Our temple is no longer a place for freedom of expression

[Black Magic]

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple. Personally, I ignored these trolls, since they did not harm me, and expressed the opinion that these fools do not deserve our attention. My words were met with hostility, and I was bombarded with a barrage of criticism, mostly for weakness or for supposedly having a Christian mindset, even though I have been a pagan since childhood and have never shown mercy to the Abrahamic faiths in real life. That evening, I merely suggested that these trolls don’t deserve our attention, and then they started trolling me, even though I didn’t insult anyone in response and presented my arguments, which I never insisted on. The Temple teaches ethics, but it seems that Priest @P.alexandrosiown’s ethics consist of trolling me and insisting that I inspire people with my opinions. I don’t know what’s wrong with you; I’ve always called you my brothers and sisters, including in real life, because I spent most of my time serving the Gods in real life, not on the Internet. To be honest, I am shocked and offended by the community’s dismissive attitude toward me, and I am not going to tolerate insults, whether from a priest or anyone else. And just between us, you have hurt me far more than this troll could ever have affected me.
It's better if I just shut up and don't express my opinion, my faith in you has been shaken, but not my faith in the Gods

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

 

[Black Magic]

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple. Personally, I ignored these trolls, since they did not harm me, and expressed the opinion that these fools do not deserve our attention. My words were met with hostility, and I was bombarded with a barrage of criticism, mostly for weakness or for supposedly having a Christian mindset, even though I have been a pagan since childhood and have never shown mercy to the Abrahamic faiths in real life. That evening, I merely suggested that these trolls don’t deserve our attention, and then they started trolling me, even though I didn’t insult anyone in response and presented my arguments, which I never insisted on. The Temple teaches ethics, but it seems that Priest @P.alexandrosiown’s ethics consist of trolling me and insisting that I inspire people with my opinions. I don’t know what’s wrong with you; I’ve always called you my brothers and sisters, including in real life, because I spent most of my time serving the Gods in real life, not on the Internet. To be honest, I am shocked and offended by the community’s dismissive attitude toward me, and I am not going to tolerate insults, whether from a priest or anyone else. And just between us, you have hurt me far more than this troll could ever have affected me.
It's better if I just shut up and don't express my opinion, my faith in you has been shaken, but not my faith in the Gods

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

Speaking of trolls, for some reason I don’t see Zeus hurling lightning bolts at every mocker who decides to make fun of us or even the Gods, sometimes he doesn’t even punish the most malicious offenders. He punishes only those who truly threaten the essence of order itself the Maat. Cursing trolls puts you in a vulnerable position, position of victim, it’s like admitting you’re weak in front of them. I’m not a victim and I'm not weak for sure

 

[Black Magic]

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple. Personally, I ignored these trolls, since they did not harm me, and expressed the opinion that these fools do not deserve our attention. My words were met with hostility, and I was bombarded with a barrage of criticism, mostly for weakness or for supposedly having a Christian mindset, even though I have been a pagan since childhood and have never shown mercy to the Abrahamic faiths in real life. That evening, I merely suggested that these trolls don’t deserve our attention, and then they started trolling me, even though I didn’t insult anyone in response and presented my arguments, which I never insisted on. The Temple teaches ethics, but it seems that Priest @P.alexandrosiown’s ethics consist of trolling me and insisting that I inspire people with my opinions. I don’t know what’s wrong with you; I’ve always called you my brothers and sisters, including in real life, because I spent most of my time serving the Gods in real life, not on the Internet. To be honest, I am shocked and offended by the community’s dismissive attitude toward me, and I am not going to tolerate insults, whether from a priest or anyone else. And just between us, you have hurt me far more than this troll could ever have affected me.
It's better if I just shut up and don't express my opinion, my faith in you has been shaken, but not my faith in the Gods

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

Now I understand why Nemesis was smiled upon me, because I was humble, cursing those fools who attacked TOZ or even the Gods it's a pure Hubris, why? Because I believe the Gods are powerful and they're can protect themselves, I never believed in the weak gods, weak gods are not gods of mine

 

[Henu the Great]

Now I understand why Nemesis was smiled upon me, because I was humble, cursing those fools who attacked TOZ or even the Gods it's a pure Hubris, why? Because I believe the Gods are powerful and they're can protect themselves, I never believed in the weak gods, weak gods are not gods of mine

You act as if you know better than a Priest. A member of the Clergy. Think about that for a second.

 

[Black Magic]

You act as if you know better than a Priest. A member of the Clergy. Think about that for a second.

i know myself, i meet Nemesis, i've made my own conclusions. Moreover, even in the old JOS it was said that there can be no intermediaries between people and Gods. I admire the zevists and clergy, but the truth is more precious to me

 

[Nikólaos666]

You think you had contact with Nemesis yesterday and all of a sudden, you are protected by her because you questionned the decision of the Priest? We literally asked Nemesis to help us in the matter.

 

[Amethystos]

No, my friend. Rather, you sound like an arrogant and very unwise person, thinking you know better than the Priesthood and the Gods. And regarding to the Gods not punishing people who mock them, where did you get this nonsense from? Of course they do punish them. Just because you do not see the punishment in this life does not mean that in the end they will not be punished. You are foolish. Think about yourself and meditate.

 

[laurentum]

i know myself, i meet Nemesis, i've made my own conclusions. Moreover, even in the old JOS it was said that there can be no intermediaries between people and Gods. I admire the zevists and clergy, but the truth is more precious to me

Thing is, there are mediators otherwise people just make up stories. Clergy are our mediators.

 

[Nikólaos666]

Now I understand why Nemesis was smiled upon me, because I was humble, cursing those fools who attacked TOZ or even the Gods it's a pure Hubris, why? Because I believe the Gods are powerful and they're can protect themselves, I never believed in the weak gods, weak gods are not gods of mine

You need to understand the difference about dumb troll and those who attack the Temple and try to block us. Not the same thing.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

i know myself, i meet Nemesis, i've made my own conclusions. Moreover, even in the old JOS it was said that there can be no intermediaries between people and Gods. I admire the zevists and clergy, but the truth is more precious to me

If you are interested in the truth, none of what you say is the truth. In reality, the Gods do mandate that we self defend ourselves. If one is walking down the street with their wife and they are attacked, one must defend their wife, not just say "Nemesis will handle it". Unless you live in wonderland, you would understand how these things work, and what true disrespect it is to the Gods, to heap human affairs on them and essentially by extending your irrationality, allow all injustice to reign supreme.

None of what you say, makes any objective sense. This also goes to show, how much confusion is heaped upon the line of no "mediators".

In the real world, there are two notions of justice; one is human action, the second is Divine. The latter concerns itself with very serious crimes, the first, must exist in order to keep a balanced society.

This is not about disagreement, trolling, being edgy, being unliked etc, it's about people attempting to literally take down this place.
There have been extensive DDOS attacks, e-mail attacks to disable all of ToZ, accounts of Clergy, and generalized criminal subversion against the ToZ? Will Zeus come down to install a DDOS protection program, or we would be tasked to actually do this? Do you think we would, or will Nemesis install a firewall, for example?

In this context you just preach disarmament, Ghandi nonsense, and as a consequential result, just injustice and allowing the Temple to be attacked by every monkey and primate, because "Gods exist". It's exactly because the Gods exist, that the Temple must be defended from these material acts.

DDOS'ing and all the acts they do, are not only illegal, but are (failed) attempts to stifle operations.

 

[Black Magic]

If you are interested in the truth, none of what you say is the truth. In reality, the Gods do mandate that we self defend ourselves. If one is walking down the street with their wife and they are attacked, one must defend their wife, not just say "Nemesis will handle it". Unless you live in wonderland, you would understand how these things work, and what true disrespect it is to the Gods, to heap human affairs on them and essentially by extending your irrationality, allow all injustice to reign supreme.

None of what you say, makes any objective sense. This also goes to show, how much confusion is heaped upon the line of no "mediators".

In the real world, there are two notions of justice; one is human action, the second is Divine. The latter concerns itself with very serious crimes, the first, must exist in order to keep a balanced society.

This is not about disagreement, trolling, being edgy, being unliked etc, it's about people attempting to literally take down this place.
There have been extensive DDOS attacks, e-mail attacks to disable all of ToZ, accounts of Clergy, and generalized criminal subversion against the ToZ? Will Zeus come down to install a DDOS protection program, or we would be tasked to actually do this? Do you think we would, or will Nemesis install a firewall, for example?

In this context you just preach disarmament, Ghandi nonsense, and as a consequential result, just injustice and allowing the Temple to be attacked by every monkey and primate, because "Gods exist". It's exactly because the Gods exist, that the Temple must be defended from these material acts.

DDOS'ing and all the acts they do, are not only illegal, but are (failed) attempts to stifle operations.

The ritual against the enemies and those trols was performed by me, how do I know that they were punished and what if they're wont gonna be punished? because if they are not gona be punished, it will only confirm my words that the Gods are not interested in trolls and it's all just sophistry and waste of time

 

[Black Magic]

Thing is, there are mediators otherwise people just make up stories. Clergy are our mediators.

If we're on the same website, meaning we use the same practices, then the question is how do you interpret certain events when u doing those practices and rituals? after all, we all just a human beign, i never said im perfect or something

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

It was explained to you before. What we safely ignore is someone who does a harmless prank, like puts a whoopee cushion on your seat. Someone who does an attack (attacks website integrity) cannot be safely ignored.

Further, it does not matter if you are "above them" or not. Yes, in most cases, a person who attacks is a lowly individual. However, because they attack, we have to defend. Their low status is not an excuse or shield for them hurting us.

 

[Black Magic]

It was explained to you before. What we safely ignore is someone who does a harmless prank, like puts a whoopee cushion on your seat. Someone who does an attack (attacks website integrity) cannot be safely ignored.

Further, it does not matter if you are "above them" or not. Yes, in most cases, a person who attacks is a lowly individual. However, because they attack, we have to defend. Their low status is not an excuse or shield for them hurting us.

Did the Gods punished them people like before? Why are these people not afraid of anything? As far as I remember, JOS had the same problem. And it looks like it hasn't disappeared anywhere

 

[Black Magic]

Did the Gods punished them people like before? Why are these people not afraid of anything? As far as I remember, JOS had the same problem. And it looks like it hasn't disappeared anywhere

Did the Gods punished people like them before? Why are these people not afraid of anything? As far as I remember, JOS had the same problem. And it looks like it hasn't disappeared anywhere***

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Did the Gods punished them people like before? Why are these people not afraid of anything? As far as I remember, JOS had the same problem. And it looks like it hasn't disappeared anywhere

The Gods are involved in all elements of justice, but there is also the human element of free will, too. For whatever reason, the aggressors have justified their actions to themselves. They believe either they are right or that the potential cost is worth it.

What we do by our own actions is make it so that any attacks are not worthwhile, and this sets our boundary and defends our space. It does not matter if the attackers are new or old people, knowing or unknowing of the consequence. We defend ourselves first and maintain our Temple space.

The safe Temple space is what allows us to operate and grow without worrying. Once order is established, this allows everyone to mentally move on and ignore any potential trolling or intrusions. Lack of order = visible crime which disturbs people and their growth.

 

[Black Magic]

The Gods are involved in all elements of justice, but there is also the human element of free will, too. For whatever reason, the aggressors have justified their actions to themselves. They believe either they are right or that the potential cost is worth it.

What we do by our own actions is make it so that any attacks are not worthwhile, and this sets our boundary and defends our space. It does not matter if the attackers are new or old people, knowing or unknowing of the consequence. We defend ourselves first and maintain our Temple space.

The safe Temple space is what allows us to operate and grow without worrying. Once order is established, this allows everyone to mentally move on and ignore any potential trolling or intrusions. Lack of order = visible crime which disturbs people and their growth.

Free will is a philosophical question, how do we know that free will exists and that it is not fate?

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Free will is a philosophical question, how do we know that free will exists and that it is not fate?

Free will is the individual judgement and action made within a given circumstance. Fate places us inside circumstances; free will determines our choices within such circumstances.

The Gods see the entire situation and to which extent the individual acted either due to free will or fate.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Did the Gods punished people like them before? Why are these people not afraid of anything? As far as I remember, JOS had the same problem. And it looks like it hasn't disappeared anywhere***

Yes. If we go by history here, almost nobody who has attempted to do major damage to the Gods or what's theirs, has remained. Maybe they had temporarily caused headaches, but in the end, terrible things have fallen upon them through this practice. It was always counter-productive for them to attempt attacking the Gods or other Zevists. But they are blinded to this fact for temporary games.

A monkey is also blinded on the negative consequences of infinite food, that doesn't make obesity a non danger for it. It just doesn't understand it's potential consequences.

I see you have a tendency to philosophize brother. Not everything is a major philosophy. Some things are really simple in this world.

 

[SoulSails]

Speaking of trolls, for some reason I don’t see Zeus hurling lightning bolts at every mocker who decides to make fun of us or even the Gods, sometimes he doesn’t even punish the most malicious offenders. He punishes only those who truly threaten the essence of order itself the Maat. Cursing trolls puts you in a vulnerable position, position of victim, it’s like admitting you’re weak in front of them. I’m not a victim and I'm not weak for sure

This situation is clearly far more than just mere mockery, why do you downplay the actions of this filth?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Why is it always the 2 month old accounts who act as if they are prominent and important members? Or pretend as if they have been here for many years? When everyone can see that the account is 2 months and 2 days old. Or act as if they are better than the High Priests or even the Gods themselves? Or work to defend trolls and enemy agents? Or work only to attempt to cause arguments and confusion?

As such a recent beginner, the focus should just be on trying to learn as much as possible. Not to instead try to tear down what has been built by greater men.

It is not necessary to answer these questions because it is already known.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

The yehuborim are terrified of the world being aware of their centuries of crimes against humanity, and for all of the world to be actively witnessing and holding them accountable for their entire history of crimes. They are getting very anxious.


Meanwhile the calmness and confidence of the Zevist who knows the Gods.

 

[Heimdall]

You are like someone who goes into a car show and sees a beautiful Ferrari and would love to own it, but would you even know how to drive it?
You want the things you want without the responsibility or accountability.
If you are not just whinging and making excuses, then get serious and meditate. Then you will advance, become more wise, and probably come back and apologise for your foolishness.

 

[Heimdall]

Why is it always the 2 month old accounts who act as if they are prominent and important members? Or pretend as if they have been here for many years? When everyone can see that the account is 2 months and 2 days old. Or act as if they are better than the High Priests or even the Gods themselves? Or work to defend trolls and enemy agents? Or work only to attempt to cause arguments and confusion?

As such a recent beginner, the focus should just be on trying to learn as much as possible. Not to instead try to tear down what has been built by greater men.

It is not necessary to answer these questions because it is already known.

Not all of the new members Ol argedco.
Some of us don't pretend, but are honest and truthful on our path with the Gods, and have genuine love for HP Zevios Matathronos and the community here.

 

[Black Magic]

Why is it always the 2 month old accounts who act as if they are prominent and important members? Or pretend as if they have been here for many years? When everyone can see that the account is 2 months and 2 days old. Or act as if they are better than the High Priests or even the Gods themselves? Or work to defend trolls and enemy agents? Or work only to attempt to cause arguments and confusion?

As such a recent beginner, the focus should just be on trying to learn as much as possible. Not to instead try to tear down what has been built by greater men.

It is not necessary to answer these questions because it is already known.

U haven't read that I just said, I was with JOS long time ago without account, but if you can't believe that people can create new accounts even if they've been initiated for a very long time, I feel sorry for you, whoever you are

 

[Black Magic]

This situation is clearly far more than just mere mockery, why do you downplay the actions of this filth?

I have something to compare with, If these trolls were previously members of JOS, then I will pray for their correction, and if they are Abrahamists, then for their destruction

 

[Azure Veil]

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean they removed your freedom of expression. They didn't censor or ban you for saying that, did they?

 

[Black Magic]

I am also a Zevist, I was enitiated since childhood, all the yehubors all the abrahamists who attacked me are now thriving, healthy, and richer than me. The Gods didn't destroy any of them, but I finished only one with my own hands physically because i was run of my patience. The Gods are not babysitters they don't do all the work for us for sure and i can see that clearly. All the curses I did were useless and the Gods always responded to me only at the moment when I was looking for the truth but not punish the enemies and those enemies usualy muslims
Perhaps I'm motivated by resentment here because I see that enemies haven't been punished, but they continue to live totaly fine

and now I will explain the root of my resentment - why should the Gods destroy the trolls who attacked the others Zevists when they showed mercy to people who physically threatened me and slandered me for my views?

 

[Black Magic]

and now I will explain the root of my resentment - why should the Gods destroy the trolls who attacked the others Zevists when they showed mercy to people who physically threatened me and slandered me for my views?

but I haven't been angry with anyone for a long time and I don't want any revenge, these are all unnecessary emotions that are not worth my attention, and I even stopped paying attention to this injustice. I just focused on myself and my spirituality instead of fighting countless hordes of enemies, and since I gave up politics to the end and since I focused on myself and the gods, life has become much calmer

 

[Black Magic]

Free will is the individual judgement and action made within a given circumstance. Fate places us inside circumstances; free will determines our choices within such circumstances.

The Gods see the entire situation and to which extent the individual acted either due to free will or fate.

Then the question is, when we do the Nemesis Ritual for example, does Nemesis decide who to punish and how to administer justice? or are we taking the energy of Nemesis and channeling it in the right direction?

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

You act as if you know better than a Priest. A member of the Clergy. Think about that for a second.

Aside from maybe HPZM, I actually am for criticising everyone where necessary. Let's not create an environment where people become immune to criticism just because of rank. That's how you end up with personality cults. Notice how it was so hard for many of us to accept HPS Maxine was wrong about many things. Why do you want us to repeat the same cycles? Let people call out even clergy, provided they're not trolling or being assholes.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

If you are interested in the truth, none of what you say is the truth. In reality, the Gods do mandate that we self defend ourselves. If one is walking down the street with their wife and they are attacked, one must defend their wife, not just say "Nemesis will handle it". Unless you live in wonderland, you would understand how these things work, and what true disrespect it is to the Gods, to heap human affairs on them and essentially by extending your irrationality, allow all injustice to reign supreme.

None of what you say, makes any objective sense. This also goes to show, how much confusion is heaped upon the line of no "mediators".

In the real world, there are two notions of justice; one is human action, the second is Divine. The latter concerns itself with very serious crimes, the first, must exist in order to keep a balanced society.

This is not about disagreement, trolling, being edgy, being unliked etc, it's about people attempting to literally take down this place.
There have been extensive DDOS attacks, e-mail attacks to disable all of ToZ, accounts of Clergy, and generalized criminal subversion against the ToZ? Will Zeus come down to install a DDOS protection program, or we would be tasked to actually do this? Do you think we would, or will Nemesis install a firewall, for example?

In this context you just preach disarmament, Ghandi nonsense, and as a consequential result, just injustice and allowing the Temple to be attacked by every monkey and primate, because "Gods exist". It's exactly because the Gods exist, that the Temple must be defended from these material acts.

DDOS'ing and all the acts they do, are not only illegal, but are (failed) attempts to stifle operations.

This is very serious. If there are any public rituals to protect the temple, I'd love to partake. Cursed be such vermin.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

It was explained to you before. What we safely ignore is someone who does a harmless prank, like puts a whoopee cushion on your seat. Someone who does an attack (attacks website integrity) cannot be safely ignored.

Further, it does not matter if you are "above them" or not. Yes, in most cases, a person who attacks is a lowly individual. However, because they attack, we have to defend. Their low status is not an excuse or shield for them hurting us.

Indeed Guardian. I am not on VT yet so I hope there's public rituals to curse the people doing these serious attacks.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

The ritual against the enemies and those trols was performed by me, how do I know that they were punished and what if they're wont gonna be punished? because if they are not gona be punished, it will only confirm my words that the Gods are not interested in trolls and it's all just sophistry and waste of time

Hey brother, don't go down the path of disrespecting the Gods. They are absolutely very powerful. However, they created us with all our capabilities and so they certainly expect us to act like it. We can't just sit and let hackers and other scum attack us "because the Gods". I do believe the Gods can handle stuff beyond us and do, say state sponsored threat actors.

But we can't just let random enemies group up and attack us as they please. If you're walking down the street and someone attacks you, I expect you to knock them out. Same story here. I'm glad you joined in on the rituals. They absolutely work, anyone who's been around for at least a year knows that.

I hope you resolve your issues with the Priest brother.

 

[Henu the Great]

Aside from maybe HPZM, I actually am for criticising everyone where necessary. Let's not create an environment where people become immune to criticism just because of rank. That's how you end up with personality cults. Notice how it was so hard for many of us to accept HPS Maxine was wrong about many things. Why do you want us to repeat the same cycles? Let people call out even clergy, provided they're not trolling or being assholes.

If you were part of the situation, you would not comment this way. Obviously, it was not about cultish behavior, but a legitimate call for action by the Clergy. Then a newbie comes along and starts "cricic" based on a lack of understanding of the situation. So much for that criticism. Quite honestly, I have yet to see much real reason for criticism. Minor things, mainly. Some things that will correct themselves as time goes by. Not something like the birth of a personality cult. Lol.

 

[Black Magic]

Aside from maybe HPZM, I actually am for criticising everyone where necessary. Let's not create an environment where people become immune to criticism just because of rank. That's how you end up with personality cults. Notice how it was so hard for many of us to accept HPS Maxine was wrong about many things. Why do you want us to repeat the same cycles? Let people call out even clergy, provided they're not trolling or being assholes.

actualy i made one mistake, i gonna write about that in another one article to say my appology

 

[Black Magic]

If you were part of the situation, you would not comment this way. Obviously, it was not about cultish behavior, but a legitimate call for action by the Clergy. Then a newbie comes along and starts "cricic" based on a lack of understanding of the situation. So much for that criticism. Quite honestly, I have yet to see much real reason for criticism. Minor things, mainly. Some things that will correct themselves as time goes by. Not something like the birth of a personality cult. Lol.

i repeat, i was with JOS more than 10 years

 

[Black Magic]

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean they removed your freedom of expression. They didn't censor or ban you for saying that, did they?

 

[Khem Nefermed]

birburbirburbir, birbur, bur bur, bir, bir bir bur (...) bir bur.

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

Hello there, mister modified sigil.

Yes, we are now a highly censoring community that will highly censor illegal and dangerous content.
We are also now a very evil community that will not take Ddos attempts, impersonation, "trolling" (spamming members to the point where many had email issues) and other related crimes lying down.
We retaliate with our evil powers and use our evil authority to enforce evil control over freedom of speech so we don't go to jail because of people who haven't lifted a finger for us.

Get with the program or don't.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

U haven't read that I just said, I was with JOS long time ago without account, but if you can't believe that people can create new accounts even if they've been initiated for a very long time, I feel sorry for you, whoever you are

Yes this is the same story every time. Maybe it is true for you. In almost all other examples of people saying this, it is usually not true.