I have a urgent question for the clergy about Miguel Serrano

[Apprentice]

Ok, sorry I made mistake. I respect High Priest and his work, but automatic censorship made me angry.

"Freedom of expression" works between respectful, responsible, aspiring Human Beings. Controlling one's emotions and expressions is an integral part of being one.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Is it true that Hitler is a god?(I hope I didn't misunderstand anything...)and was Holocaust real(I kinda feel weird about it.)?

No. The holocaust was not as advertised, much exaggerated but it is false to say "it did not happened".

 

[Wotanwarrior]

I've thought for some time that the biggest mistake esotericists like Julius Evola made was focusing too much on politics and not getting close enough to the Gods and delving deeper into spiritual knowledge.

Guido von List is the opposite example of how he avoided getting involved in politics and dedicated himself more deeply to the study of runes and spirituality, and that's why he deserves to be in the Zevists personalities section.

 

[Deep Darkness]

I have halfway read Lightning and Sun by Savitri Devi. The main point of book was that there are leaders who are against time, for example Genghis Khan, who are chaotic conquerors. And there are leaders who are above the time, Akhenaten in this book, who are more stoic. Adolf Hitler was in Devi's opinion both against and above time. In general I agree with such classification. Obviously Akhenaten wasn't good example, because he was removing original gods and replacing them with so called Yehiborim monotheistic spirit. But yeah, I think that in general world needs different types of leaders-conquerors and builders.

But yes, this Devi writing wasn't "spiritual". I would like to call it more to political and historical philosophy.

 

[OuroborphicMystery]

No. The holocaust was not as advertised, much exaggerated but it is false to say "it did not happened".

If I may throw in my two cents into this subject too... And please feel free to not let this post go up if it's bad form or anything. If not and if this is allowed to stay up, thank you, and see this as not a response to Priest AI exclusively, but an essay and commitment to Truthfulness, dedicated to all our Brothers and Sisters seeing this topic.

The Holocaust, in the sense of a deliberate attempt to systematically remove Yehuborim, has never happened. I have collected material on this for years (even though I lost all my hoarded information a few times over due to moves, crashes and not having backups, etc.), and I can confidently say that I have not come across a single piece of signed paper by Hitler, or any higher-ups of the Third Reich administration, giving the order to deliberately kill these people. The camps were work camps - that's it. Quite a few of them were explored by experts, historians and scientists. No ash remains in the soil anywhere were found, no "gas chambers" (in the sense of gassing people to death) ever existed and could not exist given the physical material conditions of the so-called gas chambers (wooden doors, not nearly enough residue left on the walls to suggest any lethal dose could possibly have been used, doors opening to the inside, etc.), it's mathematically impossible to burn anywhere *near* the amount of bodies mentioned (not to mention, again, no proof that anyone was burned to begin with), measures were taken to protect the lives of the inmates and let alone being killed, many Yehuborim were even born in the camps. Oh, it is also worth noting that the Yehuborim were pioneers in the field of image editing - from Stalin's extensive use of doctored photos to literally erase people from history to some of the most popular "photos" of the Holocaust in circulation being complete and utter fabrications, they really are a very creative people!

Usually, only the existence of something can be proven, and by definition, the nonexistence of something can never be conclusively proven. The Holocaust, on the other hand, is such a prevalent, prominent, ubiquitous topic and dare I say, lie, that it has also undergone an extreme amount of scrutiny. So much so that it is without a single bit of exaggeration that we can say it is the first event in all of human history whose nonexistence is proven, truly a marvel both in the field of history as well as epistemology.

Of course, some inmates, Yehuborim and otherwise, died within the camps. Especially more so toward the end of the war, where the Allied forces bombed the supply lines, thus cutting off supplies to these camps. They starved or were infested with lice which gave them typhoid, which was only made possible because of the bombings to begin with. But calling this a systemic killing would be the height of dishonesty. Other than the undesired deaths which many measures had been taken against, the Third Reich took pretty good care of these inmates, all things considered. Not to even mention the honestly holiday resort-like conditions in some of these camps - swimming pools, theatres, hospitals (obviously), brothels, and they even bred bunny rabbits in at least one. Granted, I am not arguing the brothels and the like were for the inmates, sure, but it stands to reason that they were allowed to make use of at least some of the amenities. This is further entrenched by the fact that in Auschwitz, there were football teams consisting of the inmates (!) and some prisoners were even released.

In very short, they weren't mistreated at all let alone systematically murdered. In fact, I even read on the forums many years ago (by whom, I am not sure - I am not claiming this was Clergy or anything. Just as likely to be Clergy as not) that supposedly, some officers who did kill inmates were actually given the death penalty. I never looked into it, never wanted to - I even found the idea that these Germans were killed for such a reason insulting, but I won't get into that. Either way, considering "our guys" literally never lie about these topics and we never even needed to, I'll just assume it was likely correct.

Now, did some people die in the camps? Absolutely - Yehuborim included. But again, this can largely be attributed to either natural causes or, especially towards the end of the war, lack of supplies - which the Allied forces also played a hand in. To say that the Holocaust "happened" to any degree just because some people happened to die, who happened to be Yehuborim, we would also have to say that every single expulsion that the Yehuborim have undergone throughout history, of which there are at least 1031 known cases. Sure, they also underwent some pogroms, which were systematic killings of Yehuborim in a certain area, but it'd just be dishonest to claim all of these examples of persecution were genocides. All genocides are persecution, not all persecution is genocide. The Yehuborim certainly were persecuted in WWII, but they were not systematically killed.

Furthermore, the Holocaust myth is a lie they tried to throw on every wall, just to see which one it sticks on - and it only stuck on the Germans. But far be it from me to not let you know that the idea and claim of the Holocaust is a lie going back ~120 years, with the first mentions of the 6 million figure going as far back as 1869. Here's a small excerpt going "only" as far back as 1900.

If we really want to recognize something starting with Holo, let's go for Holodomor instead. 7 million Ukrainian men, women and children actually were systematically killed in an engineered famine by Stalin (who was a you-know-what like all prominent communist leaders and ideologues). Those poor people deserve all the undue recognition the so-called Holocaust gets.

In short, unless this is a deliberate part of our new organizational direction (in which case I withdraw my refutation entirely), we should do what we have always done when it came to any controversial topic and move only in the service of Truth, without acquiescing to the feelings and sensitivities of people, media or even the (albeit completely shifting in our favor) Zeitgeist. We have never been afraid of lies, no matter the amount of financial, spiritual or emotional power behind them, and thus, I am compelled to stress that the Holocaust, in its entirety, without compromise and without reservation, is also one such lie. I say this without any political, social or ideological strings necessarily attached - although I do definitely have them myself.

If one wants to look up any of my claims, feel free to do so. As always, Truth does not fear investigation and I do stress again that our side literally never lies. Granted, if I was wrong about some small detail or something, I am open to corrections. Lastly, if anyone wants to do research on this topic, I offer you nonetheless true information from some of the worst cesspools on the internet. I have this and this threads archived from 4chan. Yes, yes, I know. I know, Brothers and Sisters. But even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day, and ironically, this kind of dumpster used to, far in the past, serve as a bastion of truth even through the immense amount of unholy filth dumped in there too. Either way, if anyone wishes to check these topics, feel free to - but they also have a lot of """antisemitic""" rhetoric, memes, mockery, etc. I did my due diligence in warning you, the rest is up to you. Finally, if you don't mind more mockery, there is also this thread that, among other things, has posted some of the more ridiculous Holocaust claims (though all of them are ridiculous, without exception). Either way, that dump of a side has a veritable wealth of good information on this topic.

I myself used to frequent such dumps when I was younger, and I won't lie that I was radicalized through this as well (I'm not saying that as a bad thing, though you are free to disagree). But, I also found Father through these places, funnily enough. Either way, if you can look past some of the retards frothing at the mouth, the information posted is otherwise solid. Unfortunately, Reddit or Quora will not ever give you any correct information on very "sensitive" topics like the Holocaust, so until the Age of Truth comes and our rule is law under the Gods, we are sometimes having to dive into an ocean of filth just to bring back a singular pearl.

One does not have to be a Nazi to say the Holocaust never happened, we just have to have common sense and a scientific mind. When literally each and every single argument upholding the narrative of the Holocaust is not only a complete fabrication, but a flagrant spit in the face of the Truth, we can confidently say that it is a lie that is not even open to debate anymore - it has been utterly and thoroughly debunked in all possible aspects. Sure, many of the people saying this and doing the debunking are/were Nazis, but we are a religious organization and we can refer to the arguments of anyone so long as the arguments themselves adhere to the Truth. I haven't said all that I have said to claim we owe political allegiance to anyone, I recognize we moved past that, but let us not also "move past" the Truth just to sound more appealing to a larger number of people. Truth alone is sacrosanct.

This, I commit to the sole Temple dedicated to Truth in this world. May it be taken as such.

Praise Father Zeus Satya, the God of Truth.

 

[Emergent13]

Why didn’t the Gods tell Maxine that she was basing her beliefs on the wrong things?

High Priest already gave an answer, but I just want to make a small remark, coming from someone who is a beginner on the path and only using my logic and intuition here.

Does it occur to you that maybe the more radical approach (reptilians, greys, Aryan race, etc.) and beliefs were at that time could be necessary? People had no knowledge, and when you are out of any substance that sustains you, i.e., spirituality, a higher purpose, a worthy god to worship, and so on, it's in a way instinctive to try to look up for something to hate, be more radical, and spiteful. Now, the thing is the vast amount of sustenance we received after 20 years of research by the Clergy and all worthy members, and the Gods blessing us, we are evolving from past error and lesser understanding.

At that time, the radical approach was necessary to bring people to here, in my opinion. When you say to people that there are reptilian aliens walking among us and causing havoc, and actively trying to enslave us, this is obviously more attention gathering, provocative, and alerting, and therefore, at that time, was the right thing.

Same with Satan being an extraterrestrial and having an age, acquiring the Godhead himself at one point, just like how this is the goal of every serious Zevist here, this humanization of him I think was very beneficial at that time because it feels like he is just a few galaxies away from you, he is very close to you and he shares the same emotions with you and is very relatable. Many sermons also vividly explain how the Gods are so angry at the enemy that they will go to annihilate them like no one can dream of, that they share your anger and frustration to what is being inflicted to mankind. So, all of this was very necessary in my opinion. If Lady Maxine were to tell at that time that Satan is not just only a being with a material body, but encompasses all the universe, %80 of people who actually joined to JoS at that time (just a number that my intuition tells me) wouldn't join. Because humanity simply wasn't ready for that, not even remotely.

People were in dire need of a worthy God who fought on their behalf at that time. With Lady Maxine, they received this.
They also needed an enemy to sustain them so they can have a clear goal and aim; this was also necessary, even if it was not all encompassing as it is now.

I admit that the humanization of the Gods to a certain degree is very sweet and heart-warming, and at that time, this was needed, humanity lost sight of their Gods for two thousand years..

Now, we are here today. I am also confused about the nature of the Gods (didn't take meditation seriously for a very long time), but it makes total sense, because these are GODS. This question was asked many times before here: Why did the Gods let X event happen? Why did the Gods let Reptilians wreak havoc on our world? Why did the Gods didn't help Lord Hitler win?

Because the Universe operates with an order, and the Gods are also this order themselves, we align ourselves with the Gods, not the other way around. Why should the Gods do your errands for you? Again, it was sweet to believe in the notion of the humanized Gods. This is more like how a child looks for a role model, and as someone who admits he didn't take meditation seriously and came up with endless excuses, I am nothing but a child in comparison. It's a no brainer to understand that people who engaged with the mysteries of the Gods and advanced, they are way past this point of looking for a chest to rest their head on. They are powerful. And, as this Path is Eternal, the reality that the Gods are Eternal, All-Present, and Supreme sounds magnitudes of way sweeter, powerful, and fulfilling to these brothers/sisters. Truthfully, so.

But if this humanization of the Gods always results in you to dwell on the past, think that your Gods can be bound by the enemy in any way or degree, that you are a victim, and your Gods was a victim at one point somehow, and that they are REALLY angry, needless to say, this thought pattern becomes very unhinged and reeks of weakness.

At this point, your average Xian or Muslim reveres and upholds their imaginary god more than you?? They believe that their god can snap their finger and create a new universe instantly, meanwhile, should we here think that our Gods, at one point, to some degree sealed by the enemy and that they can be REALLY VERY angry about this? This is nonsense, and I came to this by only with my logic, people who are spiritually advanced should actually understand this reality way deeply, in a way that I can't even imagine to comprehend with my level right now, but it is due.. Hopefully.

I want to quote HPZM here, from an old sermon:

The most angering thing one can do to Zeus, is not curse him, because curses don't reach him, but misrepresent him. This really attracts his wrath more than anything else. Notice his enemy of course, went into 99% of misrepresentation, and turning him into a hideous monster and so forth. They knew they couldn't damage him anyway. So they damaged how the world saw him, instead.

See, the Enemy misrepresented our gods and tried to hide their legacy. You can also see the vivid description I mentioned here. This is not inherently negative, and again, was needed, and still is, maybe, but I see from now on, we are moving towards the realization that our Gods are way bigger than what we thought them as before.

Mankind allowed Izfet to reign for a very long time as a collective, so we paid the price. There is an order, and it is Ma'at; our goal is here to align ourselves and our loved ones first, then anyone or anywhere we can reach. This doesn't mean the Gods idly sit back; they do help us, but it's out of love for the whole humanity, nothing else. Their help is generous, real, and can be even miraculous for the worthy ones that deserve it. But to anyone that is waiting for our enemies to get nuked or something, or that thunders will start raining on them, none of this will going to happen. These are childish fantasies. The real victory against the enemy will be us rendering enemy as something so insignificant and not even slightly worthy for our time to stop for a second and feel pity for them. And this will only happen due to us being advanced as mankind, who ingrained all of the Gods' ethics in themselves, not because we marched with black leathers.

Our Gods was never or can ever be bound in any way. This past misunderstanding (which was needed and served its cause) is no more now and it's awesome!

Become a beacon of light yourself. Spiritual solution is eternal, most fulfilling and only real one. All others are facade.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

If I may throw in my two cents into this subject too... And please feel free to not let this post go up if it's bad form or anything. If not and if this is allowed to stay up, thank you, and see this as not a response to Priest AI exclusively, but an essay and commitment to Truthfulness, dedicated to all our Brothers and Sisters seeing this topic.

The Holocaust, in the sense of a deliberate attempt to systematically remove Yehuborim, has never happened. I have collected material on this for years (even though I lost all my hoarded information a few times over due to moves, crashes and not having backups, etc.), and I can confidently say that I have not come across a single piece of signed paper by Hitler, or any higher-ups of the Third Reich administration, giving the order to deliberately kill these people. The camps were work camps - that's it. Quite a few of them were explored by experts, historians and scientists. No ash remains in the soil anywhere were found, no "gas chambers" (in the sense of gassing people to death) ever existed and could not exist given the physical material conditions of the so-called gas chambers (wooden doors, not nearly enough residue left on the walls to suggest any lethal dose could possibly have been used, doors opening to the inside, etc.), it's mathematically impossible to burn anywhere *near* the amount of bodies mentioned (not to mention, again, no proof that anyone was burned to begin with), measures were taken to protect the lives of the inmates and let alone being killed, many Yehuborim were even born in the camps. Oh, it is also worth noting that the Yehuborim were pioneers in the field of image editing - from Stalin's extensive use of doctored photos to literally erase people from history to some of the most popular "photos" of the Holocaust in circulation being complete and utter fabrications, they really are a very creative people!

Usually, only the existence of something can be proven, and by definition, the nonexistence of something can never be conclusively proven. The Holocaust, on the other hand, is such a prevalent, prominent, ubiquitous topic and dare I say, lie, that it has also undergone an extreme amount of scrutiny. So much so that it is without a single bit of exaggeration that we can say it is the first event in all of human history whose nonexistence is proven, truly a marvel both in the field of history as well as epistemology.

Of course, some inmates, Yehuborim and otherwise, died within the camps. Especially more so toward the end of the war, where the Allied forces bombed the supply lines, thus cutting off supplies to these camps. They starved or were infested with lice which gave them typhoid, which was only made possible because of the bombings to begin with. But calling this a systemic killing would be the height of dishonesty. Other than the undesired deaths which many measures had been taken against, the Third Reich took pretty good care of these inmates, all things considered. Not to even mention the honestly holiday resort-like conditions in some of these camps - swimming pools, theatres, hospitals (obviously), brothels, and they even bred bunny rabbits in at least one. Granted, I am not arguing the brothels and the like were for the inmates, sure, but it stands to reason that they were allowed to make use of at least some of the amenities. This is further entrenched by the fact that in Auschwitz, there were football teams consisting of the inmates (!) and some prisoners were even released.

In very short, they weren't mistreated at all let alone systematically murdered. In fact, I even read on the forums many years ago (by whom, I am not sure - I am not claiming this was Clergy or anything. Just as likely to be Clergy as not) that supposedly, some officers who did kill inmates were actually given the death penalty. I never looked into it, never wanted to - I even found the idea that these Germans were killed for such a reason insulting, but I won't get into that. Either way, considering "our guys" literally never lie about these topics and we never even needed to, I'll just assume it was likely correct.

Now, did some people die in the camps? Absolutely - Yehuborim included. But again, this can largely be attributed to either natural causes or, especially towards the end of the war, lack of supplies - which the Allied forces also played a hand in. To say that the Holocaust "happened" to any degree just because some people happened to die, who happened to be Yehuborim, we would also have to say that every single expulsion that the Yehuborim have undergone throughout history, of which there are at least 1031 known cases. Sure, they also underwent some pogroms, which were systematic killings of Yehuborim in a certain area, but it'd just be dishonest to claim all of these examples of persecution were genocides. All genocides are persecution, not all persecution is genocide. The Yehuborim certainly were persecuted in WWII, but they were not systematically killed.

Furthermore, the Holocaust myth is a lie they tried to throw on every wall, just to see which one it sticks on - and it only stuck on the Germans. But far be it from me to not let you know that the idea and claim of the Holocaust is a lie going back ~120 years, with the first mentions of the 6 million figure going as far back as 1869. Here's a small excerpt going "only" as far back as 1900.

If we really want to recognize something starting with Holo, let's go for Holodomor instead. 7 million Ukrainian men, women and children actually were systematically killed in an engineered famine by Stalin (who was a you-know-what like all prominent communist leaders and ideologues). Those poor people deserve all the undue recognition the so-called Holocaust gets.

In short, unless this is a deliberate part of our new organizational direction (in which case I withdraw my refutation entirely), we should do what we have always done when it came to any controversial topic and move only in the service of Truth, without acquiescing to the feelings and sensitivities of people, media or even the (albeit completely shifting in our favor) Zeitgeist. We have never been afraid of lies, no matter the amount of financial, spiritual or emotional power behind them, and thus, I am compelled to stress that the Holocaust, in its entirety, without compromise and without reservation, is also one such lie. I say this without any political, social or ideological strings necessarily attached - although I do definitely have them myself.

If one wants to look up any of my claims, feel free to do so. As always, Truth does not fear investigation and I do stress again that our side literally never lies. Granted, if I was wrong about some small detail or something, I am open to corrections. Lastly, if anyone wants to do research on this topic, I offer you nonetheless true information from some of the worst cesspools on the internet. I have this and this threads archived from 4chan. Yes, yes, I know. I know, Brothers and Sisters. But even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day, and ironically, this kind of dumpster used to, far in the past, serve as a bastion of truth even through the immense amount of unholy filth dumped in there too. Either way, if anyone wishes to check these topics, feel free to - but they also have a lot of """antisemitic""" rhetoric, memes, mockery, etc. I did my due diligence in warning you, the rest is up to you. Finally, if you don't mind more mockery, there is also this thread that, among other things, has posted some of the more ridiculous Holocaust claims (though all of them are ridiculous, without exception). Either way, that dump of a side has a veritable wealth of good information on this topic.

I myself used to frequent such dumps when I was younger, and I won't lie that I was radicalized through this as well (I'm not saying that as a bad thing, though you are free to disagree). But, I also found Father through these places, funnily enough. Either way, if you can look past some of the retards frothing at the mouth, the information posted is otherwise solid. Unfortunately, Reddit or Quora will not ever give you any correct information on very "sensitive" topics like the Holocaust, so until the Age of Truth comes and our rule is law under the Gods, we are sometimes having to dive into an ocean of filth just to bring back a singular pearl.

One does not have to be a Nazi to say the Holocaust never happened, we just have to have common sense and a scientific mind. When literally each and every single argument upholding the narrative of the Holocaust is not only a complete fabrication, but a flagrant spit in the face of the Truth, we can confidently say that it is a lie that is not even open to debate anymore - it has been utterly and thoroughly debunked in all possible aspects. Sure, many of the people saying this and doing the debunking are/were Nazis, but we are a religious organization and we can refer to the arguments of anyone so long as the arguments themselves adhere to the Truth. I haven't said all that I have said to claim we owe political allegiance to anyone, I recognize we moved past that, but let us not also "move past" the Truth just to sound more appealing to a larger number of people. Truth alone is sacrosanct.

This, I commit to the sole Temple dedicated to Truth in this world. May it be taken as such.

Praise Father Zeus Satya, the God of Truth.

Excellent, what did you do today for the Temple, how the above helps anyone in existence?

Can you please take your post, walk in the White House and tell them as well, because I really do not care, look at me, did not even read it. Time is up for gentile goyim victimization. It is very needed: IQ points, social awareness of where you are, and giving of fucks tokens via doing something for the Temple. All else is goyim talk.

People question holocaust and like Hitler because the new generations DO NOT GIVE A FUCK about any holocaust, not because they agree with Hitler.

You want to do historical changes and corrections: get on the educational level, get accredited, propose research and SOLVE it, OFFICIALLY. STOP BEING A GOYIM WRITING ON A FORUM ABOUT FUCKING HOLOCAUST BEING X OR Y THEN GOING BACK TO NORMAL. Or do activism but not here. Denying the holocaust is illegal in many places, want to rebel, big brave person, do it , go change the laws thanks. We gave you spiritual power to do this, stop barking at the wrong trees.

My personal opinion: I love all humans and humanity except the criminals and those who wish it harm and obstacles by evil and ill will.