Experimental meditation - Probing the deeper parts of the mind

[Shakra]

I thought of this meditation while in a yoga session, perhaps not even of my own, but I was thinking of the past experiences of certain astral visions and whether they're just entirely one sided and if I even have any direct will or control of this phenomena. The way I can say, is like it's a "mind beyond a mind" but I've come to realize these are just the lower or deeper parts of the conscious mind.

Basically, it's like a trance meditation with different methods to interact with the lower consciousness of the mind. Perhaps you could even consider this an alternative method to obtaining a trance.

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

Doesn't have to be a fruit, could be shapes, figures or even numbers.

Once you get the hang of this, imagine the 2nd object rotating or changing color/shape. By doing this, this is closest to what can be described when these phenomena occurs. Then, you can simply focus on your third eye while imagining the 2nd object in a blank state, perhaps you may experience something.

Hopefully the above makes sense. For anyone who tries this, let me know anything that happens. I've had a few things flash in brief moments.

 

[Shakra]

After doing this a couple times, I noticed that the first image becomes more focused and clear. To the point I may really see a blank piece of paper inside my eyes.

Basically the trick is to think of multiple images at the same time without them overlapping each other. I think the more images the stronger the 1st one becomes, but this can strain the mind to some extent. The images I try are triangle, square and circle at the same time.

 

[Lotus666]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

 

[Shakra]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

 

[AFODO]

This is very similar to the "Merging Astral Consciousness"

The mergin consciousness happens "outside" and what you describe is inside.
I think your meditation can be used to program your subconscious mind, so be careful what you program into it.

 

[Lotus666]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

I need to re read your original post several times to make sure I’m doing it correctly.
So I can do it with other senses instead of visualising an object ?
Like AFODO said I also think your meditation can be used to program the subconscious mind.

What effects did you experience with this meditation I’d like to know. Just curious. What actually happened after properly doing this meditation? What experience?

 

[Lotus666]

After doing this a couple times, I noticed that the first image becomes more focused and clear. To the point I may really see a blank piece of paper inside my eyes.

Basically the trick is to think of multiple images at the same time without them overlapping each other. I think the more images the stronger the 1st one becomes, but this can strain the mind to some extent. The images I try are triangle, square and circle at the same time.

It happened with me too. First image became more focused in mind when I first attempted to do this meditation improperly.

I think this meditation seems to be a SOLID one to program subconscious mind. It seems like NLP but very advanced and highly effective.

I’d try to do experiments with this meditation in my own way as well.
Thank you brother for sharing this.

 

[Lotus666]

By going into a trance, imagine in your mind an object such as an apple, then imagine at the same time a lemon at the "back", or "below", your mind.

interesting. But I couldn’t properly understand what do you mean by “below” the mind location ? If you could elaborate it in little more details…
Thank you.

By below, I mean the "deeper parts" of your subconscious mind. You'll get the feel if you meditate quite a bit.

Btw, the above can also be done with the other senses of touch, sound, smell, taste and develop them at a faster rate.

Btw how can we use this for touch smell taste sense ? You mean astral touch… ? Could you give an example on how to use this meditation for these senses ,?

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

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There is a big difference between vision and imagination. Much of what you describe here are not literal visions of truth, but your imaginations on how you think these things to be based on the traits you recognize from the Gods, or based on anecdotes you have heard or read about them in other places.

The mind fills in the blanks here, and rather than true perception, your mind creates a likeness based on your belief rather than what is real.

You need to be mindful of that at all times, as even when you are advanced, much of the visions you can see during meditation are embellishments of your imagination. You must be able to differentiate between these and understand when the visions you see are embellished or entirely imaginative, versus the real and direct sights shown by the Gods in question.

The latter is very rare and very difficult. Seeing the Gods as they are, is not something trivial.

 

[Hayabusa]

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There is a big difference between vision and imagination. Much of what you describe here are not literal visions of truth, but your imaginations on how you think these things to be based on the traits you recognize from the Gods, or based on anecdotes you have heard or read about them in other places.

The mind fills in the blanks here, and rather than true perception, your mind creates a likeness based on your belief rather than what is real.

You need to be mindful of that at all times, as even when you are advanced, much of the visions you can see during meditation are embellishments of your imagination. You must be able to differentiate between these and understand when the visions you see are embellished or entirely imaginative, versus the real and direct sights shown by the Gods in question.

The latter is very rare and very difficult. Seeing the Gods as they are, is not something trivial.

How can we improve ourselves in this direction? I'm not just talking about the third eye, I'm talking about our ability to visualize.

 

[Shakra]

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There is a big difference between vision and imagination. Much of what you describe here are not literal visions of truth, but your imaginations on how you think these things to be based on the traits you recognize from the Gods, or based on anecdotes you have heard or read about them in other places.

There is a good chance that this would very much be the case, but most of what I describe here is like the situation of passing by someone while out on a stroll, might give a greeting, and be on with your day only to realize later on when you get home that you just met a celebrity. Like an oh damn moment sort of thing.

I'm not even sure if the vision of Bastet was actually her or Cleopatra, but I don't think Cleopatra attained godhood so that's why I came to that conclusion. But I was thinking of her too at the time. But when the vision of Bastet appeared my mind was actually fixated on something else, like a relative had angered me to an extent and all I thought was wishing to beat them to a bloody pulp, I guess that kind of influenced the impression her face when the vision happened.

Also, I'm actually very shy in regards to meeting people of higher authority and so suddenly, subconsciously I would not prefer. But it's a most intriguing sight to see, something you don't forget. Though from the experiences so far, I feel I may not be ready to even approach the gods being the state that I'm in right now.

It's not like I'm just day dreaming and willing myself to see this, sometimes I'm thinking of something, or my mind is just in blank state and it appears so suddenly. However, the vision with Astarte was the only time where I was actually in a meditative state and focusing my mind upon her to invoke her energy. The vision came unexpectedly.

Most depictions of Bastet are her with a cats head, I have no clue what she could have looked like underneath that, it could be something else for all I know. The next days after though, for a short while, I started hearing meowing noises that seamed to come from no where. It happened right after waking from bed.

I also imagined the supposed inhabitants to look a lot different than what I had thought. Ingo Swann described them as looking exactly like us, so I figured they're wearing some regular clothes like a t-shirt or something and hairstyles just like the rest of us. No, I saw a man wearing some kind of suit that I'm not very familiar with.

I'm certainly no adept at this either, though I feel I'm getting a bit closer to having some degree of control over whatever this phenomena is, whether remote viewing or lucid dreaming(while awake?). There are many other experiences which I have no explanation for.

But yes, it's important to embrace critical thinking and to be careful to be not stuck in a dream or fallacious mentality. We all pool our thoughts and experiences to live and learn.