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[kingtwiggy814]

why are all the different types of satanist... laveyan and ... all the other type all have something bad to say about eachother. why.arent we all satanist laveyan included. all brought together under the same greatness. to do the whole rise up and be as gods thing... together as 1. just really have a hard time understanding all the hatered amongst my own ppl. and it saddens me. so lpaese some one.. explain this to me

 

[satanisk_88]

Everyone has their own personal view points on life and different aspects of it. The reason for the different "sects" of Satanism is because some people believe Satan to be one thing or another and thus they establish it as a separate believe system from the other views. At the very root, all the "Left Hand Path" shares a common bond, many people of different "sects" of Satanism believe in Our Father Satan in one form or another, are against xianity and believe in humanity's ascension to a higher state of being. However, many of the different branches of Satanism go about magick, rituals and the like in very different manners and have different philosophies. Some are based on Ancient Paganism where Satan is an Ancient God and a real living Deity and others are atheistic or, they believe in Satan as a real being but not as a Pagan God.

As for the infighting and badmouthing amongst LHP circles, this needs to stop NOW. It is nothing more than the enemy's influence and is blasphemy against Father Satan. It is a waste of time and energy fighting like children. Stop with the jealousy is all I have to say to the individuals responsible for the infighting.

Lord Satan knows who these people are and they will come to know HIM and HIS Authority!!

HAIL SATAN!!

High Priest Ian

--- In , "kingtwiggy814" <kingtwiggy814@... wrote:

why are all the different types of satanist... laveyan and ... all the other type all have something bad to say about eachother. why.arent we all satanist laveyan included. all brought together under the same greatness. to do the whole rise up and be as gods thing... together as 1. just really have a hard time understanding all the hatered amongst my own ppl. and it saddens me. so lpaese some one.. explain this to me

 

[bas de vendt]

<em> I totally agree, but I must say that Lavey, has created a caricature frome satan</em>

 

[Jonathan Byrd]

because laveyan satanism is basically atheism and many of them think we are crazy

 

[Jeremy Rogers]

Well, I believe that laveyan Satanists are atheistic by nature, and do not believe as we do. They even recite the unrevised version of the Enochian Keys that are in fact blasphemous to Father Satan, praising that fictitious filth of that want-to-be fucking god jehovah.     Some Satanists worship the made up devil mentioned in the buybull. Then, you have those of us who believe in Father Satan as a real being and talk with Him every chance we get, and adore all the knowledge gained from being one of His own. We are the true Satanists and if they won’t follow the truth, then that’s their choice, it’s like trying to get a xian fucktard to even understand the truth mentioned on JoS.   <b style=''>HAIL SATAN the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   [/B]  
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Subject: (unknown)     why are all the different types of satanist... laveyan and ... all the other type all have something bad to say about eachother. why.arent we all satanist laveyan included. all brought together under the same greatness. to do the whole rise up and be as gods thing... together as 1. just really have a hard time understanding all the hatered amongst my own ppl. and it saddens me. so lpaese some one.. explain this to me

 

[Adam1]

You talked about LaVeyan satanism, let me explain our abhorrance against this.
They do not believe satan to be an actual being. They see him as an ARCHETYPE.
An Archetype is an ideal, a perfect concept. Like the scrooch is an archetype of greediness, and the ''devil'' is an archetype of evil in xianity.

They see him as a perfect concept, but not a real being. This is where we greatly differ.
By saying this, they actually directly insult our religion. This is where the infighting comes from. It is not infighting. We have a common enemy(xianity and such), we have a common goal of achieving greatness, but we do not follow nearly the same path. We know satan to be true, they think him to be untrue. Like Santa.(notice, santa, san<ta, satan<).

Just do whatever you feel best with, everybody has their own path.

Ave Luciferi

 

[Jeremy Rogers]

Thank you High Priest Ian for this post. You really spoke to me in this post as well as others I’m sure. <b style=''>I don’t want to ever do or say anything in my life to offend Father Satan/Enki, or His High Priests or Priestesses.[/B] The Satanists in this world do need to change it, reverse it from the enemy gods control, but we must be united on a large scale to do so.   Personally, I wish that we had a radio station on XM radio, full of sermons, teaching, music, and Q&A. This would be a great way to unite all of us, but of course this would be an outrageously expensive endeavor, so I need to stop dreaming and be more realistic. We have this group, and that’s good enough for now, we will all be the better if we learn everything on JoS, and respond to <b style=''>help[/B] one another in this group.   HAIL SATAN!!  
From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of satanisk_88
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:58 PM
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Subject: Reply to the question about different "sects" in Satanism    

Everyone has their own personal view points on life and different aspects of it. The reason for the different "sects" of Satanism is because some people believe Satan to be one thing or another and thus they establish it as a separate believe system from the other views. At the very root, all the "Left Hand Path" shares a common bond, many people of different "sects" of Satanism believe in Our Father Satan in one form or another, are against xianity and believe in humanity's ascension to a higher state of being. However, many of the different branches of Satanism go about magick, rituals and the like in very different manners and have different philosophies. Some are based on Ancient Paganism where Satan is an Ancient God and a real living Deity and others are atheistic or, they believe in Satan as a real being but not as a Pagan God.

As for the infighting and badmouthing amongst LHP circles, this needs to stop NOW. It is nothing more than the enemy's influence and is blasphemy against Father Satan. It is a waste of time and energy fighting like children. Stop with the jealousy is all I have to say to the individuals responsible for the infighting.

Lord Satan knows who these people are and they will come to know HIM and HIS Authority!!

HAIL SATAN!!

High Priest Ian

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "kingtwiggy814" <kingtwiggy814@ ... wrote:

why are all the different types of satanist... laveyan and ... all the

other type all have something bad to say about eachother. why.arent we all satanist laveyan included. all brought together under the same greatness. to do the whole rise up and be as gods thing... together as 1. just really have a hard time understanding all the hatered amongst my own ppl. and it saddens me. so lpaese some one.. explain this to me

 

[Jonathan1]

i agree Ian but i do not think that laveyans will ever unite with us nor is there any purpose because as said before they are egotistic atheists i do agree amongst the actual theistic worhipper we need to NOT FIGHT and be united yes showing and discussing with people our viewpoints is fine but when it comes down to arguments that are bashing and insulting thats just wrong

 

[rocco Woodard]

 

[Jonathan Byrd]

i think thats a great idea JoS should hold a gathering once a year or something like that idk if it will happen tho

From: rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@...
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Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 1:00:46 PM
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[J. Walker Fluoride]

<td val[/IMG]when I was in it. It was best to meet online. Meetings resulted in stupid arguments over things that were meaningless. A big conflict developed when me and another guy had an argument about how far this 300 pound man in our town could walk in a day. He walked 9 miles, I knew him. But this guy was smarted than everyone and he knew better. Things like that can break a group.

Brou[/IMG]</em>[/B]

--- On Sun, 12/20/09, rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@... wrote:

From: rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@...
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[Apathy Aerosmith]

Yea, I agree. It would be great if all of us did a mass gathering. It would be freakin awesome if we had music, and all the festival stuff, etc, etc. The prob is Where? When? and How? And if people have anything to say to it, screw them!! HAIL SATAN!!
From: rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@...
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Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 4:00:46 PM
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[siguard666]

Keep in mind though, some of us came from CoS here. Some of the wisest.

HAIL LUCIFER AND THE GODS OF THE OLD!!
DEATH TO XIANITY!!

--- In , "Jonathan" <yeaigotsus@... wrote:

i agree Ian but i do not think that laveyans will ever unite with us nor is there any purpose because as said before they are egotistic atheists i do agree amongst the actual theistic worhipper we need to NOT FIGHT and be united yes showing and discussing with people our viewpoints is fine but when it comes down to arguments that are bashing and insulting thats just wrong

 

[Jeremy Rogers]

The only problem with that is we are all over the country and even the world. Traveling is a problem for most people. Time and money are always the factors that allow people to do the things they like to do. Those like myself who work 50-60 hours a week, and usually take a vacation once a year, family is usually who I go and visit. If it was local or within a hundred or so miles it could be done. But again, we are all spread out, it’s a great idea but I just don’t feel it would work to well.  
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[DerekD]

Yeah, sounds like an interesting idea! I also know where you're coming from when you say, "How much unity do we really have over the computer?" I feel communing with one's fellow Satanists is important. What you are proposing, it could definitely be worth a try!

--- In , rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@... wrote:

yea ive been sayin it for years . instead of a radio thing. why dont we hold a mass gathering. it can be done.back when the dragon klan was alive here we would hold just get togethers were we would celebrate the fact that we were satanist united. twas the shit. and not that expensive. and if icp can get away with the gathering we can do this. u know i know musical performers... like myself..  u know make it more festive. u know throw in a ceremony honoring the gods. and as out raged as ppl may be its not like were sacrificing ppl..... there...lol. it will be us celebrating what we r. men women and children  as satanist. cuz its possible. so says i el negre`. naw but seriously its a good idea and how much unity do we really have over the computer???? but enough going on about it tell me what yall think
 
                                ~kingtwiggy~~

 

[rocco Woodard]

<td val[/IMG]oh yea dont forget. check ya boy out on myspace. www.myspace.com/kingtwiggy999 . the satanical musical movement

--- On Mon, 12/21/09, DerekD <derekthehellviking@... wrote:

From: DerekD <derekthehellviking@...
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  Yeah, sounds like an interesting idea! I also know where you're coming from when you say, "How much unity do we really have over the computer?" I feel communing with one's fellow Satanists is important. What you are proposing, it could definitely be worth a try!

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@ ... wrote:

yea ive been sayin it for years . instead of a radio thing. why dont we hold a mass gathering. it can be done.back when the dragon klan was alive here we would hold just get togethers were we would celebrate the fact that we were satanist united. twas the shit. and not that expensive. and if icp can get away with the gathering we can do this.. u know i know musical performers.. . like myself..  u know make it more festive. u know throw in a ceremony honoring the gods. and as out raged as ppl may be its not like were sacrificing ppl..... there...lol. it will be us celebrating what we r. men women and children  as satanist. cuz its possible. so says i el negre`. naw but seriously its a good idea and how much unity do we really have over the computer???? but enough going on about it tell me what yall think
 
                                ~kingtwiggy~ ~

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[Jonathan Byrd]

actually i think the ACS is going to attempt one sometime but thats really far out in the future and not exactly set in stone for financial reasons but hell! were satanists! we can organize one! all in favor of coming up with ideas say I lol

From: Apathy Aerosmith <breakthevow@...
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Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 2:52:32 PM
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  Yea, I agree. It would be great if all of us did a mass gathering. It would be freakin awesome if we had music, and all the festival stuff, etc, etc. The prob is Where? When? and How? And if people have anything to say to it, screw them!! HAIL SATAN!!
From: rocco Woodard <kingtwiggy814@ yahoo.com
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 4:00:46 PM
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[Jonathan Byrd]

church of satan? well if you found the true beleifs on satan and truly beleive him then theres no problem with it but honestly true satanists can't really do too much spiritually with an atheist though

From: siguard666 <siguard666@...
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Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 3:32:28 PM
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  Keep in mind though, some of us came from CoS here. Some of the wisest.

HAIL LUCIFER AND THE GODS OF THE OLD!!
DEATH TO XIANITY!!

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "Jonathan" <yeaigotsus@ ... wrote:

i agree Ian but i do not think that laveyans will ever unite with us nor is there any purpose because as said before they are egotistic atheists i do agree amongst the actual theistic worhipper we need to NOT FIGHT and be united yes showing and discussing with people our viewpoints is fine but when it comes down to arguments that are bashing and insulting thats just wrong

 

[Jonathan Byrd]

actually u would be suprised what some people are able to do yes some people wouldnt be able to come to it but alot may be i mean look at wacken open air hundreds of thousands of people come from all over the world for that and aside from doing national or even international people could still hold state gatherings its deffenitly not impossible at all

From: Jeremy Rogers <truthbeknown666@...
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Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 5:54:40 PM
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  The only problem with that is we are all over the country and even the world. Traveling is a problem for most people. Time and money are always the factors that allow people to do the things they like to do. Those like myself who work 50-60 hours a week, and usually take a vacation once a year, family is usually who I go and visit. If it was local or within a hundred or so miles it could be done. But again, we are all spread out, it’s a great idea but I just don’t feel it would work to well.  
From: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of rocco Woodard
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:01 PM
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[siguard666]

Certainly. Just to clarify, I'm not a former CoS member, but what I'm implying is that some of our Brothers and Sisters came here, being LaVeyans earlier. They were wise enough to have this 'hunger for knowledge & Truth'. And it is true that their atheistic stance prevents them from evolving.

HAIL LUCIFER AND THE GODS OF THE OLD!!
DEATH TO XIANITY!!

--- In , Jonathan Byrd <yeaigotsus@... wrote:

church of satan? well if you found the true beleifs on satan and truly beleive him then theres no problem with it but honestly true satanists can't really do too much spiritually with an atheist though

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Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 3:32:28 PM
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Keep in mind though, some of us came from CoS here. Some of the wisest.

HAIL LUCIFER AND THE GODS OF THE OLD!!
DEATH TO XIANITY!!

--- In JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com, "Jonathan" <yeaigotsus@ .... wrote:

i agree Ian but i do not think that laveyans will ever unite with us nor is there any purpose because as said before they are egotistic atheists i do agree amongst the actual theistic worhipper we need to NOT FIGHT and be united yes showing and discussing with people our viewpoints is fine but when it comes down to arguments that are bashing and insulting thats just wrong

 

[Jeremy Rogers]

I agree, you make a good point. And I would surely try to go, hey don’t let me dampen your spirits, I didn’t want to do that. Nothing happens without people doing something to make it happen, go ahead and see what comes of it. That would be awesome.    
From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Byrd
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:07 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Reply to the question about different "sects" in Satanism     actually u would be suprised what some people are able to do yes some people wouldnt be able to come to it but alot may be i mean look at wacken open air hundreds of thousands of people come from all over the world for that and aside from doing national or even international people could still hold state gatherings its deffenitly not impossible at all  
From: Jeremy Rogers <truthbeknown666@ att.net
To: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 5:54:40 PM
Subject: RE: Reply to the question about different "sects" in Satanism

  The only problem with that is we are all over the country and even the world. Traveling is a problem for most people. Time and money are always the factors that allow people to do the things they like to do. Those like myself who work 50-60 hours a week, and usually take a vacation once a year, family is usually who I go and visit. If it was local or within a hundred or so miles it could be done. But again, we are all spread out, it’s a great idea but I just don’t feel it would work to well.  
From: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: JoyofSatan666@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of rocco Woodard
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:01 PM
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