About "helping" ToZ with XMR mining

[Henu the Great]

If you made the effort off reading throuth the research I did, then you would see it makes sense. Supporting the Crypto system, on which the donations are running is the most productive thing we can do.

No Crypto = No ToZ

Laughable response. Why? Because I already explained why this is not productive. Let me reiterate.

The scenario you present uses resources to gain a smaller amount of resources in return. Let's assume the 500 hash per second example you brought up above, and another example, 10000 hash per second, for a modern system. Both of these systems take up 100% of the CPU capacity for as long as they operate, greatly mitigating or eliminating the use of the computer for any other task simultaneously. At the same time, these systems consume electricity, which costs money. For the return, which is XMR, one would be paying to get a return, be it a few cents, or a few dozen cents a day (as per the examples above, there are calculators for this, such as this) The above numbers assume that the computers are running continously, all day, every day.

On the other hand, for the other examples I brought up, such as mowing a lawn, dumpster diving, or having a steady-paying job, one gets a hundredfold, or more, times the return for their daily time spent doing them. I also have first-hand experience of all the above examples, so I know what I am talking about here.

The only viable argument you have, which I also mentioned as a positive, is supporting the XMR network. But one would be paying for that. And moreover, a system running either 500H/s or even 10kH/s is minuscule in the network, and can only make an impact with others working alongside them. (https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero) That being said, it is not the most productive thing one can do, as you said, because one pays for it, and the result is minuscule, needing help from others, while the examples of being an active member in society are actually producing more results for the same effort.

Let the "big boys" who run mining pools and operate specific hardware take care of the network, while we, Zevists, use the network they provide for us. The network is not going anywhere if we do not uphold it, and even if it did, there would be other ways to move funds in the modern world, as the XMR network is not the only one, and cryptocurrency is not the only method, either.

If you still ignore the points above, I have no other option but to consider you a retard, which is a shame because I am sure you are not, but you are, for some reason, ignoring reason in this case.

 

[Fuchs]

Laughable response. Why? Because I already explained why this is not productive. Let me reiterate.

The scenario you present uses resources to gain a smaller amount of resources in return. Let's assume the 500 hash per second example you brought up above, and another example, 10000 hash per second, for a modern system. Both of these systems take up 100% of the CPU capacity for as long as they operate, greatly mitigating or eliminating the use of the computer for any other task simultaneously. At the same time, these systems consume electricity, which costs money. For the return, which is XMR, one would be paying to get a return, be it a few cents, or a few dozen cents a day (as per the examples above, there are calculators for this, such as this) The above numbers assume that the computers are running continously, all day, every day.

On the other hand, for the other examples I brought up, such as mowing a lawn, dumpster diving, or having a steady-paying job, one gets a hundredfold, or more, times the return for their daily time spent doing them. I also have first-hand experience of all the above examples, so I know what I am talking about here.

The only viable argument you have, which I also mentioned as a positive, is supporting the XMR network. But one would be paying for that. And moreover, a system running either 500H/s or even 10kH/s is minuscule in the network, and can only make an impact with others working alongside them. (https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero) That being said, it is not the most productive thing one can do, as you said, because one pays for it, and the result is minuscule, needing help from others, while the examples of being an active member in society are actually producing more results for the same effort.

Let the "big boys" who run mining pools and operate specific hardware take care of the network, while we, Zevists, use the network they provide for us. The network is not going anywhere if we do not uphold it, and even if it did, there would be other ways to move funds in the modern world, as the XMR network is not the only one, and cryptocurrency is not the only method, either.

If you still ignore the points above, I have no other option but to consider you a retard, which is a shame because I am sure you are not, but you are, for some reason, ignoring reason in this case.

Thanks to your bickering, I found a better solution, that works even with a smartphone, it´s about bandwith sharing (estimated earnings 0,1-0,5 Dollar a day), ontop on this we could develop a donation app, like scan this QR Code to donate, finish done (automated donation get banned from app stores).

Here’s a clear summary of the Mysterium Network project:

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1) Project link (official)​

https://www.mysterium.network/ — Official Mysterium Network website.
This is where you find docs, node guides, and network info.

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2) What it does​

Mysterium Network is a decentralized VPN (dVPN) and bandwidth marketplace built on blockchain technology:

• It lets people run “nodes” on their device (PC, mini-PC, Raspberry Pi, phone) that share unused internet bandwidth.
• Other users and companies pay to connect through these nodes for privacy, geo-access, censorship resistance, and secure routing.
• When traffic goes through your node, you earn MYST tokens (the native cryptocurrency of the network).
• It’s open source, permissionless, and designed to make the internet more open and censorship-resistant.

In essence:

Node runners sell idle bandwidth as decentralized VPN access, and the network rewards them in MYST.

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3) How much money you can make in a day​

This varies a lot depending on:

• location
• demand
• uptime
• usage (how much real traffic your node sees)

Examples reported by real users:

• Some users claimed up to 5 MYST per day on powerful setups with good demand.
• Others on Reddit have noted that income varies widely with demand — e.g., historically one user earned ~£110/month per node in the past but now much less (~£10/month) due to traffic drop and more competition.

There is no guaranteed daily amount — most people see earnings fluctuate significantly.


Also note: MystNodes takes a ~20% network fee from your earnings.

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4) Pros​

Why people like it
Passive income: You can earn crypto without active work.
Uses idle resources: No heavy CPU use — mostly bandwidth.
Easy to start: Simple setup on many devices (Linux/Windows/Raspberry Pi).
Decentralized: No central authority controlling data.
Privacy focus: Encrypted traffic and censorship resistance.

Very low CPU / battery usage​

• Uses bandwidth, not processing power
• No noticeable phone slowdown
• No heat / fan noise (on PCs)

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Completely passive​

• No tasks
• No clicking
• No “watch ads”
• Turn it on → forget it

This matters for people who hate micro-task apps.

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Flexible & reversible​

• You can:
  • pause anytime
  • uninstall instantly
  • lose nothing by stopping

No lock-in.

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Open-source components​

• Core node software is open-source
• Community can audit parts of the system
• More transparent than closed “black box” apps

This matters if you care about trust.

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Supports a censorship-resistant internet​

• Helps bypass censorship in restrictive countries
• Enables decentralized access
• Some users value this ideologically, not financially

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Good for donations / causes​

• Earnings can be:
  • donated
  • redirected to open-source projects
  • used for community funding

Useful if money isn’t the main goal.

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Works on cheap / old hardware​

• Old PC, mini-PC, Raspberry Pi, spare phone
• No need for powerful hardware
• Low barrier to entry

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No identity required​

• No KYC to run a node
• No personal documents needed
• Just a wallet

This is rare today.

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5) Cons​

What to be cautious about
Earnings unpredictable and often low: Traffic demand fluctuates and many report much lower income now than past.
Depends on IP demand/location: Some regions earn much more than others.
Network fee (~20%): Not all rewards go to you.
Needs always-on internet: Ideally 24/7 uptime.
Crypto price risk: MYST token value fluctuates — earnings may be worth less in fiat terms.
No guaranteed payout: Your node must actually get traffic to earn.

ISP / provider issues​

• Some ISPs don’t like bandwidth sharing
• Possible warning or throttling
• Very rarely: service cancellation
• More likely on mobile data or small ISPs

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IP address problems​

• Your IP can look like a proxy
• Streaming, banking, or some sites may block or show captchas
• Usually temporary, fixed by stopping the node or IP change

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Low earnings​

• Phone nodes earn very little
• Often just cents per day
• High data usage vs low payout can feel not worth it

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Traffic trust risk​

• You don’t see the traffic
• Network claims filtering, but no system is 100% guaranteed
• Risk is very low, but not zero

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Crypto downsides​

• Paid in MYST (price volatility)
• Withdrawals + swaps add friction
• Possible tax/reporting obligation

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Technical hassle​

• App may stop in background
• NAT / connectivity issues
• Needs monitoring sometimes