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Relationships #75629 Tolerance of men crying, values for society

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Please carefully read this. English is not my native language so I apologize if I say something weird or for any grammatical errors in my speech (I am Spanish :D).

A man crying has been conceived as a paramount sign of weakness throughout history, despite evidence suggesting that crying is a healthy act for humans in order to relieve emotions. However, it doesn’t come off as if this is a manipulation or a misconstruction created by the enemy, and presents itself as a reaction we seem to instinctually have, at least the majority of us. I for one am a sensitive man, not necessarily because I cry a lot, or because I show much emotion, but because I have been able to empathize and understand the depth of what it means to cry. No matter how insignificant, I can always understand that the person crying in front of me has their own particular struggles, no matter how trivial in the grand scheme of things. However, I personally dislike how most people would not, especially when it comes to men. Women are allowed to cry, to feel joy, to feel fear, and express a wider range of emotions. We, as men, are conditioned to express one emotion: anger. Thus, men who struggle, keep bottling up emotions, until those emotions overflow, giving rise to extreme self destructive behaviors like incels, joining terrorist groups, dealing with drugs, chronic pornographic addiction and other issues that are buried under the rug (in the West, under the pretense of extreme feminism). I would like to ask you, as people who are more in tune with the spiritual aspect of the world, if this is by design of the Gods, or if we have been brainwashed as a collective to disregard men struggling.

Modern evidence suggests we’re harming ourselves with this way of thinking, but nothing throughout history suggests that we have offered the adequate consideration to these emotions at any given time. In fact, women, which is one of men’s main motivators, are very much not attracted in a sexual way to a man crying, which also adds another point of pressure to the issue. I would like thus, to also raise questions about what femininity really entails, and if compassion and empathy are truly its values, and if these have also been corrupted in some way with time. Is this the design of the Gods, or is it another manipulation?

As I mentioned, this is not to imply and encourage that all men should suddenly cry out like babies, there is a certain degree of mental maturity that I am talking about here. I am referring more to modern day situations in which a man may struggle hard, but is not allowed to talk it out well or express it properly, even with their girlfriends/wives who, in my opinion, should be their confidants and not experience diminished attraction just for showing human emotion. This also applies to close male friends. We should not discard a brother’s suffering and treat it as childish, and we should not lose respect for someone for being human. We are here to help and love each other.

As an example of what I mean. I had a friend who, for a few months, was esentially jobless. His parents didn’t want him in the house after he had lost his job. I let him stay with me during those rough months in my apartment, while he looked for a job, but when he arrived he was devastated. He trusted in me and showed me what he felt, and I think him a brave person for being strong enough to show me his tears. Needless to say, he is very much happy now, he found a pretty high paying job, and he even payed me for half of the rent of those months as thanks, which I appreciate, even if I didn’t ask for it. But I’ll never forget his relentless determination to get out of the rut he was thrust into. He cried and rose back up. He was able to confide in me and get a grip, and he succeeded. This support is what we should strive for in a society.

Sorry for rambling, I hope we can have a nice discussion that I think is really interesting surrounding how men and women handle esch other and their emotions, how society has possibly become less human and thus has dehumanized us, and what values we should strive for as we go forward into a society led by the Gods, while also discussing what values do they attribute to man and woman, and with what they made man and woman in mind. Once more, sorry for lengthy post, it is late here, and I just feel like opening up this conversation. Have a good night, or day or afternoon, kind stranger.
 
Greetings!

I personally judge people being brave or not brave not by how they success at making their faces masks but by how they act. For example at war. There are a lot of pinko fags who desert from war, fail to protect their own and deserve to be castrated, yet have mask faces looking at their wives and children being raped. While there are a lot of heroes of war who do not cry when tortured but who cry when see innocent animal dying.

One might cry not only out of unworthy or egoistic emotions such as cowardice. One might cry out of awe, gratitude, respect, love, compassion to the different other, etc - very manful, high and acceptable emotions. Not every tears are shameful but only those shed for your own lower egoistic end.

Read Iliad to know men's tears. A lot of greatest men and Gods cried there in endless moments of great compassion and owe, except the one of personal struggle of course.

This is called noble sorrow - the one of another.
 
There’s a world of difference in a man crying and a man being a total and complete bitch.

Crying is normal and it’s not limited to a gender, but whining and not doing anything about your situation is what i’d consider not manly.

You’re allowed to cry, show emotion etc. It’s what makes you human. Nobody’s going to judge you for it.

And that whole “men shouldn’t cry” bullshit is a new concept that doesn’t hold any weight in the real world.

What is important though is that we as men should know our role and place in life. And those that don’t know who and what they are hide behind these internet trends because they can’t find actual substance in the real world
 
In the middle-east it’s very common to see men crying, especially during prayer. They’re not seen as un-manly for doing that.

What’s seen as manly and what isn’t depends a lot on the culture you were raised in.

The modern culture we’re in is superficial and over-idealistic. Every man is meant to be unfeeling completely confident superman and every woman is meant to be a princess who relies on the man for everything. Today with progressivism things are a bit upside down, however we’re living in a contradictory society where publicly men and women are told to express themselves in any way they want which then also includes negative role models for both genders, but privately most people still have the 1950s expectation of men-women which is also unrealistic. Two unnatural ways of life piled on top of each orher and also “opposed”, both caused by the capitalist-socialist dichotomy.

Both the nuclear family where men work and women don’t or the single-parent model where it’s just the mother are relatively new and unnatural for the most part, modern products of an atomised world. In collective rural areas, both men and women worked, whole communities raised children and genders naturally interact with each other.

I personally don’t think humans are meant to live in cities, at least not the way they’re living now. For most of our existence we lived more in tune with nature and in smaller communities where everyone knew each other. In East Asia the people are being suffocated by neurotic, insane rulers who have put money over everything and are killing their people for profit. In the West, something similar is happening under our jewish oligarchs.

Masculinity does relate though to self-control and inner strength while femininity is expressive and sensual (I’m not saying to be feminine is to not have self-control however).

It’s a balance of masculine-feminine where men are meant to be 60-40 or 70-30 and women are meant to be 40-60 or 30-70, mainly embodying their natural gender energy while also having some of the other.

Study more ancient views of masculinity and look into HPHC’s sermons on it as well.
 
We should not discard a brother’s suffering and treat it as childish
I agree. I also agree repressing and bottling emotions may be dangerous on the long run.
I am just asking myself, why did you post all that interesting point, anonymously?
I think you imply finding a general acceptance to the fact you are a man, and you cry sometimes.
Please, find a man who never cried in his (adult) life and bring it to me, as he is probably the only one in the world?

When a friend of mine related to me sufferings and violence received in childhood, many unsaid or indirectly said - I fully perceived them as well - I dropped a tear.
So what? Am I weaker or stronger than before? I am exactly the same person I was before that tear.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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