I WAS A JEW ALL ALONG I INFILTRATED AND I DECIEVED YOU ALL

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

The reason people behave like apes towards others is precisely because they do it repeatedly and with impunity. And begin to develop a sense of superiority and ego from disrespecting others.

This stops when you show they aren't an all important, all knowing figure with the right to freely disrespect anyone at their discretion. When you break this bubble of self importance, and show them how petty and pathetic they really are, you are bringing them out of that bubble and back into reality.


People who behave like apes must be addressed on the spot. Otherwise ape behavior becomes the norm. Nobody should post in these forums and constantly have to worry if an ape will join the conversation and start shitting all over the thread spitting insults indiscriminately. People should be able to discuss without having to constantly deal with this kind of garbage.

I've been ignoring this kind of shit for years and it doesn't change anything. If anything these people only become more self important and even more toxic the more they are permitted to do this with impunity.

Ramier's point is that you can do this without also fighting the other person. For example, if you are disciplined by an adult, do they beat you up, or are their stern words enough to make you change?

Even if you believe that you must initially strike hard to shatter the person's unjust self-importance, then steps should be made to make the situation constructive.

So yes, you are justified in saying something, but it shouldn't devolve into a fight. I am not saying this is easy, either, just that that is the ideal goal.

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I remember you saying something to Jack about making his authority more charismatic or something along those lines. That is the same thing here, where one needs the ability to discipline someone without making the target feel attacked.

Following your analogy, you have to civilize the ape, not just leave him flattened. Sure, this is harder than just flattening him, but it is better for society as a whole.

Again, that does not mean you shouldn't say something, it is just that there are additional steps that need to be taken.

 

[NinRick]

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This is exactly what I said, and I still stand by that.
And people point that out more and more now. (I pointed this out multiple times, months ago even)

Why do I have to like him, and pretend to do?
Why am I not allowed to express myself?
I do not have to like everyone, do I?

Perhaps your observations weren't clear at the time. Or, perhaps you were being overzealous within the scope of a particular interaction. Maybe it was just that your conclusion seemed overly rude, despite being true.

There are tons of different factors involved, which can make these sorts of discussions difficult. To some degree, everyone has to take this forum drama lightly, be willing to forgive when appropriate, and so on.

This is by no means easy to accomplish, and there shouldn't be any expectations of perfection. However, if a thread is flying off the rails with fighting, then all parties need to take steps to disengage.

Usually, once a point is made to another, this is all you can do. You can point them in the right direction, then move on. It is their responsibility to plug their personality holes.

It is no fighting if I say I don’t like someone and won’t waste time on their essays of arguments for no reason.

 

[NinRick]

Almost every single frequent member here has had the exact same kind of bad experiences with Jrvan. The way he creates arguments with everybody, twists everything around, contradicting himself, and always changing the subject to something completely different every time you make a point.

All of us have very different personalities, so every one of us should have interactions with different results. Every person should naturally have their own unique set of other personality traits that each person clashes with. But Jrvan has managed to have the exact same kind of friction with almost everybody which is strange if all of us are different. And every time what he does is blame every single other person and refuse to look at himself.


This has been going on for long enough now, repeated exactly the same way with so many people, that there are many of us who are becoming tired of it. We do not have endless amounts of patience. There is no more supply of "benefit of the doubt." He just chooses to have a personality that many of us are not very well going to align with.

He has only been here a pretty short time, and has ended up in the center of more arguments than almost anybody. Every day he is starting shit with someone else again.

Yes Yes Yes

 

[Dahaarkan]

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The reason people behave like apes towards others is precisely because they do it repeatedly and with impunity. And begin to develop a sense of superiority and ego from disrespecting others.

This stops when you show they aren't an all important, all knowing figure with the right to freely disrespect anyone at their discretion. When you break this bubble of self importance, and show them how petty and pathetic they really are, you are bringing them out of that bubble and back into reality.


People who behave like apes must be addressed on the spot. Otherwise ape behavior becomes the norm. Nobody should post in these forums and constantly have to worry if an ape will join the conversation and start shitting all over the thread spitting insults indiscriminately. People should be able to discuss without having to constantly deal with this kind of garbage.

I've been ignoring this kind of shit for years and it doesn't change anything. If anything these people only become more self important and even more toxic the more they are permitted to do this with impunity.

Ramier's point is that you can do this without also fighting the other person. For example, if you are disciplined by an adult, do they beat you up, or are their stern words enough to make you change?

Even if you believe that you must initially strike hard to shatter the person's unjust self-importance, then steps should be made to make the situation constructive.

So yes, you are justified in saying something, but it shouldn't devolve into a fight. I am not saying this is easy, either, just that that is the ideal goal.

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I remember you saying something to Jack about making his authority more charismatic or something along those lines. That is the same thing here, where one needs the ability to discipline someone without making the target feel attacked.

Following your analogy, you have to civilize the ape, not just leave him flattened. Sure, this is harder than just flattening him, but it is better for society as a whole.

Again, that does not mean you shouldn't say something, it is just that there are additional steps that need to be taken.

I think you're right. The point of the tone in which I respond is to prove a point, which is when you are disrespectful to others you make it only fair that they disrespect you also. But people seem to miss this simple point and see it as a personal attack. It's not working.


I do not agree with the argument that one is simply "expressing" how they feel and this shouldn't be inhibited. Sometimes I also feel like expressing my feelings towards my loud neighbors by bashing their heads in with a rock. The reason I don't do this is the same reason one shouldn't go off insulting and demoralizing other people just because of one's feelings or emotions.

Because when everyone starts behaving like impulsive apes and have no respect for those around us, civilization collapses and everything becomes a circus. This happens here also. As much as someone might be in the wrong, correcting them in an insulting and demoralizing fashion only has 2 possible outcomes:

1 - The person accepts this abuse and then begins to repeat this behavior towards others.

2 - The person feels personally attacked and rejects all the truthful content of your message, and begins to respond in the same tone creating another circus thread.


And then typically the person who initially provoked this simply pins the blame on the guy who responded. Sorry but even if you weren't the spark that started the fire, you covered the place in gasoline and provoked someone to blow it up. When you are rude and disrespectful and cause someone to start being like this towards you also, you are not at all the victim here.

Nobody likes to see 200 reply argument threads, but ironically nobody wants to address the behavior that is the root of this issue. Is it really that difficult to be respectful and calm when explaining things to people...



The point I made to jack, and I made that point more than once but he never got it. Is that the manner in which you word your statement is more important than it's contents.

You can be saying absolute undeniable truth, and your message be completely rejected by the recipient simply because of the way you have conveyed your message.

Likewise you can be saying total bullshit and blatant lies, and people completely believe you and stand behind you simply because you worded your statement in a convincing and charismatic manner.

Charisma isn't just a useful thing for a leader it is an absolute necessity if you hope to get anyone to support and follow you.

 

[NinRick]

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This is exactly what I said, and I still stand by that.
And people point that out more and more now. (I pointed this out multiple times, months ago even)

Why do I have to like him, and pretend to do?
Why am I not allowed to express myself?
I do not have to like everyone, do I?

Perhaps your observations weren't clear at the time. Or, perhaps you were being overzealous within the scope of a particular interaction. Maybe it was just that your conclusion seemed overly rude, despite being true.

There are tons of different factors involved, which can make these sorts of discussions difficult. To some degree, everyone has to take this forum drama lightly, be willing to forgive when appropriate, and so on.

This is by no means easy to accomplish, and there shouldn't be any expectations of perfection. However, if a thread is flying off the rails with fighting, then all parties need to take steps to disengage.

Usually, once a point is made to another, this is all you can do. You can point them in the right direction, then move on. It is their responsibility to plug their personality holes.

He literally asked me if I have a problem with him. I said it honestly and to the point.

Should I tell him „omg nahh dude I love youuuu haaaayyy ^_^“

Lol.

 

[NinRick]

Not at all. The topic was set for you to stop going off, the next part had you been reading it thoroughly is that you two are wasting your time bickering like children. I believe that has been my whole point each time.

Meh, I still stand for what I said.

You can do as you please as things will set thing in motion that will either help you and you advance, or you get crushed and then you get hurt to a point that will make open your eyes. But I cannot say. That is your path. However I do wish you luck on it. Hail Satan.

I listen to my feelings and like those I like and dislike those I dislike.
I love those who want to advance and want to be more than they currently are. And I respect those who are strong. This is why I try to help newer members, who genuinely want to advance. Not because I think it is my duty, just because I like those people.

 

[tabby]

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This is exactly what I said, and I still stand by that.
And people point that out more and more now. (I pointed this out multiple times, months ago even)

Why do I have to like him, and pretend to do?
Why am I not allowed to express myself?
I do not have to like everyone, do I?

Perhaps your observations weren't clear at the time. Or, perhaps you were being overzealous within the scope of a particular interaction. Maybe it was just that your conclusion seemed overly rude, despite being true.

There are tons of different factors involved, which can make these sorts of discussions difficult. To some degree, everyone has to take this forum drama lightly, be willing to forgive when appropriate, and so on.

This is by no means easy to accomplish, and there shouldn't be any expectations of perfection. However, if a thread is flying off the rails with fighting, then all parties need to take steps to disengage.

Usually, once a point is made to another, this is all you can do. You can point them in the right direction, then move on. It is their responsibility to plug their personality holes.

He's referring to this thread, if you wish to look through it to have a fuller picture.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=342262#p342262

 

[Mastermind]

One wrong does not excuse another’s wrong.

I find it detestable to say that one is doing something wrong for defending himself. That's what xians do.
One's honor is sacred and it is recognized under the law that one has the right to defend his honor, even going as far as killing another person if that's the only way to restore honor.

 

[OhNoItsMook]

10 out of 10 points for infiltrating

Even Cobra can admit to that

Goodbye

Fuck's sake. And to think I actually provided full-on art advice for this ugly son of a bitch.
My 3rd eye must suck ass if I couldn't even see through this kind of bullshit, I swear. Guess I know that now, lmao.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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You are wrong by assuming that I was talking about you or remembering wrong. I like you, I respect you, and I have no problem with you. What I was talking about was on the Psychic Vampirism topic when Jrvan purposefully created an argument between himself and Outlaw Torn. Anybody can see this for themself. Outlaw Torn made a comment about Dahaarkan on page 3, and on page 4 Jrvan places himself into the center of it and creates an argument where none existed before. There was no argument between Jrvan and Outlaw before this, at least not in this situation and not on this topic. And it was Jrvan who started it even though I know he is just going to lie and try to twist it and pretend it was Outlaw's fault.

When Blitzkreig wrote something to Jrvan about how it is not good to purposefully create arguments with people, this was Jrvan's answer.

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This applies to you two, as well. I would appreciate it if you read it.

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I know you are not a bad person, and I can see from this post and others that you have genuinely tried to help. The situation is more complicated than what any of these insults describe the other person as. Don't think I am talking to just you; I have written and had just written some posts to Jack elaborating on emotions and so forth.

Unfortunately, people who have problems also need help, even if it may seem they don't deserve it. In this way, I ask for your continued patience, just as I expect of everyone. Yet, I can also respect your desire to act against what you believe is wrong.

All of these issues will be solved as we advance, but as you say, we cannot let JOS get overrun with incorrect thinking either. However, vicious infighting is counterproductive to any advancement.

There becomes a bit of a balancing act where you have to either decide to act or decide to be diplomatic and harmonious. We know that Aries and Libra are opposites and this is a reflection of that. In many instances, taking the "high road" and holding back your feelings is the better option. The most advanced version of this skill would be to be able to blend your thoughts and ideas into a sweet-sounding package.

Due to high emotions, many false accusations and other faults are made. Yes, just as two armies that sign a ceasefire have to overlook the carnage each inflicted on the other, there is a degree of restraint that is required for peace to exist.

As far as your personal image goes, have faith that those who are more perceptive can see through the lines here. Just as you gain respect for standing up for yourself, you also gain respect in instances where you appropriately prevented unnecessary conflict and drama.

What I don't believe you perceive here is how much messier and out of control this would have gotten if I hadn't tried to douse the fire that Outlaw Torn was pouring gasoline on for no good reason. I was working to subdue the situation here before it got even more out of control from the useless baiting. I became the lightning rod to direct Outlaw Torn's energies for his verbal attacks so he stopped focusing on others. I've attempted to do this before in the past with others.

Believe it or not, I have very little fire in my chart. It's mostly earth and water. I desire harmony here, but I also know that true harmony and understanding can take hard effort to achieve - and I'm also mindful of others who attempt to thwart this. My methods might seem questionable, but I want to assure you that my intentions and goals are pure.

 
This is why I said how he admits to purposefully starting arguments between himself and "bad" people to distract the person and take their attention away from some more innocent person that the "bad" person was going against. Because this is exactly what he has done many times, it is what he has done in this situation, and here he is admitting to it and explaining it.
"I was working to subdue the situation here before it got even more out of control from the useless baiting. I became the lightning rod to direct Outlaw Torn's energies for his verbal attacks so he stopped focusing on others. I've attempted to do this before in the past with others."


And of course when I mention this both of you have to immediately go to lying, twisting, denying, pretending that it never happened, and pretending that I am lying or I am wrong. Always denying, always blaming everything on all of the men here, and always refusing to admit any of his own participation in creating problems.

And myself and many of the other people here really have run out of patience for this behaviour. And we have run out of "benefit of the doubt." He is doing the exact same thing to many different people, many of us have had the same thing directed at us by Jrvan, and we are tired of it. At first we were more patient to try to ignore it or excuse it, but now more of us are starting to directly address it.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

One wrong does not excuse another’s wrong.

I find it detestable to say that one is doing something wrong for defending himself. That's what xians do.
One's honor is sacred and it is recognized under the law that one has the right to defend his honor, even going as far as killing another person if that's the only way to restore honor.

What was honorable about blurting out a dislike of someone? That is actually dishonest and a flat out smack in the face. What you have stated is radical and it cannot be applied to natural understanding. Yes on can defend honor if it dictates it properly, and do mean properly. Not because egotistical mindset dictates it.

 

[gnome]

I was just being curious of how this thread has evolved over 5 pages. Can't say I'm surprised some disagreements have unfolded, but this is a gem of a response from Blitzkreig:

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Usually, once a point is made to another, this is all you can do. You can point them in the right direction, then move on. It is their responsibility to plug their personality holes.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

It is no fighting if I say I don’t like someone and won’t waste time on their essays of arguments for no reason.

The focus should be on whether you are being hostile or not. Yes, it is better if you don't waste time, but it is still possible to hurt feelings within a short post.

I looked at the thread that Tabby linked showing you interacting with her and Jrvan. In that instance, it seemed like you were overly aggressive, even if honest.

Perhaps you did not like Jrvan for good reason, and perhaps you were trying to be honest, but you have to structure your communications to be constructive. This is because Tabby and Jrvan are fellow Satanists, not just random people. Therefore, you are obligated to uphold some level of decency and respect.

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At the same time, I can only respond to what I directly see. It is impossible for me to read everything you have. So please excuse me if I missed a part where you have felt wronged, and so on.

It takes too much time to figure out who is right and who is wrong between 20+ threads of interactions. Both parties need to overlook some amount of past transgressions if they are going to achieve peace later.

Maybe you don't want anything to do with Jrvan. What if there is an instance where you could help him, or he could help you? Maybe you guys who actually bring good results on a project together. These are the sorts of things lost when you burn the bridge with them.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

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At the same time, I can only respond to what I directly see. It is impossible for me to read everything you have. So please excuse me if I missed a part where you have felt wronged, and so on.

It takes too much time to figure out who is right and who is wrong between 20+ threads of interactions. Both parties need to overlook some amount of past transgressions if they are going to achieve peace later.

This exactly true.

To add my own views on this, At some point one needs to asses if their ego is taking precedence over reason, and at some point one should be reasonable and restrain the egoistic desire to cling to past transgressions by bringing them along to other and different topics.

Setting ones ego aside in favor of maintaining a mature, positive and beneficial environment for all members of our SS family is very much required when disagreements go on too long or go too far.

Advanced members are not here to babysit or play judge, but to guide and help as well as to inspire by setting worthy examples to look up to and follow.

Defending oneself should be done, but it should not be hard to do so within reason, instead of continuing to act self important and hold on to grudges like teenagers in school.

If another person offends one, it is personal choice to feel offended and lash out in return to even a score. Such a thing is not necessary, and only appeals to emotion, which while a human thing to do, does not facilitate an environment with enlightened standards and maturity.

Impartial judgement should be learned and practiced by all SS to avoid such long lasting disagreements and conflicts between members.

This space is first and foremost about the advancement of Spiritual Satanism and its whole membership as a whole first and foremost.

A place for SS from across the Earth and from all walks of life to come together, have a space away from the enemy ideology and all the crap that comes along with it to discuss subjects together and learn from each other, exchange ideas, information and converse with likeminded individuals, etc.

Personal conflicts dragging out across multiple topics, flooding the forum for literally months only degrade that desired atmosphere to something unrecognizable as Spiritual Satanic, especially if it becomes a norm due to people seeing this constantly and more and more people coming here to engage in that sort of crap behavior.

Where is the enlightenment in that? The elite standard? The spirituality? The Satanic?

This is not to say people shouldn't feel free to discuss with each other, but perhaps one can reflect upon their contribution to the forum once in a while and try to judge oneself impartially to see all the aspects one can improve upon in order to facilitate a more beneficial, constructive and enlightening contribution to our Spiritual Satanic family.

Not only this reflects better upon the Joy of Satan as a whole, one will also have a much more positive and beneficial stay on the forum as an individual, and one will gain a lot more from their stay here than spending most of ones time arguing and disagreeing with other members for purely emotional and ego driven reasons.

Hail Satan!

 

[NinRick]

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This is exactly what I said, and I still stand by that.
And people point that out more and more now. (I pointed this out multiple times, months ago even)

Why do I have to like him, and pretend to do?
Why am I not allowed to express myself?
I do not have to like everyone, do I?

Perhaps your observations weren't clear at the time. Or, perhaps you were being overzealous within the scope of a particular interaction. Maybe it was just that your conclusion seemed overly rude, despite being true.

There are tons of different factors involved, which can make these sorts of discussions difficult. To some degree, everyone has to take this forum drama lightly, be willing to forgive when appropriate, and so on.

This is by no means easy to accomplish, and there shouldn't be any expectations of perfection. However, if a thread is flying off the rails with fighting, then all parties need to take steps to disengage.

Usually, once a point is made to another, this is all you can do. You can point them in the right direction, then move on. It is their responsibility to plug their personality holes.

He's referring to this thread, if you wish to look through it to have a fuller picture.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=342262#p342262

I was not only referring to this post, I read comments from you in other topics, and responded to all of them in this one topic.

 

[tabby]

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Perhaps your observations weren't clear at the time. Or, perhaps you were being overzealous within the scope of a particular interaction. Maybe it was just that your conclusion seemed overly rude, despite being true.

There are tons of different factors involved, which can make these sorts of discussions difficult. To some degree, everyone has to take this forum drama lightly, be willing to forgive when appropriate, and so on.

This is by no means easy to accomplish, and there shouldn't be any expectations of perfection. However, if a thread is flying off the rails with fighting, then all parties need to take steps to disengage.

Usually, once a point is made to another, this is all you can do. You can point them in the right direction, then move on. It is their responsibility to plug their personality holes.

He's referring to this thread, if you wish to look through it to have a fuller picture.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=342262#p342262

I was not only referring to this post, I read comments from you in other topics, and responded to all of them in this one topic.

You brought over a quote that was referencing that thread directly, so I provided the link to JG Blitz so he could see the full picture of what happened under that thread. For how you have worded your comments here, you paint yourself as if you didn't start something under that thread and are now attempting to justify what you said there, despite behaving like a hypocrite in the same thread by starting an unrelated argument in a place where it had no relevance.

That was not a wise move on your part, and imo, WHO THE HELL DOES THAT UNDER A POEM FOR SATAN? Seriously, THINK next time. It was really disrespectful. It's clearly visible from how the comments are set out that you were behaving like a dick for no reason other than you wanting to have a go at us, because you twisted my comment to you to fit your bill, so you had some "magickal foundation" to lay out your argument on since there was no way you were going to be able to pull that shit there without fabricating it yourself.

Wrong place, wrong time, and a terrible approach.

 

[tabby]

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My correction was accurate. You are indeed exaggerating, and also manipulating the meaning of his words to suit your argument.

You are incredibly literal, so I suggest you avoid analyzing descriptive language and metaphors. There is nothing wrong with what jrvan said in his quote there, and it is not the same as you claim he has said. And no, he did not START that argument. Outlaw made an unreasonable stab at Dahaarkan all because of the kind of job he has, and so jrvan stepped in to address it so that Outlaw wouldn't go around on that thread taking stabs at others and further igniting shit and reactions, to try prevent Dahaarkan's thread from being further ruined for no reason.

I would like to remind everyone that darakhan or however you spell that dumb name is literally a LANDLORD, the most parasitic “Job” one can have. It is no surprise that he supports and practices psychic vampirism because he is also housing vampire.

This again? If not for landlords then you ingrates would have to sleep on the streets. Not all landlords are as bad as yours.

Seriously, take it up with your government, but be sure to offer alternative solutions because otherwise they're just going to laugh at you, and probably tell you to join the other ideological choirs who don't have practical solutions other than complaining. As for me, I want to thank you for your contributions, Mr. Karl Marx. You and your proletariat legions have been heard.

Frankly, I think you're just simply angry for what happened under the sheep thread and also the masculinity and makeup/clothing thread, and in denial that your buddy Jack is actually not a "good guy". And are choosing this time to jump on the bandwagon and bark at jrvan to vent your previous frustrations because in reality, you haven't actually had many issues with jrvan yourself personally.

 

[tabby]

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At the same time, I can only respond to what I directly see. It is impossible for me to read everything you have. So please excuse me if I missed a part where you have felt wronged, and so on.

It takes too much time to figure out who is right and who is wrong between 20+ threads of interactions. Both parties need to overlook some amount of past transgressions if they are going to achieve peace later.

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If another person offends one, it is personal choice to feel offended and lash out in return to even a score. Such a thing is not necessary, and only appeals to emotion, which while a human thing to do, does not facilitate an environment with enlightened standards and maturity.
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I do not think it is a personal choice to feel offended. That would place blame onto the target and doesn't hold people responsible for the things they say to others, especially if to purposefully ignite a specific emotional reaction. To put that into an example:

Person 1: [states something to deliberately offend another, say they attack their personal life]
Person 2: [reactions emotional and lashes out]
Person 1: "Why are you reacting like that? It's your choice if you feel offended by what I said. I did nothing wrong."

This is a form of manipulation and gaslighting, to deny the person the right to their side of the relationship, and acts to control person 2. It changes the power dynamic from being reasonably level to person 1 holding power over person 2 in an unfair manner. Things like this when enacted on a continual basis can actually drive a person into madness.

What one does with that feeling of offence, is something one can choose to do. However, that would suggest one is already at a high level of thinking for oneself and control over their emotions to be able to consciously decide how they direct it, which comes with consistent void meditation and practice. The way in which we deal with that feeling will be different for everyone, so personally, I don't think it's fair to expect people to react in the same way we might personally choose to for ourselves, because we deem our own way to be the "right" or "better" way.

Words have energy, and we react to that naturally. One might say something polite and perfectly reasonable, but the recipient reacts in a bad way. Does this mean they are immature and unstable? That entirely depends on the individual's case. This person might have a negative memory or feeling from subconscious trauma triggered that they were not aware of in their soul, and that comes out in the interaction. Perhaps transits or negative karma. Rather than condemn this person for their emotions, approaching them in a more understanding and gentler way, asking questions that does not make this person feel accused or like there's something wrong with them, is more likely to result in little more than simmering reactions rather than boiling point, and aid in bringing a discussion to a peaceful resolution.

This requires effort to accomplish from both parties however.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Meh, I still stand for what I said.

You can do as you please as things will set thing in motion that will either help you and you advance, or you get crushed and then you get hurt to a point that will make open your eyes. But I cannot say. That is your path. However I do wish you luck on it. Hail Satan.

I listen to my feelings and like those I like and dislike those I dislike.
I love those who want to advance and want to be more than they currently are. And I respect those who are strong. This is why I try to help newer members, who genuinely want to advance. Not because I think it is my duty, just because I like those people.

Congratulations on expressing your feelings. This is the result, enjoy.

Do you really not see the irony here?


You do not like these people and intend to ignore them and their activity and this is all well and good. But the way in which you "ignore" them is to comment on threads they open and provoke a reaponse from them. Do you not see the irony?

This is the point I'm trying to make which is you can word your thoughts in non provocative manner or simply say nothing at all to avoid pointless arguments. But you just HAD to express your dislike of someone in a provocative tone.

To what end? What did you hope to accomplish in doing this?

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

I do not think it is a personal choice to feel offended. That would place blame onto the target and doesn't hold people responsible for the things they say to others, especially if to purposefully ignite a specific emotional reaction. To put that into an example:

Person 1: [states something to deliberately offend another, say they attack their personal life]
Person 2: [reactions emotional and lashes out]
Person 1: "Why are you reacting like that? It's your choice if you feel offended by what I said. I did nothing wrong."

This is a form of manipulation and gaslighting, to deny the person the right to their side of the relationship, and acts to control person 2. It changes the power dynamic from being reasonably level to person 1 holding power over person 2 in an unfair manner. Things like this when enacted on a continual basis can actually drive a person into madness.

What one does with that feeling of offence, is something one can choose to do. However, that would suggest one is already at a high level of thinking for oneself and control over their emotions to be able to consciously decide how they direct it, which comes with consistent void meditation and practice. The way in which we deal with that feeling will be different for everyone, so personally, I don't think it's fair to expect people to react in the same way we might personally choose to for ourselves, because we deem our own way to be the "right" or "better" way.

Words have energy, and we react to that naturally. One might say something polite and perfectly reasonable, but the recipient reacts in a bad way. Does this mean they are immature and unstable? That entirely depends on the individual's case. This person might have a negative memory or feeling from subconscious trauma triggered that they were not aware of in their soul, and that comes out in the interaction. Perhaps transits or negative karma. Rather than condemn this person for their emotions, approaching them in a more understanding and gentler way, asking questions that does not make this person feel accused or like there's something wrong with them, is more likely to result in little more than simmering reactions rather than boiling point, and aid in bringing a discussion to a peaceful resolution.

This requires effort to accomplish from both parties however.

Rather than say "it is a choice to feel offended and lash out in return", I should have been more specific and said, "it's a choice to lash out in kind after receiving offense".

That said, if my post is taken as a whole, the message comes across as intended, since I do explain in proper depth what I meant to get across.

As for the example you gave, it is part of what I was alluding to. Person 2 doesn't have to lose his reason just because person 1 is aggravating them.

If I acted as person 2 in your example my conduct would be unrecognizable compared to what it is.

Since the Joy of Satan as a whole, through the posts over the years and the influence of the Gods one connects to while following this path, a lot of these things go without saying.

Self reflection, healing of the mind, mature conduct, awareness of ones acts, reason and understanding about the self and the people one converses with, etc, are all very basic concepts that one comes in contact with.

If someone has serious issues that causes them to act out against others due to past trauma, perhaps rather than continuing to do so ad nauseam, it is helpful to reflect upon the self and take a step back.

Even with certain kinds of trauma involved, as mature adults who are also dedicated to Satan by blood there should be certain standards or at least awareness on all the above mentioned things that can be reasonably expected from a person.

If one is here to heal from things, then it stands to reason one should try to heal, by following the useful and good advises from members and especially the wisdom from the sermons of the HP's, past and present, while ignoring the things which trigger a persons trauma or hangups and impede this healing process.

Self reflection is the key principle here that must be applied at all times, and can be applied by anyone regardless of what level one is at, or what history one has.

Ask yourself what your time spend on things brings to you, what your conduct to others brings to you, how this reflects on your needs and expectations, if this is beneficial to you or not, etc.

Reflect, and learn. Avoid things which impede your growth or which bring you no results.

Don't engage with people whom you gain nothing from. Refrain from letting your triggers control you, instead learn to recognize when something triggers you and exercise control over it or take a step back if you cannot control your emotional response.

Letting things go brings more release than compulsively engaging others because one lets ones feelings rule over their mind and remains stuck in that level of ego ruling the self.


To take myself as an example,

I hold in a lot of things, a lot of emotions, I restrain myself greatly on many occasions, especially in my conduct in the public eye.

For one because it reflects poorly upon myself if I act on emotional impulse without restraint, and for two because it is not appropriate for a close follower of the Gods to act out in a mindless manner, then last because it would cause me to make a lot of mistakes and go overboard due to purely acting on ego and impulse rather than impartially and with greater deliberation.

Does this make me weak, or lesser? Does this restraint mean I am emotionless? Or does it mean I reject part of myself? Or anything of the sort?

Obviously not. I am better of for it in every way and on every level.

That is not to say people should act as I do, or that I make no mistakes, or whatever.

It is the idea by which I act, the standard I aim for which is inspired by the Gods, that can benefit all people if applied on a personal level, adapted to suit the individual.

It is not something I created or made up, but a standard and way of conduct which can be seen in enlightened minds, people and beings throughout history and as what can be seen on the highest level with the Gods.


What I mean by that is, reflect upon yourself and reflect upon the Gods, then determine what you can do better to be closer to them.

Ask yourself "what would Satan do or say in my shoes?". How does what comes to mind compare with what you were about to do or say, or with your past conduct?

From there try to use that example of what came to mind when thinking of Satan, or any other God whom you are familiar with, and try to learn from this, tap into this influence, and let this inspiration drive you forward towards growth and advancement in life.

This is one beginner friendly way to learn and grow in conduct and to recognize which parts of ego are vain embellishments best left aside and which are worthy manifestations of self and desire that should be held on to and manifested.

Hail Satan!

 

[NinRick]

You can do as you please as things will set thing in motion that will either help you and you advance, or you get crushed and then you get hurt to a point that will make open your eyes. But I cannot say. That is your path. However I do wish you luck on it. Hail Satan.

I listen to my feelings and like those I like and dislike those I dislike.
I love those who want to advance and want to be more than they currently are. And I respect those who are strong. This is why I try to help newer members, who genuinely want to advance. Not because I think it is my duty, just because I like those people.

Congratulations on expressing your feelings. This is the result, enjoy.

Do you really not see the irony here?


You do not like these people and intend to ignore them and their activity and this is all well and good. But the way in which you "ignore" them is to comment on threads they open and provoke a reaponse from them. Do you not see the irony?

This is the point I'm trying to make which is you can word your thoughts in non provocative manner or simply say nothing at all to avoid pointless arguments. But you just HAD to express your dislike of someone in a provocative tone.

To what end? What did you hope to accomplish in doing this?

And you think you need to teach me?

Aren’t you passive aggressive pretty frequently?
Aren’t you arguing many times?

What do you want to accomplish?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

.......

I have to ask you something, and I have asked you the same thing multiple times recently. Why are you talking to me about Jack? Why does it seem like you keep bringing up Jack in every discussion with me, and what does he have to do with me? I am not talking about Jack, I am not Jack, and Jack and I are two seperate people with no connection between us. In all of these discussions I have had with you recently I have never mentioned Jack until you bring up his name to me and my response is always to ask why you are talking to me about him.

In any time that I have said that Jack is a good guy, you will see it was several months ago. And you were not here for this so you don't understand the reference, but his username used to be Jack The Good Guy. So I joked that he needs to change his name back to this to let everybody know, because it would not be obvious from his behaviour if he is a good guy. You misunderstand one joke that I made months ago, and you try to spin it like I am every day showing "excessive praise" for him. When I plainly almost never talk about him. But for some strange reason it seems like you and Jrvan can't go even a few days without crying about Jack when he barely even posts anything here anyway. Like Jack is your strawman that you have to cry about every day meanwhile he isn't even here.

Actually the most recent thing I said about Jack is that he has contributed many good things in the past, but that he has multiple personality traits that I am absolutely discusted by and that he definitely is very far from perfect. I felt this discust when I saw how he was acting in the Psychic Vampirism topic and it changed my opinion about him. When before that happened, most of what I saw people give as examples of why everybody has to hate Jack were topics that only showed two people having a difference of opinion. This topic showed him actually acting in a discusting way. And I did write about this in pretty clear detail some time in the past few weeks.


But again I have to ask you, why does it seem like every single discussion I have with you always has to go back to what you think my opinion is of Jack? When I talk about how you and Jrvan are incapable of having a discussion without twisting things around and frequently changing the subject to absolutely unrelated nonsense, it is exactly this kind of thing that I am talking about. This is a perfect example. You don't want to respond to the point I am making, so you maintain your anger over the discussion of the past subject and channel this anger into a completely new and unrelated subject that has nothing to do with me. It is very difficult to have a conversation with somebody who does this kind of thing.

If you have a problem with Jack, bring it up with him. If it is about his personality problems, I will most likely be agreeing with you. But I just don't have anymore patience for every conversation between us to turn into you bitching at me about Jack. I don't know him and I am not able to pass to him your message.

 

[tabby]

.......

I have to ask you something, and I have asked you the same thing multiple times recently. Why are you talking to me about Jack? Why does it seem like you keep bringing up Jack in every discussion with me, and what does he have to do with me? I am not talking about Jack, I am not Jack, and Jack and I are two seperate people with no connection between us. In all of these discussions I have had with you recently I have never mentioned Jack until you bring up his name to me and my response is always to ask why you are talking to me about him.

In any time that I have said that Jack is a good guy, you will see it was several months ago. And you were not here for this so you don't understand the reference, but his username used to be Jack The Good Guy. So I joked that he needs to change his name back to this to let everybody know, because it would not be obvious from his behaviour if he is a good guy. You misunderstand one joke that I made months ago, and you try to spin it like I am every day showing "excessive praise" for him. When I plainly almost never talk about him. But for some strange reason it seems like you and Jrvan can't go even a few days without crying about Jack when he barely even posts anything here anyway. Like Jack is your strawman that you have to cry about every day meanwhile he isn't even here.

Actually the most recent thing I said about Jack is that he has contributed many good things in the past, but that he has multiple personality traits that I am absolutely discusted by and that he definitely is very far from perfect. I felt this discust when I saw how he was acting in the Psychic Vampirism topic and it changed my opinion about him. When before that happened, most of what I saw people give as examples of why everybody has to hate Jack were topics that only showed two people having a difference of opinion. This topic showed him actually acting in a discusting way. And I did write about this in pretty clear detail some time in the past few weeks.


But again I have to ask you, why does it seem like every single discussion I have with you always has to go back to what you think my opinion is of Jack? When I talk about how you and Jrvan are incapable of having a discussion without twisting things around and frequently changing the subject to absolutely unrelated nonsense, it is exactly this kind of thing that I am talking about. This is a perfect example. You don't want to respond to the point I am making, so you maintain your anger over the discussion of the past subject and channel this anger into a completely new and unrelated subject that has nothing to do with me. It is very difficult to have a conversation with somebody who does this kind of thing.

If you have a problem with Jack, bring it up with him. If it is about his personality problems, I will most likely be agreeing with you. But I just don't have anymore patience for every conversation between us to turn into you bitching at me about Jack. I don't know him and I am not able to pass to him your message.

Can you please tone down the exaggeration for once?

I have mentioned Jack exactly three times to you in our "conversation" here... the first was as an example referencing a situation between Dahaarkan and Jack as context to something I was explaining (this had nothing to do with you). The second, was an example relating to your praises and to help give constructive criticism about how to improve them. This criticism was not to have a go at you. And the third was referring to the very few times you've ever actually had an issue with jrvan, where my levels of annoyance with you were beginning to grow and my own patience rather thin from how you are framing things.

I am well aware that Jack's name was once 'Jack the Good guy'. It's kind of a meme in the forums and is easily found in the forums. I did see your comment to him about that to change his name back to it, that was only March of this year that was made. While a joke, you seemed to feel he was indeed a good guy even then. Jan 30th this year, this is from you "And there is nothing even bad about him, Jack is a perfectly good person." from this comment:

...

Right on a thread where he was mocking and being an ass to me and jrvan for "fun". This was after the incident of what happened under my sewing thread mid 2021. If you so desire and have time to look at what happened there, it is in my signature.

Jack's history towards others has been going on a long time, though you seemed to have been oblivious to it until it was unable to be argued against and addressed AGAIN in jrvan's recent post. The times I have out right complained about Jack from a personal point is when he has been abusive towards me and my partner, or someone who didn't earn it. I would say my thoughts towards him are justified. So forgive me if I found your above defense of Jack to be unusual and insensitive, perhaps a level of obliviousness to Jack's behavior in the forums, thereby denying the hurt he has caused others all these years.

You have not asked me this multiple times. And not every discussion I have had with you has related to Jack in any fashion. This is the first time you have asked me this, if you care to look back over your comments here as once again, you are exaggerating.

I have already well and truly told Jack how I feel about him, and that is done with. If you continue this I will not answer you.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I will just say in previous times that you have mentioned Jack to me, the comments from each of us both contained more than just that. And I did start my reply to you by asking why you are talking to me about Jack when that has nothing to do with me and nothing to do with what we were talking about. But then I wrote a lot more after that that was a different subject so you probably forgot that I said it.

 

[tabby]

...

Thank you for clarifying further. We are in agreement. This will probably be good to reference if need be in the future as a healthy reminder.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

One wrong does not excuse another’s wrong.

I find it detestable to say that one is doing something wrong for defending himself. That's what xians do.
One's honor is sacred and it is recognized under the law that one has the right to defend his honor, even going as far as killing another person if that's the only way to restore honor.

It is obvious that you come from a region ruled by islam.
Honor killings are a disgrace. You should think about the value of a life first and foremost.
Not that you can do whatever and be a total scumbag and have it validated because "Muh honor".

Its the kind of religion where dating multiple men at once as a woman or where having sex before marriage can get one killed. Even if a woman was raped she'd get killed because "disgrace on the honor of the family".

Even if polygamy is in that individuals natal chart.

Other than that, good point (talking about the first 2 sentences).

 

[Sketches]

One Wire Phenomenon?

More like,


One Wired Braincell

P. S. Good thing I blocked you after you revived that stupid thread regarding astral spiders. Like really, what were you going for after you joked lightly after insulting lil 'ol me?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

One wrong does not excuse another’s wrong.

I find it detestable to say that one is doing something wrong for defending himself. That's what xians do.
One's honor is sacred and it is recognized under the law that one has the right to defend his honor, even going as far as killing another person if that's the only way to restore honor.

It is obvious that you come from a region ruled by islam.
Honor killings are a disgrace. You should think about the value of a life first and foremost.
Not that you can do whatever and be a total scumbag and have it validated because "Muh honor".

Its the kind of religion where dating multiple men at once as a woman or where having sex before marriage can get one killed. Even if a woman was raped she'd get killed because "disgrace on the honor of the family".

Even if polygamy is in that individuals natal chart.

Other than that, good point (talking about the first 2 sentences).

I don’t think he grasped in regards to what I was referring to. I made it apparent in another reply to him. Honor for the right reasons should be defended.
However I was referring to the thread on this particular topic that got derailed into a bunch of bickering ends still with the same problem. Ones wrong that one places onto another cannot right the wrong one of another. They will have to deal with their wrong. I don’t say turn the other cheek, I say observe and make that choice if it has the correct outcome that will be of benefit for both parties. Senseless bickering gets nowhere.

 

[< 0 >]

Aside from that on a side note, i truly do not understand the purpose of many members being needlessly rude and arrogant. Like just why would you be like that. Why would you decide to always be egotistical and start fights. this place is literally the only pathway and bridge of communication that the gods have with their disciples.

Simple answer, as we progress and gain power our egos get bigger than being surrounded by NPCs the ego inflates further knowing you're above the average mass and until ego death happens an inflated ego is hard to keep in check, especially when emotions r invested.

 

[Dahaarkan]

And you think you need to teach me?

Evidently.

Aren’t you passive aggressive pretty frequently?

I'm not passive aggressive. I'm aggressive aggressive.

Aren’t you arguing many times?

Constantly. The difference is I don't start them.

What do you want to accomplish?

I want to make you and others like you understand that the basis of civil behavior is keeping one's emotions and ego in check when communicating with others. And make you understand that there is a reason why you find yourself in heated arguments. Which is you start them with your behavior whether you realize it or not.

There is a reason why members such as Blitzkrieg often disagree with others, convey information and even criticisms, and yet it is extremely rare to see Blitzkrieg being a contributor to a circus thread. Which is no matter what is the subject matter, members like the above approach situations and conversations with a modicum of respect towards other members which prevents them from becoming overly emotional and start a pointless argument.


And if you refuse to acknowledge this and instead wish to continue enacting and enabling ape behavior, I'll be first in line to behave like an ape towards you also. I am better at it than you and will out talk you every time so I would recommend you instead just start wording your posts in non inflammatory fashion which is the reason why a majority of arguments happen.

Arguments which would otherwise not happen had such criticisms and information been conveyed in a civil and respectful manner. The shitshow in this thread is 100% caused by you considering the member who started behaving like a clown is repeating behavior he saw from you when you were being a cunt to him for no reason.


Also unrelated but simply feedback on your posting activity. Consider avoiding making posts which contain no informative or educational content and instead consist solely of personal criticisms such as what is seen in the goggles thread. Such posts accomplish nothing and are likely to start arguments where there are none.

 

[Smile and wave]

Let me guess im the dross?

Hahaha this place proves things to me i never expected. Im not even sure if its natural. Not talking about the jew part but the heard mentality. Mob justice reminds me of Christians deep down.

Im not against the JoS at all and the only threat stopping me is you. I hate feeling not being able to express myself or say it as it is.

I feel invincible otherwise

 

[Dahaarkan]

One wrong does not excuse another’s wrong.

I find it detestable to say that one is doing something wrong for defending himself. That's what xians do.
One's honor is sacred and it is recognized under the law that one has the right to defend his honor, even going as far as killing another person if that's the only way to restore honor.

It is obvious that you come from a region ruled by islam.
Honor killings are a disgrace. You should think about the value of a life first and foremost.
Not that you can do whatever and be a total scumbag and have it validated because "Muh honor".

Its the kind of religion where dating multiple men at once as a woman or where having sex before marriage can get one killed. Even if a woman was raped she'd get killed because "disgrace on the honor of the family".

Even if polygamy is in that individuals natal chart.

Other than that, good point (talking about the first 2 sentences).

While I can't attest to what he means by honor he does make a good point. Honor is a very loose term and it means something different to different people, but it is important for one to preserve their own mental image of themselves, or "self esteem".

A person's self esteem is a very important component of the human psyche and a healthy soul. Needlessly insulting, demoralizing and demeaning others with the intent to dismantle their self esteem can actually be quite damning especially for people who allow such thoughts to run rampant and taint their mental health.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

Let me guess im the dross?

Hahaha this place proves things to me i never expected. Im not even sure if its natural. Not talking about the jew part but the heard mentality. Mob justice reminds me of Christians deep down.

Im not against the JoS at all and the only threat stopping me is you. I hate feeling not being able to express myself or say it as it is.

I feel invincible otherwise

Why would you be dross? Referring to people as dross means their character loyalty is not aligned with the Gods, for whatever reason. It is less about having a specific character flaw, but whether you want and are trying to do the activities mentioned to help our struggle, plus advance yourself.

As far as your personal expression, if it goes against JOS, then you cannot be surprised when people start to conflict with you. This happens not because we hate you personally, but because many of our lives have been improved from the material on JOS, so we love and defend it.

Any group of people will have a herd mentality, otherwise, they wouldn't be a group. Yet, it shouldn't restrict personal expression to the point of causing pain. However, the situation at JOS has to deal with realities such as enemies who wish to purposely corrupt us.

If you catch hate as an enemy, when in reality you simply wanted to express yourself, then this is just the unfortunate reality that we are dealing with it. How you deal with this, and how you let this alter your relationship with the Gods, is what determines where you are dross or not.

Even if I fought with everyone here, I would never stop meditating, doing RTR's, and spreading JOS knowledge. This is because I am aligned with the core principles. Making friends here is only a secondary goal because you can make friends anywhere. Yet our Satanic path is unique and not found elsewhere; nothing can replace it.

Hopefully, that makes you feel better in some way.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

I have mentioned Jack exactly three times to you in our "conversation" here

You people are obsessed. He shouldn’t have been mentioned once. Everything you and jrvan accuse other of doing to you, you do to Jack. Everyone sees it when you write long unhinged paragraphs about him on topics where it is irrelevant. The only thing it can be called is JDS (Jack derangement syndrome). I won’t even get started on the landlord.

 

[CaspianTheDreamer]

Aside from that on a side note, i truly do not understand the purpose of many members being needlessly rude and arrogant. Like just why would you be like that. Why would you decide to always be egotistical and start fights. this place is literally the only pathway and bridge of communication that the gods have with their disciples.

Simple answer, as we progress and gain power our egos get bigger than being surrounded by NPCs the ego inflates further knowing you're above the average mass and until ego death happens an inflated ego is hard to keep in check, especially when emotions r invested.

LMAO why do people keep tagging my name with things i never said or posted wtf

 

[CaspianTheDreamer]

Aside from that on a side note, i truly do not understand the purpose of many members being needlessly rude and arrogant. Like just why would you be like that. Why would you decide to always be egotistical and start fights. this place is literally the only pathway and bridge of communication that the gods have with their disciples.

Simple answer, as we progress and gain power our egos get bigger than being surrounded by NPCs the ego inflates further knowing you're above the average mass and until ego death happens an inflated ego is hard to keep in check, especially when emotions r invested.

Oh wait nevermind Ol argedco's name tag and mine got twisted in place of each other. :lol:

 

[tabby]

I have mentioned Jack exactly three times to you in our "conversation" here

You people are obsessed. He shouldn’t have been mentioned once. Everything you and jrvan accuse other of doing to you, you do to Jack. Everyone sees it when you write long unhinged paragraphs about him on topics where it is irrelevant. The only thing it can be called is JDS (Jack derangement syndrome). I won’t even get started on the landlord.

Hello CNN.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I have mentioned Jack exactly three times to you in our "conversation" here

You people are obsessed. He shouldn’t have been mentioned once. Everything you and jrvan accuse other of doing to you, you do to Jack. Everyone sees it when you write long unhinged paragraphs about him on topics where it is irrelevant. The only thing it can be called is JDS (Jack derangement syndrome). I won’t even get started on the landlord.

Look in the list of all their posts and do a search for "Jack"

For Tabby, it is 74 out of 485 posts that are mentioning Jack or about 15.3% of all posts.

For Jrvan, it is 203 out of 1251 posts that are mentioning Jack or about 16.2% of all posts.


If you look at Jack's posts, he has mentioned Jrvan 32 times and he has mentioned Tabby 20 times. 10 of these times are mentioning both of them. So total individual times he mentioned either of them was 42 times. Out of  4034 total posts by him so 1% of his posts. And between both of them, they are 6.6 times more likely to mention him than he is to mention either of them.


Jrvan has been here for 20 months and has mentioned Jack 203 times for an average of more than 10 times per month or approximately once every three days. Tabby has been here for 16.5 months and has mentioned Jack 74 times for an average of 4.5 times per month or more than once per week.


These people really are obsessed with him to an insane level and I doubt there is any way to justify such a disproportionately high number. And he has never even mentioned either of them anywhere near the same number of times. It really does look ridiculous. Please check my math in case I made a mistake but I don't think I did.

 

[Mastermind]

I find it detestable to say that one is doing something wrong for defending himself. That's what xians do.
One's honor is sacred and it is recognized under the law that one has the right to defend his honor, even going as far as killing another person if that's the only way to restore honor.

It is obvious that you come from a region ruled by islam.
Honor killings are a disgrace. You should think about the value of a life first and foremost.
Not that you can do whatever and be a total scumbag and have it validated because "Muh honor".

Its the kind of religion where dating multiple men at once as a woman or where having sex before marriage can get one killed. Even if a woman was raped she'd get killed because "disgrace on the honor of the family".

Even if polygamy is in that individuals natal chart.

Other than that, good point (talking about the first 2 sentences).

While I can't attest to what he means by honor he does make a good point. Honor is a very loose term and it means something different to different people, but it is important for one to preserve their own mental image of themselves, or "self esteem".

A person's self esteem is a very important component of the human psyche and a healthy soul. Needlessly insulting, demoralizing and demeaning others with the intent to dismantle their self esteem can actually be quite damning especially for people who allow such thoughts to run rampant and taint their mental health.

It's easy for Ramier108666 to have a holier-than-thou attitude when he isn't personally involved. One is not doing a "wrong" to defend himself. It's not "bickering."
While I agree that people should seek to stop fighting and de-escalate, I believe that the fighting should stop with the defender giving the last blow, not the attacker.

It's quite clear to me that there's a fight going on between Ol argedco luciftias, VoiceofEnki VS Dahaarkan, jrvan.
Sometimes fighting starts because of power play and sometimes it's because of a misunderstanding. After a prolonged fight, it doesn't matter anymore who started it and why. The fight will go on until one party or the other is made to submit or is eliminated, or is broken up by third parties.
Both parties' honors are on the line. The one that loses is fucked and ostracized from the community, because the other members of the community don't want to get into a fight with the winner(s).
I can sense that jrvan is naive, he's genuinely interested in the truth and the uplifting of the community, which is seen as weakness and thus an opportunity to attack (power play), or it's seen as an attempt to gain power (misunderstanding).

I think it's the latter (misunderstanding) and I'll explain why I think that is the case:
In jrvan's mind, since he's trying to help others, he gives himself the right to be more direct in his approach. As he's not trying to gain anything and he doesn't care if one takes his help or not (he's doing it out of a sense of duty), why tip-toe around a subject? He tries to help, gets attacked, then gets hurt and frustrated. It's like a betrayal to him and a knife in the back. But the frustration doesn't end there and it usually lasts for days, months if not years, which he unconsciously brings into the next exchange, which then leads to misunderstandings and more frustration. The difference this time around is that when he got attacked, he didn't just let it slide. He's not turning the other cheek anymore.

I think that HPHC should get involved and de-escalate the situation without any party suffering loss of reputation and honor because that's what's on the line now.

 

[High Priest Hooded Cobra 666]

Let me guess im the dross?

Hahaha this place proves things to me i never expected. Im not even sure if its natural. Not talking about the jew part but the heard mentality. Mob justice reminds me of Christians deep down.

Im not against the JoS at all and the only threat stopping me is you. I hate feeling not being able to express myself or say it as it is.

I feel invincible otherwise

For those who might read, this is the self admitted infiltrator One Wire Phenomenon who has said openly they are a jew. As with all jews, respecting anything of the Gods of the goy is impossible, so he had to make up his shit argument that is filled with lies on how he loses sleep over the JoS having reacted to his trolling of being a jew, in Beelzebul's thread.

For this reason this crap is being moved.