The Entity that appeared to Lady Maxine

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

HPZM has said that beings worthy enough of gaining the title of Zeus or other Gods may take that title for themselves and become physical embodiments of the Gods.

The entity that appeared to Lady Maxine, described as a Nordic, was he one of those embodiments? He was specifically described as the leader of the Nordic Orion Empire.

Or did Zeus/Satan appear to Lady Maxine in a form she understood, the stereotipical angel look with blone hair and a white robe?

 

[Ashrast]

HPZM has said that beings worthy enough of gaining the title of Zeus or other Gods may take that title for themselves and become physical embodiments of the Gods.

The entity that appeared to Lady Maxine, described as a Nordic, was he one of those embodiments? He was specifically described as the leader of the Nordic Orion Empire.

Or did Zeus/Satan appear to Lady Maxine in a form she understood, the stereotipical angel look with blone hair and a white robe?

Where did he say this?

 

[Shannon]

Hey, did you listen to the AMA that HP held. It’s on the ToZ YouTube. He said that Zeus is beyond race and more of a cosmological force and that the Hods are behind race, though they have their own physical forms. And that they appear to us in a way that is aligned with who we are/ with our perceptions. Someone asked if Zeus was white and blond and HP said no and hinted that He appeared to Maxine in a way that was relational.

Priest Alexandros also said that race cannot and does not apply to the Gods, and that more information will come out and be updated on the situation.

It was a bit of a surprise to me too but it makes sense.

Of course the different races still are what they are but I think the ToZ is moving away from the old model of race and racial assumptions that was held in order to be truly aligned with the Gods and how they see the people of the world.

 

[Shannon]

Gods are beyond race*** sorry, I typed too fast.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Where did he say this?

Listen from 21 minutes onwards

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Where did he say this?

There’s a bit more context here that HP goes into in the video.

Essentially when you invoke and act like the energetic/spiritual force for a long enough time, you can become a representative of that power, but you aren’t that power itself, even if you are called that power’s name.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Hey, did you listen to the AMA that HP held. It’s on the ToZ YouTube. He said that Zeus is beyond race and more of a cosmological force and that the Hods are behind race, though they have their own physical forms. And that they appear to us in a way that is aligned with who we are/ with our perceptions. Someone asked if Zeus was white and blond and HP said no and hinted that He appeared to Maxine in a way that was relational.

Priest Alexandros also said that race cannot and does not apply to the Gods, and that more information will come out and be updated on the situation.

It was a bit of a surprise to me too but it makes sense.

Of course the different races still are what they are but I think the ToZ is moving away from the old model of race and racial assumptions that was held in order to be truly aligned with the Gods and how they see the people of the world.

Now I understand why HPS Maxine describes a specific Goddess, Artemis/Lerajie, as having black hair and dark, olive-complexioned skin, and I have always seen her astraly as red-haired and fair-skinned, with a very similar appearance to the classic image of Artemis, and that confused alot me for years.

 

[Shannon]

Thank you for clarifying more on this HP.

 

[Shannon]

Makes sense the black members always hated the lines drawed on race since they are the one race more inclined to desire race mixing and have deep complexes towards the white race and inferiority complexes, but I would like a actual stance from the TOZ on racial hygiene since without clear lines on this the white race would go extinct by being outnumbered and suffocated by the machinisms of eesraeli programs, the TOZ also claims the Gods arent white. So if the TOZ have really blurry lines on critical questions, what do you stand for really now? What is not yehubor? Is the TOZ ok? Is my message gonna be approved?

And what exactly are you doing to help your race when it comes to being here with the ToZ? Are you close to the Gods and actively working to manifest their reality on this earth? All of us should be thinking of this.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

https://ancient-forums.com/threads/why-3-races.302287/#post-1153252I wrote here last year how Sirchade looks like a dantesque being and how she trancends any white phenotype, but to my understand Her origin is "white" and former HPS Maxine has stated regarding racial laws Lilith told her "we are nazis" . What is the actual news in the latest news from the TOZ because it was understood blacks and asians etc could apply themselves to the practices aswell for any former period of this organization aswell. Is the message simply Zeus is not merely a Nordic? I believe most advanced members understood this.

The Gods in dreams, or in visions, can appear to anything that is familiar to you. This is why they have SYMBOLS; when Apollo appears, it's sometimes a snake. They can appear as animals, they can appear as symbols.

This is basic PSYCHOLOGICAL language. PSYCHOLOGICAL interpretation also takes place where it comes to seeing FAMILIAR FORM so the mind can IMPART the familiar form. Ie, someone from your tribe, race, or what you consider good or divine in your mind.

Besides this psychological layer, Gods are even more things, cosmological forces etc. This was explained in an AMA about the nature of Zeus. These things exist simultaneously in all layers.

 

[Carnifex Law]

And what exactly are you doing to help your race when it comes to being here with the ToZ? Are you close to the Gods and actively working to manifest their reality on this earth? All of us should be thinking of this.

I donate and do the rituals with religious fervor. And may I say immodestly we are all in our own little missions.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

The op said he hated the narrative on race and you said non white members felt that way too.

The situation is when someone claims that God is Yakub the Big Headed Black Alien, or Satan the Aryan White alien, this is political. It's not consistent with the Ancient Cultures. When the Gods are understood as cultivators of all life and all order, all the arguments of needing Yakub the Black Headed Alien or Satan the Aryan alien, fall into moot.

Because you understand the core culture of the Gods, which simultaneously both supports these two things, MINUS dumb politics. This is when the consciousness expands; you respect yourself, you respect others, ethnicity are preserved, perspectives are preserved and finally humanity uses God not for it's empty politics but to actually grow with this under the guidance of the Gods.

 

[Shannon]

The op said he hated the narrative on race and you said non white members felt that way too.

No, I said many non whites felt the way about the race subject here because we were taught, and or heavily implied, that the white race is closer the Gods and of the Gods genetically, etc, etc and Non whites are kind of just here, and now we are finding out that’s not true.

I was talking about the alienation that non whites felt because of the outdated racial situation.

I think you misunderstood me. That’s why I said this is not about white peoples or you, this is about our relationship with the Gods.

Not all non whites dislike white peoples. I care about them too and they are great. I’m saying I didn’t like the old race topics that were alienating. Even I felt distant from the Gods at some point because of the past comments, from some clergy as well. But that was the past and we are all constantly growing and evolving, the Gods teaching us and making us see the truth.

 

[Shannon]

I donate and do the rituals with religious fervor. And may I say immodestly we are all in our own little missions.

That’s beautiful. I agree on that.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

HPS Maxine always said that our gods have races. What about all the pagan cultures that show the main God(Zeus) as white skin, blues eyes, blonde hair? What about genetics and the relation to the Gods? This is a pretty big retcon HP

Does this also mean that the white race is not a direct descendant of Zeus?

Every culture I have read on the planet, be this Middle Eastern, Asiatic, Greek, Egyptian, European, Vedic; all of them say the Gods created them and that they are their descendants.

As about "My God is blue eyed and bigger than yours" mentalities generated in the 60's, both Louis Farakkhan and HPS Maxine claim that God is exclusively of their own skin race and color. These popularized in the 70's and 80's with ET nonsense based works on Zecharia Stichin and "What types of race these aliens were".

Meanwhile, aeons old Ancient Priesthood and Golden Age Civilizations don't appear to obsess over how these entities looked, or try to write narrative that their "God" is better than "Yours" because of their looks. This vanity only starts in America for the most part. Aristotle, Plato, Golden Age rishis etc, don't appear one inch worried or concerned about the topic. This is just politicization of religion that occurs later. Humans never needed to say "I will not destroy my ethnicity because the Gods have X and Y eye color and yours have Z color".

This arises only after humans completely lost their way; they started to cling for basic realistic laws of existence with politics. Their Gods started needing colors because they no longer knew who they were, or didn't see validity in their existence anymore.

Even if the Gods looked like Octapuses with 8 wings and 350 eyes - this changes nothing about how people must preserve their ethnicity.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Anyway, I have decided I'll make public some things that were supposed to go in the Advanced Philosophy section of ToZ. It appears this is the only solution to explain this topic realistically at this point.

This might stretch some minds way beyond the current perceptions. But it's the truth.

If people still need their particular colored God to take care of them and only of them (or this "claimed Gods" to write for them a volume of genociding their neighborhing Nation because "God said so" - baboonic things), keep advancing, and when you pierce the highest levels you will see what I describe [and what all Ancient highest people described].

Don't be alarmed this is very normal. I give you framework for this also, but don't shoot the messenger. I don't take it personally that the Gods of Creation do not abide by Louis Fahrakkan or whomever else. It's how the universe is designed. As for complaints, issue to the creators, not me.

 

[Netrunner]

Anyway, I have decided I'll make public some things that were supposed to go in the Advanced Philosophy section of ToZ. It appears this is the only solution to explain this topic realistically at this point.

This might stretch some minds way beyond the current perceptions. But it's the truth.

If people still need their particular colored God to take care of them and only of them (or this "claimed Gods" to write for them a volume of genociding their neighborhing Nation because "God said so" - baboonic things), keep advancing, and when you pierce the highest levels you will see what I describe [and what all Ancient highest people described].

Don't be alarmed this is very normal. I give you framework for this also, but don't shoot the messenger. I don't take it personally that the Gods of Creation do not abide by Louis Fahrakkan or whomever else. It's how the universe is designed. As for complaints, issue to the creators, not me.

Personally cant wait for the advanced philosophy literature to be made available

 

[Shannon]

Anyway, I have decided I'll make public some things that were supposed to go in the Advanced Philosophy section of ToZ. It appears this is the only solution to explain this topic realistically at this point.

This might stretch some minds way beyond the current perceptions. But it's the truth.

If people still need their particular colored God to take care of them and only of them (or this "claimed Gods" to write for them a volume of genociding their neighborhing Nation because "God said so" - baboonic things), keep advancing, and when you pierce the highest levels you will see what I describe [and what all Ancient highest people described].

Don't be alarmed this is very normal. I give you framework for this also, but don't shoot the messenger. I don't take it personally that the Gods of Creation do not abide by Louis Fahrakkan or whomever else. It's how the universe is designed. As for complaints, issue to the creators, not me.

I can’t wait to see what you post. I love all the updates ️

 

[Grimryper7]

Anyway, I have decided I'll make public some things that were supposed to go in the Advanced Philosophy section of ToZ. It appears this is the only solution to explain this topic realistically at this point.

This might stretch some minds way beyond the current perceptions. But it's the truth.

If people still need their particular colored God to take care of them and only of them (or this "claimed Gods" to write for them a volume of genociding their neighborhing Nation because "God said so" - baboonic things), keep advancing, and when you pierce the highest levels you will see what I describe [and what all Ancient highest people described].

Don't be alarmed this is very normal. I give you framework for this also, but don't shoot the messenger. I don't take it personally that the Gods of Creation do not abide by Louis Fahrakkan or whomever else. It's how the universe is designed. As for complaints, issue to the creators, not me.

Thank you, look forward to your post on this HP
Now you've got me wondering what the physical forms of the gods look like?

I guess its not the most important thing in the world, if we feel Lady Maxine or you are not entirely accurate on some things, then we should advance and find out on our own directly. I for one don't need the gods to be a certain color, whether it makes me or anyone feel included or excluded, I just want the truth. However I was under the impression that the races have their strengths and weaknesses, and whites being more spiritually strong then others, being they were the closest genetically to Zeus.

 

[Check email please]

Anyway, I have decided I'll make public some things that were supposed to go in the Advanced Philosophy section of ToZ. It appears this is the only solution to explain this topic realistically at this point.

This might stretch some minds way beyond the current perceptions. But it's the truth.

If people still need their particular colored God to take care of them and only of them (or this "claimed Gods" to write for them a volume of genociding their neighborhing Nation because "God said so" - baboonic things), keep advancing, and when you pierce the highest levels you will see what I describe [and what all Ancient highest people described].

Don't be alarmed this is very normal. I give you framework for this also, but don't shoot the messenger. I don't take it personally that the Gods of Creation do not abide by Louis Fahrakkan or whomever else. It's how the universe is designed. As for complaints, issue to the creators, not me.

Thank you so much High Priest we revere the messenger, especially given his rarity and the truth he carries. the same way the name of Gods in ToZ changed compared to JoS, it is normal if more truth is revealed concerning the form, there is nothing extreme about that, the essence is the same, so all is perfect. In fact if one thinks deeply of the matter, thinking the God has strictly blue eyes and is of specific race and so on, is more confusing than what you will reveal. Personally it always confused me for plenty of reasons.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

About making people "all equal" for any political reason, ecc... as HP said, it's against Cosmic Law and against how the Universe operates.

Galaxies, stars, systems, planets, ecc... These are all different. Same with things like cells, atoms and microscopic world. It's easy to have bilions of bilions of these and say that these are all equal, but in reality there are no 2 things that are the exact same.

 

[Emergent13]

No, I said many non whites felt the way about the race subject here because we were taught, and or heavily implied, that the white race is closer the Gods and of the Gods genetically, etc, etc and Non whites are kind of just here, and now we are finding out that’s not true.

With all due respect, I don't think there was ever a serious notion in the ToZ that the white race was superior just because we believed they were the direct descendants of the Gods, as you are suggesting here. It's always stated that the Gods value merit only and treat everyone equally and fairly.

Where are these 'superior', closer to the Gods people, just because of their race? I can't see them anywhere. Where are the Norwegian, Finnish, Danish or Icelandic Zevists? If you spend time in the VT chat, you'll see that there's a significant overrepresentation of Zevists from countries such as Romania, Spain, Greece, Turkey and Italy. I can't see Varg Vikernes here with us. People from these 'superior' birth places are nowhere to be seen around here in Temple of the Gods, really. Now, maybe there is some another way to get closer to the Gods other than their Temple, which I have no knowledge of. Or even better, since these 'superior' people are already closer to the Gods, just because of their race, maybe they don't need to engage in spirituality as much as others, so that's might be the reason why they are seem to be mostly absent here.

As a note: I am not disagreeing with any changes or new information, it's just that I think the Temple was never alienating towards any race, we were always clear on this and respectful, encouraging and welcoming.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Makes sense the black members always hated the lines drawed on race since they are the one race more inclined to desire race mixing and have deep complexes towards the white race and inferiority complexes,

This is very inaccurate on many levels. Historically people of different ethnic backgrounds mixed whenever they were brought to the point of living together in the same communities and territories. When this happens, mixing unavoidably and naturally happens especially when people receive no guidance or education whatsoever, it has nothing to do with any particular group, it is a much bigger and complex phenomenon than saying "x and y race want to outnumber z race".

Also there is no "race" that has complexes of any kind, it's only people as individuals who may express such views and behavior due to past experiences or similar, and they are a very small number out of the whole. The majority of mixed couples did not get together because one of the partners had an "agenda" or something, if this happens it is extremely rare, but they got together because of the reason I mentioned above. It is a problem of culture and education more than anything else.

Nothing about this can be "enforced" but it is something that is up to every individual to learn and understand on their own and practice it.

 

[Carnifex Law]

This is very inaccurate on many levels. Historically people of different ethnic backgrounds mixed whenever they were brought to the point of living together in the same communities and territories. When this happens, mixing unavoidably and naturally happens especially when people receive no guidance or education whatsoever, it has nothing to do with any particular group, it is a much bigger and complex phenomenon than saying "x and y race want to outnumber z race".

Also there is no "race" that has complexes of any kind, it's only people as individuals who may express such views and behavior due to past experiences or similar, and they are a very small number out of the whole. The majority of mixed couples did not get together because one of the partners had an "agenda" or something, if this happens it is extremely rare, but they got together because of the reason I mentioned above. It is a problem of culture and education more than anything else.

Nothing about this can be "enforced" but it is something that is up to every individual to learn and understand on their own and practice it.

It takes two to tango, but i interpreted that way because the way it was worded in this thread it seemed like Shannon was saying non white members hated the way the Toz historically draw the lines on the race question. But Shannon already clarified it for me. And the way I see it and this may seem contreversial I dont think the races have to follow this strict rules of not being allowed to live in the same nations or something like that because it seems the Gods live with many other species and I actually think that can be possible and achievable to have diverse races in a society, but race mixing will eventually cause the white race or asian race to disappear. If certain segments of the poupulation cant control themselves around different races then they are not prepared to ascend anyway. And this is not a demonization of basic urges like feeling lust for a different race, Ive felt lust for black women before this is not the end of the world but controlling your urges shows maturity and I strongly believe engaging in race mixing is a mark of vulgarity.

 

[Lucius Invictus [NG]]

High Priest Zevios Metathronos is very honest about what the ancient top tier souls said: see Xenophanes, a pre-Socratic philosopher, for example.

"....his warning is directed against attributing to the Gods fixed characteristics derived from human limitations and cultural biases. His intent is to encourage mortals to conceive of the divine as it truly is, rather than as one imagines it to be according to one’s own customs and likeness. In essence, Xenophanes’ message here is that what is immortal should not be made mortal."

 

[Carnifex Law]

It takes two to tango, but i interpreted that way because the way it was worded in this thread it seemed like Shannon was saying non white members hated the way the Toz historically draw the lines on the race question. But Shannon already clarified it for me. And the way I see it and this may seem contreversial I dont think the races have to follow this strict rules of not being allowed to live in the same nations or something like that because it seems the Gods live with many other species and I actually think that can be possible and achievable to have diverse races in a society, but race mixing will eventually cause the white race or asian race to disappear. If certain segments of the poupulation cant control themselves around different races then they are not prepared to ascend anyway. And this is not a demonization of basic urges like feeling lust for a different race, Ive felt lust for black women before this is not the end of the world but controlling your urges shows maturity and I strongly believe engaging in race mixing is a mark of vulgarity.

Most of these discussions and questions are developing because of miscommunication and unclear clarifications anyway, very few members disagree with the latest updates from what Ive seen.

 

[Heimdall]

I know there's no such thing as a coincidence, but just the other day I was going over the liturgical terms again on the temple platform and I remembered how HPS Maxine said she met "Satan". I pondered this for a while and then came to the same conclusion that Zeus appears in a myriad of forms according to the person's perception - which is YOU.

 

[Chrysallida]

On the other hand, if you never had a particular cultural background, probably you won't be attached to a certain appearance of a God.
I was reading the new info, and I noticed that maybe it wasn't a problem with my 3rd eye or pineal gland for "not seeing properly" the Gods.
I do see them when I'm focused, but since I never got attached deeply to a particular culture, or a certain God isn't Greek related (for example), it is difficult to address a specific appearance. I have said that I am mixed-race, but I also have cultural background on two completely different countries.

Take Zeus for example, in my mind He can be depicted as a tall blond man, a beard man sitting on a throne, or Shiva style. He could be Thor-like, other appearances. Since I don't have a particular taste, I was getting confused if it is better to picture Him as form A or B. After all this, I've decided to ignore these "issues", gave up deciding if I should picture Him or not. If I see a thunderbolt, I know it's His symbol. The same thing for Egyptian Gods, deciding the "right physical appearance" doesn't please me, some whites saying that they are white, blacks saying that there are black. Thankfully the Gods always showed up in different manners for me, besides the "human form". Good that the new sermon clarified all this.

All that white supremacy made the whites look like exclusive, special on Earth, and there were members at that time (me included, but not participating in the forums) that were displeased with certain members parading around. I have no problem with race, I know it is important, and I'm not against whites protecting their race, blacks restoring their culture, asians preserving theirs.
But the way that some members were acting (there were even some saying disrespectful things to blacks in the old Yahoo group, like put all the blacks from America in a boat and deport them all to Africa) made other members feel bad, inferior, some questioning if they should continue here or not.
Then the activities on the other racial groups in the forum started to grow, and hopefully my brothers and sisters found a place so that wouldn't feel that they didn't belong anymore.

When a member is married to a different race it is one thing to treat them. It is no problem to educate them, to give some advice.
But when white members all started to say that mixed-race people are IQ minus 100, all filled with diseases, that is something else.
I know that there are studies showing some bad stuff showing up in mixed-race descendants, but bad diseases also show up randomly, like genetic errors, incompatible blood types, and in cases of incest.
Some people here weren't aware that their brother or sister could be mixed-race too, and that displaying all the problems didn't help much to motivate them.
At the contrary, depending on the person, showing that info all the time could bring them to depression, making them feel as they were doomed by the Gods or something.

Since the ToZ is in a cleaning and growing state, it is best to remove the dross that was left behind from the past.

 

[Emergent13]

From a month ago I asked HPS Lydia whether the depictions of our Gods by Lady Maxine were only allegories or not and this was her answer.

For the most part, yes they do have a main look, and I have found Lady Maxine's descriptions to be accurate. I have also met more who do not have a description on the ToZ, I write down my experiences so when the time comes to update with more info then I can give that info, as well as others who have seen the Gods.

I don't think what's written here contradicts with the new knowledge either, yes Gods are way bigger than what we assumed before, but they do still have a personality and most of them decided to show themselves as white. I am not going to call this just a coincidence. And no, I am not saying it's something important, just my own interpretation.

All that white supremacy made the whites look like exclusive

There was no white supremacy on this forum. You are imagining things. Can people stop trying to accuse the Temple for the things it didn't do?

With all due respect, I don't think there was ever a serious notion in the ToZ that the white race was superior just because we believed they were the direct descendants of the Gods, as you are suggesting here. It's always stated that the Gods value merit only and treat everyone equally and fairly.

Where are these 'superior', closer to the Gods people, just because of their race? I can't see them anywhere. Where are the Norwegian, Finnish, Danish or Icelandic Zevists? If you spend time in the VT chat, you'll see that there's a significant overrepresentation of Zevists from countries such as Romania, Spain, Greece, Turkey and Italy. I can't see Varg Vikernes here with us. People from these 'superior' birth places are nowhere to be seen around here in Temple of the Gods, really. Now, maybe there is some another way to get closer to the Gods other than their Temple, which I have no knowledge of. Or even better, since these 'superior' people are already closer to the Gods, just because of their race, maybe they don't need to engage in spirituality as much as others, so that's might be the reason why they are seem to be mostly absent here.

As a note: I am not disagreeing with any changes or new information, it's just that I think the Temple was never alienating towards any race, we were always clear on this and respectful, encouraging and welcoming.

We always stated that there is no supremacy of any kind, shape or form.

The Gods - #79919 White Favouritism

It seems unfair the sheer gap of special treatment whites receive. I understand they are of Satan's seed, but the gap if favouritism seems so severe. Like a 100/90, or 100/80 advantage even I can understand, but it feels more like 100/10 or 100/20. It is not at all an equal playing field...

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So please stop imagining things. If at one point in your life you felt inferiority because of your race, or something like that, this was not Temple's fault, it cannot be. This most likely stemmed from yehuborim mental programs. If anything, the Temple gave you the ability to perform magical workings to get rid of any negative mental programmings. How many of these you performed? Most likely, none.

When a member is married to a different race it is one thing to treat them. It is no problem to educate them, to give some advice.
But when white members all started to say that mixed-race people are IQ minus 100, all filled with diseases, that is something else.

No animal race-mixes, it's a biologically harmful act and this is a scientific fact. The way you are trying to depict here, again, never happened in the Temple. We said it's harmful, one must avoid, if one is of mixed-race themselves or have mixed children, we said they are welcome here, they should mediate and take care of their children just like anyone else.

Some people here weren't aware that their brother or sister could be mixed-race too, and that displaying all the problems didn't help much to motivate them.
At the contrary, depending on the person, showing that info all the time could bring them to depression, making them feel as they were doomed by the Gods or something.

Nice imagination again. Firstly, we can't cater to everyone's emotions. A biologically harmful act (therefore spiritually also), is a biologically harmful act, we have a whole website on this and even after knowing all these, if one still engages in a biologically harmful act, they are responsible for the consequences.

With all due respect, I think you should invest in HoO Advanced Purification working.