basis income ?

[Taol]

They want to give everyone a basic income to stimulate economy and to battle poverty.

Now my question is.. Is this connected to communism or marxism? And how?

People do lose their jobs here and they blame everything going automatic but that has been going on for years and right now something else is yhe problem that causes this. It does soubd attractive but is it bait?

 

[roknraptor]

There was an article I read about this a long while back.  I think it took place in Europe if I remember correctly.  Basically it was an experiment they were doing where you would receive a basic income, and I think you either you did or did not have to work and would receive it irregardless.  The idea was, that people would not be pressured and they could instead focus on doing the things they like, which would stimulate creativity which would I guess improve society or whatever.  I personally didn't like it, because I do not like the idea that your income potential is fixed, which actually stunts the growth of Evolution, as money is a tool to get you places.  



  They want to give everyone a basic income to stimulate economy and to battle poverty.

Now my question is.. Is this connected to communism or marxism? And how?

People do lose their jobs here and they blame everything going automatic but that has been going on for years and right now something else is yhe problem that causes this. It does soubd attractive but is it bait?

 

[Taol]

You know what it is here too.. People dont get a fixed job anywhere here. You get a 2 year contract at best then maybe you get suspended for half a year before you get Nother 2 year contract.. People dont want to pay people anymore. If you are solid i. A place your wages are higher. Now when youve lost your job you get money but are forced to apply to new ones just whatever. Anything you get as income is then taken off your income you get from that set up because if you earn less than that.. That line is zupposed to be the minimal zone from which people could have a decend living.


That is how bad things are here right now.

 

[Taol]

That probably is most in the big cities.. they trash the area, throw out food which attracts rats. They claim no food should go to waste.. well a city overrun by rats isn't exactly healthy especially not if they are near a playground for kids.

I don't live in a city but I know some who do.


A lot of people have started for themselves. They build no pension. or what it is called. They have to look for the jobs themselves but they are self employed. so basicly they're one man companies that are hired by other companies.

Reorganisations in business, a lot of huge places like V&D didn't make it financially and before that the banks fired thousands ofpeople. There could be easily about 20.000 at least unemployed because of this.

Earlier on tv. People that get an income because they can't function due to either mental or physical issues or even a burn out.. some people can not get an income because the doctor from the company - they call them 'bedrijfsarts' -  whom judges if you can work or not.


There was the scandal that the bosses of the banks got bonuses of 1 million. with a yearly income of about the same. like 500.000 or 700.000 - don't know the exact numbers - ... the things that the trip from Brussel (main city of Belgium) that some of them were just for fun and that they were very expensive basicly taking money from the people.

Last time the PVV WON they had a majority of all the votes, but even though no party of the democracy didn't want to work with them so it's been Rutte president for the last friggin 7 years.
The only way PVV is going to get any real influence is if they become the largest with 51% votes. (or if they get 49% and one or 2 of the new little parties want to work with them making perhaps 51) That being said, there are multiple parties here. I took a look at them and one.. LOL ... is just full of clownsfaces. Litterally. Maybe one or 2 are normal on the picture list. All others look literally like clowns so much is the disproportions of their faces.


Then we have the immigrant issue which counts at least 100.000 for NL. Which all got a house. While there are not enough houses in the first place.
While there are not enough means to buy one either since you need to be hired for a longer time than just 2 years. No temporary contracts..


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the issue is big and most parties are just turned away from it. There is something called the 'bible belt' here too named after what you have in the usa and it basicly goes somewhat vertical through the country.. and touches quite a lot of places.

Making people aware should become a priority. No matter the resistance.


There are a lot of companies that also seem to be stationed elsewhere but have a desk or some set up of some sorts in this country because its cheaper.


If anything has to be done around here it'd immediately mean a complete rewire of the civilization. Not just one thing, but at least 5 or 6 in the first place. And right now there is not one single party that covers more than 1 - maybe 2 - of those steps.


As for my town.. there are more immigrants here than 10 years ago, still its minimal but it doesn't feel right. A Brazillian family in the street, at least 1 or 2 muslim families in the street as well.. thank god not living next door xD.