masaradadevoted
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shunyata is the idea that no actual (permanent)ground of being exists for anything wich is based entirely on dependant origination wich is the idea that all phenomena are based on other phenomena wich is based on infinite regression
even in regards to Kshanabhanga,nothing of the cause exists in the effect,so where does the material for a new atom or internal atom(mindstream,5 skandhas)come from?it can't be the same substance transmutating into different things,thats not buddhadharma but something more like Trika shaivism.
and we know things cannot be created ex nihilo especially in terms of impersonal forces.even if kshanabhanga weren't a thing and a thing(that a cause has ceased when it's effect arises) only begins to cease when its effect arises or has arisen,a substance cannot create a new substance ex nihilo.in nature we find the same root substance being transformed or transmutated into different things not new things being formed.this is the zero energy universe in physics.even a God could not create ex nihilo.atleast the materialists who hold matter as the prime substance are logical in admitting only transmutation of a sort occurs.
No denigration intended but it just seems that buddhism is based on infinite regression and things coming from nothing thru pratityasamutpada (wich shunyata and anatta are synonyms of it seems or atleast compeltely based upon)and kshanabhanga.
what about Kshanabhanga as defined in the Abidharma?
a thing ceases totally when it's effect arises simultanouesly.and also take for example,a atom.this atom ceases,but the substance wich makes another atom is not the same substance wich created the first atom.its not a change in condition of substance like water to vapor,or light to a subtle element but a whole new thing being created exnihilo while its cause has already ceased.thats something coming out of nothing.
thats what orthodox Kshanabhanga entails. if Kshanabhanga is not this,but something else as some buddhists would wish to believe,then a permanent ground of being logically exists(wich just transmutates,since ex nihilo creation of new substances is impossible by personal forces let alone impersonal forces) and pratityasamutpada can be thrown outside of the window.
it seems that in order to be a orthodox Buddhist,you mjst
1)believe that things come out of nothing,if that is the case why doesn't a lamborghini pop upm in my room right now
2)infinite regression
am I right or Wrong?
even in regards to Kshanabhanga,nothing of the cause exists in the effect,so where does the material for a new atom or internal atom(mindstream,5 skandhas)come from?it can't be the same substance transmutating into different things,thats not buddhadharma but something more like Trika shaivism.
and we know things cannot be created ex nihilo especially in terms of impersonal forces.even if kshanabhanga weren't a thing and a thing(that a cause has ceased when it's effect arises) only begins to cease when its effect arises or has arisen,a substance cannot create a new substance ex nihilo.in nature we find the same root substance being transformed or transmutated into different things not new things being formed.this is the zero energy universe in physics.even a God could not create ex nihilo.atleast the materialists who hold matter as the prime substance are logical in admitting only transmutation of a sort occurs.
No denigration intended but it just seems that buddhism is based on infinite regression and things coming from nothing thru pratityasamutpada (wich shunyata and anatta are synonyms of it seems or atleast compeltely based upon)and kshanabhanga.
what about Kshanabhanga as defined in the Abidharma?
a thing ceases totally when it's effect arises simultanouesly.and also take for example,a atom.this atom ceases,but the substance wich makes another atom is not the same substance wich created the first atom.its not a change in condition of substance like water to vapor,or light to a subtle element but a whole new thing being created exnihilo while its cause has already ceased.thats something coming out of nothing.
thats what orthodox Kshanabhanga entails. if Kshanabhanga is not this,but something else as some buddhists would wish to believe,then a permanent ground of being logically exists(wich just transmutates,since ex nihilo creation of new substances is impossible by personal forces let alone impersonal forces) and pratityasamutpada can be thrown outside of the window.
it seems that in order to be a orthodox Buddhist,you mjst
1)believe that things come out of nothing,if that is the case why doesn't a lamborghini pop upm in my room right now
2)infinite regression
am I right or Wrong?