that it remains a complex ethical problem.

In my opinion, if in the future ways are found to cure low-functioning autism and Down's syndrome through genetic modification and neurosurgery, that would be ideal. I think it's wrong to force such extreme modifications on anyone, so it should only be done if the afflicted person wants it (or is unable to communicate), but I assume most would. It would have the benefits of eugenics, but without death. Until such a thing is possible, I think it should depend on whether or not they're able to survive, which usually depends on whether or not there are others who want to take care of them. So it would be up to relatives or asylums to decide how to deal with it.

However, high functioning autism should not be treated in such a way, because that's just how some people naturally, and despite other people thinking they're a bit strange sometimes, they're able to function in society just fine. They often even excel at lines of work where precision is needed. Some are great artists too. I think it was wrong to ever call that "autism" in the first place.

A lot of the problem with some of this is "normal" really doesn't exist. I don't think anyone fits the definition of this fully. It would assume almost everyone is the same. It's just a concept that some people really try to achieve and go for but can't.

Yes being happy all the time in this clown world is normal. I remember the thing on the UNNWO website and Facebook page where it said "happiness and smiles will be the new economic and world system" or something like this. Straight up creepy.

I was labeled as autism when I was younger I felt it was an insult cause it meant all sorts of people felt something was wrong with me and that it needs to be fixed when I was doing anything truely terrible or degenerate or anything or "acting like a wild animal" (like you phrased it) I was just simply different and didn't know very well how to be social so I was quiet and stayed to myself.

No one really much sees me as that these days though although I could and maybe will go to a social group related to autism cause they never rescinded my diagnosis I think some of those people are really smart and gifted.

Not all autistic people are smart ya know.

Yes I know some of them are literally to the point of retardation. I am talking about high functioning autism here. Most these people could as they without fixing anything function in society and contribute it's just they may be misunderstood.

I do think serious autism is a problem. Most likely caused by toxins or genetic problems but hight functioning autism and Asperger's may not even be autism as we define it or caused by the same thing and it may just be personality traits some people have or some placements in astrology cause.

I had really only a few friends when I was younger. But I did meet someone who kept a black widow spider as a pet he took me over to his house one time and showed it to me. That's not "normal"

 

[darkmonkey666]

Going on Meteor's description of autism, it makes me wonder if the souls of those people have anything to do with the bear shirts of legend. Inability to cope with loud sounds + certain types of lights, behavior like a wild animal. It sounds just like wild animals. If it's true that they were the bear shirts then those people would make great warriors, and they just wouldn't have a purpose in a society like this where it's either peaceful, or the wars are purely for Yehuborim interests.

It's pure speculation on my part, and honestly I'm probably wrong. Still though it's an interesting bit of conjecture if I do say so myself.

By the way, I was diagnosed with high functioning autism earlier in life (and asperger's at one point too, as well as other diagnoses) by money grubbing psychiatrists. What's interesting however is that I also had trouble coping with loud sounds until I got older (I still have some trouble with that actually, and I would never want to work somewhere with loud machinery). I would cover my ears sometimes in the cafeterias at school, and I remember getting angry at the existence of cars when they would go down the street at home back then because I just wanted peaceful silence.

Maybe it has nothing to do with bear shirts either. Maybe it really is the vaccines because the vaccines seem to be the common denominator in all cases. Why won't the psychiatrists and pharmacists put their siphoned money where their mouths are, and actually study the differences between vaccinated children and unvaccinated children? I would love to see the juxtaposed analyses of that. Because "autism" has blown up like a wonder bomb in its prevalency across the nations. Disorders like this don't just affect large populations out of nowhere and all is normal, no, it has to have a cause. Nowadays it seems like most kids are diagnosed with autism, ADHD, Schizoid PD, and other crap. It's almost like if you don't have a diagnosis then you're not normal, whereas the reverse used to be the case. It's funny.

I think almost everyone can be made to have a place in the world and some kind of purpose. There is no reason to persecute or exclude certain people. I think in the future people will understand these things much more and instead of being labeled as a disorder many things will be adapted too or made to fit into the system.

That's the problem today the Yehubor wants everyone the same a drone a worker bee without a soul a disposable human being who is simply a number and not a person. I would think Zevism would be the opposite. If we really do have people like wild animals (I never saw it myself) then they maybe would be useful in the army or for certain projects or things where these are good traits to have. But most Autistic people are not like this. So I protest this thinking.

 

[Fuchs]

I' have mild form of Aspergers (well diagnosed with it at least) and it's very much of a personality as I'm introverted etc. Have some OCD also.
I don't think it's a bogus thing at all but one may question if diagnosis is necessary if the person can work, live as normal etc. Which I'm capable of.

I've read that Aspergers is common among ashkenazi yehuborim but don't know the statistics really there.

Always keep in mind modern day psychology is build on Freud, a guy who wanted to sleep with his own mother.

If you are happy with your life and you do the Rituals daily, well only a good future lies ahead.

 

[xlnt]

I' have mild form of Aspergers (well diagnosed with it at least) and it's very much of a personality as I'm introverted etc. Have some OCD also.
I don't think it's a bogus thing at all but one may question if diagnosis is necessary if the person can work, live as normal etc. Which I'm capable of.

I've read that Aspergers is common among ashkenazi yehuborim but don't know the statistics really there.

Always keep in mind modern day psychology is build on Freud, a guy who wanted to sleep with his own mother.

If you are happy with your life and you do the Rituals daily, well only a good future lies ahead.

Yes but Hans Asperger himself was not Yehuborim for all I know. He was the one who identified this condition among young boys who he described as "small professors" with a very adult vocabulary and extensive knowledge on a certain special interest, very "nerdy" etc. It's been called "the nerd syndrome". The question again though is if a diagnosis is necessary if it's mainly about a certain personality type. In those cases it feels more like an mark in the forehead to put people down etc. And a diagnosis can put a person down in his/her selfesteem etc. for sure.

There is interesting research to find out the causes of this condition which points to having an "exaggerated male brain".
Among people with Aspergers it's common to think that without people with Aspergers everyone would just chitchat all day and no new inventions would be made etc. Kind of similar to how men in general would imagine a world without men.

I have myself always felt a sort of alienation towards women in general and feel like I almost never have that much in common with them. Growing up I only spoke with my dad as my mother did not give sufficent answers to my questions etc.
I feel most at home with other people who either have Asperger's or who identify themselves as that type of person.

 

[Sundara]

What is the Zevist view on people with conditions like these? is there any hope for people who have this? How can things get better?

It’s possible that it’s over diagnosed. It also is a real rising problem without over diagnosis. The number of people I know who’s children are genuinely autistic is concerning. It wasn’t like this growing up. There would be one or two kids in school with it and the rest were normal. I’m talking arm flapping screaming autistic. Elon Musk has aspergers, and in his case it’s clearly not a setback and he’s turned it into an ability.

In general I think it is simply just who the person is in “mild cases”. For mild off traits a person can just follow what’s on ToZ. Turn it into an ability, a little obsessive over something, a little too honest, a little too much going on in the brain. It is what it is. It’ll level out. If someone can’t speak, and it’s debilitating.. workings that are Mercury related would be of benefit and possibly even runic workings dealing with saturn. It could show up a few different ways in someone’s chart.

Autism, what I have learned, is not from Mercury (the chemical :lol: ) in vaccines but from the immune response that comes from a vaccine. These days, vaccines are given with many viruses packed into one. Then they give multiple of these. Then they pack them all one month apart and repeat the process. It shocks the immune system and damages a persons nervous system. One thing people who just get their information from YouTube don’t understand, and this information is buried in college but it is talked about. There’s other things that can cause autism but its rising prevalence in society also follows along the trend of increased vaccination doses.

This is valuable information to give to someone on either pro or against side of the vaccination fight. A mother’s immune response in utero also effects whether or not a child will be autistic. There haven’t been specific genetics attached to autism yet. It’s not known to be hereditary.

The immune system is not as well understood with science as other bodily systems.

Elon musk definitely isn’t a normal guy, if he wasn’t a possible Yehubor or corrupt as f, he’d really have his shit made. Not always a bad thing to be weird.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Going on Meteor's description of autism, it makes me wonder if the souls of those people have anything to do with the bear shirts of legend. Inability to cope with loud sounds + certain types of lights, behavior like a wild animal. It sounds just like wild animals. If it's true that they were the bear shirts then those people would make great warriors, and they just wouldn't have a purpose in a society like this where it's either peaceful, or the wars are purely for Yehuborim interests.

It's pure speculation on my part, and honestly I'm probably wrong. Still though it's an interesting bit of conjecture if I do say so myself.

By the way, I was diagnosed with high functioning autism earlier in life (and asperger's at one point too, as well as other diagnoses) by money grubbing psychiatrists. What's interesting however is that I also had trouble coping with loud sounds until I got older (I still have some trouble with that actually, and I would never want to work somewhere with loud machinery). I would cover my ears sometimes in the cafeterias at school, and I remember getting angry at the existence of cars when they would go down the street at home back then because I just wanted peaceful silence.

Maybe it has nothing to do with bear shirts either. Maybe it really is the vaccines because the vaccines seem to be the common denominator in all cases. Why won't the psychiatrists and pharmacists put their siphoned money where their mouths are, and actually study the differences between vaccinated children and unvaccinated children? I would love to see the juxtaposed analyses of that. Because "autism" has blown up like a wonder bomb in its prevalency across the nations. Disorders like this don't just affect large populations out of nowhere and all is normal, no, it has to have a cause. Nowadays it seems like most kids are diagnosed with autism, ADHD, Schizoid PD, and other crap. It's almost like if you don't have a diagnosis then you're not normal, whereas the reverse used to be the case. It's funny.

I think almost everyone can be made to have a place in the world and some kind of purpose. There is no reason to persecute or exclude certain people. I think in the future people will understand these things much more and instead of being labeled as a disorder many things will be adapted too or made to fit into the system.

That's the problem today the Yehubor wants everyone the same a drone a worker bee without a soul a disposable human being who is simply a number and not a person. I would think Zevism would be the opposite. If we really do have people like wild animals (I never saw it myself) then they maybe would be useful in the army or for certain projects or things where these are good traits to have. But most Autistic people are not like this. So I protest this thinking.

I haven't really met many autistic people to know, nor have I studied it beyond a surface level. All I can conclude regarding autism with certainty is that the diagnosis is slapped on kids way too liberally, and it's just a drug commission scheme in the best case although most likely more sinister knowing the yehuborim.

Sometimes I lean towards the possibility that bear shirts were just an allegory, but I can't know for sure yet so I hold out for the possibility that they really were a special class of warriors in Norse armies. They had like three different tiers that I know of from my studies. The boars which I forget the name of, the ulfhethnar which means wolf, and the berserkers which means bears.

Obviously my idea was a stretch which I stated, but I thought it was interesting enough to share. My comment was kind of stream of consciousness to an extent, I think.

Ok understood. I don't really know much about Norse culture myself though so not sure I understand that part. Well maybe now is people's time to actually research this. I am not going to by any means say all autistic people are good smart or gifted or can contribute anything. I know for a fact that isn't true. But I don't think we need to label an entire spectrum of people along the lines of "degenerate" or terms along these lines just cause of diagnosis. Same goes for the person who originally came up with that term.

I have met plenty of these people in my life some are actually really good people. I also have researched this before.

I agree with slyscorpion that "high functioning autism" is only a term used to label people who don't fit in, rather than anything actually severe. As someone who is a bit shy in person, tends to respond to things literally, and used not to make many facial expressions, people often assumed I had some form of autism in my teenage years, and a psychiatrist even diagnosed me with Asperger's.

However, after I stopped deliberately repressing my emotions and improved my social skills, the diagnosis was rescinded a few years later by a different psychiatrist. My brother still assumed I was autistic for some time, but since I started meditating I've been smiling more often (because I'm happier), and last year he told me that he doesn't think I'm autistic after all, and that it was simply my intelligence and sensitivity that made it difficult for me to deal with this strange world. I think it's remarkable that simply feeling happier makes the difference between people seeing me as a normal person or "autistic".

Classical autism is where a person behaves like a wild animal and is unable to function in society. They cannot learn to speak and are highly sensitive to crowds, bright lights and loud noises. I've never seen anyone like that so I assume it's very rare. I don't know what exactly causes it, but if it's a neurological problem then perhaps in the future with medical advancements, brain surgery could be used to make them able to learn to use verbal language. From there they might be able to grow as a person and eventually even learn how to live among people. However, I don't know whether or not this would be in line with Zevist values; that is just my own ideal.

As for Down's syndrome, my sister-in-law mentioned that there's screening for that during pregnancy nowadays and that it's recommended to get an abortion if it is detected. Both their physical and mental capabilities are delayed and many never become able to live independently. That said, recently the amount of people with Down's syndrome that are able to live with a limited amount of support seems to have increased, with a small percentage being able reach a point where they can live completely independently. Regardless, it still seems to be a very severe condition for most people afflicted with it, and most never reach such a point.

I recently read that in 1940, an agency of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei approved and organised the involuntary euthanasia of adults and children with severe mental handicaps that made them unable to ever function in society, if a psychiatrist had deemed there was no hope of recovery for them. This was the case for mentally handicapped people cared for by the church or asylums, as well as cases where the parents themselves requested the euthanasia of their child. However, I also read that Lord figure of the past himself wasn't involved in that decision, and suspended the operation a year later. As such, I don't know whether or not it was in line with Zevist values. It was well received by the public at the time because it removed the burden of taking care of handicapped people even during a heated war, but Lord figure of the past's decision to suspend it goes to show that it remains a complex ethical problem.

In my opinion, if in the future ways are found to cure low-functioning autism and Down's syndrome through genetic modification and neurosurgery, that would be ideal. I think it's wrong to force such extreme modifications on anyone, so it should only be done if the afflicted person wants it (or is unable to communicate), but I assume most would. It would have the benefits of eugenics, but without death. Until such a thing is possible, I think it should depend on whether or not they're able to survive, which usually depends on whether or not there are others who want to take care of them. So it would be up to relatives or asylums to decide how to deal with it.

However, high functioning autism should not be treated in such a way, because that's just how some people naturally, and despite other people thinking they're a bit strange sometimes, they're able to function in society just fine. They often even excel at lines of work where precision is needed. Some are great artists too. I think it was wrong to ever call that "autism" in the first place.

 

[Fuchs]

I' have mild form of Aspergers (well diagnosed with it at least) and it's very much of a personality as I'm introverted etc. Have some OCD also.
I don't think it's a bogus thing at all but one may question if diagnosis is necessary if the person can work, live as normal etc. Which I'm capable of.

I've read that Aspergers is common among ashkenazi yehuborim but don't know the statistics really there.

Always keep in mind modern day psychology is build on Freud, a guy who wanted to sleep with his own mother.

If you are happy with your life and you do the Rituals daily, well only a good future lies ahead.

Yes but Hans Asperger himself was not Yehuborim for all I know. He was the one who identified this condition among young boys who he described as "small professors" with a very adult vocabulary and extensive knowledge on a certain special interest, very "nerdy" etc. It's been called "the nerd syndrome". The question again though is if a diagnosis is necessary if it's mainly about a certain personality type. In those cases it feels more like an mark in the forehead to put people down etc. And a diagnosis can put a person down in his/her selfesteem etc. for sure.

People call other people names, what ever, it is important that you know you are good the way you are.
But also aknowledge the same thing in other benevolent people and not solely discard them for not being like you.
Give them a chance.