Workings #77726 Sublimating the most horrendous Saturn placement? HELP needed.

[AskSatanOperator]

Saturn 15° Taurus, and making hard aspects to multiple co-rulers (which isn't even the worst part).

No matter what working I do, it doesn't make a dent, or produces even MORE filth which has to be dealt with.

Is sublimating a 15° Taurus more beneficial than a regular Saturn sublimation, in terms of the "rewards" of Saturn?

The rest of my chart is very good. If I didn't have this Saturn, life would've been quite different, but instead I feel like I am on a permanent hamster wheel dealing with this.

It somewhat restricts most of my other workings as well, making it very difficult to progress anywhere.

It's such a pervasive force throughout the whole chart.

What is your advice?

 

[ServantOfThoth]

You can do a Saturn square for this.

Saturn 45

 

[MercuryWisdom]

You can do a Saturn square for this.

Saturn 45

This can actually ruin his life.
Why do you think a Saturn square would help? When it amplifies the natal Saturn and if it’s afflicted then that would make it worse.

He should instead do the “obliterate Saturn” working by Hps Lydia.

 

[Demonic]

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What are you even suggesting him? The person is already suffering from saturn and you are suggesting him to invoke more saturn energies and use them. FOR WHAT? and how would that even work here?

To the original poster:

Sit down and think whats hindering you the most at this time, which requires urgent fixing? Start with that and tackle one problem at a time.

Once you determine whats needs to be fixed first, free yourself from negative karma of that particular thing, then use energies to achieve it. Then move on to next.

Tackle one problem at a time, starting with which needs to fixed first in your opinion. Calm down it all can be fixed and be taken care.

And clean a lot. Look at SS calenders for dates of cleaning. Search deep cleaning by HPS Lydia and obliterate saturn working its in her signature.

Use deep cleaning for ofc cleaning yourself and use obliterating saturn for the issue you determine to be fixed first.

 

[ServantOfThoth]

This can actually ruin his life.
Why do you think a Saturn square would help? When it amplifies the natal Saturn and if it’s afflicted then that would make it worse.

He should instead do the “obliterate Saturn” working by Hps Lydia.

Right with your reaction didn't want to say something wrong...Just don't have much experience with these squares and i thought they can be used for managing harmful effects of planets but i may be wrong sorry.

I hope your advices will be helpful for him or her.

 

[Vivek]

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Bad advice can do more harm than no advice at all.

I'm sure your intentions were pure, but try to teach/speak from experience.

You wouldn't want the surgeon operating on your lungs to make random guesswork on the best procedure, same here with the soul. Be very careful.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

Right with your reaction didn't want to say something wrong...Just don't have much experience with these squares and i thought they can be used for managing harmful effects of planets but i may be wrong sorry.

I hope your advices will be helpful for him or her.

Planetary squares are often underestimated how advanced they are and shouldn’t be used by beginners there are multiple warnings. They are very powerful.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Greetings, Brother / Sister!

I saw just a very significant percent of charts to say the least - of greatest mathematicians and artists with stellium or other insane placement in Taurus in all critical degrees possible. Imagine horrid stellium in some 2th house in Taurus with almost all chart there in 15, 25, Caput Algol and everywhere - and guess whose chart is it? Right, Nobel price laureate De Sitter with his greatest life possible, no violence or other "standard" Taurus alcoholic crap. Extreme prominence of Venus sign emphasized like that can give brilliant life if sublimated into Venus affair such as art or exact science (because of their beauty). The other notorious example just find most prominent ballet choreographers ever and you will find violent Taurus degree in their chart - just go and look them all up - almost all of the most outstanding ones have this Taurus thing. These are extreme Venus degrees that if not bring alcoholism or apehood, then bring greatest beauty work achievement.

I saw them just too often there. Much more often than say Leo 15 or 25 which apparently deal mostly with the other spheres. What would really put Taurus into place is self-discipline, especially providing you have a best planet for discipline in them. Your chart is talking to you via these: this is an answer: those arts and science that demands most insane self-discipline will put these into place. Why? Because these are of extreme pleasures abuse in past lives if we are talking about karmic debts type of them (they can work differently, if in your case they wreck havoc it means they got out of control). You might reverse it by insane self-discipline such as Ancient / classic ballet choreography demands. That's why people who worked their ass of at this sublimated them and had good life. If you feel uninterested in specifically mentioned affairs, I put them just as the good examples of the level of dedication and self-discipline. You of course might be creative and choose your own way, of the same level of self-sacrifice and self-discipline. You have to find path in life that will be so desirable and holly for you that your heart will lead you to self-discipline for its sake naturally. This all starts with heart call.

In regards to pleasures indulgence problem I wonder how you would feel about this sermon - I think this pretty deals with karma accumulated in predominantly Taurus spheres:

About Envy, Greed, Hate, Anger, Lust, Gluttony

From the title, one might thing that this matter here will be judged with scorn or with writing and issuing penalties for those that engage in these human processes. In the Path of the Gods which is Spiritual Satanism, there is no such topic. Denying these urges and not properly recognizing...

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My answer on the historical account of Taurus aesthetics:

Other - #76119 The ancient Greeks and sacrifice.

Currently reading Homer's Odyssey. The sacrifice of bulls is mentioned and described there quite often. I read on JoS that sacrifices are not acceptable to our gods. Was this just the “ignorance” of the time?

ancient-forums.com

In the regions full of this iconography there were also many teachings in regards to dealing with Taurusian passions:

Here are some quotes not all that Stoic yet at least something that might provide some help to those with bad degrees in Taurus or even Leo...

Stoic Quotes: Your One-Stop Page for the Most Inspiring Thoughts in Stoicism

Discover a treasure trove of Stoic Quotes from famous authors. Find the inspiration you're looking for with our extensive collection of Stoic wisdom.

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Confucius says:
"One who is strict with one's self rarely fails."

I saw chart full of 15 degree of everything including all fixed cross. This very much dealt with the problem of excess in all Venus-related affairs. Thought highest purest soul and most sacred literally Tuatha de Danann nature made it through by itself, as well as world genius unparalleled sublimation did. There were zero greed, gluttony, jealousy, envy nor other ape marginal filth mentioned in sermon. Most passions were a sanctity and sublimated into the art. There was also much self-discipline in lower things. As a result no major problems in life except those brought by compassion, that eventually led this person to complete ruin and death.

Try to listen to your experience and fate: they are the answer. Fate tells you what you lack. It is your karmic mirror. For example people with Leo on AC and Aquarius on DC might suffer from lack of attention as karmic debt: this teaches them to be more attentive and considerate to others and to this world because Leo naturally tends to start in its lower state from more self-centrist point, and when they do their fate's bidding they start to win.

 

[Engineered Trasformation]

No matter what working I do, it doesn't make a dent, or produces even MORE filth which has to be dealt with.

I read many replies in terms of Astrology, I can't comment any further here.
Just a thought.
What if the tons of filth you perceive, are coming from some other source than Saturn? Like a curse, or your own mind programmed, or some traumas, or even worst a psychic vampire strongly attached to your Soul (consequent to traumas sometimes) ?
I would spend some time to look for the true source of your negative energies, if any, just to consider more than just the Saturn option.
I try to always speak by experience. I had in one of my chakras a sort of "tube" coming from a very negative soul, thus it was constantly bringing negativity to me in the related chakra areas. Problem was not in my Planets, but in my internal damage and energies coming from external source.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

Greetings, Brother / Sister!

I saw just a very significant percent of charts to say the least - of greatest mathematicians and artists with stellium or other insane placement in Taurus in all critical degrees possible. Imagine horrid stellium in some 2th house in Taurus with almost all chart there in 15, 25, Caput Algol and everywhere - and guess whose chart is it? Right, Nobel price laureate De Sitter with his greatest life possible, no violence or other "standard" Taurus alcoholic crap. Extreme prominence of Venus sign emphasized like that can give brilliant life if sublimated into Venus affair such as art or exact science (because of their beauty). The other notorious example just find most prominent ballet choreographers ever and you will find violent Taurus degree in their chart - just go and look them all up - almost all of the most outstanding ones have this Taurus thing. These are extreme Venus degrees that if not bring alcoholism or apehood, then bring greatest beauty work achievement.

I saw them just too often there. Much more often than say Leo 15 or 25 which apparently deal mostly with the other spheres. What would really put Taurus into place is self-discipline, especially providing you have a best planet for discipline in them. Your chart is talking to you via these: this is an answer: those arts and science that demands most insane self-discipline will put these into place. Why? Because these are of extreme pleasures abuse in past lives if we are talking about karmic debts type of them (they can work differently, if in your case they wreck havoc it means they got out of control). You might reverse it by insane self-discipline such as Ancient / classic ballet choreography demands. That's why people who worked their ass of at this sublimated them and had good life. If you feel uninterested in specifically mentioned affairs, I put them just as the good examples of the level of dedication and self-discipline. You of course might be creative and choose your own way, of the same level of self-sacrifice and self-discipline. You have to find path in life that will be so desirable and holly for you that your heart will lead you to self-discipline for its sake naturally. This all starts with heart call.

In regards to pleasures indulgence problem I wonder how you would feel about this sermon - I think this pretty deals with karma accumulated in predominantly Taurus spheres:

About Envy, Greed, Hate, Anger, Lust, Gluttony

From the title, one might thing that this matter here will be judged with scorn or with writing and issuing penalties for those that engage in these human processes. In the Path of the Gods which is Spiritual Satanism, there is no such topic. Denying these urges and not properly recognizing...

ancient-forums.com

My answer on the historical account of Taurus aesthetics:

Other - #76119 The ancient Greeks and sacrifice.

Currently reading Homer's Odyssey. The sacrifice of bulls is mentioned and described there quite often. I read on JoS that sacrifices are not acceptable to our gods. Was this just the “ignorance” of the time?

ancient-forums.com

In the regions full of this iconography there were also many teachings in regards to dealing with Taurusian passions:

Here are some quotes not all that Stoic yet at least something that might provide some help to those with bad degrees in Taurus or even Leo...

Stoic Quotes: Your One-Stop Page for the Most Inspiring Thoughts in Stoicism

Discover a treasure trove of Stoic Quotes from famous authors. Find the inspiration you're looking for with our extensive collection of Stoic wisdom.

viastoica.com

Confucius says:
"One who is strict with one's self rarely fails."

I saw chart full of 15 degree of everything including all fixed cross. This very much dealt with the problem of excess in all Venus-related affairs. Thought highest purest soul and most sacred literally Tuatha de Danann nature made it through by itself, as well as world genius unparalleled sublimation did. There were zero greed, gluttony, jealousy, envy nor other ape marginal filth mentioned in sermon. Most passions were a sanctity and sublimated into the art. There was also much self-discipline in lower things. As a result no major problems in life except those brought by compassion, that eventually led this person to complete ruin and death.

Try to listen to your experience and fate: they are the answer. Fate tells you what you lack. It is your karmic mirror. For example people with Leo on AC and Aquarius on DC might suffer from lack of attention as karmic debt: this teaches them to be more attentive and considerate to others and to this world because Leo naturally tends to start in its lower state from more self-centrist point, and when they do their fate's bidding they start to win.

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