"Negotiations" for HOO tiers?

Greetings, and welcome aboard. Two years of dedication and asking hard questions up front puts you in a good position to evaluate this clearly.

The short answer: the Hall of Osiris is not a published point system, and it is also not arbitrary in the dismissive sense. It is a managed acceleration platform administered by the Temple of Zeus Clergy, with tier placement based on demonstrated effort, comprehension, and contribution, rather than a scorecard you can game.

Here is what High Priest Zevios Metathronos has stated publicly about this, so you can see it directly. On the Hall of Osiris update decree, he was direct that to reach Tier 1 a member either pays the minimum donation or performs actual work for the Temple through the Vultem platform, and he drew a line against members who merely pass around and speak of Great Gods while doing literally nothing for them. On the Tier 5 thread, his philosophical framing of access was equally clear: "ToZ is access to all and merit based elevation." He distinguished "not accessible" from "not convenient," and pointed out that tier progression depends on whether you apply the wealth of knowledge the Temple has already opened to everyone, with the deeper tiers requiring what he called an "Inner Sanctum mode" of understanding. In his breakdown of how Tier 4 members actually got there, he noted that "many T4 are there because of major work, not donations," which means the ladder is real but the rungs are made of action, not receipts.

The deeper logic behind tier placement shows up consistently across the Clergy's public writings. High Priest Zevios has explained that progression requires "material, psychological and intelligence stability, and superior judgement," because higher works are not given to those who lack conduct, self-control, ethics, or productive stability. That is why the specific benchmarks are not published as a numerical rubric; tier qualification involves holistic capacity, and the proof of record is "the ability to manage life, self manage, and be responsible in the use of power." His Givers, Receivers & The Gods sermon lays out the underlying principle: the Temple distinguishes between those who produce and those who merely receive, and the structure exists because the Gods confirmed it is correct.

Think of it this way: advancement in the HOO rests on what you have actually demonstrated, not on a checklist you can fill in from the outside. The deeper tiers operate on that same principle, which is why the Clergy handles individual evaluation directly rather than publishing a public rubric.

What you can do concretely, if your two years of dedication have produced results you can point to, is open a respectful ticket through the HOO platform or the official contact points. High Priest Zevios has made clear that HOO qualification matters are handled privately when they get into individual evaluation, and the Clergy is the proper authority on whether your specific record fits a specific tier. Lay out what you have actually accomplished in practice, ask what path they see for you, and let them respond with the full picture of your work. That is the path that gets a substantive, individual response.

If after hearing them you conclude the structure is not the right fit for how you want to engage, that is a reasonable conclusion to reach, and the Clergy will not hold it against you. The practical path forward from here is straightforward: keep working with the public Temple of Zeus and Library of Thoth materials, which are fully open, and when you are ready, talk to the Clergy directly about your specific situation.

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This is a public forum. You should contact either the High Priest or the Priest about this matter. You can find the Priest's email through his profile, and the following is a viable route as well;

By the way, if you dismiss access to the Hall on this basis, you are missing out big time. Actually, there is no reason for any Zevist understanding the importance of the Hall to dismiss it in any possible way. That is how important it is.

Aside from financial aid to the Temple (you are part of it), there are several other ongoing projects where helping hands are required. Every bit of work not only helps others but also yourself. When you put in time and effort, you can be very surprised by the positive effects in your personal life.

Hello and welcome to the forums!

I understand you expect to be shown numbers, and I see where you are coming from. Surely there are metrics and benchmarks, but personally I'm okay with not having been told every single thing.

It is not arbitrary, it is a system. In some countries you need to pass a standardized national university entrance test, in other countries you need to write an intention letter, submit CV, and have an interview. Does this mean you wouldn't apply to a university or job that requires you to have an interview or write a piece of article because they don't give you the metrics of how it is evaluated? This is not a reasonable approach.

Someone who made a donation without expecting anything in return before there were sacred rituals will not be the same with someone who came after seeing a ''I became a millionaire thanks to Egyptian Financial Blessing!'' in five years. Similarly, someone who works full time and donates more and someone who works only part time and donates less to be able to do work (translation, outreach, programming) for the temple, I assume, would not be evaluated the same.

So as every tier elevation request is processed individually, I don't expect to be given a table of x donation = x tier. There may also be cases of people with unsteady mental health or ill intentions who are rejected even if they have money. To have a gun you need to pass mental health tests and background checks, it is not just about money, actually the money is the least important part in that case.

I prefer to practice spirituality similar to empirical science, where results are recorded, challenged and peer reviewed. Obviously that is difficult to do, but it's worth trying in my opinion. I think Science is just the Occult understood well enough to be applied imperfectly, while the Occult by definition isn't understood adequately.

We can do our part in recording our spiritual journeys and reviewing each other's experiences for a reality check here in forums, please feel free to be more active.

Greetings

There’s a few things to digest here but I’ll start with this

The MO cannot simply be bought ,

The HoO system is to reward and empower those who are loyal to the temple and who help it evolve.

Your evolution has to have a purpose and has to also benefit the community and the Gods work on earth.

Some of the higher stages of advancement are about better aligning yourself with the will of the Gods

Moreover , having supremely advanced knowledge is akin to having nuclear codes, it can be dangerous in certain hands and it’s unlikely anybody who says they disregard morals and ethics will be likely to attain such things . money alone is not enough, and there is an approval process for certain knowledge which you can be denied .

That being said it’s not out of the realm of possibility that you can interact with HoO,

And if you have certain targets in mind I would privately message the clergy and ask

There are many tools that are invaluable and the things I have attained there I treasure far more than any possession .

I would implore you to reconsider perhaps how you approach this path maybe with more importance placed in the ethics and alignment with the Gods here , those who are loyal to the Gods will go very far.

On another note, much of this path takes much patience and time, and even the acquisition of this material often takes time to go through the proper channels before it is received. Most things in spirituality in general cannot be rushed .

There is a beauty in evolving slowly and properly to better your advancement

This is often needed before we reach higher levels 🙏🏼