About Your First Saturn Return [Updated - How To Manage This And The Good News]

[Dhruv11]

Mine sucked the rooster however I think I blazed a trail for the next batch to go through a corridor if you will

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Hi Edward,

Please when you find the time can you comment more on the Tibetan book of the dead. How do the beings that come in the bardo state relate to the Satanic gods do you think?

Do any of the early / authentic Buddhist practices relate to the Satanic ones. I remember they have some thorough practices for dream yoga.

Hail Satan!

As it is said in The Book of the Dead itself, these entities has not only nothing to do with personal Gods (except they may be called after them) but there is actually a statement in mostly every page there, that these entities are the representatives of the own mind of the meditator. They are within his own lokaloka (legendary mountains "restricting one's world") meaning the limitations of his own mind. This is quantum truth: we see and live in a world created by our won Observation, i.e. that one we can see and receive. When we meditate our capability of receiving or observing grows and we can enter different worlds and different parts of this world.

Also Book of the Dead shows the process of purification and different states of the mind: you may observe beneficial things but if you do not follow the truth and do not understand it fully, and if your energies fall into more ignorant states you may observe and feel worse and frightening things because these are energies of lower spheres of the mind, i.e. the world (since the mind is the world, the last is the emanation of the first - see above). It is not off-topic to this thread and very much related to what we were speaking here about Saturn, because Saturn is exactly what changes from frightening to beneficial with purification of the mind and Saturn is what is really very related to what was written there about these entities. For example, they have some "fury" entities there.

In this regard it is very notable to remember that Saturn is a part of our soul, our Base Chakra, bone system etc, it is our soul and body, our natal chart and fate. Purification of the soul is purification of Saturn, or Saturnine soil as they called it in books into purified gold or "silver powder" to further cleanse all other parts by it.

Dream yoga is real. Since dreams are also in the mind as well as any other part of the so called observed universe (that's why it is called observed) you can manage it as you do with your body in actual yoga, thus relaxing, "stretching" and training your mind not different to how you relax, stretch and train your body in physical yoga. Thus you "stretch" your observed world and can go to any place and time you want. Most people are too tired and they just rest and let their mind relax and stray. But this relaxation may also be used for advancement.

This last paragraph was my own opinion, advanced Zevism may pour more light on the dream theory.

 

[Artoria Pendragon]

Thank you, this is very interesting

Buddha never speaks of the satanic gods does he?

So the dietes in Buddhism - are they all aspects of the mind?

On the whole, would you suggest any other Buddhist books to read? Or Buddhist practice to practice?

Thanks Edward
Hail Satan!

quote="Edward Lonsa" post_id=387512 time=1662828310 user_id=504]

Hi Edward,

Please when you find the time can you comment more on the Tibetan book of the dead. How do the beings that come in the bardo state relate to the Satanic gods do you think?

Do any of the early / authentic Buddhist practices relate to the Satanic ones. I remember they have some thorough practices for dream yoga.

Hail Satan!

As it is said in The Book of the Dead itself, these entities has not only nothing to do with personal Gods (except they may be called after them) but there is actually a statement in mostly every page there, that these entities are the representatives of the own mind of the meditator. They are within his own lokaloka (legendary mountains "restricting one's world") meaning the limitations of his own mind. This is quantum truth: we see and live in a world created by our won Observation, i.e. that one we can see and receive. When we meditate our capability of receiving or observing grows and we can enter different worlds and different parts of this world.

Also Book of the Dead shows the process of purification and different states of the mind: you may observe beneficial things but if you do not follow the truth and do not understand it fully, and if your energies fall into more ignorant states you may observe and feel worse and frightening things because these are energies of lower spheres of the mind, i.e. the world (since the mind is the world, the last is the emanation of the first - see above). It is not off-topic to this thread and very much related to what we were speaking here about Saturn, because Saturn is exactly what changes from frightening to beneficial with purification of the mind and Saturn is what is really very related to what was written there about these entities. For example, they have some "fury" entities there.

In this regard it is very notable to remember that Saturn is a part of our soul, our Base Chakra, bone system etc, it is our soul and body, our natal chart and fate. Purification of the soul is purification of Saturn, or Saturnine soil as they called it in books into purified gold or "silver powder" to further cleanse all other parts by it.

Dream yoga is real. Since dreams are also in the mind as well as any other part of the so called observed universe (that's why it is called observed) you can manage it as you do with your body in actual yoga, thus relaxing, "stretching" and training your mind not different to how you relax, stretch and train your body in physical yoga. Thus you "stretch" your observed world and can go to any place and time you want. Most people are too tired and they just rest and let their mind relax and stray. But this relaxation may also be used for advancement.

This last paragraph was my own opinion, advanced Zevism may pour more light on the dream theory.
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[Artoria Pendragon]

Hi Edward, I am
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I wondered if you had come across him before

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He teaches on Buddhist mysticism

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Hail Satan!


quote="Edward Lonsa" post_id=387512 time=1662828310 user_id=504]

Hi Edward,

Please when you find the time can you comment more on the Tibetan book of the dead. How do the beings that come in the bardo state relate to the Satanic gods do you think?

Do any of the early / authentic Buddhist practices relate to the Satanic ones. I remember they have some thorough practices for dream yoga.

Hail Satan!

As it is said in The Book of the Dead itself, these entities has not only nothing to do with personal Gods (except they may be called after them) but there is actually a statement in mostly every page there, that these entities are the representatives of the own mind of the meditator. They are within his own lokaloka (legendary mountains "restricting one's world") meaning the limitations of his own mind. This is quantum truth: we see and live in a world created by our won Observation, i.e. that one we can see and receive. When we meditate our capability of receiving or observing grows and we can enter different worlds and different parts of this world.

Also Book of the Dead shows the process of purification and different states of the mind: you may observe beneficial things but if you do not follow the truth and do not understand it fully, and if your energies fall into more ignorant states you may observe and feel worse and frightening things because these are energies of lower spheres of the mind, i.e. the world (since the mind is the world, the last is the emanation of the first - see above). It is not off-topic to this thread and very much related to what we were speaking here about Saturn, because Saturn is exactly what changes from frightening to beneficial with purification of the mind and Saturn is what is really very related to what was written there about these entities. For example, they have some "fury" entities there.

In this regard it is very notable to remember that Saturn is a part of our soul, our Base Chakra, bone system etc, it is our soul and body, our natal chart and fate. Purification of the soul is purification of Saturn, or Saturnine soil as they called it in books into purified gold or "silver powder" to further cleanse all other parts by it.

Dream yoga is real. Since dreams are also in the mind as well as any other part of the so called observed universe (that's why it is called observed) you can manage it as you do with your body in actual yoga, thus relaxing, "stretching" and training your mind not different to how you relax, stretch and train your body in physical yoga. Thus you "stretch" your observed world and can go to any place and time you want. Most people are too tired and they just rest and let their mind relax and stray. But this relaxation may also be used for advancement.

This last paragraph was my own opinion, advanced Zevism may pour more light on the dream theory.
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[Dragonheart666]

Additional information and FAQ



Yes, you can of course do any of the following to help out the Saturn Transit manifest better: Sun Square, Jupiter Square, Cleaning or any meditation that deals with mitigating energies. This is mostly work that affects the energy. The real solution to experience this in the best way, is to actually have rectified as much as possible before this, to have cleaned the soul. And even then, workings to help around with this transit are necessary. Then, we also have the patience and necessary life assessments one might have to make for this energy to be expressed correctly.



Yes, thank you for this, I should have been more specific. In certain occasions, Saturn can come to bring things to a closure, ie, closure of the previous aspect of life, and waking up or coming into terms with a new life with new possibilities. A change of lifepath and added responsibilities for this lifepath might as well emerge, and it might not be "negative", yet, it can all be based on a deep inner and outer change.



It will help tremendously, but it will not negate the, let's say, "disciplinary" aspect of Saturn. You will experience way less negativity especially compared to what certain people might. The AOP is helpful against ALL negative forces, including what could be considered negative from this transit.



Yes, most definitely the Saturn Return can cause this, PROVIDED, one has toiled and built a foundation before. If this is not present, Saturn can come here and push someone to make this happen or to come face to face with the issue. The more one is accepting, the better, and it can also have a propelling effect for those who have sat themselves down and worked hard for an outcome in life.

Your mentality is very correct and Saturn respects a correct mentality.



We have had a long conversation with HPS Pythia on this. Certain people, when they do the Saturn Square, they have very good effects in their life, improved structure, and they can use this beneficially. Others however, might experience a temporary increase of negativity.

If the Square of Saturn is to be used, it's to be used with a very positive and proper affirmation, and everyone has to try it and see how it goes. We have had mixed input from users of the Saturn Square, simply because of how most people "deal" with Saturn based on their nature. In no case we had "very bad" things however, and in more cases, we had very good outcomes, mostly however of a steady and slow manifestation such as grounding or a more concrete outlook of life.



Absolutely. This is a very correct approach with this.



2-3 degrees is the orb where this will be felt the tightest, but the large orb is 7 degrees. When above 3 degrees, the effects will be subtler.



Saturn as retrograde can have a sense of inner structure or a private inner structure, that might come in clashes with the external environment during this transit. But to know exactly how this might play out, you have to watch for the patterns of your life [ie, were you about to get married or get a job abroad, for example?] and to also look at the native house of your Natal Chart and where Saturn is seated.





Yes, Saturn can really have effects like this. As thus, the post for people who are about to undergo this. If it's behind you, that's very good news.



All of your reply is really in depth and very much on the point. Yes, Saturn can come as a little "Grim Reaper" that forces assessments in life. If one for example had audacious dreams about their next years [that they never followed through with] or they never had anything, Saturn can come and put all of this to the challenge, forcing people to finally make a proper adjustment so they can progress in life in a more "realistic" fashion.


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Since many of you are a younger generation of Zevism, those of you around 27-30, might experience within the next years your first Saturn Return. Effects might be already a little felt for some.

You must know, that this is a violent transitory aspect, which, no matter what you have succeeded at, it will come to test it all. It's not a very positive time for a person. Certain other aspects and transits can help you, but this one is still a very tough one.

One must keep in mind, that no matter what they see, they have around as much time as their first Return. This transit can make you feel as you have been useless, done nothing, or all things in your life have been mistakes, bringing with it a lot of other negative events. The house in which Saturn is seated in your Natal Chart, can be indicative on what this is going to hit mostly.

Many people due to lack of life experience, or not understanding how life works, are very quick to judge themselves harshly and negatively. You'll go through hard times in life, that is life.

There are also many people who just run from what is perceived as "negative" or "trying". This aspect will hit hardest on these people, and from there on, it depends on how these people will go about managing this.

One more category of people is those who keep trying to do the best and planning out for the future. Generally, this transit comes to make you look back and front in the same time: What you have done, what you could have done better, and what you can do better off in the future in your life.

This, again, depends strongly on the houses in which the transit is taking place into, but this can also be an overall theme in your life during this transit. The more spiritual work one has done, and the wiser one is, these outflows of Saturn can be mitigated to some extent.

Emotional pain, garbage, misfortune, or all sorts of other negativity might be consistent with this transit, and look like it is taking too much on you, same as external events. It's very rare that one experiences this transit without a lot of opposition, so feeling like you are being opposed by the world or very negative, is also likely to happen.

For these transits, one must definitely keep meditating. Accepting Saturn's lessons [not destruction, the LESSONS], can be crucial. For example, Saturn might make you depressed over certain things that you can fix, and you must look behind the causes of said negativity or opposition to try to address it, where this is possible. This transit needs to be made a lesson out of.

In regards to how to manage this, one should keep their soul clean [cleaning etc], control the mind [void meditation is crucial at all points in life] and doing what is necessitated of them from their meditation program, which is in accordance to advancement. It's also always good to not allow your energies to drop [ie, to keep constant on meditation] as Saturn can have an effect of being more difficult to control when things are out of order or when you are a bit down.

Lastly, no matter what, one must know: IT WILL PASS! If you are of the category that experienced this in an easy way, that is a very good indicator you have been managing life properly, but still, this aspect will enforce re-assessments.

One must also bear closely at heart, that the Gods are going to be with you and support you, and that you are not alone in this situation. Additionally, a transit that negative won't occur for at least 7 or 14 years, and the second return will take approximately anywhere from 27 to 30 years. In other words, you have little to worry about after this first transit where Saturn is concerned, and the good times are going to be ahead after this very negative transit leaves you.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

I never knew about this before. And I wish to know more about it. Thank you for sharing this information HP HC