Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier - "All vaccinated people will die within 2 years"

[Νίκος]

If you see from 37:00-37:20, Mike Yeadon says that Vaccinated people will die from some peculiar syndrome and no one will be able to associate it with the vaccine.
https://rumble.com/vg5koh-breaking-dr-michael-yeadon-full-interview-access-reality-truth.html

Also most of the doctors agree that the death will come in about six months to a year after the shot and I read that the first to one to be Vaccinated with the Pfizer shot died recently (about 5,5 months after his injection).
In any case , there are already a ton of deaths that happened even in healthy people due to these shots and millions of injuries have already been reported. Those things would have be enough to ban any other vaccine. The optimal thing to do would be to stay away from them with any cost. Also let's hope that the vaccinated people can be saved.

 

[Aquarius]

If we want to say that they reap what they sowed, I don't agree with that either.

This is where you're wrong.
Every action you do has a reaction.
For every action a person will do, they will reap whatever consequence of that action, whether positive or negative.
Being unconscious to enemy plans is an action, and the reaction is gonna be what it will be..

This is not an opinion, this is a universal fact. You might disagree all you want since you don't like thinking that your mother will reap whatever will come out of the vaccine, but it still stands as a truth.

 

[Aquarius]

If we want to say that they reap what they sowed, I don't agree with that either.

This is where you're wrong.
Every action you do has a reaction.
For every action a person will do, they will reap whatever consequence of that action, whether positive or negative.
Being unconscious to enemy plans is an action, and the reaction is gonna be what it will be..

This is not an opinion, this is a universal fact. You might disagree all you want since you don't like thinking that your mother will reap whatever will come out of the vaccine, but it still stands as a truth.

While I agree with you that actions have consequences that don't care about the excuses for taking those actions, I also see why it's a sensitive topic. The words "deserve" and "you reap what you sow" have connotations of judgement and punishment in the context of ethics, rather than simple consequentiality and determinism.

While people still have to face the consequences of their actions, including their mistakes, in some cases it would be unfair to judge people harshly for their decisions. Being uninformed is not always the person's own fault, and especially in this context, do you think there's anyone here who knows precisely what the consequences of taking one of the vaccines will be? We're spiritually open and far ahead of the average person, yet people still buy into misinformation from time to time regardless. Do you have any idea what it's like for the average person then, and even some good people out there?

We perceive the vaccine to be harmful and therefore most of us would be willing to sacrifice other things in order not to take it; but the extent of what one would sacrifice depends on the perceived level of danger associated with the vaccine. People who absorbed different information will not perceive the vaccine as dangerous and would rather get the vaccine than sacrifice anything they consider important. This could prove to be a mistake as they aren't fully aware of the consequences of taking the vaccine, but they are still making a decision based on what they believe is best for them based on the information they were able to gather. I will not judge them for that, and believe that it would be unfair to do so.

They will have to deal with all the consequences that result from getting the vaccine, good or bad; but to say it's their own fault if they die because of it is cruel and unfair. It is the fault of those who made the vaccine, those who misinformed them, and those who cut them off from more accurate information that could've made them more cautious. As the consequences alone will be their "punishment" already, there is no need to use words that implies judgement on top of that.

There is no judgement, there's a universal law. Me saying that they will reap what they sow isn't judging, it's saying that their actions will have consequences. How long do I have to explain this?

 

[Cfecit]

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I disagree with you and think your stance on this is both unethical and short-sighted, but you are entitled to your own opinion.

Ok, but we can discuss, can I know why you think my opinion is unethical, can you explain? Maybe i can even give you right.

But when I say things like that, it's hard for me to be wrong because it's an ethical issue, and when there are these kinds of issues, I've looked at so many options with a broader view of things, both from the inside and from the outside. And I came to this vaccination issue, for me, obvious conclusion.

The important issue of this shit is not that you physically take the vaccine and its physical consequences (illness, even death) but the fact that one has sold out. Today is the vaccine, but tomorrow?

That's what you need to evaluate. That tomorrow can be far worse things, like giving up your freedom in exchange for something, right down to the microchip. And here I don't think you will justify them, this is same thing as the vaccine. It's beyond that.

We don't need these people and I wonder how it is that anyone has any form of compassion for them. They pose a threat to our survival, literally.

You have to imagine the situation, of this scenario where millions of people shape the reality you live in too, and you would have to make difficult choices because of them. Imagine that everyone sells out to this experimental therapy and so you have no room to look for other solutions because you will be forced into their reality, this in order to be able to survive. That means you will be forced to take the vaccine to have the same "rights" as them, like the most basic ones like going to a supermarket to buy the food or work.

It is precisely for this reason that they deserve to die. The more inferior people, the harder life will be for us. Because we live with them, we are not on Mars.

And I am not heartless. I even have parents and friends I care about (mostly knowing how are their soul) who take this shit. I tried everything, both good and bad manners. Reverse psychology and other form of persecution. Nothing worked. THEY KNOW PERFECTLY WELL BUT THEY DON'T CARE. Literally. There's really no justification. I'll be sorry for them, especially the good part of their soul, but they deserve to die. When there's a decision to be made on which to prioritize collective interests or personal interests, I have no doubt on which one to choose. It's simple, in future generations they don't even know about these kinds of family relationships (which in fact is a personal thing), while they pay for the choices we make now.

As mentioned, I'm not talking about the situation where you take the vaccine without your consent, because obviously that's a different thing. "Consensus" is an illuminating and clarifying word for all things. This is at this stage that we see what people are really made of, human or guinea pig. There's really no justification, because this is written very clearly on the fact sheet. Very clearly.

I hope I made my POV more clearer, as my previous one is a bit too emotional, because of this one italian guy that I wouldn't even call an SS, due for personal matters.
Ciao!

 

[SS66610888]

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I disagree with you and think your stance on this is both unethical and short-sighted, but you are entitled to your own opinion.

Ok, but we can discuss, can I know why you think my opinion is unethical, can you explain? Maybe i can even give you right.

But when I say things like that, it's hard for me to be wrong because it's an ethical issue, and when there are these kinds of issues, I've looked at so many options with a broader view of things, both from the inside and from the outside. And I came to this vaccination issue, for me, obvious conclusion.

The important issue of this shit is not that you physically take the vaccine and its physical consequences (illness, even death) but the fact that one has sold out. Today is the vaccine, but tomorrow?

That's what you need to evaluate. That tomorrow can be far worse things, like giving up your freedom in exchange for something, right down to the microchip. And here I don't think you will justify them, this is same thing as the vaccine. It's beyond that.

We don't need these people and I wonder how it is that anyone has any form of compassion for them. They pose a threat to our survival, literally.

You have to imagine the situation, of this scenario where millions of people shape the reality you live in too, and you would have to make difficult choices because of them. Imagine that everyone sells out to this experimental therapy and so you have no room to look for other solutions because you will be forced into their reality, this in order to be able to survive. That means you will be forced to take the vaccine to have the same "rights" as them, like the most basic ones like going to a supermarket to buy the food or work.

It is precisely for this reason that they deserve to die. The more inferior people, the harder life will be for us. Because we live with them, we are not on Mars.

And I am not heartless. I even have parents and friends I care about (mostly knowing how are their soul) who take this shit. I tried everything, both good and bad manners. Reverse psychology and other form of persecution. Nothing worked. THEY KNOW PERFECTLY WELL BUT THEY DON'T CARE. Literally. There's really no justification. I'll be sorry for them, especially the good part of their soul, but they deserve to die. When there's a decision to be made on which to prioritize collective interests or personal interests, I have no doubt on which one to choose. It's simple, in future generations they don't even know about these kinds of family relationships (which in fact is a personal thing), while they pay for the choices we make now.

As mentioned, I'm not talking about the situation where you take the vaccine without your consent, because obviously that's a different thing. "Consensus" is an illuminating and clarifying word for all things. This is at this stage that we see what people are really made of, human or guinea pig. There's really no justification, because this is written very clearly on the fact sheet. Very clearly.

I hope I made my POV more clearer, as my previous one is a bit too emotional, because of this one italian guy that I wouldn't even call an SS, due for personal matters.
Ciao!

It is you who nom can not even be called a SS.

you are simply an illiterate, which creates more controversy alone than the whole Italian forum together.

I have already clarified with Aquarius, we have different opinions, but a respectful conversation was held.

you, on the other hand, as always, do not miss an opportunity to create controversy with me.

For those who do not know the story between me and cfeit, this useless being attacks me for everything I say, simply because I have highlighted how much cfeit is a useless illiterate.

it has been provoking me for months by constantly creating such controversies with me, it has created controversy with all the most important members of the Italian forum.

He had a fight with the former moderator of the Italian forum, after this fight we no longer have a moderator.

Cfeit among other things boasts of "kicked out" our moderator.

now I pull myself out of this conversation, because otherwise cfeit will keep bringing me up and wasting my time and energy.

thank meteor for understanding what I meant.

 

[Cfecit]

The reason I think it's short-sighted is because the exact level of danger of the vaccine is unknown, and because anyone could make that kind of mistake in a similar situation, even you.

So why you accept if the damage is unknown? Anyone with human awareness and dignity should stop already at this step. It's about your life. We are not on a video game where you can reset or respawm. We have only ONE heart left, if you die, you die. If you get sick, today or tomorrow, you're fucked for the rest of life. Why accept this risk when your life is at stake?

For example, let's consider if a teenage boy became homeless in order not to have the vaccine, and died from starvation a few months later. If taking the vaccine would also have resulted in death, then you could say that at least he went down fighting for his life. But what if it turns out that the specific vaccine he would've gotten would've had no serious negative side effects for him on the long term, and that he would've been just fine if he got it? Then he died simply because he misjudged the level of danger of the vaccine and had his priorities wrong; the exact same which could be said about those who hypothetically die because they did get vaccinated.

This scenario of yours is almost non-exist on reality, I speak it of here Italy, this thing does not exist. We're not there yet, fortunately. But let's pretend that this situation you described exists, that teenager boy become homeless and die for starvation after 2 months. Again, as told to SS10866688, in his stupid example of a person jumping to avoid the flames: There are always choices. Fight. Look for choices, opportunity, to get the food. Buy a fake certificate. Corrupt someone. Infinite possibilities. Believing you don't have a choice is just an illusion you've created on your own. You will have to fight but you still have the certainty of having that ONE heart left. The thing, with the experimental therapy aka the vaccine, doesn't happen. You're challenging that one remaining heart, with unknown outcomes. You are doomed already in the first place.

The above symmetry is why I will not judge people for making a mistake in this context, whether that mistake was getting the vaccine or sacrificing a disproportionate amount of things in order not to get it. It's up to each person to make their own judgement depending on their situation and the information they have, and hope they picked the right option.

Between sacrificing so many things but having the certainty that your one heart left is still intact is worth more than sacrificing that life because that's the difference. That difference is, between remaining a human being and sold your essence as human being.

As for the ethics, I understand your point after you explained it better. You think people should've demanded more rights and proper procedure rather than rushing to get an experimental vaccine and thus applying pressure to others to do the same, right? I think that's a fair point, and I agree with you there. The situation should never have been allowed to get to this point, but thanks to many people's complacency it did. I understand your frustration and anger at them. In that regard, I think there's a difference between those who are pressured into getting it and those who go out of their way to. I question the sanity of the latter, although I guess in their case it's "covid" that they overestimated the danger of.

Ok, so we agree that those who want the experimental therapy are to be condemned, did I get it right?
And that your point of defend them is for those who are "pressured" or "forced" to take it.

So here I'll give you an ethical example: we have two groups of people.
1) The first group, is the one that took this experimental therapy because your mom wants it or you kicked out of house, or situation like it, of that when one is pressured.

2) The second group of people who didn't get the vaccine, because of they don't want to bend to blackmail and things like that. Could experience difficult things, and so on. Even death for starvation.

So, thank of us, we know that we will win. And that there will be no need to do justice because of this famous statement "they want to join but it will be too late for them". But let's pretend that we are not there, that we SS are non-exist, aside from the fact that the enemy wins easy if we are non-exist, how do you approach the second group, if one day will return the freedom we had before, thank to them or for other reasons. Do you think it's fair and ethical to say: "Wow, you guys hero! MY HERO! Thank you that you didn't bend over, that you had to endure bad things, that you didn't have the comforts and "security" of work/food and so on, take this presidential medal of freedom and 1000$ as form of compensation"? And what will be the congruous punishment for those in the first group who bent over, taking all the comforts and freedom the enemy "granted" for them?

For me, in short, the second group has challenged death and difficult things in life while the first was sitting comfortably on a couch and then, perhaps, compliments to the second one for saving their (((lives))).
So sorry, but even here, the first group just deserves to die as a form of respect for the second group, such as ours.
Just a matter of bringing forward only the strong, as happens in the nature law.

What I think is unethical, is to say that those who were pressured into getting it deserve to die. They could've quit their job or become homeless to avoid it; but to say they deserve to die for not being willing to go to such an extent when they have no way of accurately evaluating the risks involved and which option is less dangerous or harmful, is just cruel. Do you understand what I mean?

Yes i understand if you say it that way, unfortunately there are other aspects to consider, just read above. It's not cruel, but form of respect to who fight.
At the limit I can say that they deserve to die in a metaphorical sense, that they will have to stay in a confined area until natural death, the point is that they have to pay for being sell out the essence of human being.