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CatDoll

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I actually dont have the best relationship with food. fruits and vegetables are my safe foods and now i am in my healty and skinny as possible BMI and i want to try this. This woman says she got rid of type two diabetes with going on raw vegan and i really liked it. is it ok to try? nuts, seeds, fruits and vegetables but raw i think its ok



 
Fruits are fine as part of a general diet, but fruitarianism is the absolute worst diet you can have. I have seen people go flat out insane from this diet. For a start, heat is a necessary part of a human diet and this diet contains foods that are constantly cold, moist and wet.

Secondly, the majority of fruits we have are from manipulation and not comparable in nutritional content to (processed) healthy fruits like baobab or natural oranges eaten by tribes, which are either cooked to reduce sourness or ground into a powder after cooking.

This diet is also not good for the teeth and bones at all, nor even really the skin (beyond vitamin C). No nutrients for their development whatsoever. The amount of chewing is too much and puts more stress on everything, blending, spiralizing and julienning everything also takes time. Too many smoothies and so on damage teeth badly as well. Look closely at how many of these people have veneers or busted teeth.

I do not advise this.
 
I honestly think this is all very false. Type 2 diabetes is not curable but can be kept at bay through a healthy diet and physical activity and with the right medication.
I do not recommend a vegan diet, the nutrients in meat are very important for our body. It is the food chain. Leave all that alone.
It is right to eat everything in the right amounts, but it is wrong to have a diet of only fruits and vegetables
 
Fruits are fine as part of a general diet, but fruitarianism is the absolute worst diet you can have. I have seen people go flat out insane from this diet. For a start, heat is a necessary part of a human diet and this diet contains foods that are constantly cold, moist and wet.

Secondly, the majority of fruits we have are from manipulation and not comparable in nutritional content to (processed) healthy fruits like baobab or natural oranges eaten by tribes, which are either cooked to reduce sourness or ground into a powder after cooking.

This diet is also not good for the teeth and bones at all, nor even really the skin (beyond vitamin C). No nutrients for their development whatsoever. The amount of chewing is too much and puts more stress on everything, blending, spiralizing and julienning everything also takes time. Too many smoothies and so on damage teeth badly as well. Look closely at how many of these people have veneers or busted teeth.

I do not advise this.
I would say that balance between types of food is the key here, but I'm looking to put order in my diet, I will make a post about it soon, for asking guide in nutrition and similar.
 
I have heard of more than one case where someone had sufferred a stroke as a result of veganism.

Diet is very individual to one's elemental make-up etc., and has to be experimented with a little, but I would recommend you stay away from this.
 
Jews push veganism or vegetarianism to weaken us. We're not gorillas who have huge stomachs.

Go raw carnivore. Or alternata day fasting - 16/8. Make this your routine and thus you'll form a habit.

Google 'ex vegan carnovore' or something along these lines. See the 'boons'.

If vege/vega is still an option after that... to those people I say "Happy farting, and enjoy your bloating ^^"

Type 2 diabetes is not curable but can be kept at bay through a healthy diet and physical activity and with the right medication
Alternatively, one can do a prolonged water fast. Angus Barbieri broke the record in June 30th 1966, but he was MORBIDLY obese.

https://www.youtube.com/@hubermanlab

However, if one wants to gain weight - hit the gym.
 
I actually dont have the best relationship with food. fruits and vegetables are my safe foods and now i am in my healty and skinny as possible BMI and i want to try this. This woman says she got rid of type two diabetes with going on raw vegan and i really liked it. is it ok to try? nuts, seeds, fruits and vegetables but raw i think its ok



im a raw vegan with the exception of responsibly sourced and humanely killed fish and free range eggs with no chick culling, personally this it the best diet you can be on. definitely high vibrational and super healthy.
 
People like to say that bulls and gorillas are very strong, so vegetables must have enough protein. How this works with ruminant animals like cows, deer, moose, and goats is their stomachs have multiple different sections. And these sections are full of bacteria that break down the cellulose in the plants. They spend all day long coughing up the cud and continue to chew it more, which increases the surface area for more bacteria to grow on it. A gorilla does not have the same shape of stomach, but it works in a similar way where it is designed as an environment to grow the maximum possible amount of bacteria. The bacteria is then digested and eaten by the stomach.

Bulls and gorillas are digesting hundreds of billions of cells of bacteria every day, and is the equivalent amount of animal protein from the bacteria as if they are eating a large amount of meat every day. Basically they are still eating and digesting enormous amounts of meat, but the meat is from trillions of microscopic bacteria "animals" that they farm internally inside their stomachs. The bull and gorilla do not digest and do not receive any of their nutrients from grass and sticks, that is only food to feed the bacteria that they are actually eating.


You are not a cow and you are not a deer. You are a human. Human digestive system is designed as omnivorous and is requiring a mix of plant and animal foods. If you don't want to eat animals for some moral reason, then at least eat eggs every day. There is no moral reason to not eat an egg, and an egg contains most of the protein and other nutrients that your body needs. Eggs also have a lot of vitamins and smaller nutrients. Eggs are not the only thing you would need, but it would go a long way to helping you. And if your morals would also allow you to eat fishes, that would also be extremely healthy and important to you. You would also need a source of calcium and more animal fats, so cheese and butter would help with this. Unrefined coconut oil is the vegetable source that is most similar to animal fat, and consuming this will be very helpful to you, but it is still not enough. I use olive oil, butter, and coconut oil when I cook often mixed together.

Milk would be good, but not everybody digests milk well. You can drink kefir which I think is much easier for people to digest, and is also delicious. It is a fermented milk product kind of like yogurt, but it is more like a milkshake.

The fruit only diet is basically the single fastest way to actually kill your pancreas. And a weak pancreas is exactly what creates diabetes. It is a very quick way to make the diabetes worse and eventually die from it. Look at Steve Jobs for a perfect example. He had pancreas cancer, and then he started a fruit only diet to try to slow down the cancer. It did exactly the opposite and the cancer grew extremely fast as the pancreas became weaker. This example is well studied by doctors, who say that this diet was the exact worst possible thing he could have done.

If you don't like red meat because for some people it is difficult to digest, eggs and fish do not have this problem. These are the easiest sources of animal protein for your body to digest and absorb. Whey protein powder is also a good idea, but you have to be very careful what brand you get because many brands include vitamins that also include a high amount of heavy metals. Get a brand that is very simple without extra ingredients. Jocko Molk is the best one I found. It is whey and eggs combined, and also includes probiotics and digestive enzymes to help you absorb it better.
 
Most of the time our mothers' cooking is the best. Just eat them and take as an example what they have done to us. SS have to have healthy bodies.

Bulls and gorillas are digesting hundreds of billions of cells of bacteria every day,
That's why veterinarians say cows are carnivores.

We're not gorillas who have huge stomachs.
If I was a gorilla with a huge stomach, I still wouldn't be able to stay vegan in Turkey, hell. This time inflation could not affect me.
 
Human digestive system is designed as omnivorous and is requiring a mix of plant and animal foods.
I'd personally go further than that. I'd say we're basically carnivorous more so than omnivorous.

I explain in detail why I believe that's the case here:


All I got in the replies were just claims that humans need plants without arguing why in a scientific manner. The only plants humans can digest properly are starches and sugars, so carbs, and we don't need those, as proven by biochemistry. Carbs are basically a backup energy food in case there was no fat back in the day, which is why the main carb sources humans ate were fruit and honey, and those were eaten when they were available for extra energy and no other reason, and only a handful of times a year. Since agriculture, carbs have been mass-produced and eaten in large quantities daily, as well as alcohol, which is fermented sugar. Ever since then our skulls and teeth have been all fucked up, as can be seen when the skulls and teeth of humans pre-agriculture (larger and healthier, see Weston Price's research for this) were compared to those post agriculture who had smaller skulls and got grains stuck all over their teeth, which allowed the bacteria to ferment those sugars to acid and destroy the teeth. The only real use for carbs is if there's no other food around or if you're in competitive sports and need quick replenishment of glycogen stores in the muscles.

We need carbs about as much as we need alcohol. But I guess people like to get their pitchforks out when you tell them their bread and beer are bad for them. One of the very, very few things I agree with Islam about is its prohibition of gambling and alcohol, not that it stops Muslims from doing these things anyway, but a society that gets rid of these things is 100% a healthier one compared to one that doesn't.

Which plants do we need to eat and why? Can anyone answer this from a nutritional standpoint? Eat what you want at the end of the day, I'm not like vegan fanatics demanding you should all eat carnivore, but if you're going to argue a diet is most optimal, then present a proper case for it, like I did.
 
im a raw vegan with the exception of responsibly sourced and humanely killed fish and free range eggs with no chick culling, personally this it the best diet you can be on. definitely high vibrational and super healthy.
No. Veganism is a specific belief system about not using animal products.

That's like saying 'I'm a cyclist, but I never rode a bike.'
 
No. Veganism is a specific belief system about not using animal products.

That's like saying 'I'm a cyclist, but I never rode a bike.'
To be more precise, Veganism is about not exploiting animals, specifically higher-order animals that are confirmed to be conscious and feel pain. Some Vegans argue you could eat some animals as a vegan if they're of a lower consciousness and/or don't feel pain, which is why you'll see a lot of them be fine with eating crustaceans and molluscs(things like scallops, not higher order like squid or octopi), for example. Many vegans will also say you could eat an unfertilised egg, a chicken laid out in the wild, for example, as no animals were exploited in the process. Other vegans avoid eating any animals altogether. There isn't a proper definition, but they all agree on not exploiting animals, which includes killing them or forcefully taking their eggs/milk from them.

It's a very empathy-based, idealistic kind of philosophy, and they have their hearts in the right place, but the issue is, we need to eat animals. The malnutrition turns a lot of vegans neurotic, and sadly, a lot of them had mental issues even before becoming vegan, which then get worse after converting to that lifestyle due to deficiencies.

The key message I take from Veganism, and which I respect, is that we need to put an end to the exploitation of animals wherever we can without harming ourselves; that doesn't mean we should stop eating them, however.
 
You can try eating vegetables, fruits.. i think it is nothing bad. I was eating a lot of vegetables for some time, and i was feeling really fresh..
 
Most of the time our mothers' cooking is the best. Just eat them and take as an example what they have done to us. SS have to have healthy bodies.
i am the one who cooking and cleaning 🤠
That's why veterinarians say cows are carnivores.


If I was a gorilla with a huge stomach, I still wouldn't be able to stay vegan in Turkey, hell. This time inflation could not affect me.
ariana grande glowed up after veganism she looks so thin and pretty now

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The malnutrition turns a lot of vegans neurotic, and sadly, a lot of them had mental issues even before becoming vegan, which then get worse after converting to that lifestyle due to deficiencies.
it may about orthorexia
 
i am the one who cooking and cleaning 🤠
It's good that you are helping your family... I think you're doing well for now.

ariana grande glowed up after veganism she looks so thin and pretty now

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I hope you're kidding. When she went vegan, she completely collapsed. The old grande was is beautiful. If I saw her, I would definitely fall in love.

You women's idea of beauty is not normal.

For mens and womens, it's good to be a little chubby. A little belly is even good. Overweight and extreme thinness are not healthy.
 
i am the one who cooking and cleaning 🤠

ariana grande glowed up after veganism she looks so thin and pretty now

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You have very unhealthy beauty standards, she looks like gollum from Lord of the Rings now. Do you use instagram a lot? If yes or even if not a lot you could be getting brainwashed with very unrealistic beauty standards.
 
For realistic and good beauty standards, look at Greek statues, for example.


 
ariana grande glowed up after veganism she looks so thin and pretty now
She looks horrible. Skinny, malnourished, unhealthy - unfeminine.

The reality presented in ig is FAKE AS FUCK. You can shit on yourself so many filters that you'll barely be recognisable.

I've just serched 'instagram filters failures' - here's what found:

You could also seek info on the link between social media and depression - usually it is women who suffer from it. Why? Because they can never achieve such 'perfect beuty standards'. Standars my ARSE. 'Standards' imposed by other deranged individuals.

Depending on who you'd like to look like this shade of a woman:

1) if for men: Grande is not a plasant sight to behold - NO.

2) for women - other gals want to keep you away from the men's eyes, so they'll tell you 'you look fine' (when you don't),

and 3) for yourself - if it is about losing weight to 'just' look good, gym+healthy, balanced diet (no, NOT VEGAN) and you'll look stunning.
 
Raw veganism is basically starving your body of all the essential vitamins, minerals and nutrients it requires to function. Did you hear about the raw vegan influencer who died recently? Autopsy showed she was severely malnourished to the point her immune system had collapsed and her body was physically unable to heal itself from sickness and fight off infections.

Balance is key, especially with diet, but as a human being your body requires animal products to sustain itself.
 
Did you hear about the raw vegan influencer who died recently?
Would you mind providing a link? My guess is that the OP would benefit from the sources immensely.

Veganism is as pathological as (morbid) obesity. Oh, should anyone think that being obese is nothing to worry about, here:

Balance is key, especially with diet, but as a human being your body requires animal products to sustain itself.
True - that said, veganism and morbid obesity are CULTS.
 
What is beautiful is what is healthy. A skeleton person is not healthy and not attractive. It is as bad as an extremely fat person.

Be as healthy as possible, and don't listen to other women saying what makes a woman attractive because most of them do not know. These fake beauty standards that many girls and women have now that make them so depressed do not even have anything to do with what most men are actually attracted to, and it is just bullshit. Also a lot of this with girls is because many of them are like crabs in a bucket, they just pull each other down and try to prevent each other from being happy or successful, so they even purposefully lie to each other about what they should do to become more attractive when really it would make them look worse. Women tell other women that a 40kg skeleton person is the most attractive, but you will not find men that agree because it is not true.
 
Look at the statues of our Goddesses. None of them is depicted as being extremely skinny and malnourished, and none of them is depicted as being fat and overall overweight.

Red meat is essential for men and should be eaten every day same as eggs. Eggs help keep cholesterol levels in check (men should eat at least 5 medium a day, or 4 large ones). Eggs give you the building blocks that then can be converted in sexual hormones, such as testosterone and oestrogen.

Women may eat less red meat, but they still need it a couple of days a week, or they will not have enough iron and other essential nutrients contained in red meat. I think women should eat more fish and seafood in general as it helps with their physiology, but I'm not well-studied in women's health.

If you keep meditating and advancing, you'll find out that extremes are always bad for you. Extremes in the context of nutrition are the following diets: vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, fruitarian, and raw.

Also, someone mentioned type-2 diabetes. Illnesses like this are not genetic. Genes give you the potential for many things but it's your lifestyle and environment that decide which genes activate and which genes stay dormant, and how activated genes express. Genetics is not deterministic.

People with type-2 diabetes are like that because of over-reliance on carbs. For example, many Italians eat too many carbs. They eat pasta twice a day, and usually at leat 100g per serving. That is not healthy, and it shows in how many elderly Italians have in fact type-2 diabetes.

Your lifestyle decides how you age. Diet, physical fitness, psychological development and afflictions... all these and other environmental factors will influence whether you can carry your shopping at 70 and 80 year old or not, whether you can walk or not, whether you can go up and down the stairs, whether you can carry your grandkids on your shoulders, how fast you look old, how fast you walk, how your brain processes information, how your short- and long-term memory will be.

Excess of sugars for example brings cognitive decline, affecting your memory, etc.

Lack of several specific exercises multiple times a week every year of your life will prevent you from doing related movements when you get old.

It's not age, it's your bad habits across the years. But people blame age, because it's easier than being mature and taking responsibility for their actions.

If you follow a raw vegan diet, in a few years you'll be dead. Not healthy. Dead.
 
Lack of several specific exercises multiple times a week every year of your life will prevent you from doing related movements when you get old.
Can you elaborate on this even if little? What movements specifically? Or in general terms, what area of body?
 
Can you elaborate on this even if little? What movements specifically? Or in general terms, what area of body?
For example, squatting preserves the ability to go up and down the stairs because it mimics the movement. Advanced variations (or adding load) is necessary, though. Otherwise anyone just going up and down the stairs a couple of times a day would manage to do it.

Carries preserve the ability to carry your groceries. Think farmers walk and similar. Any isometric carrying of a higher load helps. The higher the load you can carry in 1 minutes, the higher the load you can carry as shopping for several minutes.

These are 2 examples. Think about the movements you are going to need when you're old, and what lifting/calisthenics/gymnastics/strongman exercises relate to it, and do it 2-3x a week, with normal growth principles (like progressive overload) in mind.

If you want to be able to run when you're old, you need to run. That's the easiest to figure out. Run long for stamina, fast for speed 😂

This is not just for aging. Anyone who doesn't do something, stops being able to do it. For example, many unfit people are unable to run for 5 minutes, some not even for 1 minute. Someone who always take the car to go shopping always struggles to their bags, even from the shop to the car.

If you don't put load on your shoulders (i.e. sandbags or barbells or even a backpack with increasingly heavy staff inside) and walk with it, you will struggle to carry your kids and your grandkids. You may even get back issues, which all lazy people past a certain age though.

It's not just about strengthening certain muscles (although that's necessary apart from what I'm saying) but also about replicating movements. Replicating movements engages your nervous system and develops neuromuscular coordination, making the movements easier. This can also be observed when learning something new: the demand for your brain is much higher when learning something which can leave you worn out and increase the intensity of resources used by your body; but once you learned it, your body and brain know how to do it, so it takes less resources (including energy and effort) to do.

Did I answer your question?
 
For example, squatting preserves the ability to go up and down the stairs because it mimics the movement. Advanced variations (or adding load) is necessary, though. Otherwise anyone just going up and down the stairs a couple of times a day would manage to do it.

Carries preserve the ability to carry your groceries. Think farmers walk and similar. Any isometric carrying of a higher load helps. The higher the load you can carry in 1 minutes, the higher the load you can carry as shopping for several minutes.

These are 2 examples. Think about the movements you are going to need when you're old, and what lifting/calisthenics/gymnastics/strongman exercises relate to it, and do it 2-3x a week, with normal growth principles (like progressive overload) in mind.

If you want to be able to run when you're old, you need to run. That's the easiest to figure out. Run long for stamina, fast for speed 😂

This is not just for aging. Anyone who doesn't do something, stops being able to do it. For example, many unfit people are unable to run for 5 minutes, some not even for 1 minute. Someone who always take the car to go shopping always struggles to their bags, even from the shop to the car.

If you don't put load on your shoulders (i.e. sandbags or barbells or even a backpack with increasingly heavy staff inside) and walk with it, you will struggle to carry your kids and your grandkids. You may even get back issues, which all lazy people past a certain age though.

It's not just about strengthening certain muscles (although that's necessary apart from what I'm saying) but also about replicating movements. Replicating movements engages your nervous system and develops neuromuscular coordination, making the movements easier. This can also be observed when learning something new: the demand for your brain is much higher when learning something which can leave you worn out and increase the intensity of resources used by your body; but once you learned it, your body and brain know how to do it, so it takes less resources (including energy and effort) to do.

Did I answer your question?
Yes, perfectly, and provided valuable information for the general readership. Thank you.
 
She looks horrible. Skinny, malnourished, unhealthy - unfeminine.

The reality presented in ig is FAKE AS FUCK. You can shit on yourself so many filters that you'll barely be recognisable.

I've just serched 'instagram filters failures' - here's what found:

You could also seek info on the link between social media and depression - usually it is women who suffer from it. Why? Because they can never achieve such 'perfect beuty standards'. Standars my ARSE. 'Standards' imposed by other deranged individuals.

Depending on who you'd like to look like this shade of a woman:

1) if for men: Grande is not a plasant sight to behold - NO.

2) for women - other gals want to keep you away from the men's eyes, so they'll tell you 'you look fine' (when you don't),

and 3) for yourself - if it is about losing weight to 'just' look good, gym+healthy, balanced diet (no, NOT VEGAN) and you'll look stunning.
You have very unhealthy beauty standards, she looks like gollum from Lord of the Rings now. Do you use instagram a lot? If yes or even if not a lot you could be getting brainwashed with very unrealistic beauty standards.
sorry for my triggering sense of beauty and words. i actually like every type of body in women and man but when i look at mirror i started to like myself as skin and bones. thats why i am in a anorexia recover. i am 164 and 42 kg now its nearly my-low as posible-healthy weight. actually i am afraid of gaining more bc my heartbeat is ok now. i was really bad when i was 28kg.



https://images.prismic.io/techtrans...norexia-4.jpg?auto=compress,format&w=828&q=75i used to be healty and 55kg when i started a high restriction diet. i was happy

these insta accounts...
 
sorry for my triggering sense of beauty and words. i actually like every type of body in women and man but when i look at mirror i started to like myself as skin and bones. thats why i am in a anorexia recover. i am 164 and 42 kg now its nearly my-low as posible-healthy weight. actually i am afraid of gaining more bc my heartbeat is ok now. i was really bad when i was 28kg.



https://images.prismic.io/techtransparencyproject/9ec33ae0-aaeb-4393-96c3-0a2afddf6c37_insta-anorexia-4.jpg?auto=compress,format&w=828&q=75i used to be healty and 55kg when i started a high restriction diet. i was happy

these insta accounts...
i was happy and normal girl who loves dancing. and i used to love my body. then i met with high restriction (december?). now i am afraid of gaining so much weight.

i used to follow wrong social media accounts and friends with wrong ones that who made me belief i have to lose weight when i am 164 cm and 55kg...

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i was happy and normal girl who loves dancing. and i used to love my body. then i met with high restriction (december?). now i am afraid of gaining so much weight.

i used to follow wrong social media accounts and friends with wrong ones that who made me belief i have to lose weight when i am 164 cm and 55kg...

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It is very sad. 55kg is a healthy weight for you. 60kg would be even better.
 
Let me tell you @CatDoll that you don't need to be afraid to lose weight - because you will certainly NOT look like those morbidly obese, suicidal whales.

For a woman being underweight is related to not menstruating, which is UNheathy.

Furthermore, when you gain some weight, you will actually become even MORE ATTRACTIVE :) .

You're wise to have acknowledged that you have been following the wrong kind of social media - because indeed, 'misery loves company'.

I'd advise you to hit YouTube and (binge?)watch videos on how to gain weight. Bear in mind, you'll have to watch MANY of them to have the proper knowledge on how to do it safely (see Stormblood's advice in the post above).

Ooofff, keeping my fingers crossed for your health! :D
 
Let me tell you @CatDoll that you don't need to be afraid to lose weight - because you will certainly NOT look like those morbidly obese, suicidal whales.
that was what i afraid off. when i eat too much (normal) i feel so heavy (may about my digestion bc some of the days i survive on an apple and too much cofee)
For a woman being underweight is related to not menstruating, which is UNheathy.

Furthermore, when you gain some weight, you will actually become even MORE ATTRACTIVE :) .
you are right. i used to like feminine bodies before my eating disorder (i still like them) but bad transits and disordered body image ass comunity convinced me to be skin and bones. (its not all their problem also in my culture eating less=good, and i was so rude to my body)
You're wise to have acknowledged that you have been following the wrong kind of social media - because indeed, 'misery loves company'.

I'd advise you to hit YouTube and (binge?)watch videos on how to gain weight. Bear in mind, you'll have to watch MANY of them to have the proper knowledge on how to do it safely (see Stormblood's advice in the post above).
if i gain 4 more kilograms i will be free from clinic. but i still avoid from my fear foods (bread,butter,fast food,red meat etc.) it makes me slowly gaining it.
Ooofff, keeping my fingers crossed for your health! :D
awww you are so sweet<3

i actually start mensturating again and my heartbeat is ok. my doctor alowwed me to dance again. loveyou<3
 
that was what i afraid off. when i eat too much (normal) i feel so heavy (may about my digestion bc some of the days i survive on an apple and too much cofee)
You are not aware of basic human physiology when you state that you survive with that kind of habit. Your body, and indirectly your mind, suffer greatly from this. That is called being malnourished. Your body does not receive the required building blocks and, as a consequence, is not able to maintain certain functions and "eats itself" to survive (catabolic state).
but i still avoid from my fear foods (bread,butter,fast food,red meat etc.) it makes me slowly gaining it.
Butter (within reason), and eggs, and red meat (and bread, why not, but it is less of a need for most people than these other foodstuffs) that were previously mentioned are key for being healthy and make the physical side of things so much easier and better for you, and actually, for most other people as well. I say most because in the current world, there are some notable exceptions due to certain health issues stemming from environmental factors, harmful programming, and genetic component.
 

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