I was just about to give up on understanding my natal chart. I even sent a message saying as much... But, with my GD's guidance and some help from someone here (Thank you) I now understand quite a lot more about myself. Where I got confused was where the placement of planets in eacg...

I've never had that problem. It doesn't take much, anyway. That Alo sounds like the sort of rumor spread to dissuade people from using natural methods for hygiene. But, I don't know for sure.

When it comes to cleaning skin, hair and even teeth, I've never found anything better than baking soda. Try it once and I think you'll be impressed.

Well, Father understands you need a place to sleep. Be safe and wise. Hail Satan!

Just visualize His sigil and talk to Him. Or, just ask Him. Are you dedicated yet?

:) I was just being rhetorical.

@nsubuga Don't talk that violent shit here. We don't engage in criminal activities like bombings and such.

And, I'll admit I could be wrong. I just haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

@peliterepeutti I don't believe you one bit about your third eye being opened. I remember your previous post on the topic. And now, your admission that you're not even dedicated leads me to think, even more, that you' re just trying to troll. Thing is, you're not even really very good at...

Well, sometimes I'm willing to look like a douchebag for a greater purpose.

Thanks for the heads up.

Like any other demographic, they're individuals and, this means each must be handled separately and individually.

Nah. It's more likely something to do with a shitty Internet connection or something you did wrong on your end. Please cut the whining because you feel left out, out. I've had posts not go through, because I did something wrong. But I guess self-accountability just isn't your thing, is...

That was to peliterapeutti

There's something about the way you word some posts that makes me think you're trolling, sometimes.

@devilsadvocate Nic at the time, it did. A false accusation is a method used within The Big Lie, itself. It's a method I cannot stand.

They're beginning to crumble before our very eyes as I type this. Hail Satan!

So good to see a follow-up on this. I remember seeing something about it months ago! And, how wonderful of you to remember to come back and honor the Gods for their help. Isn't it good to know they're really truly willing and able to help?

Hey, Yog. I hope you're doing well. Hail Satan!

Yes, they point inward. Sorry I didn't clarify that.

Alright that last part of my response was unnecessary.I am sorry. But the rest of it stands.

@... It appears you don't understand what the third eye is. It's not a physical organ and spirituality isn't like what you.see in the cartoons in the day room :)

Enjoy yourself!

You're welcome. And, for the chiding you gave Light.Yagami, you yourself sure seem to have a "because I said so with my hands on my hips" attitude. And, now you're mad because I pointed out your error, calling it unnecessary. Oh well. Hail Satan! *tips hat and moves along*

That one feels great. Hail Satan!

You can beat this, Yog.

Fine. End this dumbass thread. I just mentioned your error to prevent someone from being wrongfully accused. And I don't fear authoritarianism. :) Hail Father Satan!

Excuse me, Shannon Outlaw. Light is not the one who titled the original post. Look

@j l3mmon It happens to the best of us, sometimes. :)

XD

An awakening working is the same thing as a destruction working.

You're welcome

Yup. Dedicate as soon as possible.

Holy shit fake name, did you EVEN read the whole article? Always with the SOUND THE ALARM!!!!!!11 shit before you think. LOL...OUT LOUD.

Broccoli is a hybrid of cauliflower and a plant called rape. No joke. It's a very real vegetable, though.

@jeffrey during meditation, 1. Visualize his sigil and talk to him. Then, pay attention for a reply. It might not be immediate And, 2. Please try sticking with a relevant thread. A friend came to us with a problem and here you are trying to derail it. There are threads on Demon...

Hail Satan, indeed! :)

@lagerthabjorn there's the third eye in front (also along with the other eyes), the chakra at the rear of your head, and the temple chakras. The more a person learns, the more they learn how.much more there is to learn. :) Hail Satan!

The Gods can most certainly help you develop your abilities. The trick will be that you need to be opened enough to them to receive their guidance. Open your soul and advance enough and, yes, you can have anything you want. But, in opening your soul, you may find, what you want, changes.

@joseph mason I can't help you do anything but to direct you to the JoS site and tell you to study and try.

I've also noticed, as I've become more self-aware in life, the xians in my family seem insistent I eat like them. It's bizarre. The more someone might want to improve themselves, the more reactionary the slave-minded become to prevent it.

Sexual energies are the creative force and are very helpful with opening your chakras, as well as a variety of other forms/applications of magic. If you opt with being asexual, I do still recommend you use masturbation for the energies and to achieve what you need and, since, goshdarnit, it...

Whenever I see them, I see them along the spine, as a vortex. I also see accompanying.chakras on the exterior edge of my front and back, too. As well as.the two just front and back of my.crown, on the exterior edge of my physical body and the four around my sixth. Does this help?

It's a kinky sex thing, fire_starter. LOL...

@peliterapeutti I guess you don't understand. The breakthrough comes from your efforts and it is your breakthrough.

When we men are clingy and needy, it pisses women off.

And here's something else you'll find helpful. http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... nergy.html

Here ya go: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html

@inlovewirhSatan, I recommend you do some of the energy manipulation exercises on JoS. It sounds like you're just a bit out of balance. Practice the exercises and you'll soon notice a big difference.

@drigloks Satan doesn't buy souls. If you're looking to dedicate yourself, this is all explained at templeofzeus.org

Who told you you can't? Is it someone from this group? And if so, who?

Hello, Vishal. As for the "how to" information, this is all found on templeofzeus.org. There's a lot to it, so, be patient but, read all of it you can Then, if you feel so compelled, dedicate yourself to Father Satan ( how is on the JoS site, too.) I've found Satan and the Pantheon...

Okay, first, it's very normal to count the vibrations on your fingers. Others use a Satanic rosary for exactly the same reason. You're not flawed there. Secondly, yeah, drugs do damage. They sure did me. But, the good news is, science has proven meditation actually physically changes the...

Well, Joseph Mason, my message was to someone else, about their search and not necessarily about your love life. But, okay, I guess. (Are you seriously focusing on a woman who isn't attracted to you? That doesn't seem very mature.)

Is your third eye already open?

I drive for a living. I drive at night, on difficult, back roads, in sometimes crappy weather. On my best nights, I can see, maybe 200 feet in front of me and, even then, sometimes the road goes around a corner or over a hill, so, I can't even see as far all the time. But I know the road...

It's all about alien technology, which most of us still have yet to understand. Now, you two kiss and make up. @magnum, no tongue this time, either. :P

Hail Volac! Hail Satan!

@peliterapeutti Please don't buy into these feelings of giving up. By continuing on, you ARE resisting. The enemy wants you to feel as if you're having no impact. By continuing on, you're telling them, you know, they lie. Besides, a breakthrough is coming. Hail Satan!

There are very few things from which you can't - at least eventually - recover from. Be patient and keep meditating. Hail Satan!

This moved my soul around, brother. Thank you. It's so beautiful, it nearly brings me to tears. It's like a cool drink of water on a hot Summer day. Hail Father Satan, forever!

If you're serious about this, then, you'll just have to put in the effort and consistently meditate. Everybody wants to be a Spiritual Satanist, until it comes to doing what Spiritual Satanists actually do. Get to work. Put in the effort. Hail Satan!

I never knew Satan would want us to submit our will. But hey, maybe there's something special in store for you. :) As for the feeling you felt, who knows but you, yourself. It sounds like an enemy attempt at turning you away. Congratulations on dedicating. Hail Satan!

1. Maybe the physical activity and the betaemdorphins just make you feel good and it's true that exercise is pleasurable? 2. Same here. From what I've been learning, when we refrain from squinting and let our interior eye muscles (those controlling our lenses) relax, everything actually...

Dang. I was gonna throw in two cents but the_fire_starter666 already nailed it. LOL! I think the statue itself is a beautiful thing, especially considering the controversy and the pictures and all are getting millions to gaze upon the Baphomet. Some of them can't help but consider it...

No. It's the enemy fucking with you. TYiur account of the "minister" in your dream tells me as much. They used to try the same thing with false images of my late mother, until I noticed she didn't look quite "right." You might just need to sever the connections they have on you. I can't...

The forehead pressure is actually a sign of some progress. To improve your ability to see the astral, immerse yourself in it by imagining a "misty blue/violet" around you, much like what you might imagine a nova in space might look like. As well, you don't need to see your Guardian to talk to...

Wonderful! In every sense of the word.

I'd recommend it , if for no other reason than the enemy is so good at head games.

Yes. Satan will protect you. Personally, I believe He already knows who will dedicate and who won't. Does this mean someone might not try to interrupt? Not necessarily. But you have your smarts and intuition to also help you to avoid this problem. And, they cannot harm you on the astral. Just...

Or, maybe iit's not even self-deceptive at all. Maybe you really ARE important and, perhaps, you really ARE being fucked with and, gray energy is trying.to distract you from fighting back, via confusion. It's just a.thought.

@inlovewithsatan Are you sure it's ego which iis the problem, ultimately, or lingering self-decptions? I'm just asking and I hope it doesn't come across as insulting.

Personally, I try to approach iit on a case-by-case basis. We do not deal with groups. We deal with individuals. There was once a time when I would've been one of your staunchest opponents. Years ago. But, somehow, Father Satan freed me from all of that madness. Now, were I to meet another...

Not being dedicated, the last thing you'd ever want is a risen kundalini. If anything (and by that I mean iif you're not either full of shit or deluded or trying to troll) it's an enemy thing. Now, I warned you about messing around and dabbling without being dedicated, didn't I? Hmm...

Dajana, you're right about her needing to be dedicated. But you might be mistaken about trolling. And, pot...meet kettle. :)

Dajana, you're right about her needing to be dedicated. But you might be mistaken about trolling. And, pot...meet kettle. :)

Oh Dajana...NOW suddenly you're concerned with intellectual property, after sharing HP Pythia's post, like it was your own? Leighton has explained her username previously.

Bullshit, Dajana. It's called attribution and giving credit where credit is due. If a link leads someone to reading it on JoS, as opposed to here, what's the problem? If, as you say, your goal is to educate and, not seem to be the author. Plagiarists don't get much respect.

Open them? Why would you not open them, within a year? I'm just curious.

@tochikwu Are you a dedicated.Satanist? Because you sound like you're an insecure, unintelligent, boy-man. "Make her" love.you? That's on you. And you don't even.want her to notice others she.might.find attractive? Seriously? Is she REALLY cheating.on.you or are you just an insecure...

Have you dedicated?

Well said, j.l3mmon.

Good observation, arizmendisatan.

No, I don't think you understand my concern at all. Without Satan's protection, advancing yourself will only make you a target to some vicious beasties on the astral. I don't think you understand it at all.

And, bbe patient with yourself. There's a lot to this.

Get your sleep now. Ha-ha. Congratulations.

Giving your excess enegy to Satan really does work. Before I learned how to gather my energies, I simply visualized His sigil and asked him to take it. This helped tremendously. But, it seems better to gather it in a ball first.

@deusexbellorum I realize you're curious and all but why bother asking if you're not even dedicated yet? I mean, you say in another post, you can't even meditate yet and here you are, asking this, as if you're challenging it because it doesn't make sense to you. Of course it won't...

It sounds like you're in a real pickle. Are you unable to relax deeply enough and visualize anything?

HP Zevios Metathronos put together an excellent 40-day beginner program. I can't find the link right now. Working. But someone will, I'm sure. Love your username :)

Yes, DO read the templeofzeus.org website first. Then, if you're dedicated and you have questions of such a personal nature you fear embarrassment and exposure, ask the Gods. If you still want personal interaction ( which will surprise me since the Gods are very helpful) you'll soon know...

*the latest communist...*

It's very possible they are just a YT troll.

Yup. What the_fire_starter said. Before you can learn the Truth, un-learn the lie. Have you dedicated to Father Satan yet?

That's IF we do all of the etc., etc., etc., :)

@... Maybe it's not so complicated. Are you bored with the same partner It's nothing to feel guilty over. Sometimes, folks just need to spice things up a bit. I'm one of those who can't just stay with one. It's just not my nature. Oh, I can LOVE someone until my dying day, sure. But...

But, let me add, the enemy does push veganism for bullshit reasons.

Do you feel it's important?

It's all explained on the templeofzeus.org website.

Some of the most helpful lessons I've learned came through dreams, both from the Gods and the enemy (even though the enemy didn't intend to be helpful)

This is true. Far too many people come to Satan, only thinking of what they might get, never thinking of what they should give. I never really made any progress until I learned to give, in a mutually beneficial relationship kinda way. Since then, I've found the Gods to be MORE THAN...

That's good advice.

Yup, xianity iis a destructive pogrom, for sure. Glad to hear you at least started looking for an answer. Read all of the templeofzeus.org. You just might find what you're looking for.

LOL! ...a mamba warns once before it strikes... XD Awww. That's cute. Look. You were.met with respect. Return it. Nobody here is scared of you. You're not talking with your local, uninformed, superstitious neighbors here. I think Sims' Motal and the Fire_Starter have answered...

Well, it's from secureteam10. Here's what these folks have to say about them https://youtu.be/ZTLqFEJakyc

If you're feeling drawn to Satan, I highly recommend the dedication ritial first, as this will bring you protection against enemy attacks. Afterwards, begin HP Hooded Cobta's 40-day program to empower your soul. It makes it all iinto a simpler, streamlined program and gives you a good start...

A fascinating question. I wish I could answer it. I, too, have asked the Gods similar questions and, I think they tried explaining it I just don't have the vocabulary to grasp the concepts. I hope you get the answer you seek, though and share it with us, too. Hail Father Satan!

@... That second paragraph. Mmmmmm...the energy. :)

Well, thanks to your motivation, I'll do my best to figure it out between me and my GD but I'm sure I'll have other questions. I'm grateful to you.

I still also recommend you go get laid. :)

Only a beginner would even consider it. Note the warning about "karma" and the three-fold-lie.. This is silly wiccan bullshit. Develop your soul through power meditation and all this ritual bs isn't even necessary.

It got through fine, thanks and, even more makes sense now. Even what might seem, to the undedicated, as a contradiction is clearer now, since I'm reminded, people are complicated and, given any given situation, people can hold both sides of an opposing belief. I get it, now. In some ways...

I dug for quite awhile. Can't find it but this keeps happening. My gmail address just doesn't work, ever. Mind just trying again, please?

Might it be something lost in translation?

Howdy. Yes, Satan protects His Dedicated followers. I think you might be amazed. Hail Satan!

Self-talk. You CAM/WILL forget your ex. There are a million things far.more important. You will survive her. Giving your mind new commands will take practice, of course. It might also help you to go out and score some from another woman who understands you're just wanting to get over an...

I never saw any other messages. I get a ton of spam and many things go to my bulk folder. I'll look.

You were very helpful in helping me understand some of the basics of astrology. I still have MUCH to learn, of course and, the path before me is long but, at least you helped me to grasp some if the basics. If you were here right now, I'd hug you and give you a cookie. :) Hail Satan!

@akanimosam First, don't be iin a rush, unless you're capable of handling what you would endure. Secondly, it's all at templeofzeus.org All of it. Study. Hail Satan!

This thread is beautiful. The enemy will try to draw us back to their feeding program, of course. But, every offer they make is a lie. The "love" they offer is just bait. The security and "peace" they offer is just an abdication of your reservation rights. Their "heaven" offered is nothing...

Many come here in error, only to discover Father Satan is really the God they've yearned for, for so long.

@John Benedict Lazarus You need to read the templeofzeus.org website exhaustively and begin empowering your soul.

@sundaychimbor Everything is explained on templeofzeus.org.

It's perfectly normal and a good sign of progress. With continued practice, your mind's eye will grow even more.sharper. You don't have to be in a trance. Just roll with your coming experiences. Fear nothing.

Well, first off, you're causing your own problem here by running your yap. I do this too, sometimes, so I recognize what you're describing. I've learned the hard way to stop giving information to the enemy. Learn to keep things to yourself. Secondly, share some things about meditation with...

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=288 Here's a little more information.on it, which isn't written like crap, although still painfully ignorant.

Apparently, it actually covered quite a large area. Here's something on it http://www.teoti.com/sci-fi-science-spa ... olved.html

Wow. You're not even a dedicated Spiritual Satanist yet and, you're expecting the proof you need to believe to be something as advanced as Demon summoning. The Gods are busy and for you to expect to summon one just to satisfy your arrogant demands. It would not go well, should you even...

I remember that one! She made me giggleshnorrt in laughter.

As long as you're dedicated, trust the Gods to keep you safe, like you would when you were a little kid, that grownups would keep you safe. Also, developing your aura of protection helps here, too. But, more than anything, keep trying. When I first discovered meditation - even before I...

It was there when I first shared it. I don't know what gives.

Well, we do the best we can with text.

Well, your relative didn't dig very deep, then.

Yes, it's perfectly normal to see the body resisting initial efforts at dt. We're so conditioned to take action to achieve anything here on the material plane, it seems antithetical to try inaction as the solution. Be patient with yourself. While relaxing, acknowledge the body's tendency to...

You most certainly can! And, you might be impressed! I've often found, when I ask for help, they've already done the work, even before I ask. They knew I'd be asking, before I did. :) As long as you're sincerely putting in the effort, you'll find them very helpful.

Okay. My apologies.

@j.l3mmon... Seriously, did you not see the "ha-ha" and the smiley-face emoticon? Or are you just wanting to pick another fight and cause more unrest?

@Nick wow. I guess the sad little girl troll is upset? ;)

Some things you can only learn from the Gods and, that, if you're ready and able.

This is also the guy who once asked if jerkhova wasn't real, who makes storms or something stupid like that. I feel drugs are involved, possibly.

Welcome. "Socializing". What's that? You making up words? Ha-ha. :)

No.

Being as clean as you can be is a sign of respect for Father Satan. Just do your best. He knows your heart. As for the incense, I never used any. But, the place I was in when I did.mine was clean, pleasant and free if tobacco smoke. My candle smelled nice, too. There are sometimes...

But their lyrics about the torture and abuse seem to be from the context of what the Christian church has done to Pagans.

The feeling is.mutual. And no, we're both Texicans. :)

@zoalaluckystar the twitching is just your muscles not being used to deep relaxation. You'll adapt, with consistent practice.

You'll find this information on the same templeofzeus.org site where you found the dedication. It's all there.

I'm reasonably certain any "threats" mentioned by our media are just a ploy to keep ratings up and advertising revenue up.

Y'know what Truthis.life40? I'm sorry. It just seems to me, anyone so advanced would already have this knowledge. Perhaps it's your love for your parents holding you back. Maybe you're too young to do what you must.

...or maybe you're just a mega troll...

@...40 So, all 7 of your chakras are open, as well as your psychic hearing AND your shoulder chakras - but - you're unable to solve this? Really? REALLY??!! You don't already know the answer?

Who says nobody has asked them these sorts of questions? I ask them these sorts of things, often, when I'm not dealing with more pressing issues. We're just not ready for certain answers yet. Besides - and I really don't get this part - what if we just don't need to? Now, as for...

@mancunianninja Now, that would explain a lot. Ha-ha. @arizmendisatan Sending your energy up your spine takes a bit of practice but it becomes easier with practice. Visualizations become easier too, with practice. If you're aiming for achieving a certain result via visualization with...

Interesting. What makes it harder to breathe?

bmagnum.arcanum I'm sorry. I mis-read your response. I think it was fatigue from work.@

Is the warrior's dedication necessary if I already live this way?

Okay, well, either you're busy working, magnum.arcanum or, I don't rate a response.

As soon as I'm able, I'll be doing the warrior's dedication too. Just one thing, whoever edits the site might want to change "principals" to "principles." Yes, there's an altogether different meaning.

Did I say something wrong, magnum.arcanum?

As for resources, there are many available here and on Library of Thoth. As for having tour astral senses open, keep at it. But, I'd also recoemd you at least try apologizing to Father Satan. I mean, by "falling back into christinsanity" you DID run back to His enemy. Show Him your...

Glad to hear you're coming to the Truth. You are a work-in-progress. Hail Satan!

@darclon888 First things first. If you've not dedicated yourself to Satan and, you feel so inclined, do so. That's the most important point. If you have, then begin doing the meditations. The JoS site has a lot if information on programming your aura for healing. The Sun square is a bit...

@,junsuina666 I remember what so many here have said a thousand times for beginners; make sure to clean your aura and chakras twice daily and your aura of protection multiple times a day. I can't stress how important these two basic things are. As you continue in doing them, they...

@ipsita Help you with what? Your question is vague. My experience has been Father Satan and the Gods help us to help ourselves.

The planet came into being like all the others, meaning, nobody really knows yet. The other life-forms evolved like they do on other worlds, as did Humanity - as primates. From what I understand, our current state of being happened when the Gods (extraterrestrials) "upgraded" us, for their...

Perhaps it's for the same reason a firmer drug addict, having shaken off his parasites, often feels lonely too.

@dalightskin, I was responding to you having said "I don't like being hated." Make up my mind.

I have not. I don't even see anything in my spam folder. ;(

You couldn't have looked EVERYWHERE when you say you can't find it AFTER I've provided you the link directly to his sigil. Really?

@kyleshand It's simple, really. Any time you deal with black magic and curses, to any degree, clean your aura and chakras, afterwards - and especially if you're then going on to do other, more "positive" workings. At first, cleaning yourself might take some time but, with practice, it gets...

What does the "ruler" mean? And, there are three planets besides the Sun in my house for the Sun sign (amI even reading this right? LOL) Does this mean all three affect me? Thank you.

There's a reason we're advised to keep our secrets. Now, I say this while also being very open but, I've resolved within myself, to pay the price in helping others to hear and see the Truth. If you're willing to pay a similar price, then by all means, continue on. But, for those new, your...

Well, whaddya know. Here iit is on the site http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ml#ABADDON

Yup. Angelic possession, alright.

@khayamcknonm, thank you. I didn't plan to. :)

@SS666, actually, there are.only two or three people here I had in mind. But they're not chiming in.

@mancunianninja I'll just have to keep working at it, I guess.

@centralforce, when I was on a system which I could download it onto, I didn't understand what I was looking at.

@Sepharim "Angels" possess people all the time. To the op, visualize her in white/gold light, whenever you think of her and state positive, helpful affirmations, 20 times daily, for 40 days. Be consistent. Work out the he wo sing of the affirmations beforehand and put it in the pr sent tense...

Meditation is the key here. It's been proven, scientifically, to actually change the Human brain. While the mind is more than the brain, it can be understood a new television would get a better signal than an old, outdated model. If you're Gentile and dedicated, the Gods and Goddesses will...

The_fire_starter nailed it.

*individuals* not "visuals."

I'm hoping to strike some sort of deal with someone here who is very good at reading birthcharts. I do not trust just anyone, though. I'm confident Father Satan will make it so, that one of the one visuals I trust will be the one doing the reading. I trust these individuals for both their...

This is fascinating. Thank you.

Don't be so damn hard on yourself. If you're dedicated and growing, you're hardly useless. Ignore the negative self-talk. It's likely a gray whispering in your ear, so to speak. Focus on the meditations. Hail Father Satan!

Alissa, is it that something is wrong with you or, that you've been manipulated into believing there is? Before you write yourself off as wrong, consider, you just might be surrounded by assholes.

Myself, I chose to dedicate before understanding what it was ALL about, simply because I knew, deep down inside, I've always belonged to Satan. As I've come to be reminded of Truth in this incarnation, it's just gotten better and better. If you feel called, answer. Trust the Gods. Hail...

@fake name, I think she's serious about most things she's saying bt, also trying to use some humor to show sincerity. Could be good. Could be bad. Let's just let her reveal herself, for better or worse.

Alissa, consistent meditation will help you out-grow the sadism. Many of us came to Satan, under mistaken notions, only to discover this really about self-empowerment and freedom and not "being evil."

Well, okay.

That question mark was accidental, I think.

To the op: First, welcome? Hail Satan! Second, the methods by which Father Satan may contact you will very likely be nothing like what Hollywood portrays. And, you never really know what He might have to say, when He does. The very first time I believe I clearly saw His face, He looked...

Well, if she knows and accepts it, she does kind of become an accessory after-the-fact. Kinda. If she knows.

Do the chakras you feel you need. And, as you grow in strength, you'll notice a point when you want to medititate at other points than lying down. But be patient with yourself right now. At first I needed total solitude and quiet then, one day, events turned to where I had none of either...

@centralforce666 about the throat chakra... That makes so much sense and is well put. Thank you.

Well, that's certainly good to know. :)

Leighton, you can go awhile like this, adventuring, undedicated.

Just please keep meditating. Soon, no matter what's thrown at you, you'll just laugh, knowing you are safe, protected and well-loved.

See, the actual mechanics of astrology make sense to me, even though I have trouble explaining it to others. But the nomenclature confuses me, although I am a logophile. Thank you, though. Once, long ago, I put my birth chart up here. I wish I could get a reading.

@the_fire_starter 666 Deep down in my bones I know you're right about this. Still, the guy brought something to the table. BTW, please help me understand what it means to have a YOD in your chart.