Lost another lover...

[Bravera]

It was only half a month, but each day was so full of life. She had problems, serious ones, I wanted to show her my strength and intelligence, that I could help lift her out of this pain. I do believe she really did like me, maybe it was even true when she said she loved me. I was sure I had found love..

I looked past all of her problems, and honestly I feel sick and drained right now, my stomach is queasy and losing her made me cry. But, I have a renewed hope in finding true love.. a renewed hope in chasing my goals with the full strength of whatever youthfulness and soul I have remaining.

I thank the Gods for guiding me through this relationship, I won't give up on love.

 

[F_For_Flamingo]

Hail Brother!

I salute your strenght, don't give up!

Hail Father Satan!
Hail Mother Lillith!
Hail Teacher Biffrons!
Hail Guardian!

 

[Sunny]

Find another one, what is the problem.

 

[Sunny]

They don't know much, if you want to teach them you have to be patient because understanding doesn't come in an instant.

 

[Pumpkin671]

Never give up brother, love is hard to find, but worth it in the end.

 

[Bravera]

They don't know much, if you want to teach them you have to be patient because understanding doesn't come in an instant.

I am grateful to have alot of beautiful, intelligent, and hardworking women in my life. I know in contrast, the type you refer to, but I never spend too much time focusing on negatives. I know the red flags and have removed people from my life many times since becoming an SS.

 

[Veritá_666]

It was only half a month, but each day was so full of life. She had problems, serious ones, I wanted to show her my strength and intelligence, that I could help lift her out of this pain. I do believe she really did like me, maybe it was even true when she said she loved me. I was sure I had found love..

I looked past all of her problems, and honestly I feel sick and drained right now, my stomach is queasy and losing her made me cry. But, I have a renewed hope in finding true love.. a renewed hope in chasing my goals with the full strength of whatever youthfulness and soul I have remaining.

I thank the Gods for guiding me through this relationship, I won't give up on love.

I can advise you to do some emotional healing work and you should probably do some work to free yourself from this girl's influences and attachments.

Look at things in a broader perspective, your goal is to advance and perfect yourself, don't be afraid to break certain bonds.

As soon as you have freed yourself from negative influences regarding partners, including also the negative karma of Venus, you can start a Venus square to attract the perfect partner for you.

I suggest you do the liberation and healing first as these negative experiences can become a blockage when you look for a new partner, and can even lead your next relationships to failure.

Good luck.

 

[Sunny]

Work on wealth, it will help you a lot. By the way, what did you do for business that you said you'd invest with a loan? That I still advise against it. What I would recommend instead is to focus on art and other special things and especially spirituality. Spirituality is not everything but it is an extraordinary thing.

 

[Veritá_666]

Work on wealth, it will help you a lot. By the way, what did you do for business that you said you'd invest with a loan? That I still advise against it. What I would recommend instead is to focus on art and other special things and especially spirituality. Spirituality is not everything but it is an extraordinary thing.

Money is important, but it won't keep you warm at night.
It may be an option in case you want to distract yourself and resume your love ambitions in the future.

 

[Henu the Great]

There's a waxing moon in Libra coming up in about half a month. You could get her back if you really wanted to with a love spell. Most people are fickle and foolish, and they don't realize when someone is the best thing for them. Your value in that girl's life is bigger than she can even fathom, and it's her loss for throwing you away. But if you want her in your life then you don't have to accept this.

There are people who would cry about free will and all that crap about the "injustice" of love spells, but they have a limited mindset and perspective. If you want her then you will only ever be a net benefit to her life, and other energies will act in her life and influence her even if you don't influence her with your own energies. We influence people with our energies all the time in life, but for some reason people are only touchy about it when they hear the phrase "love spell."

Good luck brother. You have knowledge and power, and you don't have to accept this if you don't want to. You have many choices you can make, not just the path of acceptance.

There is no telling if there is compatibility between these two.

It is actually a better approach to make a spell for someone compatible. If these two are compatible then the spell would work in that direction as well.

 

[Sunny]

Work on wealth, it will help you a lot. By the way, what did you do for business that you said you'd invest with a loan? That I still advise against it. What I would recommend instead is to focus on art and other special things and especially spirituality. Spirituality is not everything but it is an extraordinary thing.

Money is important, but it won't keep you warm at night.
It may be an option in case you want to distract yourself and resume your love ambitions in the future.

I meant that well-being will help him to attract more girls and to stabilise a relationship.

 

[Aquarius]

Work on wealth, it will help you a lot. By the way, what did you do for business that you said you'd invest with a loan? That I still advise against it. What I would recommend instead is to focus on art and other special things and especially spirituality. Spirituality is not everything but it is an extraordinary thing.

Money is important, but it won't keep you warm at night.
It may be an option in case you want to distract yourself and resume your love ambitions in the future.

I can tell you still haven't finished highschool by what you just said.
Making money is not a distraction but a literal need for survival.

 

[NinRick]

It was only half a month, but each day was so full of life. She had problems, serious ones, I wanted to show her my strength and intelligence, that I could help lift her out of this pain. I do believe she really did like me, maybe it was even true when she said she loved me. I was sure I had found love..

I looked past all of her problems, and honestly I feel sick and drained right now, my stomach is queasy and losing her made me cry. But, I have a renewed hope in finding true love.. a renewed hope in chasing my goals with the full strength of whatever youthfulness and soul I have remaining.

I thank the Gods for guiding me through this relationship, I won't give up on love.

Why didn’t it work out?

 

[Veritá_666]

Work on wealth, it will help you a lot. By the way, what did you do for business that you said you'd invest with a loan? That I still advise against it. What I would recommend instead is to focus on art and other special things and especially spirituality. Spirituality is not everything but it is an extraordinary thing.

Money is important, but it won't keep you warm at night.
It may be an option in case you want to distract yourself and resume your love ambitions in the future.

I can tell you still haven't finished highschool by what you just said.
Making money is not a distraction but a literal need for survival.

I thought he meant to focus on making more money, as if it were a distraction from the love sphere.

 

[Pyralis]

It was only half a month, but each day was so full of life. She had problems, serious ones, I wanted to show her my strength and intelligence, that I could help lift her out of this pain. I do believe she really did like me, maybe it was even true when she said she loved me. I was sure I had found love..

I looked past all of her problems, and honestly I feel sick and drained right now, my stomach is queasy and losing her made me cry. But, I have a renewed hope in finding true love.. a renewed hope in chasing my goals with the full strength of whatever youthfulness and soul I have remaining.

I thank the Gods for guiding me through this relationship, I won't give up on love.

I know how it feels to care about someone and want to help them; I was in a similar situation not long ago. We were friends for many years, then became lovers, and eventually married. We even dedicated together. Like you, I tried my damnedest to help her and support her, to give her a chance to heal her wounds and overcome the awful things she'd had to endure.... It didn't take. All I got in return for everything I had done was the cold shoulder and a couple thousand dollars of debt. Needless to say, it ended in divorce.

I don't say this to demean you, but in all likelihood, you dodged a bullet. I don't say this to demean you either, but seeing the similarities between us and remembering my state of mind at the time, I was not mentally healthy. I sense there is a similar pervading darkness in your life, and I strongly suggest you seek help, whatever form that may take.

I wish you success in finding a healthy relationship.

 

[Henu the Great]

I'm not interested in having this discussion. Bravera knows his own situation best, and he can choose what he wants to do. I only offered my own advise that it's among the available choices to get his girl back because most people have the powerless thinking that once it's over then it's over. You can reignite feelings in others with magick, and you can guide things to the outcome that you want. Desire is desire, and if he wants this specific girl then that's what he wants. If he doesn't want her anymore and wants to accept what happened then that's also his decision, but I wanted to help remove the limiting mindset that this acceptance is necessary. Most people are forced to accept things that happen because they don't have a magick will, or they don't know how to use it even if they do. These limitations are conditioned upon the mind, and the mind that isn't limited by seeing only one outcome and hasn't been conditioned to accept an outcome as final will be capable of so much more - not due to greater ability, but greater potential for application. Power is useless if you don't know how to use it, and learning to see possibilities even if you don't intend to act on those possibilities is very important in my opinion.

If you have been reading his posts then you would be aware that he is not limited by mindset.

At the end of the day, I'm only trying to help a brother. I really, really don't care about the ethical discussions, and if I have to hear anymore talk of "taboo" for our own magick practices from mouths of arrogance who seek to impose rules for magick upon people here, or knee-jerk reactions saying "No no no do this it's better" then I think I'm going to snap and just permanently ignore my inbox. Bravera has options, and that's what I wanted to impart. I'm not invested in what he does with his magick. I don't lose sleep over wondering if he's going to get hurt, or if it's the best path for him or if it's truly serving his higher good or whatever. He's a big boy and he can handle himself, and if not then he has eternal Divine support available from beautiful beings who care about him. Maybe something unproductive will come of it, and maybe it won't end up being what he wanted after all. But he still has the right to do what he wants and pursue what he wants. Sometimes people aren't ready to let go, and what is best for someone in the long term might not necessarily be right in the short term (like when people need to learn something through experience before they can get to the better stuff). I understand what it's like to be crazy about a single girl and carry a torch for her and only have eyes for her, and if I had the knowledge back then that I do now then I would definitely be with them through willing it to be. That's because when I want something I don't take no for answer - if it's a relationship with another person then I'll have it, if it's money then I'll have it, if it's revenge upon some depraved soul then I'll have it. I don't limit my mind in these ways, and accepting an outcome isn't forced upon me. I'll change what I want to change, and I encourage others to do so too. Other people say "move on because there's something better for you" and I say "If what's better for you isn't what you want right now then go after what you want instead. So what if it's a detour, pursue what you want to your heart's content."

There is the approach of Do what Thou wilt by Alesiter Crowley et. al. and then there is superior mindset that takes consequences of your decisions into consideration before you embark on a choice. In another words being a child versus being a responsible adult.

Part of the growing up and maturing process is the realization that there is a better way of doing things instead of brute forcing your will. Picking a lock with specialised toolset versus drilling keyhole with a drill.

I am not only merely talking about the sitaution of OP here. Usually I post things that also apply in other similar scenarios, talking about things in general sense. There are many readers here and it should be taken into consideration what kind of impression we want to give others. In other words are we cave men or civilised beings.

Yes, you can eat a bag of dorritos if you want to, and the consequences are yours to reap. The same goes with anything else in life which is why I think, after a point, it becomes more and more important to think what your actions do to yourself and to others around you. This is growth.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

There is no telling if there is compatibility between these two.

It is actually a better approach to make a spell for someone compatible. If these two are compatible then the spell would work in that direction as well.

I'm not interested in having this discussion. Bravera knows his own situation best, and he can choose what he wants to do. I only offered my own advise that it's among the available choices to get his girl back because most people have the powerless thinking that once it's over then it's over. You can reignite feelings in others with magick, and you can guide things to the outcome that you want...

Both you and Henu make good points. All factors need to be considered.

It is necessary to think about how energy acts. Even if you are not limited by ethics, you are limited by natural limitations.
Ethics is about protecting the interests of others and maintaining stability. I believe this ties into why Saturn is exalted in Libra.

I wouldn't look at this as being personally limited, because you can manifest what you want with enough energy. It's about doing things in a manner that protects other people's interests. Yet, right now you may not care about many other people, but in the future, you will, because once society is back to normal it will be worth protecting.

 

[Henu the Great]

...

I found ironic that you mentioned knee jerk reaction from me, but you showed one instead.

Here Lydia said basically the same thing as I did: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=347297#p347297

I am not singling you out, even if you feel that way.

Farewell.

 

[tabby]

There's a waxing moon in Libra coming up in about half a month. You could get her back if you really wanted to with a love spell. Most people are fickle and foolish, and they don't realize when someone is the best thing for them. Your value in that girl's life is bigger than she can even fathom, and it's her loss for throwing you away. But if you want her in your life then you don't have to accept this.

There are people who would cry about free will and all that crap about the "injustice" of love spells, but they have a limited mindset and perspective. If you want her then you will only ever be a net benefit to her life, and other energies will act in her life and influence her even if you don't influence her with your own energies. We influence people with our energies all the time in life, but for some reason people are only touchy about it when they hear the phrase "love spell."

Good luck brother. You have knowledge and power, and you don't have to accept this if you don't want to. You have many choices you can make, not just the path of acceptance.

There is no telling if there is compatibility between these two.

It is actually a better approach to make a spell for someone compatible. If these two are compatible then the spell would work in that direction as well.

Not exactly. If one acquires the others astrology chart to compare with their own, compatibility can be determined in a responsible manner and decide for themselves if they will work to find someone else with a general compatibility spell or something more specific with someone already in their life.

I think what often comes to mind with love spells is the example of people who are crazy with a crush and decide to attempt a love spell to get said person without regard if the relationship will end up a healthy one or good for both people.

We are taught both versions of loves spells, both in the quote referencing The Aura page below, as well as on the Love Spell page.

For example:
You want love in your life:
Visualize your aura while you are in a trance, the deeper the better. Breathe in energy and affirm several times in the present tense:
“My aura is attracting my perfect [love/sexual partner, soul mate, whatever].” Change the affirmation to suit your own individual needs. Affirm this with meaning, five- ten times while breathing in energy.

To attract the love/lust and or attentions of a specific person:
Affirm: “I am programming my aura to attract and act on _________’s, aura. He/she finds me very attractive and sexually irresistible.”
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/AURA.html

There is also the common warning on this page:

"Now, with dealing with the aura and subconscious mind, one must always be 100% clear on every aspect of what is desired. With love, we don’t want one who is unavailable. With money, we don’t want it to come to us through tragedy- this sort of thing. When working with the mind and soul, energy takes the quickest and easiest route to bring us the desired result and if every aspect isn’t covered, any undirected energy will seek out whatever is available."

Using a general compatibility spell hoping it will direct towards a specific person you desire, is unlikely to manifest even if you are compatible with the specific person, as people can be compatible in multiple ways. As you change and grow, overcoming obstacles in your life and negative karma, the people you are compatible with may end up changing as well.

Yes, for some the general spell is better for their situation, for others with responsibility the specific spell is better. One over the other, makes no sense as both have their place.

In a specific sense, one can add the phrase "In a safe, healthy and positive way for me and [name of person], I am programming my aura to attract and act on [name of person]'s aura. .... " etc.

Would this example not prevent the situation many are often worried about regarding love spells directed at a specific person?

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Dude it was half a month grow the hell up. It sounds like you have abandonment issues. And in black terms stop trying to be captain save a hoe. I can’t believe hetero relationships are like this.

 

[Mastermind]

Work on wealth, it will help you a lot. By the way, what did you do for business that you said you'd invest with a loan? That I still advise against it. What I would recommend instead is to focus on art and other special things and especially spirituality. Spirituality is not everything but it is an extraordinary thing.

Money is important, but it won't keep you warm at night.
It may be an option in case you want to distract yourself and resume your love ambitions in the future.

I can tell you still haven't finished highschool by what you just said.
Making money is not a distraction but a literal need for survival.

Someone could say the same of you, given your reply.

 

[Henu the Great]

Not exactly. If one acquires the others astrology chart to compare with their own, compatibility can be determined in a responsible manner and decide for themselves if they will work to find someone else with a general compatibility spell or something more specific with someone already in their life.

There is no telling in this context as there is no info available... If there was, then it would be another story.

Using a general compatibility spell hoping it will direct towards a specific person you desire, is unlikely to manifest even if you are compatible with the specific person, as people can be compatible in multiple ways. As you change and grow, overcoming obstacles in your life and negative karma, the people you are compatible with may end up changing as well.

I did not say to direct a general spell towards someone specific. General spell would be general, and if it would attract the one you were with before, then that would be the result of it.

Yes, for some the general spell is better for their situation, for others with responsibility the specific spell is better. One over the other, makes no sense as both have their place.

What responsibility? You would need to know the compatibility beforehand targeting specific person, no? That would count as responsibilty, I would say. If you do not know and force your will over another, then that is not responsible.

In a specific sense, one can add the phrase "In a safe, healthy and positive way for me and [name of person], I am programming my aura to attract and act on [name of person]'s aura. .... " etc.

Would this example not prevent the situation many are often worried about regarding love spells directed at a specific person?

Replied above.

 

[Aquarius]

Money is important, but it won't keep you warm at night.
It may be an option in case you want to distract yourself and resume your love ambitions in the future.

I can tell you still haven't finished highschool by what you just said.
Making money is not a distraction but a literal need for survival.

Someone could say the same of you, given your reply.

You flatter me

 

[tabby]

Not exactly. If one acquires the others astrology chart to compare with their own, compatibility can be determined in a responsible manner and decide for themselves if they will work to find someone else with a general compatibility spell or something more specific with someone already in their life.

...

There is no telling in this context as there is no info available... If there was, then it would be another story.

That's why it's wiser to not assume and make such statements. You specifically, cannot tell if there is compatibility, that doesn't mean you should go saying there is none.

I did not say to direct a general spell towards someone specific. General spell would be general, and if it would attract the one you were with before, then that would be the result of it.

I didn't say you did. I said "Using a general compatibility spell hoping it will direct towards a specific person you desire...." - as in you make a general spell but you "hope" the energies will draw in the specific person you want, not that you are actively trying to direct the general spell at the person thinking it will work like that. Seems my articulation wasn't great. Let me rephrase the sentence:

"Using a general compatibility spell hoping [the energies] will [naturally attract] a specific person you desire...." - does this clarify things? ... *sighs* probably not. I'm talking from the perspective of someone who wants a specific person but uses a general spell hoping the result will be the specific person anyway. Their own desires would contradict the affirmation of the working, and maybe cause problems with it manifesting well, because their desires are saying "I want this specific person", while the affirmation is generalized.

If someone wants the person they were with before, it doesn't make sense to do a general spell for love. The energies are unlikely to attract that person specifically and instead look for an easier route that matches the affirmation. It may end up bypassing the specific person completely, in the case of a previous lover, because they may not be ready for a relationship again yet and reject the energy pull where it would have otherwise attracted them at that time.

In the case of a previous lover, a working to heal the relationship would do well, rather than simply attracting them. Maybe even one to create the opportunity for you to be in closer contact with this person, making for a more successful love spell later on. For a new lover, a general one if you would rather cast out a wide net. Or a specific spell, if there's that one that you desire. Different situations require different workings and affirmations, and approaches.

Working with magick has taught me that expecting a specific outcome when you are working with a general affirmation, is unlikely to give you the results you hope for. How your statement reads (for me at least), is that a general spell still has the potential to attract someone specific. But that seems to be sending the wrong message to those who haven't had decent experience with affirmations.

One might think, "well if I'm compatible with them and they with me anyway, the general spell should still result in attracting this person to me." But the likelihood is that they will attract someone else, and wonder why it didn't work the way they wanted. The person they want could very well indeed be compatible with them, but someone else was more easily pulled in first by the energies because that was the easiest and quickest route it could take in the world of opportunities and possibilities.

You wouldn't want to cast out a net over a school of fish when you're desiring to catch a whale.

What responsibility? You would need to know the compatibility beforehand targeting specific person, no? That would count as responsibilty, I would say. If you do not know and force your will over another, then that is not responsible.

That's exactly what I'm referring to. Just re-read what I wrote originally... I explained that part at the beginning. If you are sure you are compatible, then would the affirmation I suggested not be safe and moral according to the teachings of Satanism? As the affirmation is not just working positively and safely etc for you but also the other person.

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As a suggestion, to anyone reading, perhaps it would be good to share experiences with love spells and different affirmations, since this seems to be a very very grey area with too much speculation and not enough actual data.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Someone could say the same of you, given your reply.

You flatter me

You're flattered by your own dis? That explains a lot. Your wires are all crossed, and an insult sounds like a compliment to you. When you go around throwing shade at people, you're actually sending them enormous amounts of love from the depths of your twisted heart.

They don't understand this though, Aquarius. You need to inform them so they don't take it the wrong way.

For what reason do you make everything antagonistic? You seek conflict everywhere you go.

What is the purpose of that? What does it accomplish? Where does it bring you, or the people you speak to?

Clearly to me, Aquarius there is just having a laugh and making a sarcastic reply, because he doesn't feel offended by what is said to him, nether is he concerned with the words of others against him. Instead of arguing, he sarcastically agrees with a smile and calls it a day.

Yet, not only you fail to see the obvious, but also use it to validate your own strange opinions about the person, attempting to antagonize them, as if you were hunting for something to catch them on and now after reading Aquarius's reply think to yourself "Aha, Now I've Gotcha!", and take this as an opportunity to antagonize him for literally no reason.

It is a very strange behavior, and I have question why you feel the compulsive need to do this everywhere.

What do you seek to accomplish through this?

I'm genuinely curious, because I am trying to understand exactly what makes you act as you do, and what your purpose is in doing so.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [SG]]

This is getting tiring and absurd. Voice of Enki is one of the most awesome SS, and I like him very much. He also is very correct and just in his approach as far as I saw his posts.

Aquarius has a laid back attitude and he is a SS as well. Same goes for everyone else.

Everyone is advancing as well.

This rebellion is put towards the wrong end, it would be more fruitful to base it on a real project or subject, in depth and not artificially just as a pure reaction.

Jrvan, you are perceived with an anti-hero charm as an attitude that is found many times in movies and patterns of psychology.

Your motivation while may be with an aim of fairness, fails the end of this by simply targeting low preoccupations and tete-a-tete personal interactions.

You have received advice. If you think something is ungodly developing while other people don't see it, you are free to contact the Gods. However your attitude of perpetuated self imposing over I would say quite intimate measures is damaging and tiring.

You warn that you may go of the forums etc, this is revealing of a problem that you need to fix. While we may not be all here very liking of each other, there is need for harmony and peace among ourselves,, ideally this should be accounted for anytime this is started.

These are baseless attacks and this should stop, in any and all ways. Fruitfull discussion can happen, yet being that it doesn't arise, one needs to ask why and the purpose of this.

 

[Shadowcat]

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There is no telling if there is compatibility between these two.

It is actually a better approach to make a spell for someone compatible. If these two are compatible then the spell would work in that direction as well.

I'm not interested in having this discussion. Bravera knows his own situation best, and he can choose what he wants to do. I only offered my own advise that it's among the available choices to get his girl back because most people have the powerless thinking that once it's over then it's over. You can reignite feelings in others with magick, and you can guide things to the outcome that you want...

Both you and Henu make good points. All factors need to be considered.

It is necessary to think about how energy acts. Even if you are not limited by ethics, you are limited by natural limitations.
Ethics is about protecting the interests of others and maintaining stability. I believe this ties into why Saturn is exalted in Libra.

I wouldn't look at this as being personally limited, because you can manifest what you want with enough energy. It's about doing things in a manner that protects other people's interests. Yet, right now you may not care about many other people, but in the future, you will, because once society is back to normal it will be worth protecting.

This is also a good point, and i believe the point Henu was trying to make also was that it is wasteful to try to attract someone who left you in hopes of getting them back when you could do the same working to specifically attract the perfect partner for you or one that is closest to that as possible. Because in the long run it will save a lot of heart and headache. If you use that spell on someone specific that left or other, incompatible synastry will manifest sooner or later and the working will have proven to be a waste. Just my opinion.

 

[Shadowcat]

Not exactly. If one acquires the others astrology chart to compare with their own, compatibility can be determined in a responsible manner and decide for themselves if they will work to find someone else with a general compatibility spell or something more specific with someone already in their life.

There is no telling in this context as there is no info available... If there was, then it would be another story.

That's why I said that Bravera knows his situation best. It was stupid of you to knock down my advice to say "oh no, they shouldn't do that, they should do this instead" when it's just giving a variety of advice on his thread. You also claimed to be preaching to a general audience to spare them from "bad advice" or whatever, but again it's on Bravera's thread and my advice was for him rather than a general crowd. Still you had to act like what I was saying was erroneous or even dangerous when it wasn't.

A general crowd can't make use of universal love advice anyway, or even magick advice for that matter. Assuming that everyone wants a single love relationship that lasts forever is also a mistake. People can still learn a lot and grow a lot from a love relationship even if it's not perfect, isn't 100% compatible, and doesn't last forever. And it's more fun for some people to experiment like this and have temporary love relationships or even short flings compared to waiting around for the perfect match to settle down with, or hoping that a generalized love spell brings someone along. Even with such energy attraction methods, you might be playing the odds. Compatible people could be too far away, or tied up in another relationship, too young, too old - honestly who knows. Doing a love spell on a crush or someone you have the hots for is not illegal. That's what this argument is really about, the effing morality of it. It's judging and condemning people who do things that you don't approve of even though it's normal. Using energy to manifest a result is normal. There are other people who are far more cunning, manipulative, deceitful, and even forceful in overriding or denying someone's "free will" or whatever, and they don't use magick at all. That's why I tried to sidestep your first obnoxious reply to me because I'm tired of these stupid morality discussions that are so absolutely pointless to talk about, and I've already explained so many damn times already that people are going to do these things whether we talk about it or not, and there's no way to stop them. It's literally a waste of time to talk about it. Of course, then you decided to be a dick and escalate in your following reply, and compare me to Crowley. That's why I got hostile. You and others are keeping this retarded meme alive that I'm supposedly promoting lawlessness even though I'm obviously not. It's low grade propaganda bullshit, and I'm sick of it.

Assuming that everyone wants a single love relationship that lasts forever is also a mistake. People can still learn a lot and grow a lot from a love relationship even if it's not perfect, isn't 100% compatible, and doesn't last forever. And it's more fun for some people to experiment like this and have temporary love relationships or even short flings compared to waiting around for the perfect match to settle down with, or hoping that a generalized love spell brings someone along

Some people prefer this and can even be happy with several people in an open relationship. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with this, but like with all relationships sexual and non, one is best off being selective about who they let into ones life. I don't think i have to tell you that one however. But the above preference or the opposite thereof is also dependent on ones personal astrology. Some will want this some will want something else. So the spell to attract the perfect lifelong partner is better off for someone say, who is monogamous whereas something different would be better for someone who needs variety.

 

[Jack]

It was only half a month, but each day was so full of life. She had problems, serious ones, I wanted to show her my strength and intelligence, that I could help lift her out of this pain. I do believe she really did like me, maybe it was even true when she said she loved me. I was sure I had found love..

I looked past all of her problems, and honestly I feel sick and drained right now, my stomach is queasy and losing her made me cry. But, I have a renewed hope in finding true love.. a renewed hope in chasing my goals with the full strength of whatever youthfulness and soul I have remaining.

I thank the Gods for guiding me through this relationship, I won't give up on love.

Why would you want to look past her problems and think to yourself that you should fix a person with serious problems as you say.

Life is not a movie. If you attracted a woman who had serious issues and you tried to fix her in order to feel like you're also valued by her ,this just means you have some serious problems as well.

Like attracts like. If you have low character or abilities in your life you will have insecurities and you will attract woman who have insecurities as well.

This is the most delusional mindset that men have where they feel inclined to form these toxic relationships because they have low value themselves.

A high value man does not pick broken women and try to fix them. A high value man has a variety of high quality options and he picks the best quality one who has the best compatibility and demonstrates highest value to him.

Words are used to inflate and conflate feelings.

The best phrase a player can use to make a woman love him is "I feel a genuine connection with you. " ,"I feel you're special" ,"I feel we have chemistry. "

All of these are catchphrases. And if you fell for this from a woman it means she was probably traumatized by a player before.

You have to look at the actual facts of the situation.

She did not respect you.
She did not love you.
She saw you as a Beta male rebound and now after USING you she's going to go to a man who can actually lead her and demonstrates higher value.

Words can be very easily used to lie. Look at their actions.

If she loved you really, did she start cooking for you ? Did she start cleaning your clothes without you telling her ? Was she initiating sex ? Was she very inquisitive about your life and starting conversations with you first ? Was she happy, smiling and Ecstatic around you ? Did she introduce you to her family and friends ?

By looking at your words about love it's clear you believe in the delusional Disney Fairy Tail of love.

Average women have a lot more experience in love than average men. Men have a very idealistic view of love while the women have a very opportunistic view of love.

You need to CHOOSE to love from a position of power not SCARCITY.

If you're a high value man. And you have a very likeable Disposition that women are attracted to. And you have OBJECTIVE facts behind your value like money and resources ,then you have OPTIONS.

Multiple women will try to get with you on the basis of your value and compatibility. In that Scenario you can choose to love a woman who is the most beautiful ,the most compatible and the most giving in terms of value.

Let go of the view of Idealistic love. It is poisoning your relationships and interactions with women.

You have to be a WINNER and you have to have a WINNER woman as a counterpart. Losers can't be choosers, remember that.

https://b-ok.asia/book/1109611/cc0223

Do a working to rid yourself of your Idealistic vision of love and become REALISTIC.

Do workings to develop yourself as a man physically, monetarily and socially.

Then do workings to a attract a high quality COMPATIBLE mate ,not something which has issues of problems.

Strive for perfection. Love needs to be deserved.

If you have the need to try to fix someone else to feel loved then it could mean you have psychological issues from your childhood.

https://b-ok.asia/book/1107619/89aaed

 

[TheAbyss]

I feel sorry for Bravera, I don't think he would have expected his post to become a battleground for pointless interpersonal discussion. He was just looking for some help and now he has to read such things. Didn't even get a chance to explain his situation well so that he could be helped in the most optimal way.

I don't understand why there are so many endless discussions in the forum lately, it takes up so much of your time for nothing.

 

[Aquarius]

Someone could say the same of you, given your reply.

You flatter me

You're flattered by your own dis? That explains a lot. Your wires are all crossed, and an insult sounds like a compliment to you. When you go around throwing shade at people, you're actually sending them enormous amounts of love from the depths of your twisted heart.

They don't understand this though, Aquarius. You need to inform them so they don't take it the wrong way.

Well he pointed out that I could be in high school, that's like saying "you're younger", and me being a beautiful miss i'm flattered by it. Kisses

 

[Aquarius]

What is the purpose of that? What does it accomplish? Where does it bring you, or the people you speak to?

Wait, was Jrvan actually serious there? I even made a funny reply to him, now he's gonna think I'm a ladyboy? Lol

 

[Bravera]

Dude it was half a month grow the hell up. It sounds like you have abandonment issues. And in black terms stop trying to be captain save a hoe. I can’t believe hetero relationships are like this.

I wanted to share a story about me chasing one of my most important goals. I will never "grow" out of this honestly. I love flirting and dating, but I only want one women. If I pick someone, I'm gonna put everything I can until I'm sure it's over.

I want to, like our great civilizers, build great families and kingdoms, I have to start with my own. If I had the right women in my life, I know I would be greatly empowered, but I will not let my anyone impact my spiritual growth negatively, I've got enough of a problem dealing with my own self.

Thanks for your concern, but I like to find the faults in what others might find as logic. How many billions of children were borne out of the labor of love? How many great men chose to be a POWERFUL man for his Beautiful yet less powerful women? That should be every man's responsibility, it gives true respect, honor, and alignment with what Nature has bestowed to us.

 

[Veritá_666]

How many great men chose to be a POWERFUL man for his Beautiful yet less powerful women? That should be every man's responsibility, it gives true respect, honor, and alignment with what Nature has bestowed to us.

You know, that's not really the case.
There are many men who improve and become more advanced day by day just to reach the level of their beloved.
There is no law in this, it varies according to the situation.
I have found that many women who seem weaker or more delicate actually want to have a free and strong spirit.
So don't be prejudiced on this, you can be their big and strong man, but there will be situations where she will be the one who is big and strong.
But in the end it is impossible to give a definition for everything in these cases.

A man and a woman complement each other and are necessary for each other.

 

[NinRick]

You flatter me

You're flattered by your own dis? That explains a lot. Your wires are all crossed, and an insult sounds like a compliment to you. When you go around throwing shade at people, you're actually sending them enormous amounts of love from the depths of your twisted heart.

They don't understand this though, Aquarius. You need to inform them so they don't take it the wrong way.

For what reason do you make everything antagonistic? You seek conflict everywhere you go.

Said the same months ago *cough* *cough*

 

[tabby]

This is getting tiring and absurd. Voice of Enki is one of the most awesome SS, and I like him very much. He also is very correct and just in his approach as far as I saw his posts.

Aquarius has a laid back attitude and he is a SS as well. Same goes for everyone else.

Everyone is advancing as well.

This rebellion is put towards the wrong end, it would be more fruitful to base it on a real project or subject, in depth and not artificially just as a pure reaction.

Jrvan, you are perceived with an anti-hero charm as an attitude that is found many times in movies and patterns of psychology.

Your motivation while may be with an aim of fairness, fails the end of this by simply targeting low preoccupations and tete-a-tete personal interactions.

You have received advice. If you think something is ungodly developing while other people don't see it, you are free to contact the Gods. However your attitude of perpetuated self imposing over I would say quite intimate measures is damaging and tiring.

You warn that you may go of the forums etc, this is revealing of a problem that you need to fix. While we may not be all here very liking of each other, there is need for harmony and peace among ourselves,, ideally this should be accounted for anytime this is started.

These are baseless attacks and this should stop, in any and all ways. Fruitfull discussion can happen, yet being that it doesn't arise, one needs to ask why and the purpose of this.

Baseless? Personally, I'll object to that. How many times have jrvan been unfairly picked on, attacked, and ridiculed since he got here, and few if any, stepped in to stop it or say something against it?

Shall I count the numerous times he's had his arguments twisted to fit the personal narratives of other people's conditioned bias, called a cuck and other various insults, and had his personal life used against him to credit a lame argument against him?

Everyone is supposed to be different and individual, but the same group of guys seem to have a problem with the fact jrvan is not like you lot. That's how it all started in the first place. jrvan wasn't manly enough for you. He wasn't cold and iron hearted enough for you. He wasn't xian traditional mindset enough for you. He wasn't perfect enough 10+ years dedicated 5M posts enough for you.

No one seems to want to admit to their own behaviors towards others, but the moment jrvan gets fed up and frustrated by others behaviors towards him, fingers start pointing and he's labelled the boogy man. EVERYONE's communication can get better. But it seems the only people that advice is pushed on to is everyone on the receiving end of dog bites, not the ones who dish it. Relationships and communication is a two way street, not a highway and a bike path.

Can you imagine any other new people receiving even half the crap jrvan has gotten, but quieter personalities? Do you think they would survive their first year on the JoS without either turning away from the toxicity and abrasiveness, or become colder and hardened (negative meaning) when engaging with their brothers and sisters? Some might claim "well that just means they were weak and didn't deserve to be here, clearly." That is a highly anti-growth and expansion mindset, and toxic to anyone we are trying to reach.

I know this is not the topic to mention this, but personally, JoS has felt closed off and isolated - and I don't mean in the sense of literally in the way that we are the targets of all jewish programming and unaccepted by society. I mean this in the sense that established members seem unwilling and un-accepting of anything new entering into the forums. Maybe I'm crazy, but despite there being a post from HP Hoodedcobra about how we should treat new people, few seem to practice his wisdom towards people who don't have established years on their backs.

I've also noticed the mindset that people treat new people as ignorant and stupid without any experience, as if they are new born children. Some of them are, and I understand this tends to apply largely with spirituality, but so many forget or simply ignore there is a life and past for everyone who comes here outside of JoS. People come here already knowing life experiences, the only thing that is new is magick and spirituality. But they are treated as if they are lesser simply for not having grand spiritual experience under their belt. People attempt to impart wisdom of the outer world they have gained here, but often I see this get undermined or even dismissed or outright attacked, simply on the premise of one's level of spiritual experience.

We are meant to guide people, not beat into their heads spiritual concepts that they failed to automatically understand when they got here, and socially punish them for not understanding something or having karma issues, or simply being human.

The forums are meant to be a welcoming place for people to learn. A library of truth open to everyone, and help guide them to Satan. Honestly... if not for the efforts of a small few and the HP, this place would not feel very welcoming nor warm. Different approaches must be used, because there are some who seem to insist on methods and approaches that don't apply to most situations with people. You're used to trolls and overly reactive people who want to start things just because, and infiltrators, but you blind yourselves to those who are here genuinely to grow. Do people here not use their senses when engaging with others? Can you not immediately know from first engagement with another if they are genuine or sinister? Retaining negative energy, not dealing with certain inner issues, or not meditating and vice versa? Is it not part of your everyday interactions?

Believe what you want, but at the end of the day, too many are relying on logic and their physical eyes, and not trusting their spiritual minds and serpents. It would not be hard to understand that what you are seeing with jrvan is someone who is just trying to do their best among louder toxic and/or overly abrasive individuals, but gets the finger pointed at him saying "you're the problem, you're not good enough". You expect immediate change overnight, and set unrealistic expectations on those who come here. If people are not taking on your advice then they must be retarded or unwilling to grow. No one seems to consider that maybe some advice doesn't work for that person, their astrology, and their situation?

The only expectations on SS is that we grow and meditate, and aid the Gods in ways we can manage. Our pace is our own, and not for others to dictate. There is no delicacy or careful hand in how many here treat newer members (especially under the magick number of 10 years...). People are treated as soldiers, not people.

It is incredibly sad that the impression that has been presented in the time I've been here, is that the only people here you can trust their word on is the clergy and the Gods, because so often people can't practice what they preach.

I'm not angry at you, NakedPluto. This isn't directed to yourself and your behavior either. You've just given me an opportunity to say how I feel and what I've observed in general.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

Well you see, I care about my people in a wider general sense. But when it comes to individuals, I'm selective and varied with how I treat people. I take it case by case. I've mentioned that I have very low care about the fate of others in certain situations. These situations that I have mentioned include ones where people have harmed me, or hypothetical ones where an individual is in my way like I mentioned with a career as the example......

I haven't once promoted lawlessness like others have claimed. This stuff about Crowley is absolutely ridiculous. I have actively spoken about the consequences of breaking the law, and how an individual's free will to choose to commit a crime doesn't negate the free will of other individuals (or the state) to punish them.....

I understand. There is a degree of ruthlessness that should be employed, not just for one's own sake, but also to ensure the prosperity of Satanism as a whole. Obviously, what is fair and just varies on a case-by-case basis.

The point with love relationships is about finding the best case for all people involved. That is why we are all throwing ideas around about the best method here.

You are right that we don't know the whole situation. It is possible that Bravera's best option is to detach, or it could be best to stay with her. We don't even know why they broke up, or if she is Satanic, etc. Many missing details all weigh on the situation.

The point with Crowley was just an exaggerated comparison referring to excessive egoism. I can understand how you find it insulting, but I also think your reactions are excessively combative towards Henu. In a broader sense, it sounds like you are generally very frustrated, and sort of lashing out.

Maybe what is confusing in this situation is that both you and Henu are making good points, and it would be otherwise good that both you and Henu, plus Tabby, contributed here. Yet, it sounds like you have gotten more angry than normal, which would then create bad outcomes.

Perhaps you are overly invested in this discussion, or maybe you have felt pressured and are letting this come out. For some reason like this, I feel your reactions became overly combative when it was not necessary.

I think you would do better by pursuing a gentler tone with your communications. If done correctly, this would not take away any value from your thoughts, but would rather increase your influence on those who read them. Try to hold back some punches, and you will see fewer punches come back at you. This is because you are dealing with your brothers and sisters, not enemies.

 

[Draconi666]

It was only half a month, but each day was so full of life. She had problems, serious ones, I wanted to show her my strength and intelligence, that I could help lift her out of this pain. I do believe she really did like me, maybe it was even true when she said she loved me. I was sure I had found love..

I looked past all of her problems, and honestly I feel sick and drained right now, my stomach is queasy and losing her made me cry. But, I have a renewed hope in finding true love.. a renewed hope in chasing my goals with the full strength of whatever youthfulness and soul I have remaining.

I thank the Gods for guiding me through this relationship, I won't give up on love.

Me also longing for love long time already, but thoughts are coming in this kind that If all experience is from inside no matter what and with whom, and inside I’m only one, so why I should need another person, even someone is around me, inside I am anyway alone, and inside there is place only for one person, and again all experience is only from inside. These thoughts come when I start to think about love :/ it’s strange, but it is true.

 

[NinRick]

For what reason do you make everything antagonistic? You seek conflict everywhere you go.

Said the same months ago *cough* *cough*

And you weren't any more correct in your assessment at that time than he is now. It's a flat out lie to say that I'm the source of all conflict when people are attacking me. You people are insane.

We are insane, riiight.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

What is the purpose of that? What does it accomplish? Where does it bring you, or the people you speak to?

Wait, was Jrvan actually serious there? I even made a funny reply to him, now he's gonna think I'm a ladyboy? Lol

In his reply to me he did say he wasn't serious, so I take it that was his attempt at sarcasm.

Perhaps I had been too serious to question it.