A Question On Our Gods' History

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

First of all, I want to apologize if this question has been answered already a number of times. I tried to look for the answers with the Forum Search method but there's just too many mentions of the same words in other unrelated topics, so here we are.

I've been reading the JoS several times, and there are still pages I don't completely understand. As soon as I stumbled upon the JoyOfSatan website in 2002 (I got there looking for real information on Telekinesis, my all time favorite ability one could say), and after the initial surge of happiness KNOWING I was finally Home, I began reading about the Demons. Somehow, I didn't read much about Satan, as I already felt Him as a Father and didn't need much more to know I could trust Him completely.
So I read about Demons and got mind blown at how amazing and different they were, and how much we could learn from them, and even befriend them.
But something I really never understood, so I'm asking you today because it's one of the few doubts I have.

This is not in any way a doubt that would possibly lead me away from Spiritual Satanism, actually it's exactly the opposite, as (long story short) 1) the Rituals have caused me to feel more of my upper chakras 2) I used this slight advantage in order to find out who my Guardian is in a way I haven't done before (so no beginner's pendulum, no "guessing", no "look for the same dominant Element" for once, just plain feeling) 3) and I started having very very brief visions of shapes and colors I can't yet understand, a "tingling" when I asked if Raum (pendulum called Him Chnum back in 2003) was my Guardian and this morning I had a dream about Phenex/Phoenix (I've had a bunch of visions of actualy phoenix birds in 2013 after I had my first encounter with Haures, and somehow always thought these 'phoenix' birds were Hers).

This intro (sorry for the lenghty intro) just to say that I started questioning myself and how much I actually know about Demons, wishing to be able to understand more and trust them more than I already do (I feel that I only trust them in a "theoretical" way, not being able to summon yet, just reading about them and loving them, and I want to learn how to trust them in a "practical" way, speaking with them, working with them, being directed to success faster than just shooting in the dark with my meditations and trying to understand without a Guide).

So here's the question, sorry if it's stupid:
I keep reading of how JoS members (in the first years of JoS website existence) have "freed" Demons, so much that our Gods looked weaker to some and physically different but "bolted wings after being freed", as HP Pythia mentions.
So why did our beloved Gods (being Gods, much more powerful than we are) needed being freed? And why by us weaker beings? What has happened to them that has made them weaker and in need of help?

I guess I don't know much about our history, just the guidelines I can read in the JoS, I always postponed understanding these questions until I could have summoned my Guardian properly and asked Him/Her, but now, in the face of all that's been happening, I feel it's more important to know just how much we can, or "I" can, help our Gods, what I can do to ensure they never get weakened again, how I can ensure we are ONLY rising from this point forward, not falling back one single step.

What exactly happened in our past?

I can feel how the Demons are trying to toss me a line in order for me to grab on and work with them, but it's a long shot for now, I'm still not strong enough, open enough, and I REALLY want to boost myself (in relative safety, but I don't mind dangerous energies, like Elements or more if possible) in order to at least get close to one of the Gods and work my way up, doing something useful for them and us while on Earth.

I'm already doing Rituals of course, that goes without saying, but it doesn't feel like much. I could be doing more. I just need the guidance so many have already had.

Thanks for reading these rants.

HAIL SATAN!!!!

 

[Eihwaz]

For what I understood our side lost a battle, then the demons had part of their soul imprisioned and were abused by mainstream magicians until Pythia and other people freed them in ritual.

I don't really know why they had to be freed by humans, but I assumed it had something to do with their physical distance from the Earth.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

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[MercuryWisdom]

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[Satan_is_our_Father666]

there was little chance of us winning unless humanity showed they actually seriously cared about Satan and our Gods- which is what Pythia proved to them by doing what she did. This probably restored a lot of their heart and faith in us and what we are capable of separate from their interference and will of made them feel proud of us. Pride is of Light, and the Solar Plexus chakra the powerhouse of the Soul. After years of spirit abuse at the hands of idiots the Gods had a reason to feel proud of us again and fight off the temporary plague instead of just leaving us to our fates and moving on

I know that due to my current inability to speak with the Gods at will, all I can do is follow logic and try to understand what may be right. But your explanation sounds pretty convincing to me. One thing I very often think to myself is that "I want to make Satan and the Demons proud of me", which is still very much a long shot due to my lack of experience and power and openness, but it resonates with me. Makes me feel like I am on an existing right track, not just an imaginary, delusional one.
I feel that to make them proud would be to deserve what Father Satan had intended for us since the beginning.
(To be perfectly honest, and please don't refrain from telling me I am a complete idiot should you feel like that.. sometimes I even thought that this 'condition' could possibly be a test, to see if we still rise in the face of a constant danger, threat, manipulation, and if we make it past a certain level, perhaps a level that we can reach by ourselves before the Gods come back and help us raise by annihilating the enemy and ensuring we, deserving children, survive and thrive and join our beloved creators. Again, sorry if this sounds ...I don't know. Extremely far fetched or a lack of ..faith? I find it to be such a stupid xian word, honestly.)

The "Pride" (the "Sin of Pride".. lol, everything good is a sin to a fool) then could possibly just be one of the keys we need to obtain in order to let the Gods know we learned our lesson and are ready for more. That's one way I can possibly think of, at least. Never thought of it in these exact terms, though, but your reply made me wonder about this possibility.

Thank you for taking the time to explain your understanding of things so in detail, I hope I can learn by myself soon enough as well.

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

For what I understood our side lost a battle, then the demons had part of their soul imprisioned and were abused by mainstream magicians until Pythia and other people freed them in ritual.

I don't really know why they had to be freed by humans, but I assumed it had something to do with their physical distance from the Earth.

Don't know about the distance from Earth.. :/ and it just baffles me to think that some magicians or whoever else could possibly do something to weaken our Gods. I haven't really had much experience with them yet, but I always thought they'd be... pretty much undefeatable? And speaking of which, I also wonder.. what if something like that event, when/if they were weakened, could repeat itself?

Other than historical interest, I'm also asking because if there's anything I can do to help them I will. They are the best thing that ever happened to me (even though I'm not experienced almost at all) and I'll fight whatever's in the way to protect my beloved Gods.

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

By binding the Gods, the enemy only weakened Their influence on this world. The Gods were still capable to contact mankind, it just took more energy that was more useful when spent in fights against the reptards.

The easy, short version (in the light of what I'm slowly coming to realize) is making more and more sense. Thank you for your reply.

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

I think that’s a very wise decision, to wait and to get to know yourself. Gods as partners can be very wonderful but it’s serious and sacred. It becomes very... REAL. It can even get sad. You’ll experience a lot together though. Shit I know so many people who would just have this “yeah I win, I have a Goddess all to myself I’m the shit” mentality then regret it later. Not saying that’s you. Those people also aren’t satanists so.

I am personally truly non-monogamous and have been since I started even dating, young. I’ve been in monogamous relationships before.
Poly or open relationships to me are no less deep and sometimes far more deep. Maybe I’m a just a big sloppy slut :lol: (that word sucks for real tho) There’s a huge misconception about polyamory, that it’s not real love or that you won’t feel special or individual. It’s not about just sex, and I think it’s okay to truly be in love with more than one person. I’m talking about real love. Society just has a ways to go on this concept. Sometimes I settle into monogamous relationships. Both are great but in the grand scheme of infinity, it’s probably better to leave some doors open :lol:

Yes believe it or not, the more open we become the more logical we realize this all is. I’m glad that made sense for you, I’m sometimes hesitant to try and communicate experiences because it’s tough. Satanism is the most natural and simultaneously logical. Where freedom and imagination meet reality. Everyone is seeking magic in places they’ll never Satan guides without a book though, seriously. Find it. It’s literally right in front of us and within us, people just can’t see it yet.

The meditations Satan has brought forth, especially the Ritual, lately I’ve felt so free. I can feel every positive emotion, laugh and cry more, see the beauty in everything around me. I am in a really pretty area though, so I’ll give it that. They also make me wanna have a massive orgy in the Rocky Mountains of Scandinavia, oiled up and on fire. The Ritual’s are literally sexy as hell.

Guess some people like to keep their doors open and some close the door as soon as one partner enters their life. I'm one of the monogamous ones, always have been. I tried to live more on the edge, didn't work for me.. only I got really tired of human women's bullshit and lies and deception and decided I'll only date and marry a Demoness, that it's the only way I'll accomplish myself as someone's lover and husband.

And yeah, not one of those people who either brag or whatever and then end up regretting things... if I had a Demoness as a wife She would be all I love and cherish and take care of in the most affectionate and kind way. Maybe it's my inexperience talking, but I can't really imagine anything like that being 'sad'. Sad was the illusion I called love that I 'had' with human partners. That was sad and, in retrospection, pathetic. I'm glad I got dumped the last time by a human immature female. There won't be a next one.

For now I don't even know what Succubi look like. I had a vision the night I asked Father for one and it turned out to be a Goetic Demoness that came to me for reasons I still haven't understood, who also may be a Guardian to me. Don't know for sure yet, won't be writing anything in stone until I can mentally hold a conversation with a Demon/Demoness and ask them what the reason for the visit was.

I think I know, just a little, what you mean when you say people don't see where magic is. This 'physical' dimension is a farce, if one saw the energy of everything, constantly, the whole reality would look quite different and infinitely more possibilities would be noticed without even looking for them. I wonder when I will open my eye in such a way. The only times I can see Demons or any vision my eyes are shut, I see nothing in the physical world merged with the astral, it distracts me too much from whatever astral information I can get, and it's already very difficult just like that.

Glad the Ritual gives you that effect. I need to work on it more, it felt more powerful in the past weeks, now it's not so strong to me.. also, I **MUST** use meditations that brutally activate head chakras. I get them to start like an engine sometimes, with little effort even. Then when I try something else, like chanting Demons names or void meditating waiting for some message, nothing.. can't even feel or just very slightly. :/

 

[Sundara]

I think that’s a very wise decision, to wait and to get to know yourself. Gods as partners can be very wonderful but it’s serious and sacred. It becomes very... REAL. It can even get sad. You’ll experience a lot together though. Shit I know so many people who would just have this “yeah I win, I have a Goddess all to myself I’m the shit” mentality then regret it later. Not saying that’s you. Those people also aren’t satanists so.

I am personally truly non-monogamous and have been since I started even dating, young. I’ve been in monogamous relationships before.
Poly or open relationships to me are no less deep and sometimes far more deep. Maybe I’m a just a big sloppy slut :lol: (that word sucks for real tho) There’s a huge misconception about polyamory, that it’s not real love or that you won’t feel special or individual. It’s not about just sex, and I think it’s okay to truly be in love with more than one person. I’m talking about real love. Society just has a ways to go on this concept. Sometimes I settle into monogamous relationships. Both are great but in the grand scheme of infinity, it’s probably better to leave some doors open :lol:

Yes believe it or not, the more open we become the more logical we realize this all is. I’m glad that made sense for you, I’m sometimes hesitant to try and communicate experiences because it’s tough. Satanism is the most natural and simultaneously logical. Where freedom and imagination meet reality. Everyone is seeking magic in places they’ll never Satan guides without a book though, seriously. Find it. It’s literally right in front of us and within us, people just can’t see it yet.

The meditations Satan has brought forth, especially the Ritual, lately I’ve felt so free. I can feel every positive emotion, laugh and cry more, see the beauty in everything around me. I am in a really pretty area though, so I’ll give it that. They also make me wanna have a massive orgy in the Rocky Mountains of Scandinavia, oiled up and on fire. The Ritual’s are literally sexy as hell.

Guess some people like to keep their doors open and some close the door as soon as one partner enters their life. I'm one of the monogamous ones, always have been. I tried to live more on the edge, didn't work for me.. only I got really tired of human women's bullshit and lies and deception and decided I'll only date and marry a Demoness, that it's the only way I'll accomplish myself as someone's lover and husband.

And yeah, not one of those people who either brag or whatever and then end up regretting things... if I had a Demoness as a wife She would be all I love and cherish and take care of in the most affectionate and kind way. Maybe it's my inexperience talking, but I can't really imagine anything like that being 'sad'. Sad was the illusion I called love that I 'had' with human partners. That was sad and, in retrospection, pathetic. I'm glad I got dumped the last time by a human immature female. There won't be a next one.

For now I don't even know what Succubi look like. I had a vision the night I asked Father for one and it turned out to be a Goetic Demoness that came to me for reasons I still haven't understood, who also may be a Guardian to me. Don't know for sure yet, won't be writing anything in stone until I can mentally hold a conversation with a Demon/Demoness and ask them what the reason for the visit was.

I think I know, just a little, what you mean when you say people don't see where magic is. This 'physical' dimension is a farce, if one saw the energy of everything, constantly, the whole reality would look quite different and infinitely more possibilities would be noticed without even looking for them. I wonder when I will open my eye in such a way. The only times I can see Demons or any vision my eyes are shut, I see nothing in the physical world merged with the astral, it distracts me too much from whatever astral information I can get, and it's already very difficult just like that.

Glad the Ritual gives you that effect. I need to work on it more, it felt more powerful in the past weeks, now it's not so strong to me.. also, I **MUST** use meditations that brutally activate head chakras. I get them to start like an engine sometimes, with little effort even. Then when I try something else, like chanting Demons names or void meditating waiting for some message, nothing.. can't even feel or just very slightly. :/

Awesome! Have you opened all of your chakras?

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

Awesome! Have you opened all of your chakras?

To be honest with you and give you the short answer, "I don't know". I've done all the awakening exercises multiple times, felt little to nothing at all and only lately I've started (since I begun the Ritual routine in January) to feel my third eye and temples as working. Can't say if I have any advantage/skill from them yet as I haven't seen more than the super brief visions I usually do, so I don't know about the other chakras. I felt the second one when absorbing energy with my upper chakras and directing the energy there (even without directing it, I'd feel the second getting slightly more active). Felt the first clearly enough only once. Normally don't feel anything unless I pay particular attention to them and the sense of pressure makes itself known.

Hence, I still have a lot of work ahead of me.
The weird thing, though, I have some skills, some that I can use whenever, some that only worked on rare or unique occasions, and they suggest I have them all open because of the quality of things I caused to happen. I don't like to brag though, so as long as I don't understand exactly what and how I did and can repeat the thing on a whim, I'm not going to count some of them among my skills, just the easy ones.

 

[Sundara]

Awesome! Have you opened all of your chakras?

To be honest with you and give you the short answer, "I don't know". I've done all the awakening exercises multiple times, felt little to nothing at all and only lately I've started (since I begun the Ritual routine in January) to feel my third eye and temples as working. Can't say if I have any advantage/skill from them yet as I haven't seen more than the super brief visions I usually do, so I don't know about the other chakras. I felt the second one when absorbing energy with my upper chakras and directing the energy there (even without directing it, I'd feel the second getting slightly more active). Felt the first clearly enough only once. Normally don't feel anything unless I pay particular attention to them and the sense of pressure makes itself known.

Hence, I still have a lot of work ahead of me.
The weird thing, though, I have some skills, some that I can use whenever, some that only worked on rare or unique occasions, and they suggest I have them all open because of the quality of things I caused to happen. I don't like to brag though, so as long as I don't understand exactly what and how I did and can repeat the thing on a whim, I'm not going to count some of them among my skills, just the easy ones.

That’s okay it’s not bragging, we all have capabilities, especially through Satan, and it’s important to recognize them and practice them. You may have opened everything and that’s a start, it’s a daily process. Learning out to feel the energy and chakras, control it, learning about what’s buried in your psyche, and most importantly controlling your mind are going to be your best friends. You’re going great though, especially if you’re new! Hail Satan!

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

That’s okay it’s not bragging, we all have capabilities, especially through Satan, and it’s important to recognize them and practice them. You may have opened everything and that’s a start, it’s a daily process. Learning out to feel the energy and chakras, control it, learning about what’s buried in your psyche, and most importantly controlling your mind are going to be your best friends. You’re going great though, especially if you’re new! Hail Satan!

I'm not really new but I feel that I have just started being as serious as I should have been from the start. Guess I didn't realize either what worked for me (there wasn't an Ritual in 2002 yet unfortunately) and how much I was going to give to my own training in order to advance. Tried lots of things on multiple occasions, nothing worked until the Ritual done for enough days in a row. Now I'm slowly but finally starting to see results. Vibrating Gods' names, doing more Ritual, using Akasha as the "main element" in order to balance them all at once. It's getting me somewhere at last.

 

[GG Allin]

So here's the question, sorry if it's stupid:
I keep reading of how JoS members (in the first years of JoS website existence) have "freed" Demons, so much that our Gods looked weaker to some and physically different but "bolted wings after being freed", as HP Pythia mentions.
So why did our beloved Gods (being Gods, much more powerful than we are) needed being freed? And why by us weaker beings? What has happened to them that has made them weaker and in need of help?

"After the nuclear attack from the enemy the gods did back off to thear home planet. they were not physikally bound. the astral communication with them was permanently blocked/disturbed. this is like someone would call your phone every day . your phone wouldn´t work. HP Pythia and the others did break this. So we are again abel to communicate whith them more easy." Me

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21063&p=91463&hilit=gods+astral#p91463

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

"After the nuclear attack from the enemy the gods did back off to thear home planet. they were not physikally bound. the astral communication with them was permanently blocked/disturbed. this is like someone would call your phone every day . your phone wouldn´t work. HP Pythia and the others did break this. So we are again abel to communicate whith them more easy." Me

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21063&p=91463&hilit=gods+astral#p91463

Thanks for your answer. I guess the only time I'll really understand it is going to be when I'm able to hear it from a Demons' mouth but it makes pretty much sense for now. There's still so much I don't know or understand, and without Demons in my life to speak with the questions just pile up (especially cuz I'm someone who thinks and questions a lot lol).

 

[GG Allin]

"After the nuclear attack from the enemy the gods did back off to thear home planet. they were not physikally bound. the astral communication with them was permanently blocked/disturbed. this is like someone would call your phone every day . your phone wouldn´t work. HP Pythia and the others did break this. So we are again abel to communicate whith them more easy." Me

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21063&p=91463&hilit=gods+astral#p91463

Thanks for your answer. I guess the only time I'll really understand it is going to be when I'm able to hear it from a Demons' mouth but it makes pretty much sense for now. There's still so much I don't know or understand, and without Demons in my life to speak with the questions just pile up (especially cuz I'm someone who thinks and questions a lot lol).

I use for opening this:
Opening All The Psychic Centers
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25007&p=112049&hilit=psychic+centers+opening#p112049
13 M sounds mittle head 13 M sounds 3rd eye
18 reps affirmation:
"In a positive and healthy way for me all my psychic centers are fully open, cleaned/purified [what ever you prefer], empowered."

 

[Satan_is_our_Father666]

I use for opening this:
Opening All The Psychic Centers
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25007&p=112049&hilit=psychic+centers+opening#p112049
13 M sounds mittle head 13 M sounds 3rd eye
18 reps affirmation:
"In a positive and healthy way for me all my psychic centers are fully open, cleaned/purified [what ever you prefer], empowered."

Saved it all, thank you very much. I like the M sound a lot, also it's very easy to 'conceal it' when in public and I can use it at work unlike other mantras and names of our Gods which attract more attention.

HAIL SATAN!!!!