Other Satanists

[scorpiorising]

I'm a fairly new Zevism and to JoS.

So, I am curious to know...

I saw quite a few posts on other social media networks what other Satanists thought of JoS. They seem to be very repulsed by JoS Zevism's.

Since I'm new, I have to fulfill my natural curiosity by asking if Zevism of JoS consider other Satanists as Satanists, equally? Or do JoS Zevism's see self (as group) as totally different and differentiated from others?

What is it that sets JoS Zevism's from other types of Satanists?

What do other Satanists do/believe differently than Zevism's of JoS?

I see many other types of Satanists (who call themselves traditional or even spiritual Satanists) post things of Aleister Crowley.

These are what I wonder. And it's not that I doubt JoS per sé. You know, being new and still learning/doing as much as I can and being a naturally curious person, I had to ask these questions so that I may have a clearer understanding.

Thank you.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

I'm a fairly new Zevism and to JoS.

So, I am curious to know...

I saw quite a few posts on other social media networks what other Satanists thought of JoS. They seem to be very repulsed by JoS Zevism's.

Since I'm new, I have to fulfill my natural curiosity by asking if Zevism of JoS consider other Satanists as Satanists, equally? Or do JoS Zevism's see self (as group) as totally different and differentiated from others?

What is it that sets JoS Zevism's from other types of Satanists?

What do other Satanists do/believe differently than Zevism's of JoS?

I see many other types of Satanists (who call themselves traditional or even spiritual Satanists) post things of Aleister Crowley.

These are what I wonder. And it's not that I doubt JoS per sé. You know, being new and still learning/doing as much as I can and being a naturally curious person, I had to ask these questions so that I may have a clearer understanding.

Thank you.

Outsider Satanists are lacking the full truth and tend to delude themselves in the comfort of corrupted lies. They tend to practice harmful or useless means of spiritual power and severely lack proper guidance.

Joy of Satan was actually practically created by Satan himself through our founder HPS Pythia. You can't get more True Satanist than here. We have members here who have been part of the ministries for years, advanced members with direct communications with our gods and demons and real spiritual capabilities.

I personally don't hate outsider Satanists any more than I hate deluded newbies here in JoS, but I don't like them either, ultimately they are no concern of mine until they become a direct problem to members as a whole here. All in all I think I speak for everyone here when I say we could care less about their endeavors of which diverts onto a blurred road that leaves too much room for falsehood and enemy manipulation. If you think with common sense, we're hated by so many, even other 'satanists', for a reason.

Because we're real, and some people can't handle real.

 

[Seby]

JoS is the only Satanism. The others are hoaxes.

 

[GG Allin]

I'm a fairly new Zevism and to JoS.

So, I am curious to know...

I saw quite a few posts on other social media networks what other Satanists thought of JoS. They seem to be very repulsed by JoS Zevism's.

Since I'm new, I have to fulfill my natural curiosity by asking if Zevism of JoS consider other Satanists as Satanists, equally? Or do JoS Zevism's see self (as group) as totally different and differentiated from others?

What is it that sets JoS Zevism's from other types of Satanists?

What do other Satanists do/believe differently than Zevism's of JoS?

I see many other types of Satanists (who call themselves traditional or even spiritual Satanists) post things of Aleister Crowley.

These are what I wonder. And it's not that I doubt JoS per sé. You know, being new and still learning/doing as much as I can and being a naturally curious person, I had to ask these questions so that I may have a clearer understanding.

Thank you.

I consider someone is a satanist if he does the Final Ritual, so we don´t get assimilated into the borg massmind of the enemy.
About crowley--->
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=18469&p=72026&hilit=crowley#p72026

From this point of view everybody who does nothing is not a satanist.

 

[Stormblood]

Aside from what has already been stated by the rest, there is no other Spiritual Satanism. The use of Spiritual together with Satanism was coined by High Priestess Pythia. It didn't exist before JoS was created.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

All the other ones are based on qlippoth or goetia, which are collections of curses and spiritual poisons from the middle ages written by christians. All just nonsense lists of ways to invoke christian curses and thoughtforms, instructions to chant curses into your own soul hundreds of times which would rip your soul apart and cause insanity if someone does it, and a bunch of wiccan nonsense all mixed together. All programs created by mideival christians as a way to purposefully poison their enemies. This is what Crowley is about, he would chant all these curses into himself, connect himself with thousands of destructive thought-forms and curses, and doing all kinds of drugs.

Read these 4 topics, these are the dumb nonsense things that all the other "satanist" groups are built from.

Satanism and Goetia http://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10657

Goetic Enns? Fake and Disrespectful, or Legit? http://Www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5688

The Qlippothic Kabbalah http://Www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3089&p=17839

Qlippoth http://Www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1695


What we are about here is actually working on empowering and healing our souls by using actual traditional methods that have been used in every ancient culture all over the world. The Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Indian, Chinese, South American, African, all the greatest and most advanced cultures all over the world all had the exact same beliefs and the exact same actions of how to take care of the soul and make it stronger. This is what we are about here. We do not have anything new here, it is not anything that was not also central importance to Egypt and Greece, and every other place.

While all the other dumb groups completely ignore all of history, they are not about anything from the world's Golden Age cultures. The only thing those groups are about is some nonsense that some dumb christians pulled out of their ass 500 years ago. The same christians who murdered all pagans and burnt them alive, and these groups go to that same christian and do what he said. And it's all a nonsense mix of curses, lies, insanity, christianity, and pretending to be something dumb like a werewolf or a vampire. You find some homeless drug person at the train station shouting all kinds of mixed up nonsense, and he is about the same as those qlippoth losers.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

If you want to know what we are about and how it connects with the rest of history, read this.
Satan Lucifer The Lord of The World
http://Www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=182
If you think this is interesting and want to learn more after reading that one, you can click the Joy of Satan logo at the top of the screen and it will bring you to the Board Index page where you can see subforum areas. Then you can click the section called "Important Articles From The JOS Ministries." This whole section is full of articles like the one above, you can go to the last page in there to find the oldest topics there and find a lot of very interesting things. The newer articles are just as important, but a lot of topics were already written about in the oldest topics there.

To learn more about what the enemy is about, read these websites.
http://www.https://templeofzeus.org/LiturgicalTerms.php
http://www.kabbalahexposed.com


If you want to learn about how the oldest cultures and religions in Africa were the same Satanism we have here now, and the same as all the other Golden Age cultures around the world, you can read this website
http://www.blacksforsatan.org


We here of Joy of Satan are the same culture that has existed all over the world since the beginning of humanity. It is pure nature.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

Since we have direct protection from Satan and His Demons, as we are in full accordance to what they want, which is for them to be known to the world, the ancient faiths restored, and a peaceful environment for their followers to grow in Satanism and advancing spiritually, but also positive social change away from the three things Satan hates: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. This includes all the traditional values of Satanism both philosophical and otherwise such as advancement of science, common sense, restoration of nature and respect to it.

This part especially is very inspiring. This planet, and our civilization, is going to be so beautiful, once Spiritual Satanism is open and everywhere

 

[Wayofthegods]

Since we have direct protection from Satan and His Demons, as we are in full accordance to what they want, which is for them to be known to the world, the ancient faiths restored, and a peaceful environment for their followers to grow in Satanism and advancing spiritually, but also positive social change away from the three things Satan hates: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. This includes all the traditional values of Satanism both philosophical and otherwise such as advancement of science, common sense, restoration of nature and respect to it.

This part especially is very inspiring. This planet, and our civilization, is going to be so beautiful, once Spiritual Satanism is open and everywhere

The saying when in Rome do as the Roman's will come back.

 

[NinRick]

I'm a fairly new Zevism and to JoS.

So, I am curious to know...

I saw quite a few posts on other social media networks what other Satanists thought of JoS. They seem to be very repulsed by JoS Zevism's.

Since I'm new, I have to fulfill my natural curiosity by asking if Zevism of JoS consider other Satanists as Satanists, equally? Or do JoS Zevism's see self (as group) as totally different and differentiated from others?

What is it that sets JoS Zevism's from other types of Satanists?

What do other Satanists do/believe differently than Zevism's of JoS?

I see many other types of Satanists (who call themselves traditional or even spiritual Satanists) post things of Aleister Crowley.

These are what I wonder. And it's not that I doubt JoS per sé. You know, being new and still learning/doing as much as I can and being a naturally curious person, I had to ask these questions so that I may have a clearer understanding.

Thank you.

I have had the same question.
Well in my view, all Satanists who are TRUE SATANISTS are my brother and sisters. Be it inside the JoS or outside of it.
The only issue is that most Satanists are fake. So if I meet a Satanist outside of JoS, I don’t even consider them to be true Satanists.
Well if they believe in Satan, and see Satan as their own god, then I am able to give them much credit for it and respect them, and I would try to show them JoS.
With JoS we have another problem not all useres here on the forums are Satanists aswell. Some if them are the enemy, some of them are just random freaks, drug addicts etc. So not even here all people you meet are satanists, if you ask me.

And then we have Satanist who have dedicated their soul to father Satan, and who will be protected by Father and the gods. The problem is, that some people have dedicated BUT they don’t do shit. They don’t meditate and they don’t do the Rituals and they don’t do material work for Satan, like promoting Satan, our Gods and Satanism in the right way.
Those guys are „Children“ in my view. Satan takes care of them, but they don’t want to grow up. So they are not really strong Satanists.

Now STRONG Satanist are Satanist who are ready to fucking die for Satan. But Satan doesn‘t want you to die, nor is it helpful, it is the opposite, when you die Satan has to take care even more for you. So if you are really ready to die for Satan, then do WORK FOR SATAN.
Meditate, try to become as strong as you can get, do the Rituals, and do material work for Satan, be it to fight the enemy in someway or to promote Satanism.

Sorry for my long aswere lol

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

Since we have direct protection from Satan and His Demons, as we are in full accordance to what they want, which is for them to be known to the world, the ancient faiths restored, and a peaceful environment for their followers to grow in Satanism and advancing spiritually, but also positive social change away from the three things Satan hates: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. This includes all the traditional values of Satanism both philosophical and otherwise such as advancement of science, common sense, restoration of nature and respect to it.

This part especially is very inspiring. This planet, and our civilization, is going to be so beautiful, once Spiritual Satanism is open and everywhere

Just a few days ago while 'projecting' onto the astral to do renovations on my temple, a demon had suddenly brought me to his room on Duat for company and friendship during my bout of loneliness, and I simply cannot describe how immensely pleasant and harmonic that entire planet's energies are.

I wanted to cry, it was unbelievable. The energy and air felt so clean, it was like I could 'breathe' better, all the colours felt so much more alive and it was like an entire invisible binding veil was gone, like a suffocating shroud was entirely absent, I simply can't explain the feeling. I still remember it so clearly and it still almost brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.

I felt Satan's energy everywhere, so much so that I would've mistaken the demon I was with for Satan himself if not for intuitively telling otherwise. It felt like everything was free and expansive and not confined and choking, like my mind could extend further and beyond the visible environment around me, it felt so open like a boundless field of vibrant green grass in the sunlight with air so pure you could almost touch it like the softest of silk.

That was my first time on Duat and I could hardly even focus on the companionship of the demon because I was so shaken and in shock with how beautiful it felt to simply be there, and I didn't even see outside the room that's how beautiful and free it felt to even just be indoors. It motivated me immensely in what we're fighting for. I desperately want our planet to be like that because that felt nothing like our Earth as it is now. I want it to be so.

We have to save this planet.

 

[afl666]

Hello,

I have seen that many members have answered your questions, I do not yet have the same knowledge and wisdom that they have; but I would like to share with you my experience that I had in a "satanist" group before I met JoS and who knows I can help you.

1) For you to make the covenant with Satan (that's what they call dedication), you must have the permission of the "master" and the "priestess"; for it is they who determine who can or cannot make the covenant

2) You have to buy the "master's" books to have access to the "prayers" and some "rituals

3) In order to participate in study groups both via whatsapp and Facebook, you must have their approval

4) For the most powerful "rituals" and "prayers", you have to answer a questionnaire to be accepted on Facebook

5) The "priestess" always teaches that "Satanists" can commit crimes without the slightest problem, because Satan and demons always deliver "Satanists" from the possible consequences of their actions

6) They have a "prayer" where the Satanist who feels he no longer has the strength to fight, it is only by praying this prayer that Satan kills this Satanist

7) There is a devil for each day of the week that you must invoke and a prayer of your own

8) If you ask any questions or do not agree with any of their positions, you are expelled from the group

9) There you do not talk with Satan or demons, because only the "master" and the "priesthood" have this right and this occurs through incorporation of the "master"; where during the sessions are always watered with cigars and alcoholic beverages that Satan and demons drink (if you have ever been in any macumba, umbanda or candomblé yard, you will see that it is the same way)

To conclude, here at JoS you don't need permission from HP's to make your Dedication to Satan, you don't have to buy a book from anyone to have access to knowledge, access to the Forum is for whoever you want, you have the help and guidance from HP's and members whenever you need it, everyone can talk to Satan and the Gods (it only depends on you and your development), you have the site that is full of knowledge and guidance.

If you still have questions, read all the Forum posts (I know it will take a long time); read the site and reflect a lot and then make your decision.

As I said in the beginning, I don't have the wisdom of HP's and other members; but I hope my experience can help you.

 

[scorpiorising]

Thank you so much for all of your clarity. Much appreciated.

I have an Instagram account and just doing a search by hashtags of "spiritualsatanists" brings up so many accounts of "satanists" with Crowley. My intuition tells me these Satanists do not have a clear understanding of Satan or of being a true Satanist. And also, what I noticed is the pentagram with circle and Hebrew letters. Even within the Satanic community, clearly, so many are clueless. They're blind, following whatever is on the surface.

Just doesn't make any sense.

I'm only an almost year old baby Satanist, soaking in all the info here and the main site slowly so that I don't mentally overwhelm myself. But even as a baby Satanist, I sense there is something not right with the other Satanists.

You have no idea, all of my life, I have been looking and searching for the truth. I grew up with so many questions in my mind about humans, religion, origins of humans, why the world adopts such xtian value, Jesus this or Jesus that. Or why people have such a demented view of demons when the meaning of that word is nothing cruel. Or why the Vikings are so vilified. Until I stumbled upon JoS site doing my underground research of spiritual subjects and human origins. I never stopped wondering, asking questions within me, etc.

Finding JoS is like a breath of great air or like... something that feels like home. And everything just makes perfect sense! Maybe my guardian demon had always been close to me and me to him/her that it was destined for me to find JoS. And I am ever so grateful. Idk, everything just makes sense, the things I read on JoS. The puzzle pieces fits.

 

[scorpiorising]

One more thing...

Wouldn't we consider others outside of JoS as Satanists who has a faith that is still "Satanic" or spiritual alchemy? Like the Yezidi? Or those of Norse origin and are pagan (although small numbers)? Or those in Asia who still practice the old religion honoring the gods?

Some here mention they only consider others a Satanist if they do the final Ritual. However, how does that fair with the rest of the world who still practice the old ways? They don't know what a final Ritual is.

Just trying to wrap my head around things and understand as much as possible.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

One more thing...

Wouldn't we consider others outside of JoS as Satanists who has a faith that is still "Satanic" or spiritual alchemy? Like the Yezidi? Or those of Norse origin and are pagan (although small numbers)? Or those in Asia who still practice the old religion honoring the gods?

Some here mention they only consider others a Satanist if they do the final Ritual. However, how does that fair with the rest of the world who still practice the old ways? They don't know what a final Ritual is.

Just trying to wrap my head around things and understand as much as possible.

All of those are Satanists. Just they do not have a complete collection of the knowledge, and maybe some of their traditions have been changed from how they originally were. They are not perfect, but they are still Satanists.

 

[13th_Wolf]

One more thing...

Wouldn't we consider others outside of JoS as Satanists who has a faith that is still "Satanic" or spiritual alchemy? Like the Yezidi? Or those of Norse origin and are pagan (although small numbers)? Or those in Asia who still practice the old religion honoring the gods?

Some here mention they only consider others a Satanist if they do the final Ritual. However, how does that fair with the rest of the world who still practice the old ways? They don't know what a final Ritual is.

Just trying to wrap my head around things and understand as much as possible.

A difference between a Blonde Yazidi in Syria and a drug addict living in his moms house in California is apparent to the naked eye. The Yazidi has a reason to take his spirituality seriously, the pothead does not lol. The Yazidi is in the care of Satan as he looks out for his own, the degenerate whom rests on his laurels is bound to the rules of nature and he's likely gonna be punished for his lack of awareness and action. If he calls himself a Satanist as this process occurs, he cannot blame it on Satan that he didn't use the knowledge and potential awareness that Satan gave him to overcome his troubles and prevent Nature smacking him in the face.

In regards to the people who still practice European pagan stuff the same rules apply as the outsider sects to some extent as a lot of those groups are "wiccanised" or xianised in some way.

 

[Gearshift]

Hello,

I have seen that many members have answered your questions, I do not yet have the same knowledge and wisdom that they have; but I would like to share with you my experience that I had in a "satanist" group before I met JoS and who knows I can help you.

1) For you to make the covenant with Satan (that's what they call dedication), you must have the permission of the "master" and the "priestess"; for it is they who determine who can or cannot make the covenant

2) You have to buy the "master's" books to have access to the "prayers" and some "rituals

3) In order to participate in study groups both via whatsapp and Facebook, you must have their approval

4) For the most powerful "rituals" and "prayers", you have to answer a questionnaire to be accepted on Facebook

5) The "priestess" always teaches that "Satanists" can commit crimes without the slightest problem, because Satan and demons always deliver "Satanists" from the possible consequences of their actions

6) They have a "prayer" where the Satanist who feels he no longer has the strength to fight, it is only by praying this prayer that Satan kills this Satanist

7) There is a devil for each day of the week that you must invoke and a prayer of your own

8) If you ask any questions or do not agree with any of their positions, you are expelled from the group

9) There you do not talk with Satan or demons, because only the "master" and the "priesthood" have this right and this occurs through incorporation of the "master"; where during the sessions are always watered with cigars and alcoholic beverages that Satan and demons drink (if you have ever been in any macumba, umbanda or candomblé yard, you will see that it is the same way)

To conclude, here at JoS you don't need permission from HP's to make your Dedication to Satan, you don't have to buy a book from anyone to have access to knowledge, access to the Forum is for whoever you want, you have the help and guidance from HP's and members whenever you need it, everyone can talk to Satan and the Gods (it only depends on you and your development), you have the site that is full of knowledge and guidance.

If you still have questions, read all the Forum posts (I know it will take a long time); read the site and reflect a lot and then make your decision.

As I said in the beginning, I don't have the wisdom of HP's and other members; but I hope my experience can help you.

I read all this and go "Why don't other Satanists like free information"?

Guys JoS is free, WTF who doesn't like free stuff. Pay-to-pray lol.

 

[Poweredbythesun]

I read all this and go "Why don't other Satanists like free information"?

Guys JoS is free, WTF who doesn't like free stuff. Pay-to-pray lol.

The truth of the matter is most of these 'Satanists' either don't know of JoS, are too scared to dedicate, or don't want to do anything to better the situation here on Earth. Instead wanting to live for the now and not think of the consequences their actions bring.

As to you, Something to note on being a Zevism; There are no shortcuts, many have tried to find them (including myself) and there are none. That being said, daily aura cleaning, doing yoga, the Final Ritual + Returning Curses Parts 1 & 2 are generally the base schedule most people here do. And are THE way to spiritual advancement. From there you can follow the 6 month or 40 day guide(s) to developing your power and abilities, and add to your schedule as needed. But in this know your limits and don't burn yourself out a month in, slow and steady is the slothz way.

As to other 'Satanists' they do nothing of consequence in regards to spiritual advancement, and most make their situations worse though drugs and blaspheming the Gods. Something to remember is YOU are responsible for your own spiritual advancement, achievements, and progress. A phrase I often repeat to myself to remember this is "I am at the center of everything that happens to me", and as cliche as it sounds it motivates me more than anything I have found previously.

Let the other 'Satanists' as they call themselves stir in their own contempt for us, it reflects back onto them. And remember, if they are actually worth anything they will wake up and join us, but don't force this onto them, they are responsible for their own life. I know this all too well, as I was almost one of these sad unfortunates before I found JoS. What we teach is REAL and irrefutable, unlike their 'Satanism', Wicca, and Christianized belief systems.

 

[ShadowTheRaven]

The saying when in Rome do as the Roman's will come back.

Some say America is the new Rome, should we do as the Americans?