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Power is not decided solely by numbers, although, they can be a factor. The power of fewer can topple the power of the many, with the proper knowledge and methods. Numbers are not everything, but they matter a lot.

Your friend doesn't seem to have a clear view of how these things go. Things are more complex. The main factor for them being kicked out was toxicity, disinfo, unwarranted attacks, and other things.
 
lilysandalwood said:
An ss friend of mine said that the rtrs we made can not work because we were not outnumbered. And he said: “if Mageson is a Yehubor, how could he stay among us all these years? it means we are not strong satanists”.

It works cause it knocks out their ability to recharge their letters which is what makes up their thoughtform. So numbers really don't matter a whole lot after a point if the thing they are feeding is being knocked out. If you have billions of people praying and sending energy basically into the air to be dissapated after a few days or weeks depending on how powerful the gathering is (as in the case of their last Passover Ramadan and Easter thing) then all they are doing is wasting time and delaying their fate a tiny bit. This doesn't matter much we still win more and more each day as their stuff dissapates.

Eventually it will all be gone and they are left with nothing at all. So we win anyways no matter what they do.
 
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I want to say so many things, but I don’t want to insult someone......
 
lilysandalwood said:
He just lost confidence in JoS. That's why he doesn't fully understand Maxine's and JoS's achievements. Constantly criticizing and expecting a “perfect” flow is to underestimate real struggle. Everyone's own choice. My friend is not a bad person; still a spiritual satanist. He still trusts Maxine; he even says he only trusts her. His own decision.

"Spiritual Satanism" first came with the JoS and it's used to refer to JoS type of Satanism. What kind of SS is he if he doesn't trust it? It's like calling yourself a catholic and not trusting the pope or the Catholic Church. I'm aware that there are other "Satanists" who have stolen the name Spiritual Satanism and call themselves Spiritual Satanists, but here's a little bit of JoS history you may not know:

When HP Maxine opened the JoS group in 2002 she originally called its type of Satanism "Traditional Satanism". There's a residue of that in the site, in this URL:

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/TRADITIONAL.html

While it is titled "Spiritual Satanism", the file is called "TRADITIONAL.html" and the article refers to "Traditional Satanists" once:

Many Traditional Satanists worship Satan/Lucifer. Some acknowledge him as a friend and do not worship. We respect individuality and personal choices. One's relationship with Satan/Lucifer is up to the individual, as Satanism values free thought and individuality.

After a bit of communicating with Satan and being sick of xians and Laveyan Satanists saying that Satanism is all materialistic and sick of people who believe the xian lies about Satan calling themselves "Traditional Satanists" she decided to call it Spiritual Satanism, emphasizing the 'spiritual part' of doing power meditations and empowering your soul. This was a controversial decision as there was a huge reaction from some JoS members who wanted to keep the title "Traditional Satanism" and didn't like "Spiritual Satanism" at all at that time.

After a while when JoS became popular, other non-JoS groups (some of which hated it) began to call themselves Spiritual Satanists too, effectively stealing the name since many of them don't even practice meditations or work on their souls. So anyone who says he's a Spiritual Satanist and hates JoS or claims that the name Spiritual Satanism was used before JoS is bullshitting you.
 
Rational Satanist said:
lilysandalwood said:
He just lost confidence in JoS. That's why he doesn't fully understand Maxine's and JoS's achievements. Constantly criticizing and expecting a “perfect” flow is to underestimate real struggle. Everyone's own choice. My friend is not a bad person; still a spiritual satanist. He still trusts Maxine; he even says he only trusts her. His own decision.

"Spiritual Satanism" first came with the JoS and it's used to refer to JoS type of Satanism. What kind of SS is he if he doesn't trust it? It's like calling yourself a catholic and not trusting the pope or the Catholic Church. I'm aware that there are other "Satanists" who have stolen the name Spiritual Satanism and call themselves Spiritual Satanists, but here's a little bit of JoS history you may not know:

When HP Maxine opened the JoS group in 2002 she originally called its type of Satanism "Traditional Satanism". There's a residue of that in the site, in this URL:

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/TRADITIONAL.html

While it is titled "Spiritual Satanism", the file is called "TRADITIONAL.html" and the article refers to "Traditional Satanists" once:

Many Traditional Satanists worship Satan/Lucifer. Some acknowledge him as a friend and do not worship. We respect individuality and personal choices. One's relationship with Satan/Lucifer is up to the individual, as Satanism values free thought and individuality.

After a bit of communicating with Satan and being sick of xians and Laveyan Satanists saying that Satanism is all materialistic and sick of people who believe the xian lies about Satan calling themselves "Traditional Satanists" she decided to call it Spiritual Satanism, emphasizing the 'spiritual part' of doing power meditations and empowering your soul. This was a controversial decision as there was a huge reaction from some JoS members who wanted to keep the title "Traditional Satanism" and didn't like "Spiritual Satanism" at all at that time.

After a while when JoS became popular, other non-JoS groups (some of which hated it) began to call themselves Spiritual Satanists too, effectively stealing the name since many of them don't even practice meditations or work on their souls. So anyone who says he's a Spiritual Satanist and hates JoS or claims that the name Spiritual Satanism was used before JoS is bullshitting you.

I know that you are right; and I am also criticizing my friend and all the other anti-JoS mentality.
 

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