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Crisis of pessimism

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Amongst the general sphere of life, and more particular to the more philosophically/intellectual side of the total population, it seems we have drove ourselves into a nasty situation where no one has a good answer for Schopenhauer, and the pessimism that surrounds German Idealism. The general thought form stresses the cynical nature of men as being flesh automatons who's only prerogative is perpetuating life itself (Will) for it's own sake. It employs ancient ideas of the visible world as an illusion, or fake copy, of a noumenal world.

How is this be to be overcome? I this a philosophical framework that can only kill us, or is there an entirely other paradigm we can engage with?

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#1

I bought "The World as Will and Representation"
I hope I have a good experience.
I want to develop in myself the mind that is nihilistic but always at peace.
In fact, I think that general nihilism can be a liberation, a peace and a higher pragmatism.

Most people don't like it, they feel bad or get depressed. But for me, it's something very beautiful.
The problem is that people attribute meaning to "good", so when something is bad, they think it doesn't make sense. But that's not the truth.

Not to mention that I'm in a natural phase of nihilism and accepting the truth about all my faults. But also the observation of how the mind is programmed to act according to a pattern.

... εἰ δὲ νοεῖς, ἔστιν, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ϰαὶ σωμάτων ἀσώματα. — Ποῖα; ἔφη ὁ βασιλεύς. — Τὰ ἐν τοῖς ἐσόπτροις φαινόμενα σώματα οὐ δοϰεῖ σοι ἀσώματα εἶναι; — Οὕτως ἔχει, ὦ Τάτ· ϑείως νοεῖς, ὁ βασιλεὺς εἶπεν. — Ἔστι δὲ ϰαὶ ἀσώματα ἄλλα, οἷον αἱ ἰδέαι οὐ δοϰοῦσιν εἶναί σοι, ἀσώματοι οὖσαι, ἐν σώματι φαινόμεναι, οὐ μόνον τῶν ἐμψύχων ἀλλὰ ϰαὶ τῶν ἀψύχων; — Εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Τάτ. — Οὕτως ἀνταναϰλάσεις εἰσὶ τῶν ἀσωμάτων πρὸς τὰ σώματα, ϰαὶ τῶν σωμάτων πρὸς τὰ ἀσώματα, τουτέστι τοῦ αἰσϑητοῦ πρὸς τὸν νοητὸν ϰόσμον ϰαὶ τοῦ νοητοῦ πρὸς τὸν αἰσϑητόν· διὸ προσϰύνει τὰ ἀγάλματα, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ὡς ϰαὶ αὐτὰ ἰδέας ἔχοντα ἀπὸ τοῦ νοητοῦ ϰόσμου. ὁ οὖν βασιλεὺς ἐξαναστὰς ἔφη, Ὥρα ἐστίν, ὦ προφήτα, περὶ τὴν τῶν ξένων ἐπιμέλειαν γενέσϑαι· τῇ δὲ ἐπιούσῃ περὶ τῶν ἑξης ϑεολογήσομεν.

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#2

Over time I myself have felt what Schopenhauer said about the will.
The more I cleansed my soul, the clearer my mind became.
I gained a lot of self-knowledge about evil, ignorance, arrogance, pride and the desire for love, attention and well-being.
all stemming from my ego
It was only after realizing all this malice that wasn't expressed (I've always behaved decently) that I understood why people treated me badly without me ever having done anything wrong.
Only then did I start to develop my morals, ethics and correct thinking.

It's good that people don't receive anything in return for their kind acts, because that's where true compassion and kindness dwell; doing without receiving anything in return makes kindness an end, not a means.
I do it because I want to, regardless of the reasons. I want to believe that I won't be rewarded for good things, because that's the only way I'll be doing good for its own sake.

... εἰ δὲ νοεῖς, ἔστιν, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ϰαὶ σωμάτων ἀσώματα. — Ποῖα; ἔφη ὁ βασιλεύς. — Τὰ ἐν τοῖς ἐσόπτροις φαινόμενα σώματα οὐ δοϰεῖ σοι ἀσώματα εἶναι; — Οὕτως ἔχει, ὦ Τάτ· ϑείως νοεῖς, ὁ βασιλεὺς εἶπεν. — Ἔστι δὲ ϰαὶ ἀσώματα ἄλλα, οἷον αἱ ἰδέαι οὐ δοϰοῦσιν εἶναί σοι, ἀσώματοι οὖσαι, ἐν σώματι φαινόμεναι, οὐ μόνον τῶν ἐμψύχων ἀλλὰ ϰαὶ τῶν ἀψύχων; — Εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Τάτ. — Οὕτως ἀνταναϰλάσεις εἰσὶ τῶν ἀσωμάτων πρὸς τὰ σώματα, ϰαὶ τῶν σωμάτων πρὸς τὰ ἀσώματα, τουτέστι τοῦ αἰσϑητοῦ πρὸς τὸν νοητὸν ϰόσμον ϰαὶ τοῦ νοητοῦ πρὸς τὸν αἰσϑητόν· διὸ προσϰύνει τὰ ἀγάλματα, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ὡς ϰαὶ αὐτὰ ἰδέας ἔχοντα ἀπὸ τοῦ νοητοῦ ϰόσμου. ὁ οὖν βασιλεὺς ἐξαναστὰς ἔφη, Ὥρα ἐστίν, ὦ προφήτα, περὶ τὴν τῶν ξένων ἐπιμέλειαν γενέσϑαι· τῇ δὲ ἐπιούσῃ περὶ τῶν ἑξης ϑεολογήσομεν.

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#3

It's good that people don't receive anything in return for their kind acts, because that's where true compassion and kindness dwell; doing without receiving anything in return makes kindness an end, not a means.
I do it because I want to, regardless of the reasons. I want to believe that I won't be rewarded for good things, because that's the only way I'll be doing good for its own sake.

All this in the context of life after death.
But in general, it's only about me and my selfishness.
Everything I do is for myself and for the idealism of the icognoscenti.

... εἰ δὲ νοεῖς, ἔστιν, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ϰαὶ σωμάτων ἀσώματα. — Ποῖα; ἔφη ὁ βασιλεύς. — Τὰ ἐν τοῖς ἐσόπτροις φαινόμενα σώματα οὐ δοϰεῖ σοι ἀσώματα εἶναι; — Οὕτως ἔχει, ὦ Τάτ· ϑείως νοεῖς, ὁ βασιλεὺς εἶπεν. — Ἔστι δὲ ϰαὶ ἀσώματα ἄλλα, οἷον αἱ ἰδέαι οὐ δοϰοῦσιν εἶναί σοι, ἀσώματοι οὖσαι, ἐν σώματι φαινόμεναι, οὐ μόνον τῶν ἐμψύχων ἀλλὰ ϰαὶ τῶν ἀψύχων; — Εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Τάτ. — Οὕτως ἀνταναϰλάσεις εἰσὶ τῶν ἀσωμάτων πρὸς τὰ σώματα, ϰαὶ τῶν σωμάτων πρὸς τὰ ἀσώματα, τουτέστι τοῦ αἰσϑητοῦ πρὸς τὸν νοητὸν ϰόσμον ϰαὶ τοῦ νοητοῦ πρὸς τὸν αἰσϑητόν· διὸ προσϰύνει τὰ ἀγάλματα, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ὡς ϰαὶ αὐτὰ ἰδέας ἔχοντα ἀπὸ τοῦ νοητοῦ ϰόσμου. ὁ οὖν βασιλεὺς ἐξαναστὰς ἔφη, Ὥρα ἐστίν, ὦ προφήτα, περὶ τὴν τῶν ξένων ἐπιμέλειαν γενέσϑαι· τῇ δὲ ἐπιούσῃ περὶ τῶν ἑξης ϑεολογήσομεν.

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#4
This is the targeted message.

I bought "The World as Will and Representation"
I hope I have a good experience.
I want to develop in myself the mind that is nihilistic but always at peace.
In fact, I think that general nihilism can be a liberation, a peace and a higher pragmatism.

Most people don't like it, they feel bad or get depressed. But for me, it's something very beautiful.
The problem is that people attribute meaning to "good", so when something is bad, they think it doesn't make sense. But that's not the truth.

Not to mention that I'm in a natural phase of nihilism and accepting the truth about all my faults. But also the observation of how the mind is programmed to act according to a pattern.

Why do you find nihilism so positive?

The "acceptance" phase is definitely good, from that must then come an "action" phase where these shortcomings or flaws are resolved.

I was reminded of a very interesting old sermon, take a look here.

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#5

For me it's about the truths of life.
Because the world is pragmatic, the world is nihilistic.

All good meanings and senses are a way of dealing with society or with oneself.
My nihilism is positive, the nihilism of those who stand around crying wanting to believe in good things is bad.
My nihilism has nothing to do with decadence, only with the triumph of oneself and the tangible world.

... εἰ δὲ νοεῖς, ἔστιν, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ϰαὶ σωμάτων ἀσώματα. — Ποῖα; ἔφη ὁ βασιλεύς. — Τὰ ἐν τοῖς ἐσόπτροις φαινόμενα σώματα οὐ δοϰεῖ σοι ἀσώματα εἶναι; — Οὕτως ἔχει, ὦ Τάτ· ϑείως νοεῖς, ὁ βασιλεὺς εἶπεν. — Ἔστι δὲ ϰαὶ ἀσώματα ἄλλα, οἷον αἱ ἰδέαι οὐ δοϰοῦσιν εἶναί σοι, ἀσώματοι οὖσαι, ἐν σώματι φαινόμεναι, οὐ μόνον τῶν ἐμψύχων ἀλλὰ ϰαὶ τῶν ἀψύχων; — Εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Τάτ. — Οὕτως ἀνταναϰλάσεις εἰσὶ τῶν ἀσωμάτων πρὸς τὰ σώματα, ϰαὶ τῶν σωμάτων πρὸς τὰ ἀσώματα, τουτέστι τοῦ αἰσϑητοῦ πρὸς τὸν νοητὸν ϰόσμον ϰαὶ τοῦ νοητοῦ πρὸς τὸν αἰσϑητόν· διὸ προσϰύνει τὰ ἀγάλματα, ὦ βασιλεῦ, ὡς ϰαὶ αὐτὰ ἰδέας ἔχοντα ἀπὸ τοῦ νοητοῦ ϰόσμου. ὁ οὖν βασιλεὺς ἐξαναστὰς ἔφη, Ὥρα ἐστίν, ὦ προφήτα, περὶ τὴν τῶν ξένων ἐπιμέλειαν γενέσϑαι· τῇ δὲ ἐπιούσῃ περὶ τῶν ἑξης ϑεολογήσομεν.

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#6

If a person is with Zeus and the Gods, there is no pessimism and no nihilism.

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#7

Nihilism develops naturally in some people's minds and has spread thanks to philosophy.
Marcos Aurelio can be considered a nihilist in several of his reflections. It is interesting to note that in his diary he never mentioned reincarnation or life after death.

Man simply dies and becomes grass, all for his own diary.

I think what you mean is Stoicism. There might be some aspects that are common in these two mindset and philosophy, but they are very different in a lot of other ways. Stoicism is about handling you thoughts, emotions, and situations correctly, and mindfully, without letting your emotions wild.

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It employs ancient ideas of the visible world as an illusion, or fake copy, of a noumenal world.

How is this be to be overcome? I this a philosophical framework that can only kill us, or is there an entirely other paradigm we can engage with?

Platonic Dualism is a mental illness and a cult. I am a strong proponent of physicalism (emergentism in particular), and HPS Pythia specifically stated þat boþ þe occult and physical sciences converge on one unified reality. Þis is þe observationally-verifiable truþ, from our own experiences and knowledge as Zevism. Þere are no two seperate realms of existence; þat is what abrahamics believe wiþ þeir absurd fictional “heaven”.

Technological optimism is þe only true cure for nihilism and oþer worþless products of psychological masturbation. Þe longer you stay in your head, believing you can fit reality in your head, þe more mentally ill you will become—þe terminal stage being solipsism:

David Deutsch — “The Beginning of Infinity” (pp. 212‒215)said:

…Unless a society is expecting its own future choices to be better than its present ones, it will strive to make its present policies and institutions as immutable as possible. Therefore Popper’s criterion can be met only by societies that expect their knowledge to grow – and to grow unpredictably. And, further, they are expecting that if it did grow, that would help.

This expectation is what I call optimism, and I can state it, in its most general form, thus:

The Principle of Optimism
All evils are caused by insufficient knowledge.

Þere are no problems—created by nature or by technology—þat cannot be solved wiþ more technology, wheþer þat technology is “spiritual” or “material” in nature. Abandon dualism and the world, life, and reality start making true sense.

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