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Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos3 min to read

After the recent post and the overwhelming positive and necessary points about future goals and advancement. That has been an impressive post.

I marvelled reading the many positive comments, especially those who mentioned how much Spiritual Satanism and the Gods have changed you and improved you. We must build further on this.

Most of the things mentioned are already under way. Admittedly that is very positive. The communal value is supposed to increase all the time.

Part of this is dealing with potential mistakes.

Now, it would also be a good idea before the end of the material year, to start another conversation.

This would be over things where you think there should be improvement or constitute mistakes.

Here, we might speak of mistakes or even criticism, but we must focus on this: It has to be functional and of use, and presented properly.

For useful conversation, even if this is aimed at other members or the community, it would be a good idea to express in a respectable manner. Among kin and like minded people with a common mission that is important.

If someone also has negative feedback or even very negative comments, I am open to listen to these of course, but I would request to treat other JoS members with respect, especially people who toil for everyone else everyday.

That is not a question for infiltrators, but for members. Except if maybe you are lukewarm infiltrators who are actually with us but you still say bullshit to yourself that you dislike "us" while you actually do not fall in this category in the end of the day.

That is not a post to isolate a member and start judging them, but rather for community improvement.

The degree of tolerance for error must be understood as being part of nature. We are disgnosing to raise the bar here, not to break people who already want to give.

Further, if one is new or one has not much to point out, then maybe one could write about how they would expect to have a better experience. Or what made you struggle in learning or something similar.

Recognition of errors must happen on a basis of experience. But all opinions welcome.

Example: There has been a lot of editorial errors in many posts or even webpages. There were mistakes. We located them and fixed them. The outcome is that through pointing these mistakes and doing the proper criticism, then putting the work, the errors are being more and more fixed. The aim is to remove these mistakes.

The aim is this: To find out potential areas of improvement and have an upwards going trajectory for the good of the Gods and the JoS community, to reflect this back on members, for our collective growth.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#42
Ol argedco luciftiassaid:
blueFlame666said:

First it is a huge mistake to develop the whole science of astrology and again give knowledge to the enemy.

The enemy already knows all of this information, and much more. Every action that they have done for the last hundreds of years have been done on specific days and times for astrological effect.

yes right, thank you, they know to a point, and by stolen astrological knowledge they got to this day,
but there is no need for these psychopaths to learn anything beyond that :lol:

#43
Ol argedco luciftiassaid:
Masterj810610said:

1. Is it possible to have a french section in the forum, section in which we would translate your sermon and other important thread. I think it would help people that are not really good for understanding english (I know that we can translate with google translate, but sometimes the translation is a little bit off the track)

2. On the french version of the JOS website, there is no search bar and we have to go on the english version. If we want to introduce new people to JOS with the french site, they wont be able to search for an information without going through the whole website to maybe find the exact page containing the exact link for what they are looking for.

Thx

Great idea. :D

I finnaly manage to make a comment about a french section and the announcement is made minutes after I post... The timing is really amazing

#44
mercury_wisdomsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

I second this

#45

A more guided approach for new members, as in advice about what meditation to do next, how much to practice it, when is one apt to switch to another one, how does one know they've done it correctly, variations in intensity etc, branching to more advanced meditations, and suggestions of meditation routines. I know someone should be able to figure these on the way, but in the beginning it can be very discouraging, not knowing what to do, and it can halt progress.

I don't want to put pressure on Clergy's shoulders, and I understand as I'm not an English native myself, but it would help in future library projects if Sermons/pages would be devoid of typos or grammatical errors, since the editing part would be much lighter and we'd only have to format it, which is pretty fast for a readied document. We'd be much more efficient in updating our library.

#46

One thing can be astrology, there are only methods to interpret planets in signs or aspects to people.

It would be nice to have them for other things too, like business, sports, warfare, and more.

#47

I'd just like to see some steps towards being more active in the physical and maybe revive the old Youtube channel to give instructional videos also as some have said here already the beginners guide to JOS is non existent i was lucky when i started i was very young (14) and i had lots of spare time to read the absolute shite out of the site I'm also considerably much older of a soul so i was able to pretty much reach out to the gods no meditation or candles required and say like so where should i start and Thoth was like yeah bro so you want to be doing... and the guy made a very long comprehensive list for me that i was able to make but unfortunately not everyone can do this with our gods so maybe write a section up for that like obviously some people will smash through things very easily and others will struggle.

like my telegram group some of the members there struggle to turn their chakras and i was like well i nailed that instantly with extremely low effort required i then told this particular member told him what i visualized and the way that especially for the sixth charkra that i envisioned silver lightening coming down from above and how i saw my chakras as pyramids rigged into a plane engine turbine and force fed them with massive amounts of white light/gold energy lasers and silver energy bolts and that didnt just break through my sixth Chakra that got them all turning very very quickly so i think that the 40 day program might want to have it broken down a lot more like your 1st year as a satanist what to focus on doing a bit of basic goal setting etc etc i think this would tie back into the YouTube channel really well where people can watch this being demonstrated or perhaps they aren't very good at reading or i don't know what you call it but you know how there is different types of learning perhaps you are more of a visual learner and less of a bookworm and so you take instruction best from visual and audio learning.

I do not have any personal criticisms of the JOS or JOS guardians I did a few years back but you guys have really matured over time and get straight to the point on a lot of matters without too much rambling or though ranting is healthy for you to get out i didn't really need to know about your political views or whatever is not going your way right now i just kind of wanted this question answered you now have a much more professional and insightful approach to most things even when some of those things are the biggest eye roll moments and questions one could possibly manifest.

I think that the internet Battalion was a pretty good idea i dont know if thats still a thing but would be cool also to have it email listed so you know make an account on X then we get together in mass and just promote the crap out of JOS or bomb chat rooms and sites and have us actually operate in teams to make it seem like the JOS is the best you know like how have you not heard about this great movement that is JOS and have some of us be casually like yeah i checked that out that was great you know make a compelling case for the person to go check it out use some of that "herd" mentality psychological techniques to get people to buy into the idea of it.

i would like to do and achieve a lot more but i know begrudgingly that right now is not the time. But its so close but now i can taste the satanic future pouring into this world even as i type this now i can see it and i can see it easily the kingdom rises before i would have to try so hard to see it but now i can see it easily as easily as one would throw around the thought of what they are going to eat next on the dinner plate.

"None of you know me here but you will"

#48

I did not post previously how the JoS helped me, to avoid being too personal.
In a few words, JoS helped me to understand the value of community, that I always had in my planets, but was buried under self-importance and ego issues.

How can we improve ?
Starting from ourselves. I found I was too much prone to quick and harsh reactions to any criticism, the root of this was inside me. This comes from childhood, false expectations from relatives, hang-ups etc. This ingrained into a part of my mind - I won't goo deeper as it may be different from everyone.
This anyway helped me to defend myself, so I don't mean we should become a group of sweetened ballerinas, or so.
My suggestion, criticize ourselves before, for a second before posting out loud.
I write few words here from time to time but I read more.

#49
Manofsatansaid:

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Manofsatansaid:

Now will really be a great time to read about valeferon

Yes, pretty soon. His page will be magnificent.

Thank you HP Zevios, this the second time you have acknowledged my desire and you are right. As much as I enjoy the knowledge and life I apply in Satan's Name which you have given, I also now have recently desired to be useful in this family, I put my mind to find ways to be of good contribution to this home, this is my desire as I feel I have come of age since I joined.
Thank you HP HC, I'm full of gratitude, JOS has saved my life, empowered me and given me great Joy for future. I believe you when you say the future is bright ahead (to me that entails my growth on all areas and my usefulness here).
Thank you! If I knew you , I would devot and undying followership to you as even now.
My dream is to operate on the highest level of divinity on this Earth, just like the story of Apollonius you told us about, it's been how I wish from childhood that people will encounter divinity through me,( that's y I do the God power rituals every day; "our Queen Astarte, Father Beelzebul , Azazel which I recently replace with Lord valefor).
Well, I'll walk the road and not talk. Thank you HP HC, I love you for all your sacrifice, if you and HP Pythia weren't here, I'll be a yearning soul that longs for home but can't find, that will be the saddest thing and very frustrating knowing strongly that the Truth abounds but can't reach it... I'm truly grateful, it's like JOS happened for me.

HAIL ZEUS
HAIL ALL THE Gods of Elysium .
HAIL THE Zevios FOR HIS SACRIFICE
HAIL Pythia FOR HER INNOVATION AND SACRIFICE
HAIL OR MY BROTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING e.g Blitzkrieg, Lydia, soaringeagle, Egon etc..
HAIL All my brothers and sisters who like me haven't contributed a dime, for we will wake up to our home soon and put efforts for we are JOS
HAIL THE JOY OF THE JOY OF SATAN.

I LOVE YOU ALL.

HAIL ZEUS ♾️
HP ZEVIOS IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! GREAT TEACHER WITH BIGGEST HEART FOR THIS FAMILY!
HAIL ZEUS!

#50

Ahh i have one suggestion that could help improve the JOS astro site, if possible. When one attempts to enter the city of birth the options to choose from are not specific enough and generic. For example, You type in your city and press search and one or two options come up along with the country. One of the only two options that shows up with mine shows as follows (name of my city, Chicago, USA) These options we can choose from as far as locations just seem too general and generic when it should be as accurate as possible.

USA is correct but Chicago is entirely in the north of the states and on a different timezone. Besides, there are other cities with this very same name in different states and time zones, and this counts for other cities as well. It seems to also explain why the degrees differ by one or half at least compared to astro.com. (if still seen as fairly accurate) Just a thought. Maybe it would be better to be able to choose city AND state from a dropdown menu?

#51
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

It's been raised before by more of us that it might be a good idea to create 2 categories inside the main Joy of Satan 666 forum, one for spiritual matters and one for non-spirtitual matters. This has the obvious advantage of categorization of the content and then the two separate categories will hold new posts on the their first page for longer time, therefore most likely getting more views and exposure as there might be many members that login after such posts are already on the second page and many might not be checking there. There are probably many threads being opened daily so this will likely help. Also if this is considered, all existing threads from the main forum would also have to be moved inside those categories depending on where they fit.

For any Inquiries on Translations matters please message me on the Forums or Vultus Templorum or email me at [email protected]

#52
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
AristocraticDragon666said:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

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-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

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1. Create a weekly blog, a topic where every beginner or advanced can ask the HP Zevios Metathronos or guardians questions and get answers (for starters, as part of the experiment).
2. If there are many questions, then for example it will be possible to introduce a restriction: No more than 1-3 questions. For example, if the problem is that it is not possible to answer all the questions due to the number of questions coming in, or if they get lost in a lot of messages.

I ask you to forgive me, if I am insolent and breaking the chain of command.

You are not breaking anything, because you are expressing a problem that requires to be addressed and we are here to address this and help other newer members and also improve ourselves. Also you wrote very constructive feedback.

If someone can accumulate these questions, I can actually answer them. They have to be in a category. Or somehow like this. Then every so often I can answer these en masse.

I am very pleased to hear that. Thank you very much, in the coming weeks I will prepare a list of questions and publish. I understand you, my time constrained too. After a working day, I cannot spend my free time on everything I want to do, I have to sacrifice something and choose what to do.

«You will find on the left of the halls of Hades a spring, and standing by it a white cypress. Do not approach this spring at all. You will find another, from the Lake of Memory, with cold water flowing from it. Guardians stand before it. Say: 'I am a child of Earth and starry Heaven, but my race is of Heaven alone. You know this yourselves. I am parched with thirst and am perishing. Give me quickly the cold water flowing from the Lake of Memory.' And they will give you to drink from the sacred spring, and after that you will reign among the other heroes» - From the Petelia Tablet (300-200 BCE)

#53
Ol argedco luciftiassaid:
AristocraticDragon666said:

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You can ask any question in this topic and we will try to answer you.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15534

Thank you, in the coming weeks I will prepare a list of questions and publish in this topic.

«You will find on the left of the halls of Hades a spring, and standing by it a white cypress. Do not approach this spring at all. You will find another, from the Lake of Memory, with cold water flowing from it. Guardians stand before it. Say: 'I am a child of Earth and starry Heaven, but my race is of Heaven alone. You know this yourselves. I am parched with thirst and am perishing. Give me quickly the cold water flowing from the Lake of Memory.' And they will give you to drink from the sacred spring, and after that you will reign among the other heroes» - From the Petelia Tablet (300-200 BCE)

#54
Shadowcatsaid:

Ahh i have one suggestion that could help improve the JOS astro site, if possible. When one attempts to enter the city of birth the options to choose from are not specific enough and generic. For example, You type in your city and press search and one or two options come up along with the country. One of the only two options that shows up with mine shows as follows (name of my city, Chicago, USA) These options we can choose from as far as locations just seem too general and generic when it should be as accurate as possible.

USA is correct but Chicago is entirely in the north of the states and on a different timezone. Besides, there are other cities with this very same name in different states and time zones, and this counts for other cities as well. It seems to also explain why the degrees differ by one or half at least compared to astro.com. (if still seen as fairly accurate) Just a thought. Maybe it would be better to be able to choose city AND state from a dropdown menu?

1. Suggestions can be quoted directly to Hidden Warrior who is responsible for the programming of that site.

https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=397055#p397055

2. Manual coordinates can be inserted. Find the coordinates of the location you have in mind and enter them in the manual coordinates fields.

#55
13th_Wolfsaid:
mercury_wisdomsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

I second this

The risk remains high that by creating forum after forum, then forums do not accumulate the necessary posting. If one sees too many forums, that doesn't mean one will participate. For many, it can create confusion.

The general forum can be seen as an open ancient forum of Rome. When you walk around, you must be aware you might hear things that you do not like or might make you feel like crap. As an advanced member, one must be able to handle this, and move on with helping anyway.

The placing of the forums has to do with replies and post time, when they were posted. This is what bumps posts up.

A real goal is always to make what is crap into something useful. Guardians tend to do this, even with replies on the seemingly creepy posts.

It's also not disallowed to just want to talk.

JoS used to have an "advanced meditators" section and so on. Creating 10 sections where people just wait and nobody does much into them is not going to improve anything.

I am also replying to Alchemist on this later in the replies where he has made a reasonable proposition.

AsraArdwulfLeberechtsaid:

A more guided approach for new members, as in advice about what meditation to do next, how much to practice it, when is one apt to switch to another one, how does one know they've done it correctly, variations in intensity etc, branching to more advanced meditations, and suggestions of meditation routines. I know someone should be able to figure these on the way, but in the beginning it can be very discouraging, not knowing what to do, and it can halt progress.

I don't want to put pressure on Clergy's shoulders, and I understand as I'm not an English native myself, but it would help in future library projects if Sermons/pages would be devoid of typos or grammatical errors, since the editing part would be much lighter and we'd only have to format it, which is pretty fast for a readied document. We'd be much more efficient in updating our library.

I understand what you mean here, yet the important aspect is that you must start developing and actively seeking after the Gods to this. They will lead you to clues and help, which might or might not arrive in the forums, or has been posted in the forums. But I get what you mean.

I agree on the need of guides for beginners, which some have existed in the past, or like the 40 day program. I think these should extent and should be made to cover for up to the first year.

jrvansaid:

Are you maybe able to program your mail inbox to categorize e-mails related to projects in a subfolder or subfolders? That way nothing pertaining to the JoS projects gets accidentally buried, and you can open the folders containing those messages at your leisure when you have time. Is that possible so that correspondence can be made simpler and more expedient? Or do the e-mail providers not allow for such customization?

Other than that, I really don't know what to complain about. :lol:

I actually have, and my mailbox is still a mess. I think I leave almost nothing unanswered. But I still have delay issues.

I am really trying to organize these, it's been mostly a success, still a long way to go with this.

Pillarsaid:

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How can we improve ?
Starting from ourselves. I found I was too much prone to quick and harsh reactions to any criticism, the root of this was inside me. This comes from childhood, false expectations from relatives, hang-ups etc. This ingrained into a part of my mind - I won't goo deeper as it may be different from everyone.
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Preach, preach. That's the important thing. I also want to show that criticism is not evil at all. It's necessary. That's why this post and the other post focus on expression and then the criticism.

The Alchemist7said:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

It's been raised before by more of us that it might be a good idea to create 2 categories inside the main Joy of Satan 666 forum, one for spiritual matters and one for non-spirtitual matters. This has the obvious advantage of categorization of the content and then the two separate categories will hold new posts on the their first page for longer time, therefore most likely getting more views and exposure as there might be many members that login after such posts are already on the second page and many might not be checking there. There are probably many threads being opened daily so this will likely help. Also if this is considered, all existing threads from the main forum would also have to be moved inside those categories depending on where they fit.

Ready to do this as requested, but the situation is, what many people cannot handle, is actually nothing else but ignorance or newcomers. Isolating them into a dead forum is a not question. Advanced brothers have to stomach this. HPS Pythia and the Gods have reiterated to me again and again, there are not fools or foolish questions.

I used to ask stupid things more than a decade ago. Some people answered. Not all times, but sometimes they did. It helped.

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

So far, the separation of spiritual questions and general conversation is the most sensible way of dividing things proposed.

Vira_said:

One thing can be astrology, there are only methods to interpret planets in signs or aspects to people.

It would be nice to have them for other things too, like business, sports, warfare, and more.

There is a whole branch of astrology for this, but I get what you mean. I could see this on the far future of astrology. For example, how to predict a National war.

sshivafrsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Manofsatansaid:

Now will really be a great time to read about valeferon

Yes, pretty soon. His page will be magnificent.

🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤 THANKS

I would like to do this type of project, categorization, it speaks to me. But with translation projects, I'm afraid I won't be able to honor my commitments, and I'd hate that, to promise and have it go unfulfilled.
However, I can participate if there is a team provided, just to be a backup. If you wish of course.

I can't wait for the Valefor page, thanks 😊😊

Never say never sister, just do your best. Maybe 6 months from now you will be looking at your own help and contributions and be like "wow, I have grown and helped immensely!".

#56
13th_Wolfsaid:
mercury_wisdomsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

I second this

Hey good to see you! I actually tried to sent you an email this past summer to include you in a collaboration of astrology articles Dahaarkan asked me to write. I figured you were pretty busy. Hope all is well! :)

#57
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

Indeed separating the main forum in the categories mentioned requires a bit of research: How many threads are being opened every day? How many are related to spirituality and how many are non-spiritual matters? If we would be able to research the number of threads opened daily in the last say couple months, a report can be created to model, predict and quantify the potential activity each sub-forum (spiritual and non-spiritual) might have if they are opened. This can help us figure out whether any of them will end up as dead forums because we would roughly know based on the past activity how many threads are likely to be opened daily.

I wanted to raise this given the opportunity provided by this thread but as you said before, if the activity increases so much in the future that one forum becomes unbearable to contain it, then something will need to be done and this is likely to be the easiest solution. We are not there yet, most likely. In my opinion the existing singular forum will be over-crowded and unable to contain the content when there will be so many threads opened in one day that many of them will end up on the second page within a few hours or something, which means that not many members would have had the chance or time to read them, depending on when they login. What needs to be added here is the number of older posts that members are replying to, and are brought on the top of the list. The goal I am proposing here is that new threads should be on the first page for as long as possible so as many members will have the chance to read them when they login, increasing the chances for the posters to get their questions answered more easily and by more people.

Another factor that needs considered here is whether the existing members will be active on both spiritual and non-spiritual forums and not just on one of them because as you said this might create a certain degree of isolation in one of the forums (probably the non-spiritual one). The whole idea can definitely be researched in detail and realistical predictions can be drawn from this.

For any Inquiries on Translations matters please message me on the Forums or Vultus Templorum or email me at [email protected]

#58
The Alchemist7said:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

Indeed separating the main forum in the categories mentioned requires a bit of research: How many threads are being opened every day? How many are related to spirituality and how many are non-spiritual matters? If we would be able to research the number of threads opened daily in the last say couple months, a report can be created to model, predict and quantify the potential activity each sub-forum (spiritual and non-spiritual) might have if they are opened. This can help us figure out whether any of them will end up as dead forums because we would roughly know based on the past activity how many threads are likely to be opened daily.

I wanted to raise this given the opportunity provided by this thread but as you said before, if the activity increases so much in the future that one forum becomes unbearable to contain it, then something will need to be done and this is likely to be the easiest solution. We are not there yet, most likely. In my opinion the existing singular forum will be over-crowded and unable to contain the content when there will be so many threads opened in one day that many of them will end up on the second page within a few hours or something, which means that not many members would have had the chance or time to read them, depending on when they login. What needs to be added here is the number of older posts that members are replying to, and are brought on the top of the list. The goal I am proposing here is that new threads should be on the first page for as long as possible so as many members will have the chance to read them when they login, increasing the chances for the posters to get their questions answered more easily and by more people.

I agree, that's why we didn't instantly go with this. I think further observation is needed.

#59
Henu the Greatsaid:

The forums are a mess.

We have several different subjects in one main category in the English section. I would imagine the situation is not much better in other communities. All the useful spiritual info and topics for guidance are next to less useful posts, outright blasphemy, usual trolling tirades, news articles, and so on and so forth. I believe there is an ongoing effort to gather all the useful material into one file. This would have been avoided if there was one section for spiritual info and counseling from the get-go or at least updated at some point, and other sections for news, off-topic, and so on.

I would welcome an initiative to reorganize topics. But first alternative sections would have to be created and perhaps other modifications made for this platform.

I think it would be beneficial as you mentioned if for new posts we could have categories like:

Infoposts, Political, News...
Questions

So we do not have the problem, if one wants to answer open questions they have to read through all the info posts etc.

Also that one only can search for the posts according to language. So one does not see other language posts then the ones one did mark.

"Human beings must become enlightened in order to find their way in the dark. Becoming enlightened means becoming smart travelers, who acquire knowledge of the way, an understanding of the local language and friendship with other travelers. We are all travelers in eternity." Thoth

#60

I am not the most active member at the moment, but I have witnessed the groups and then the forums in their evolution. I see, we are getting close to a change and a big development for the forums at now.
As the forum has accumulated years in terms of energies, I would suggest to change the forum colour and layout.
I have learned how the mind can stay stuck in behavioral patterns due to symbols you have in front of your eyes. Changing color and layout may trigger a different approach from members.
Just my 2 cents,

#61

One thing that came to mind while I was translating the Spiritual Warfare Training Program is there is no mention of timing your workings with the moon, most importantly the void of course moon. I see so many newcomers say they are doing such and such meditation, then ask the most obvious question(to us anyway) that is answered multiple times on the JoS website, and when you ask them if they have even read anything on the JoS aside from the flashy meditations, they say no.

I feel it is crucial especially in the training programs to have a mention of it at least and to stress it's importance, as these will likely be a Spiritual Satanist's first steps.