Lucifer vs. Satan

[DiorDior]

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[Kris Tucker]

There were 2 different factions in the fall.  I don't know which one happened first, but these were the Enki and Enlil faction.  There are also some differences and they warred, with the dragon line being that of Enki.  Nordics humanoids are on the Enlil and Enki side, so that is where it gets confusing.  Nordic is only one light colored humanoid as they have others like Venusians. 


I'm not exactly sure, but I think that Lucifer may be of Enlil.  Just a theory.  Also you may notice if you look in pictures that different politicians and world leaders have been shown to make some sort of sign associated with Luciferianism, as well as some admitting it.  I don't have the article, but just remember reading it somewhere.



From: DiorDior <citymouse_alleycat@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:37:40 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Lucifer vs. Satan

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!







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[daitsun88]

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@... wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[daitsun88]

And Shamyaza/Azazel is mentioned as "Shamgaz" in the Lost Book of Enki, it does say that he is the leader of the Igigi (younger Gods). While Enki is the leader of the Annunaki (Elder Gods). Its easy to confuse them because they're both leaders of something.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@... wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[DiorDior]

Thank you for your replies.

This has been an issue for me for the past few years, as I have been confused. No more! This is the best news I have heard all year (seriously) because now there is no more confusion, and I am very happy.
Thank you for clearing up the issue and providing the links, I will read them thoroughly.

Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@... wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[the_pyro_ownz]

do you see how stupid you sound? satan is one of the 4 crowned princes blah blah blah no lucifer is above them all fool there is 5 each one for each of the elements and then spirit there are 4 princes each that goes under the command of the one in the middle which is lucifer lucifer is light bearer bring what ever you wanna call satan beelzebub ashtoreth and azazel each hold an element there are 7 elements earth wind fire water spirit light and darkness the light and darkness depends on what you use the 5 elements for without light there is no darkness for darkness is only a shadow without light and something inbetween to cast off a shadow there is no darkness learn your shit you just babbling will not get you the godhead i have my star where is yours? want a pic of my conquest? send me a email

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@... wrote:

And Shamyaza/Azazel is mentioned as "Shamgaz" in the Lost Book of Enki, it does say that he is the leader of the Igigi (younger Gods). While Enki is the leader of the Annunaki (Elder Gods). Its easy to confuse them because they're both leaders of something.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[daitsun88]

Wtf?The crowned princes represent the 4 directions as well those elements. It there a fifth direction.

Also, if you want to talk about stupid things at least some punctuation.

"do you see how stupid you sound?"

Yeah, says the guy who thinks he is possessed by the 72 Demons, and a person that has baphomet tatoos in his hands means he has reached godhead. LOL.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/12987

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_pyro_ownz" <the_pyro_ownz@... wrote:

do you see how stupid you sound? satan is one of the 4 crowned princes blah blah blah no lucifer is above them all fool there is 5 each one for each of the elements and then spirit there are 4 princes each that goes under the command of the one in the middle which is lucifer lucifer is light bearer bring what ever you wanna call satan beelzebub ashtoreth and azazel each hold an element there are 7 elements earth wind fire water spirit light and darkness the light and darkness depends on what you use the 5 elements for without light there is no darkness for darkness is only a shadow without light and something inbetween to cast off a shadow there is no darkness learn your shit you just babbling will not get you the godhead i have my star where is yours? want a pic of my conquest? send me a email

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

And Shamyaza/Azazel is mentioned as "Shamgaz" in the Lost Book of Enki, it does say that he is the leader of the Igigi (younger Gods). While Enki is the leader of the Annunaki (Elder Gods). Its easy to confuse them because they're both leaders of something.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[daitsun88]

P.S. Light and darkness are NOT elements. Light comes from the element of fire and darkness of water. You should "learn your shit" it seems...

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@... wrote:

Wtf?The crowned princes represent the 4 directions as well those elements. It there a fifth direction.

Also, if you want to talk about stupid things at least some punctuation.

"do you see how stupid you sound?"

Yeah, says the guy who thinks he is possessed by the 72 Demons, and a person that has baphomet tatoos in his hands means he has reached godhead. LOL.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/12987

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_pyro_ownz" <the_pyro_ownz@ wrote:

do you see how stupid you sound? satan is one of the 4 crowned princes blah blah blah no lucifer is above them all fool there is 5 each one for each of the elements and then spirit there are 4 princes each that goes under the command of the one in the middle which is lucifer lucifer is light bearer bring what ever you wanna call satan beelzebub ashtoreth and azazel each hold an element there are 7 elements earth wind fire water spirit light and darkness the light and darkness depends on what you use the 5 elements for without light there is no darkness for darkness is only a shadow without light and something inbetween to cast off a shadow there is no darkness learn your shit you just babbling will not get you the godhead i have my star where is yours? want a pic of my conquest? send me a email

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

And Shamyaza/Azazel is mentioned as "Shamgaz" in the Lost Book of Enki, it does say that he is the leader of the Igigi (younger Gods). While Enki is the leader of the Annunaki (Elder Gods). Its easy to confuse them because they're both leaders of something.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[daitsun88]

I read your past messages and you do nothing but insult members calling them fools and claim you are powerful. You obviously don't belong here, get out.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_pyro_ownz" <the_pyro_ownz@... wrote:

do you see how stupid you sound? satan is one of the 4 crowned princes blah blah blah no lucifer is above them all fool there is 5 each one for each of the elements and then spirit there are 4 princes each that goes under the command of the one in the middle which is lucifer lucifer is light bearer bring what ever you wanna call satan beelzebub ashtoreth and azazel each hold an element there are 7 elements earth wind fire water spirit light and darkness the light and darkness depends on what you use the 5 elements for without light there is no darkness for darkness is only a shadow without light and something inbetween to cast off a shadow there is no darkness learn your shit you just babbling will not get you the godhead i have my star where is yours? want a pic of my conquest? send me a email

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

And Shamyaza/Azazel is mentioned as "Shamgaz" in the Lost Book of Enki, it does say that he is the leader of the Igigi (younger Gods). While Enki is the leader of the Annunaki (Elder Gods). Its easy to confuse them because they're both leaders of something.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[En Haradren Amlug]

First and foremost. We know the truth of the Old Gods that are the Pagan Gods, who came before christianity.
We do not follow nor believe any of its false stories.

"Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred."
This did not occur, unless you are talking about the War between Father and the enemy Nordics.

Satan and Lucifer are one in the same. Satan is the bringer of knowladge. And, metaphorically, Lucifer is the bringer of light.
I know this from Satan himself. They are the same God. Why Satan is used more than Lucifer, It all comes down to occasion, what comes out and what feels right when writing, this too I have experiance in.

I am not saying you shouldnt believe in what you want. But if you are unsure of something, question Father.

Hail Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@... wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[En Haradren Amlug]

In Satanism, we do not treat Brothers and Sisters in this manner. Reconsider your tone and mindset. -Enlil

Hail Satan! Hail Enlil!

-En Haradren Amlug.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_pyro_ownz" <the_pyro_ownz@... wrote:

do you see how stupid you sound? satan is one of the 4 crowned princes blah blah blah no lucifer is above them all fool there is 5 each one for each of the elements and then spirit there are 4 princes each that goes under the command of the one in the middle which is lucifer lucifer is light bearer bring what ever you wanna call satan beelzebub ashtoreth and azazel each hold an element there are 7 elements earth wind fire water spirit light and darkness the light and darkness depends on what you use the 5 elements for without light there is no darkness for darkness is only a shadow without light and something inbetween to cast off a shadow there is no darkness learn your shit you just babbling will not get you the godhead i have my star where is yours? want a pic of my conquest? send me a email

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

And Shamyaza/Azazel is mentioned as "Shamgaz" in the Lost Book of Enki, it does say that he is the leader of the Igigi (younger Gods). While Enki is the leader of the Annunaki (Elder Gods). Its easy to confuse them because they're both leaders of something.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

No, they are the same being:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... Satan.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... itual.html

Kingu is the old earth's satellite, before it crashed with Nibiru, not a real being. Samael is a jewish insulting name for Satan, it is in the kike klipoth. The xian "god" isn't real, but a personified concept and a thoughtform, so Satan can't rebel against a thoughtform.

Shamyaza is Azazel, Azazel is not Satan, he is Udu/Shamash (note the simillarity between Shamash and Shamyaza ).

Also, Lucifer used to be a roman God, but it later went to mean Satan. If you summon Lucifer you'll see he is the Satan/Enki. Satan is the same as lucifer, read Satan's description on JoS it does that they are the same.

Satan is not a king, he is a crowned prince, along with Beelzebub, Astaroth and Azazel. If you read the standard ritual page, you invoke "Satan/Lucifer" from the east. See, they are the same being.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!

 

[En Haradren Amlug]

PS: this was posted before i read all the other posts, of course. hahaha

Hail Enki!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "En Haradren Amlug" <hecktic_shadow@... wrote:

First and foremost. We know the truth of the Old Gods that are the Pagan Gods, who came before christianity.
We do not follow nor believe any of its false stories.

"Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred."
This did not occur, unless you are talking about the War between Father and the enemy Nordics.

Satan and Lucifer are one in the same. Satan is the bringer of knowladge. And, metaphorically, Lucifer is the bringer of light.
I know this from Satan himself. They are the same God. Why Satan is used more than Lucifer, It all comes down to occasion, what comes out and what feels right when writing, this too I have experiance in.

I am not saying you shouldnt believe in what you want. But if you are unsure of something, question Father.

Hail Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "DiorDior" <citymouse_alleycat@ wrote:

My understanding is that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, although many believe they are one and the same. My reasoning is that Lucifer Morningstar is the archangel Samael, who led the revolt in Heaven, bringing down one third of the Host with him. I suspect that he was Kingu/Qingu.
Satan is Semyaza, the leader of the Watchers (from the Book of Enoch). He is Ea and Enki.
My question then is thus: On the JoS website, Lucifer and Satan are used interchangeably, but Satan is used more so.

If they are two different beings, which sigil is whom's?

If Satan is the main King of Hell, (and I am guessing Lucifer is also a King) are all the demons listed in the JoS website subordinate and answer to both of them, or only/mainly one?

If both of them are Kings of Hell, and we pray/speak to them, how can we tell who is who? Does it matter which one comes to you and answers?

Before I became a Christian (I am not one anymore, obviously) I was led to read
"From the Ashes of Angels" by Andrew Collins, which led me to the 1 Book of Enoch, which led me to where I am today. Also, the literature I have read in the past talks about the War in Heaven, which I believed occurred. I only mention this to explain where I am coming from.

Thank you for your insight and for reading my message.

Hail Lucifer! Hail Satan! Hail the Gods of Old!