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Erratic Behaviors With Outsiders: Stop Making Justifications

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos9 min to read

Over the years I have noticed a recurring phenomenon. Albeit there are tons of writings here about how one should live their life, not cause problems to others, and not transfer their own issues and project them over to this religion [or anything else they believe in] this keeps recurring for some people. Thankfully less than 1-2% of people fall in this category and as with here, they exist in every philosophy or approach to life. But we have to address this issue to be direct about it.

The tone of the post might be a little offensive but you have to hear me out as if you put your own life and self into danger, this is not the result of the Gods, Zevism or anyone else, but life mishandling. Read on.

Examples: One doesn't want to make friends, is anti-social, or they hate humanity or themselves. They will use whatever as justification to base this on and become a basement dwelling "witch" that sits in a basement and expects the world to fall on their lap, living in total delusions. The witch knows and everyone else is a fool are part of this; this is observable highly in antisocial and "proud outcast" communities such as the "Left Hand Path". This is where people become clowns in order to appease a need for "individuality" or in general for self expression reasons [sometimes it's legitimate, and in my book, accepted]. But we are not talking about my book here we are talking about yours neither, let's talk a bit about society and how they in fact observe these things.

In the context of the Temple of Zeus, there is little to no credence to this example, but one will form one based on whatever they can find to do just that. You don't have to dress a certain way; the ethics are clearly arrayed, the Gods want you to be yourself but also part of a society.

Consequence of not minding the above: Either life gets damaged, or in extreme cases Life is ruined. Further consequence: Because one cannot accept this was their decision, they blame "this place", "their beliefs" and their "nature".

This result would be the case even if one was let's say a Christian or whatever else. They would cherry pick what fits and as Christians run for the mountains, they would justify this and move on with what they wanted to do anyway. Christians who take the lack of societal awareness too far, thankfully, have shown the world how retarded and criminal they can be.

It's important in life for everyone to recognize their own decisions. My first years in this path were years of major solitude; even family friction etc. Nobody told me from this place to do this, it was my own situation that was borne out of my own clashes. Yet in order to "justify" my position I turned these tendencies of mine into a banner that I was trying to convince myself had to do with my faith. It did not.

It was a series of my own unresolved issues at the time; since our faith supported me, I was trying to forcibly interpret everything from this. Yes, the Christianity can make people dumb, intolerant, fearful and they can have false images of projection; any deviation is seen as being a being of evil and how do people respond to evil? They try to exorcise it. Soon in my mind I was taking this as "persecution" for my beliefs, yet over time I recognized my beliefs were actually seemingly seen as a threat by others around me. That wasn't good and it was my mistake; nor of my beliefs, nor of anyone else around me. An example of this later.

Example: Your mother or father is a Christian and you have a ruined relation with them or there is a mismatch. Be it that you want to parade or look smart, or you never went out of your house, you add to this already dysfunctional relation something else as well: That they are Christians. Yes, they might be. Yes, that might affect them. But one does not have reasons to start further problems. In fact, with Zevism you can correct problems - both ways to positive and restraining magick does exist to that end. The net benefit here would be to correct this situation.

There are also cases of people who do things that alert others. No, not everyone in this world or your roommates or whatever is going to consider it "normal" that you meditate, or that you do Tarot spreads. This path carries this situation where you can easily be misunderstood. If you go into a "Fuck them all and who cares" attitude, you will harm your relations with other people. It's important to keep private and stop bullying others to "accept you" or to "get along with it", especially if you are in vulnerable positions.

Certain behaviors that can be the results of this path, can also look erratic to other people. Ten years ago I was meditating and I had a blast of energy that kept me awake for two days straight; a full 48 hours. When people in my life saw this, they thought I might have been using drugs; I of course was not. What is there to explain in this? Nothing. They were convinced I was using some sort of drug or that I was suffering from a form of illness. I was naive enough to admit I was awake for 48 hours.

The results? Two whole months of them thinking I was using substances when I was not. Daily questions, harassment, worries, tears and stress for everyone. This reached all the way where I had to go make a test, to prove I was substance free. I was abnormal, and this abnormality scared them. Abnormal in their book, that is. Then after this they said it has to be insomnia or something else. This was both disqualified. It took a while for the hype to calm down. Then I managed the next time this occurred to not talk about this topic again. Problem solved.

How do you convince them this could be something good? Get in their shoes. There is nothing of this path they know. The need to convince, to show off, or to be validated by them will always fail. One must therefore understand what privacy and secrecy mean in that context; and to put your personal and life safety first.

Where do you think you are going as an arrogant teenager that hasn't figured how to tie their own shoelaces, going against let's say 2000 years of solid indoctrination and misinformation about "Religion"? To your parents you are a child and you know nothing; even if you know a hundred times more things, that's just how they see you and this can rarely change. Forcing it through and marking your own path, will likely not come with the accepted obedience of your parents, but likely with a giant clash.

Yes, they might lack education, have no idea, it's unfair, maybe unjust and a lack of acceptance. I know. But it's not about me but about life itself here. Let's pick another example: After one learns about spirituality, they start meditating, being more introspective, or they might have visual changes; more calmness, even a positive personality change. This can be interpreted good or bad, depending on how you position yourself.

If suddenly you refuse to talk to everyone, you spend 2-3 years in your room locked in there, how do you think others see this? Either as mental illness or that something is really off with you. They won't rationalize you are growing spiritually [and if you do, you shouldn't be in your room, but I get it that some of you are not that social and/or go through some phases].

Family matters must be handled delicately and with acceptable explanations. You should not pick fights over faith with your family. If there are fights or issues, keep religion out of it. Yes, it's a stumbling block to their development, but you being right about this matters little to none where the arguments might occur. Some people won't see sense and one has to learn to navigate life over this and accept that fact that they might never see any sense or want to evolve. That's good for you as you have less weight to carry. Defuse the tension and move on. Banish the need for "validation" and accept the goodness of people as it is. Position yourself to receive goodness and stop spreading disarray and pointless fights.

Learn about your backyard first and stop preaching to others and to your family most of all, especially if NOT receptive at all, about things that you also hardly comprehend. The need to save them or help them has to be restrained over the laws of life itself. Go against these laws and be prepared to hurt. Follow them and one day maybe things will be different.

Yes, I get the whole idea of "being someone different" and how strong this urge can be to want to express itself. Maybe if you live in London you can walk around wearing Pentacles and all and you could be relatively free. Relatively meaning that you might or might not fall under the wrong eyes. In other places, this "being someone different", no matter what you know, can even lead to death, anger, or family collapse. Instantly. Protect your privacy. Your faith is your business and stop not measuring up the living field around you.

Real individuality in this path is forged in the shadows when you learn, do the work for the Gods, do great acts and essentially understand the terrain where you are in. These are crucial. Theatricality is not crucial nor necessary. It can do more harm than good. Focus on building a stable life and a steadier existence, so you can express yourself as you should. This is the key to success.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#21

I showed the toz, at the time jos to two of my friends, initially both were excited with it, but in time one of them revolted against it and the other Im not to sure, but I know for a fact the other has made zero progress. Its like these people are playing with their lives.

#22

I showed the toz, at the time jos to two of my friends, initially both were excited with it, but in time one of them revolted against it and the other Im not to sure, but I know for a fact the other has made zero progress. Its like these people are playing with their lives.

Not all souls are even nowhere ready for Zevism. Be very careful. My country is generally safe in this regard, but there are places on earth one can get killed for even mentioning the Ancient Gods. 🙏

#23

It's kind of like sharing good music or a clip from a videogame you like, when it turns out the other person doesn't like it or even hates it, it gets ruined for you and makes you wish you gatekept and never brought it up. I don't want anyone knowing I carry this holy secret being here and having them be a pest to me either physically or in my mind if they don't like this sacred temple.

#24

In a world of conformity, it is normal to want to stand out, especially when we are Zevists. But instead of adopting a confrontational attitude, we must learn to stand out in a more subtle way.

Become rich thanks to our money spells, grow your soul and become more powerful, and you will stand out from the crowd.

For those who worry about their loved ones, keep in mind that when you grow and become more powerful, you have more leverage around you.

Thank you High Priest.

#25

This sermon is beyond amazing.

I have dealt with people who, with the "excuse" of spirituality, have isolated and distanced themselves, from me and from everyone.
I wish more people actually understood that having an active spiritual life *does not mean* isolating themselves and pushing away anyone who does not share their thoughts/have their same way of living life.
We still live in a society and man is by nature a social animal. We are not meant to be alone. If everyone had this mindset, great civilizations would probably never have formed and we wouldn't even be here.

Ευχαριστώ, High Priest. 🤍

Homer (8th century BCE) – Iliad (Book 8, 18-27)

"For Zeus is mightier than all Gods and men. He holds the balance of fate in his hands, and no one can escape his will."

-γνῶθι σεαυτόν.

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#26

You described me perfectly when I first dedicated almost 15 years ago. From 2012 to 2016ish I went thru all this. Although the first and second incidents was the worst as I got kicked out a house for similar things you mentioned and then the second title I had to outrun several fat and malnourished gangbangers after partying with them because I ran my mouth too much. I just had dedicated and felt untouchable.

From there I took it out on my family for a while until I slowly relaxed and eventually came to feel embarrassment and regret for admitting and revealing way too much to them about this path and how backwards their way of life is. (3rd world mentality. Not the worst of them but this level is still disconnected from more "civilized" minds). It was my own fault for whatever was thrown in my face during an argument like using the Satanist title as a way to discredit my points even if I will spend half an hour explaining myself. Doesn't matter. To them I let "evil" in and now they have to "keep an eye" on me.

The past 3-4 years I have felt healed enough to finally put myself out there in society. It took time to get used to it but with the philosophy here and from those of the past, I have been able to get thru it in a Zevist manner.

I can honestly say that now, after years of isolation after dedicating and healing myself from toxic traits and mindsets I do feel way more comfortable interacting with random people on the street. To the point I find things about myself that I like that I never knew about before.

Lastly, it is necessary for you to say this bluntly and for those that are not in this category any more or no where as bad they can still use your words to see if we somehow do this to others and maybe we havent noticed it yet because it's on a smaller scale. Nevertheless, and as always, we meditate on your words and make sure we honestly ask ourselves where do your words fit in the most in our individual lives. From there we'll have a higher perspective and more able to change for the better.

"In the darkness we have found strength, with which we will reach the highest light." - High Priest Zevios Metathronos

Hail Zeus

Hail Ninurta

Yoga for Men by High Priestess Lydia Coventina https://ancient-forums.com/threads/yoga-for-men.307901/

#27

Good that I stopped going on pointless revenge quests on people long ago now, the only people that are in my list are those that left me with bruises and marks in a restroom, right after beating me senselessly over topping them in class, plus a bitch got them to do it.

That's the past now, I'm now a man who's part of many friend groups, even if some of my friends are insane by nature(those poor souls consume really grosteque media), they are really intelligent people who are better than me in other fields of industry(We could become an unstoppable team if earth becomes a fallout scenario LOL). Heck, I can even coexist with friends from the military who knew how to teach me real ways to defend myself in case the extreme cases happen to me like home invasion or some really crazy people are holding my family hostage.

They even gave me books about resolving anger issues, their methods may not have worked but I saw similarities with the somatic meditation in one book.

It's best to take advantage of the outsider friends you have instead of scare them off, so it makes it even harder for people to see you as abnormal.

#28

Good that I stopped going on pointless revenge quests on people long ago now, the only people that are in my list are those that left me with bruises and marks in a restroom, right after beating me senselessly over topping them in class, plus a bitch got them to do it.

That's the past now, I'm now a man who's part of many friend groups, even if some of my friends are insane by nature(those poor souls consume really grosteque media), they are really intelligent people who are better than me in other fields of industry(We could become an unstoppable team if earth becomes a fallout scenario LOL). Heck, I can even coexist with friends from the military who knew how to teach me real ways to defend myself in case the extreme cases happen to me like home invasion or some really crazy people are holding my family hostage.

They even gave me books about resolving anger issues, their methods may not have worked but I saw similarities with the somatic meditation in one book.

But if people become too unbearable like they did a crime or are trying to ruin my life despite telling them what they are doing, I'm never afraid to cut them off.

#29

Thank you, High Priest.

I've been a "loner" for a lot of my life. But, for some reason, as of recent I feel that I am finally beginning to blossom socially and come out of my shell. Be it due to karmic/life lessons being learned, transits, Blessings from the Gods, or perhaps, a combination of these.

Although, I am somewhat mindful that I need to be careful with what I share publicly. Perhaps if a good friend can be trusted, and is understanding and open-minded, it's fine (so long as they don't go babbling off to others about it). I don't know.

Wish you the best. I am also in the process of identifying and attracting positive people in my life

#30

When I found the Jos I was almost about to lose my mind. I grew up with anxiety, very disturbed always. Still things are not good, I wonder why some shameful things had to happen to me. It hurts me to know that I would have been a very successful person yet here I am stuck. Am really really hurt, angry, why me? Why did misfortunes come to me? I would have done better, I would be have made a positive impact.

#31

When I found the Jos I was almost about to lose my mind. I grew up with anxiety, very disturbed always. Still things are not good, I wonder why some shameful things had to happen to me. It hurts me to know that I would have been a very successful person yet here I am stuck. Am really really hurt, angry, why me? Why did misfortunes come to me? I would have done better, I would be have made a positive impact.

You can still have a positive impact, starting with yourself. The tools are all available for us to grow and evolve, even out of dire situations.

#32

Dang... these articles always come out at the perfect time!

I've come to realise it's just best to be tolerant and patient knowing all of these issues will be gone in 100 years, but for now I must control my tongue.

I tell myself it is a test of discipline. A man who cannot control even his own tongue surely cannot control anything in life, else is indicating a lack of prudence/strategic sense.

#33

Over the years I have noticed a recurring phenomenon. Albeit there are tons of writings here about how one should live their life, not cause problems to others, and not transfer their own issues and project them over to this religion [or anything else they believe in] this keeps recurring for some people. Thankfully less than 1-2% of people fall in this category and as with here, they exist in every philosophy or approach to life. But we have to address this issue to be direct about it.

The tone of the post might be a little offensive but you have to hear me out as if you put your own life and self into danger, this is not the result of the Gods, Zevism or anyone else, but life mishandling. Read on.

Examples: One doesn't want to make friends, is anti-social, or they hate humanity or themselves. They will use whatever as justification to base this on and become a basement dwelling "witch" that sits in a basement and expects the world to fall on their lap, living in total delusions. The witch knows and everyone else is a fool are part of this; this is observable highly in antisocial and "proud outcast" communities such as the "Left Hand Path". This is where people become clowns in order to appease a need for "individuality" or in general for self expression reasons [sometimes it's legitimate, and in my book, accepted]. But we are not talking about my book here we are talking about yours neither, let's talk a bit about society and how they in fact observe these things.

#34

That being said, there are members who told someone about the ToZ and that person immediately accepted it and also joined. Those members are fortunate. We have members here who introduced their parents, siblings, girlfriend/boyfriend, or best friend and they joined. And we have members who tried that and it ended in catastrophe.

I've never tried it directly, but when your relatives have known for years that you meditate and vibrate mantras and show no interest in knowing more about your practices, it's enough to know that they are not destined to join.

#35

Over the years I have noticed a recurring phenomenon. Albeit there are tons of writings here about how one should live their life, not cause problems to others, and not transfer their own issues and project them over to this religion [or anything else they believe in] this keeps recurring for some people. Thankfully less than 1-2% of people fall in this category and as with here, they exist in every philosophy or approach to life. But we have to address this issue to be direct about it.

The tone of the post might be a little offensive but you have to hear me out as if you put your own life and self into danger, this is not the result of the Gods, Zevism or anyone else, but life mishandling. Read on.

Examples: One doesn't want to make friends, is anti-social, or they hate humanity or themselves. They will use whatever as justification to base this on and become a basement dwelling "witch" that sits in a basement and expects the world to fall on their lap, living in total delusions. The witch knows and everyone else is a fool are part of this; this is observable highly in antisocial and "proud outcast" communities such as the "Left Hand Path". This is where people become clowns in order to appease a need for "individuality" or in general for self expression reasons [sometimes it's legitimate, and in my book, accepted]. But we are not talking about my book here we are talking about yours neither, let's talk a bit about society and how they in fact observe these things.

#36

One doesn't want to make friends, is anti-social, or they hate humanity or themselves. They will use whatever as justification to base this on and become a basement dwelling "witch" that sits in a basement and expects the world to fall on their lap, living in total delusions. The witch knows and everyone else is a fool are part of this; this is observable highly in antisocial and "proud outcast" communities such as the "Left Hand Path". This is where people become clowns in order to appease a need for "individuality" or in general for self expression reasons

Well, in defense of being anti-social, I can argue that humanity in general is degenerating, societies becoming each time more dysfunctional, and that everybody is arguably a mean of the 5 people they are in most contact with. This increases the need to get closer to the Gods and meditate to (try to) offset this. I don't think the Gods want us to mix with worthless people (which are plentiful, unfortunately) that don't lead us to our purposes in life. Unless there is a magical work to attract like-minded people, and depending on your personality, career choices, and places of living, being "anti-social" might be the only way to survive without stopping being yourself.

Another thing is that HPS Pythia has always referred to JoS (ToZ) as part of the "Left Hand Path". I don't understand why you keep putting this term in a negative tone in your sermons. Would you mind clarifying?

#37
Absolute-Khanesaid:post: 1165225

How is possible, that random people quote you and called others mad, who got banned because of what?
Even if their knowledge wasn't strictly in cannon but IT HAVE own purpose, why all got banned?

All people even new are punished to got banned? Because they can have their own effort discipline in Tarot, Meditations...?

If someone was banned, especially permanently, it was for a good reason, which itself was usually provided in the ban notice. It was not for a small reason like "following their own way", or based on post count.

Although people can and do have their own specific strengths, the practice of the occult has been rife with disinformation and disaster before the work of the Clergy. This may explain why a strict stance was taken, especially as ToZ already provides many or all of the necessary tools for advancement.

That being said, if there was a misunderstanding, or the banned person wishes to integrate more with ToZ, then a resolution can be found.

#38

If someone was banned, especially permanently, it was for a good reason, which itself was usually provided in the ban notice. It was not for a small reason like "following their own way", or based on post count.

Although people can and do have their own specific strengths, the practice of the occult has been rife with disinformation and disaster before the work of the Clergy. This may explain why a strict stance was taken, especially as ToZ already provides many or all of the necessary tools for advancement.

That being said, if there was a misunderstanding, or the banned person wishes to integrate more with ToZ, then a resolution can be found.

This is the same person whose private message I reported recently, and I believe you banned them. I see no repenting on their end as they continue their duel insanity in the post below you quoted.

#39

Thank you.

Hail Zeus!

Hail Halpas!

Hail Malphas!

#41

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus, The Matrix