How To Debate Christians et al

[kokabiel24]

As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki), quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps, no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.

 

[Allison P]

All good advice. I don't think I'll do that, but if I ever do decide
to, I will keep all you say in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice.

On 8/9/11, kokabiel24 <moonshadow48@... wrote:
As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few
good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated
Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody
fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for
each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting
to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and
that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and
convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to
confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as
their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki),
quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are
wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two
things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return
mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns
no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the
tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told
them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that
is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst
thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO
DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against
and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I
don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to
help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about
it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps,
no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE
what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you
wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO
realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would
be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you
obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was
actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I
believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And
one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of
what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate
them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.

 

[diznit26]

There's no use trying to "debate" them unless they're very open minded. What I do is what is advised in the JoS site. Hit them with "exposingchristianity.com" and run and find another xian forum and do the same thing. The open-minded ones will do check it out, as for the close-minded xians there you can do nothing aobut them. A single link can do wonders and I've noticed this many times.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@... wrote:

All good advice. I don't think I'll do that, but if I ever do decide
to, I will keep all you say in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice.

On 8/9/11, kokabiel24 <moonshadow48@... wrote:
As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few
good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated
Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody
fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for
each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting
to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and
that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and
convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to
confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as
their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki),
quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are
wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two
things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return
mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns
no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the
tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told
them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that
is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst
thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO
DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against
and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I
don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to
help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about
it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps,
no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE
what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you
wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO
realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would
be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you
obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was
actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I
believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And
one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of
what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate
them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.

 

[Allyson Ford]

Great advice though!! I would also add in laughter when they speak. Sometimes it makes me laugh while being angered at the same time. 

-Allyson Ford 

On Aug 10, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Allison P <apocalypseofjon@... wrote:

  All good advice. I don't think I'll do that, but if I ever do decide
to, I will keep all you say in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice.

On 8/9/11, kokabiel24 <[url=mailto:moonshadow48@...]moonshadow48@...[/url] wrote:
As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few
good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated
Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody
fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for
each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting
to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and
that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and
convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to
confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as
their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki),
quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are
wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two
things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return
mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns
no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the
tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told
them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that
is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst
thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO
DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against
and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I
don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to
help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about
it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps,
no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE
what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you
wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO
realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would
be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you
obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was
actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I
believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And
one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of
what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate
them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.

 

[Don Danko]

As a [/IMG]</var>   On the indiviidual level find out what are the pillars of belief that hold up the roof of their belief and knock them down.   On the group level its the major pillars of the system as a whole. As its a boarder appeal.
From: diznit26 <diznit26@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:04:18 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: How To Debate Christians et al

  There's no use trying to "debate" them unless they're very open minded. What I do is what is advised in the JoS site. Hit them with "exposingchristianity.com" and run and find another xian forum and do the same thing. The open-minded ones will do check it out, as for the close-minded xians there you can do nothing aobut them. A single link can do wonders and I've noticed this many times.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@... wrote:

All good advice. I don't think I'll do that, but if I ever do decide
to, I will keep all you say in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice.

On 8/9/11, kokabiel24 <moonshadow48@... wrote:
As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few
good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated
Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody
fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for
each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting
to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and
that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and
convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to
confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as
their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki),
quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are
wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two
things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return
mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns
no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the
tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told
them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that
is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst
thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO
DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against
and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I
don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to
help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about
it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps,
no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE
what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you
wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO
realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would
be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you
obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was
actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I
believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And
one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of
what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate
them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.

 

[Mike Leskela]

<td val[/IMG]When I post in the yahoo answers about Satanism,these idiots neaver respond back.Debating with Laveyan Satanists  about thier so called modern Church of Satan now is not an easy task on thier forum.They still continue to rebuke and make fun of us if we dont see thier way.Its like arguing with a bunch of 7 year olds,IS SO,IS NOT etc.My god can beat up your god.

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

From: Don Danko <mageson6666@...
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: How To Debate Christians et al
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 3:20 AM

  As a [/IMG]</var>   On the indiviidual level find out what are the pillars of belief that hold up the roof of their belief and knock them down.   On the group level its the major pillars of the system as a whole. As its a boarder appeal.
From: diznit26 <diznit26@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:04:18 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: How To Debate Christians et al

  There's no use trying to "debate" them unless they're very open minded. What I do is what is advised in the JoS site. Hit them with "exposingchristianity.com" and run and find another xian forum and do the same thing. The open-minded ones will do check it out, as for the close-minded xians there you can do nothing aobut them. A single link can do wonders and I've noticed this many times.

--- In [[email protected]][email protected][/email], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@... wrote:

All good advice. I don't think I'll do that, but if I ever do decide
to, I will keep all you say in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice.

On 8/9/11, kokabiel24 <moonshadow48@... wrote:
As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few
good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated
Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody
fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for
each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting
to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and
that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and
convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to
confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as
their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki),
quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are
wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two
things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return
mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns
no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the
tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told
them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that
is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst
thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO
DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against
and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I
don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to
help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about
it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps,
no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE
what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you
wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO
realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would
be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you
obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was
actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I
believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And
one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of
what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate
them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.

[/TD]

 

[kokabiel24]

I know, Mike--that's why I quit going on those forums, they drove me insane! Because their goal is to make you lose your temper so they can say, "see there, Satanists are really hateful and evil"...

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Mike Leskela <mleskela@... wrote:

When I post in the yahoo answers about Satanism,these idiots neaver respond back.Debating with Laveyan Satanists  about thier so called modern Church of Satan now is not an easy task on thier forum.They still continue to rebuke and make fun of us if we dont see thier way.Its like arguing with a bunch of 7 year olds,IS SO,IS NOT etc.My god can beat up your god.

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:


From: Don Danko <mageson6666@...
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: How To Debate Christians et al
To: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 3:20 AM


 





As a general rule of thumb:
 
On the indiviidual level find out what are the pillars of belief that hold up the roof of their belief and knock them down.
 
On the group level its the major pillars of the system as a whole. As its a boarder appeal.




From: diznit26 <diznit26@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:04:18 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: How To Debate Christians et al


 

There's no use trying to "debate" them unless they're very open minded. What I do is what is advised in the JoS site. Hit them with "exposingchristianity.com" and run and find another xian forum and do the same thing. The open-minded ones will do check it out, as for the close-minded xians there you can do nothing aobut them. A single link can do wonders and I've noticed this many times.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@ wrote:

All good advice. I don't think I'll do that, but if I ever do decide
to, I will keep all you say in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice.

On 8/9/11, kokabiel24 <moonshadow48@ wrote:
As a battle-scarred debater in the religious forums, I think I have a few
good words of advice to anyone who decides to try this. I have debated
Christians, Atheists, and even Wiccans (and have seen some very bloody
fights, esp between Christians and Atheists who have a special hatred for
each other!). The first thing to know is this: if you go on there expecting
to convert them to Satanism, you will fail. They CANNOT be converted, and
that is not why they are there--they are there to make fun of you and
convert YOU if possible. They will mock you, insult you, sling mud, try to
confuse you, be kind in order to try to convert you, assume you are evil as
their idea of Satan is from their bible (they have NO idea about Enki),
quote endless bible verses, and try their hardest to make you admit you are
wrong. What must you do in the face of such an onslaught? You must do two
things: a) keep your dignity at all times--that means NO return
mud-slinging, even though you will burn to do so, and b) stick to your guns
no matter what they say. Atheists will mock you and say you believe in the
tooth fairy--don't let it get to you, just answer calmly (I often have told
them, "but the tooth fairy never showed me miracles, and Satan does"-- that
is an example of sticking to your guns and keeping your dignity). The worst
thing you can do is let them get you really angry, which they WILL TRY TO
DO. It is their only real defense, besides their tiresome bible verses.

If you MUST go out on these forums, at least know what you are up against
and what to expect. I think I was very right in trying to debate them (I
don't do it anymore, I've "gone that route" and don't feel the desire to
help them at all, for one thing)--but I learned the hard way how to go about
it. Remember: keep your dignity, don't let them get to you (laughing helps,
no matter what ridiculous ways they try to tear you down and make you PROVE
what you say), and say your piece--don't allow them to admit they proved you
wrong, stick to what you say. Repeat the same things, if necessary. And DO
realize you will receive many, many thumbs-down votes. SO then, what would
be the point in going out on these forums and debating these people whom you
obviously can't help and don't want you there? Well, a few times I was
actually praised for keeping my cool and stating calmly and firmly what I
believed. that probably made it worth it. But I wouldn't do it again. And
one last thing--if they should start querying about the finer details of
what Spiritual Satanists believe, you are not obligated to educate
them--refer them to the JOS website. Good luck.