On Suffering: A Conversation

[High Priestess Lydia]

My gosh, stuff like this would appear on TV if it happened here in Italy, it's unheard of.

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

My gosh, stuff like this would appear on TV if it happened here in Italy, it's unheard of.

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Why is it wrong to stay with family?

As some might know I left everything behind me and moved out of my country, and while I don't regret it I wish I could be closer to my own family. And even then all the money I'm making I am putting into assets back home so I can go back.

I've noticed there's this trend in society to push young people to leave their families to live on their own. I know guys who are working shit jobs and being paid pathetic salaries and continue to work in these places just so they aren't judged by others.

I didn't leave my family's place until I found something worthwhile to do. And the youth shouldn't be pressured to take on shit underpaid jobs just so they can leave their family behind in my opinion. Parents also shouldn't force their kids to work shit jobs just to get rid of them. The minimum salary in most places isn't enough to cover even basic human needs.

This is only pushed on the working class, by the way. You look at the wealthy class and you'll see tight and united family units most of the time.

It's as you say. IMO, that is a wrong thing to do. It was a meme in America and how it was justified is based on what I wrote above.

If it works out financially, you can start learning how to be on your own. But if not, then it can be a disaster. The cases where each of these paths would work is relative, not absolute.

 

[Stormblood]

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

In my case, my father literally gave me 3 days after high school. I moved out the same day he said that, and didn't speak to him for over 1 year.

 

[Aquarius]

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

It's a totally Yehuborim sponsored culture in my opinion. Young people are gonna be thrown into a world in which they are gonna get devoured by debt and will always be financial slaves. It's a good way to ruin someone's life.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Most people don't care about the dictionary definition of words which has always frustrated me. If we are going to speak the same language as a group of people then we should all agree on the meanings of words. Otherwise it just leads to endless confusion and misunderstandings ad infinitum. This is why I passionately resent and rebel against the currently spoken manifestation of the English language in society. People ought to know better, or at least take the time to check their chosen words to see if the meaning is really what they intend to say.
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That is impossible. The fact that we can all speak English, still I am thankful for, however. The fact it's a universal language, is a very good thing. People can understand one another. It's kind of easy to learn too. But it's very difficult to really have a common ground of communication that is 100% the same without becoming a literal philologist.

So long people understand one another, that's the whole aim. It also pays one back metaphorically to speak simply.

While I disagree with the general idea that it's impossible, seeing as how languages such as Latin and Sanskrit remain un-bastardized with their original integrity and meaning/essence of words, I suspect you meant that English is too far gone to restore across the board so we have to make do with what we have. Even that is a hard thing for me to hear, but I see the truth in what you say. I'm just quite stubborn about it, but I suppose it's time for me to finally accept that the last century isn't coming back. The days when people were raised with proper English vocabulary and there was consensus, they are long gone. People just don't care anymore. This creates infinite opportunities for people to misunderstand each other which frustrates me terribly, but I admit that we can't do anything about it. Me being me, I prefer to do all I can to avoid misunderstandings in the first place, but clearing them up after is just as well albeit extremely... annoying. Is what it is *sigh*

I've voiced my purist heart's laments.

Well maybe impossible is the wrong word, but for the time being, that would be really difficult to achieve. For one, I think in the future we must change or have two global languages.

English is simple and the proof that it's a good language for everyday use by all people, is that everyone in the globe can use it. Anything like this would work for a language of mere communication. Languages like Latin who are compressed and simple, can work in this regard.

Philosophically or spiritually, in this order, I would think the best languages for understanding the soul would be Ancient Greek [not modern], Ancient Egyptian [language must be fully restored, almost impossible to learn with all it's hidden connotations that have been (((lost in translation)))] or Sanskrit [as a last resort]. Either of the three would work.

Spiritual advancement allows for easier transferring of meaning. That can really help when it comes to misunderstandings between human beings in general. But for the general level of communication to rise, a mix of language and telepathic communication becoming more "common", ie, the average level of spirituality rising in the world, would be necessitated.

I think everyone who understands the value of communication would indeed feel extreme thirst to have a more applicable language to all these tasks. Even English is very rich, yet it requires studying and understanding to use it properly.

 

[Stormblood]

It's a totally Yehuborim sponsored culture in my opinion. Young people are gonna be thrown into a world in which they are gonna get devoured by debt and will always be financial slaves. It's a good way to ruin someone's life.

A good alternative in this times would be making them take over responsibilities at home, if they don't have them already. Some people have never done any laundry, washing up, ironing, or even grocery shopping before moving out, which is completely retarded. These are things people that should already be taught when someone is 6 years-old or something like, and time spent doing show grow and grow until, when you are 12-14, you do an equal amount of chores as the rest of your family does.

In later times, we should look to reinstate clans. And clans should own houses they can give the newer generations, and offer an escape from the extremely extortionate prices of sales and leases. However, these houses shouldn't be handed out just cause. The new generations should show they are responsible enough to own a house, so they should have property management skills so as not to turn it into a pigsty like many so called 'adults' do upon leaving their parent's nest (especially males). Pigsties invite pests and decay, which ruin properties from the inside out.

If a member of the new generation is not deemed responsible/mature enough, they should keep living with their family until they are, and be casted out if they sink into excessive degeneration out of idleness.

You're right, Stormblood. I spoke recently somewhere about how I believe the youth of today need a sense of purpose, but in the interest of keeping my point straight and concise, I neglected to mention this very thing as well even though it's vital. They need to be given more responsibility. There are a lot of parents who don't take the time to direct their children, and are content to let them watch tv and slack off. Honestly what did they think was going to be the outcome of that? They have raised a generation of people who can barely even take care of themselves, or even their belongings as you said.

It's like Jordan Peterson's meme, "clean your room." If you can't even clean your room then you won't be able to accomplish anything in life because you can't even perform the most basic necessary things for daily living/maintenance.

So in sum: the lazy youth need a sense of purpose, and more responsibility. That's my opinion.

By the way, clans sounds like a really great idea and I hope that happens in the more immediate future rather than later. I think it might just save a lot of people's lives by banding together like that. Hopefully they have the instinct to keep it racially homogeneous.

I had terrible experiences with house-sharing at times. One of these times, I had to share with a complete slob who left the dishes in the kitchen sink for weeks. It's not like he had that much to do either, given he would listen to loud music at least 3 nights a week from around 10pm to around 7am, playing fifa and shouting 'pussy' at his online friends, also otherwise speaking loudly. Never cleaning any of the shared areas, taking out the rubbish or replacing the rubbish bag. In 51 weeks... No surprise we often had cockroaches and ants because of the smell of his dishes. The rest we kept clean ourselves. This guy was 18-19 years-old.

Another was back when I used to smoke cigarettes. Similar to the aforementioned person in terms of dish-washing and cleaning shared areas. He would only think of cleaning when we suggested hiring a weekly cleaner for the bathroom: he would volunteer for the money. Otherwise, he would stay in his room playing videogames all the time, smoking pot and often annoying me to give him my cigarettes when he finished his. Laundry left in the washing machine for days, obviously stinking afterward.

I remember already when I was in high school my stepmother wouldn't let me leave the house if my bedroom wasn't clean and tidy. And I had to dust it every single day. Sorry for the rant lol

I wonder if in the future we'll have clans based on occupation and sects based on spiritual methods. That's a great prospect, in my opinion.