Sexuality #78370 is doing threesomes allowed?

[sinbad]

Hindus also worship children being born with horrible physical disabilities, like having too many arms and legs or other pieces missing. I wouldn't say that hindus are a good example for most things. Don't even have to mention their sanitation problems or refusing to use toilets.

You focused on and responded to the most trivial and irrelevant part of my entire comment.

You are having tunnel vision.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

I don't have any title here and I don't expect to have any title.

Just as a side tangent, we all have informal rankings and reputations, so there is always something to work towards or uphold, even if it is not directly visible.

 

[Epiphany]

I think any Zevist who has been here for a long time and is valued in the community (you), meaning their words hold weight, should speak on behalf of the Temple to the best of their ability.

I am not saying that the Temple promotes anything specific, but the ethics are very clear: https://templeofzeus.org/life_ethics_sexual.php

Your opinion is your own, and, although you have made that clear now, your original message to OP was not. Therefore, in my opinion, if you are not speaking for the Temple, you are likely speaking contrary to it.

New members look up to you and expect objective advice based on Zevism, not moral relativism.

It's open ended, and doesn't explain the points it made, but other than that I don't see anything wrong or contentious with his post.

group sex is not going to reduce the likelihood of someone settling down in the future

That is not true. Research shows that the more sexual partners someone has, the less likely they are to have a successful, satisfying, stable and long term marriage.

Number 6 in 2023: The Myth of Sexual Experience

For many young adults, single life in American culture has become synonymous with sexual experimentation in both committed romantic dating relationships and casual sexual hook-ups.1 However, new studies continue to show that most single adults in the United States still desire to have a...

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[Pammy]

Nobody could ever convince me that creating a perfect beautiful family is not infinitely more of a spiritual benefit and source of growth in all ways than some degenerate thing like a threesome.


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Cute kids.

The point is that the degeneration you dislike is apparent today because sexuality was oppressed for so long. Approaching sexuality judgmentally is going to backfire. People will feel attacked and oppressed again and they will call for recognition and support. People who don't like this are going to condemn this and demand censorship. An unnecessary fight.

It's open ended, and doesn't explain the points it made, but other than that I don't see anything wrong or contentious with his post.



That is not true. Research shows that the more sexual partners someone has, the less likely they are to have a successful, satisfying, stable and long term marriage.

Number 6 in 2023: The Myth of Sexual Experience

For many young adults, single life in American culture has become synonymous with sexual experimentation in both committed romantic dating relationships and casual sexual hook-ups.1 However, new studies continue to show that most single adults in the United States still desire to have a...

ifstudies.org

I think this is a correlation is not causation kind of example. Person who does not have the skills to have a successful, satisfying, stable long term marriage did not have the skills to have successful, satisfying, stable long-term relationships. Their marriage did not fail because they had many partners but they had many partners because they don't know how to be together with one person. The same things that make them unable to have long stable relationships (cheating, greed, commitment issues, bad habits) made their marriage fail.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You focused on and responded to the most trivial and irrelevant part of my entire comment.

You are having tunnel vision.

Not really. You use hindus doing something as an example that it must be something good if the hindus are doing it. But I can think of many examples of things that hindus do that are disgusting or wrong.

My response to the rest of your comment is I don't agree with you and I don't believe you. As I said that doing actions like these creates karmic forces within the soul which makes it more difficult to form a healthy relationship in the future. I believe your comment was proving my point. There are people who made these mistakes in previous lifetimes or in this lifetime, and now the mental/emotional pair-bonding mechanism has been badly damaged. So now it is very difficult for them to have a healthy relationship because they are now having a very difficult time trying to connect with one person. This is an example of why I say these things are not a good idea, because that is what can happen to you.

 

[Epiphany]

Your opinion is your own, and, although you have made that clear now, your original message to OP was not. Therefore, in my opinion, if you are not speaking for the Temple, you are likely speaking contrary to it.

New members look up to you and expect objective advice based on Zevism, not moral relativism.

Don't forget that the same applies to you and anybody else.

You should quote or reply to posts you're responding to so people know who you're talking to and have context. It makes it easier to follow conversation.

Putting aside any subjective argumentation, let's be real here: are we actually going to discourage a man from having a threesome with two beautful women, provided they are all within the parameters of what constitutes justice, according to Satya (race, health, etc)?

People have a right to be made aware that there can be consequences to their decisions, regardless if they are negative or neutral or otherwise.

One should not be a "yes man" to every idea someone has, it would be unethical not to be realistic and also make them aware of the risks. We also do not know if OP is a man or not, and men and women are fundamentally different, general and universal advice can be given but nuanced advice can also be given based on the individual person. However, this is tangential, as OP's question was specifically regarding ethics.

With non traditional arrangements, one risk is that things can be significantly more messy emotionally than a traditional relationship, and it may be a risk to one's reputation depending on the culture and many other factors, and it can be a risk in other unforseen ways.

If you are single, group sex is not going to reduce the likelihood of someone settling down in the future, and if someone is worried about the energetic exchange between more than one individual, they are at liberty to purify themselves later.

We are free to engage in these things, and as a Zevist, I think implicit remarks about something being unhealthy when you don't actually know if it is, is potentially damaging to someone's natural expression and experience.

The inverse also applies here, implicit remarks about something not being unhealthy when you don't actually know if or how it is(and have not provided evidence to the contrary) is potentially misleading.

To make things clear, I am not "taking sides" here, people have the freedom to live their lives how they choose. But they have a right to know and see things in a different light.

 

[Epiphany]

Person who does not have the skills to have a successful, satisfying, stable long term marriage did not have the skills to have successful, satisfying, stable long-term relationships.

On the other hand, they had lots of practice and it didn't make them any more skilled at having successful long term relationships.

 

[Henu the Great]

Not really. You use hindus doing something as an example that it must be something good if the hindus are doing it. But I can think of many examples of things that hindus do that are disgusting or wrong.

My response to the rest of your comment is I don't agree with you and I don't believe you. As I said that doing actions like these creates karmic forces within the soul which makes it more difficult to form a healthy relationship in the future. I believe your comment was proving my point. There are people who made these mistakes in previous lifetimes or in this lifetime, and now the mental/emotional pair-bonding mechanism has been badly damaged. So now it is very difficult for them to have a healthy relationship because they are now having a very difficult time trying to connect with one person. This is an example of why I say these things are not a good idea, because that is what can happen to you.

You are only speaking for yourself here. Given the context of the original post, the deal is simple: Follow your nature, be free. No amount of disagreement is going to change this.

 

[sinbad]

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Your entire argument stems from a false premise that anything which strays from the "normal" pair bonding styles is inherently "unhealthy".

You don't agree with me nor believe me, which means you don't agree with the Gods nor HP's either, since I am merely paraphrasing what they have said on the topic.

Are succubus' also degenerates in your eyes?

This is either pure projection on your part relating to your own insecurities, or you are excessively conservative and traditional.

 

[GoldenxChild1]

@Epiphany I appreciate your point of view, but you have some misunderstandings (on what I said) that I do not have time to correct.

I will leave it at the Temple Ethics, as they speak for themselves. I value any Zevist's opinion, and everyone is free to express themselves, regardless.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Your entire argument stems from a false premise that anything which strays from the "normal" pair bonding styles is inherently "unhealthy".

You don't agree with me nor believe me, which means you don't agree with the Gods nor HP's either, since I am merely paraphrasing what they have said on the topic.

Are succubus' also degenerates in your eyes?

This is either pure projection on your part relating to your own insecurities, or you are excessively conservative and traditional.

The Gods and High Priests do not care about this. They have more important things to worry about, and something like this is not serious enough for them to care that much about. It is allowed, that is the official position. I never said that it isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is endorsed either or that it is perfectly harmless for everybody.


Alcohol is also allowed here. A small amount of alcohol sometimes is basically harmless. But drinking a bottle of liquor every day is a big problem. People are allowed to make that choice because we have free will.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You are allowed to make your own choice about this and do what you want to do. That is the official position. I never denied that.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

The Gods and High Priests do not care about this. They have more important things to worry about, and something like this is not serious enough for them to care that much about. It is allowed, that is the official position. I never said that it isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is endorsed either or that it is perfectly harmless for everybody.


Alcohol is also allowed here. A small amount of alcohol sometimes is basically harmless. But drinking a bottle of liquor every day is a big problem. People are allowed to make that choice because we have free will.

I should have said this more carefully and I'm sorry for that. I do not mean that they don't care. But you will not see overly strict rules or restrictions about anything except what is absolutely the most serious and most important things. Most things in our lives, the Gods do not have rules or restrictions. Because everybody has a different personality, and because if people want to do something strongly enough, they are going to do it anyway. Overly strict rules about everything in our lives would only have the effect of pushing people away, and The Gods, the High Priests, and all of us here are not trying to push people away. We are trying to bring people here so they can all learn Truth, grow closer together with the Gods, and use this information to improve themselves.

Like how I mentioned there are no strict rules about drugs or alcohol. What happens if these things were completely banned according to our beliefs, but people who had problems with these came here? They might say that the drugs or alcohol are too difficult to let go of, and decide to not stay here. When instead if we say ok, we don't care about that, but come here and please learn from us the tools to heal yourself and improve your life. After some time learning, and some time and effort using these tools, they may be healed enough in the mind and the soul to decide on their own that they do not need or want the drugs or alcohol anymore.

 

[Recycler1337]

In JoS/ToZ it is clearly listed - what is definitely not approved, 100% will harm you, your family, your soul.Everything else - of which there can be 100000000000 million different things and actions between people in the sexual plan - is already a personal matter between you and your partner. Only you and who you do it with can decide whether it is acceptable or not.

 

[sinbad]

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Considering it may potentially anger the Gods, I would say it is relevant.

As you said, it is harmful to some people but not to everybody, which I agree with, and about excesses too.

They turned the natural occurence of homosexuality into a perverted caricature through transgenderism etc., and appealed to those who wouldn't have naturally gravitated towards it on their own, but via social conditioning... and they did the same with sexuality, and memed women who were incompatible with the lifestyle into FOMO, which yes, caused psychological harm to the vast majority of women...

But not every flower in the garden wants to be a rose, either.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Considering it may potentially anger the Gods, I would say it is relevant.

As you said, it is harmful to some people but not to everybody, which I agree with, and about excesses too.

They turned the natural occurence of homosexuality into a perverted caricature through transgenderism etc., and appealed to those who wouldn't have naturally gravitated towards it on their own, but via social conditioning... and they did the same with sexuality, and memed women who were incompatible with the lifestyle into FOMO, which yes, caused psychological harm to the vast majority of women...

But not every flower in the garden wants to be a rose, either.

I never said anything that is anti-sex. You keep trying to use the Gods or High Priests as a way to say I'm wrong, but I have not gone against them. How about actually come up with your own arguments or your own thoughts, because most of what you have said is accusing me of going against the Gods which I am not, or accusing me of having mental/emotional problems which I do not.

I am not anti-sex. I am anti-promiscuity. I think it is not a good thing to be a whore. And I say this for both men and women. You have never seen me say anything that is anti-sex. I hope that everybody will have a perfect marriage with a perfect partner, and have sex as much as you want.

The only thing I have ever said is you need to have high standards, and only be with a perfect quality partner. Don't give yourself away to every worthless loser who walks passed, because what you are giving is a lot more than you realize. Do not be impulsive. Think and plan what you want to do and why. And make good decisions.

And when jews spend literally billions of dollars in all of their media and influence in trying to convince our people to become drug addicted race mixing whores. Or to join only fans and become a prostitute where their pictures and videos are all over the internet and seen by everyone they know, and their lives and reputations are permanently destroyed. Or be a tinder prostitute, have sex with 1,000 different people and not even know who any of them are. There are reasons why porn actresses are usually extremely addicted to drugs and alcohol after, because they are trying to make themselves forget what they did to their lives. Trust me, the jews are not creating and promoting all of these things out of the goodness of their hearts because they want to help us. They are trying to extinct both our people and our civilization. There are hundreds of jewish curses that are specifically aimed to try to turn our people from the great, noble, multifaceted, and powerful people, into becoming just degenerated and diseased whores which jews call shiksa. Almost every time that jews talk about human women, the word shiksa is used to try to curse our people into becoming nothing but prostitutes. Getting drunk and having sex with 5 different people, and in the morning not even knowing who they are, it is not a good life plan. Rabbi Schmuel is very happy to hear about threesomes and orgies and degenerate things, and instead it would give him 6 million heart attacks if he heard about healthy happy marriages, healthy children, and strong families which are the base foundation of a strong civilization. If a man has had sex with 100 people, no high quality woman is going to respect him and want to be with him. If a woman has sex with 100 people, no high quality man is going to respect her and want to be with her. It directly creates situations where, through various reasons and ways, it will be more difficult and eventually maybe impossible to form the highest quality marriage with the highest quality partner, and have the strongest and greatest possible family.

There are reasons why the commumist jews in all of their efforts say that "destroying the nuclear family" is one of their highest and most important goals. It can be seen with many black Americans for example what horrible effects were had after the jew Linden Johnson destroyed most black nuclear families. All of the communist jew organizations list "destruction of the nuclear family" as one of the highest goals, look at BLM saying this. There is nothing in the world that is more helpful and puts people into a greater situation than to be part of a healthy, solid, and strong family, and friendships and relationships between strong families form strong communities, strong states, strong countries, and strong civilizations. Where quality of life is enormously raised for all people who are part of this, everybody in every level is safe and blessed and protected and assisted. The jewish attempts to extinct our people and civilization are in ways that almost all directly try to curse and destroy the foundation of the family for these reasons. You don't need to help the jew's plan be any easier by willingly agreeing to go along with it.


I am not anti-sex and I agree that sex is good and important. I sincerely wish that you will find your absolutely perfect partner, form an absolutely perfect marriage, and have sex as often as you want. And hopefully also raise and educate the healthiest, smartest, and greatest children who are learning from you about the Gods and spiritual things for all of their lives, and your children will also be working towards growing and advancing to eventually become Gods over our world. This is what I wish for everybody. There is nothing anti-sex about this plan or idea.

But I guess the Gods will hate me now because I have committed the absolute most evil sin of saying that being a parent and a spouse as part of a perfect and amazing family is a much greater and more fulfilling position both physically and spiritually, and is a much better idea than being a whore.

 

[Henu the Great]

I never said anything that is anti-sex. You keep trying to use the Gods or High Priests as a way to say I'm wrong, but I have not gone against them. How about actually come up with your own arguments or your own thoughts, because most of what you have said is accusing me of going against the Gods which I am not, or accusing me of having mental/emotional problems which I do not.

I am not anti-sex. I am anti-promiscuity. I think it is not a good thing to be a whore. And I say this for both men and women. You have never seen me say anything that is anti-sex. I hope that everybody will have a perfect marriage with a perfect partner, and have sex as much as you want.

The only thing I have ever said is you need to have high standards, and only be with a perfect quality partner. Don't give yourself away to every worthless loser who walks passed, because what you are giving is a lot more than you realize. Do not be impulsive. Think and plan what you want to do and why. And make good decisions.

And when jews spend literally billions of dollars in all of their media and influence in trying to convince our people to become drug addicted race mixing whores. Or to join only fans and become a prostitute where their pictures and videos are all over the internet and seen by everyone they know, and their lives and reputations are permanently destroyed. Or be a tinder prostitute, have sex with 1,000 different people and not even know who any of them are. There are reasons why porn actresses are usually extremely addicted to drugs and alcohol after, because they are trying to make themselves forget what they did to their lives. Trust me, the jews are not creating and promoting all of these things out of the goodness of their hearts because they want to help us. They are trying to extinct both our people and our civilization. There are hundreds of jewish curses that are specifically aimed to try to turn our people from the great, noble, multifaceted, and powerful people, into becoming just degenerated and diseased whores which jews call shiksa. Almost every time that jews talk about human women, the word shiksa is used to try to curse our people into becoming nothing but prostitutes. Getting drunk and having sex with 5 different people, and in the morning not even knowing who they are, it is not a good life plan. Rabbi Schmuel is very happy to hear about threesomes and orgies and degenerate things, and instead it would give him 6 million heart attacks if he heard about healthy happy marriages, healthy children, and strong families which are the base foundation of a strong civilization. If a man has had sex with 100 people, no high quality woman is going to respect him and want to be with him. If a woman has sex with 100 people, no high quality man is going to respect her and want to be with her. It directly creates situations where, through various reasons and ways, it will be more difficult and eventually maybe impossible to form the highest quality marriage with the highest quality partner, and have the strongest and greatest possible family.

There are reasons why the commumist jews in all of their efforts say that "destroying the nuclear family" is one of their highest and most important goals. It can be seen with many black Americans for example what horrible effects were had after the jew Linden Johnson destroyed most black nuclear families. All of the communist jew organizations list "destruction of the nuclear family" as one of the highest goals, look at BLM saying this. There is nothing in the world that is more helpful and puts people into a greater situation than to be part of a healthy, solid, and strong family, and friendships and relationships between strong families form strong communities, strong states, strong countries, and strong civilizations. Where quality of life is enormously raised for all people who are part of this, everybody in every level is safe and blessed and protected and assisted. The jewish attempts to extinct our people and civilization are in ways that almost all directly try to curse and destroy the foundation of the family for these reasons. You don't need to help the jew's plan be any easier by willingly agreeing to go along with it.


I am not anti-sex and I agree that sex is good and important. I sincerely wish that you will find your absolutely perfect partner, form an absolutely perfect marriage, and have sex as often as you want. And hopefully also raise and educate the healthiest, smartest, and greatest children who are learning from you about the Gods and spiritual things for all of their lives, and your children will also be working towards growing and advancing to eventually become Gods over our world. This is what I wish for everybody. There is nothing anti-sex about this plan or idea.

But I guess the Gods will hate me now because I have committed the absolute most evil sin of saying that being a parent and a spouse as part of a perfect and amazing family is a much greater and more fulfilling position both physically and spiritually, and is a much better idea than being a whore.

You were the first one to bring whores and such to this topic. No one else mentioned them... Learn the difference, maybe...

 

[sinbad]

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The first paragraph just tells me, once again, you are projecting. It is *you* who is outsourcing your thinking to some half-baked studies about pair-bonding instead of using your own critical thinking except of most surface level 2D analysis.

You are talking about examples of literally top tier comic book levels of promiscuity - no one is talking about that. But the fact you keep bringing it up, which Henu has also observed, suggests it is a sensitive topic for you and this thread has clearly triggered a sore spot.

Which is understandable, given the situation. But the J3ws have also promoted capitalism to an extreme degree, and turned a good thing (hardwork, productivity) into something borg-like, to keep people away from building families and to being corporate slaves. Said traits are ALSO what produce the grandest of civilisations. Just because they promote it, doesn't mean the core behaviour is bad, but to an extreme and distorted state, then yes, obviously.

Forced monogamy ONLY, well we have seen with Xianity already what happens - and it ironically produces even more "whores" via allergic reaction to repression. These things can be good, or bad, depending on their application, motive, and other factors.

If there are strong, viril men, it is even less likely monogamy is sustainable as the only option. Since young masculine men aren't as obsessed with monogamy as their beta male counterparts.

Monogamy is overall good for civilisation building, but to apply it to everyone, this is too idealistic and divorced from reality, and human nature, to create an efficient and functional long-term society.

Also, some people are really not built for raising children, and would've been better off without, instead of creating a unnecessary heartbreak and psychological damage.

Some people have no reason to have kids, and would only slow them down. They can do far more for the Gods, and humanity, without.

No good trying to fit everyone into the same cookie cutter mould.

 

[krysalis88]

We are forgetting that threesomes can also happen with a married person with more than one spouse and it probably wasn't unusual back then. It is all about the nature of the people involved, monogamy isn't supposed to be a rule to be followed by everyone. Forced monogamy is not different than to be forced to be straight if the person is homosexual. Sadly, all these things were distorted by the jews and adding it to a sexually repressed society (that survived the middle ages and such) brought disaster afterwards. The truth is that most people are confused about themselves, don't know what they really like and simply go after what other people do to try to fit in. Since most are purely materialistic and clueless about real spirituality, they think that the most important thing to go after in life is get a lot of easy money fast (and waste it with useless stuff). The people that actually teaches sex related to spiritual practices aren't even noticed.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

Think about someone who has Venus in Aquarius. This person would likely actually benefit directly from having multiple partners, such as if they would quickly build up a network of friends or allies through their ability to bond quickly and with many people.

Imagine further if this person was a dedicated Zevist and was being guided by the Gods to achieve a goal that relates to this, then one of us tells them outright that a threesome will hurt you and should not be done, leading to confusion and a loss of potential for that person.

Yes, the person with Venus in Scorpio would likely not want a threesome, instead preferring to focus on a single partner in an intense way. In both situations, we see different structures of the soul present for pair bonding, therefore we cannot apply blanket advice either way.

Further, we cannot make broad sweeps in our conclusions, such that we believe allowing or accepting one person to experiment with a threesome threatens our own ability to find a partner. People who benefit from monogamy or other more traditional styles of romance should also be supported in their own way, because this would benefit society overall, but so would allowing nontraditional forms to pursue their paths as well.

 

[Pammy]

Think about someone who has Venus in Aquarius. This person would likely actually benefit directly from having multiple partners, such as if they would quickly build up a network of friends or allies through their ability to bond quickly and with many people.

Forced monogamy is a christian thing and allowing only men to have sexual freedom is a muslim thing. Countless different marriage and relationship traditions have been found in places where neither of these two ever reached.

Among the Kamchadales, Chukchee, Jukagiers and Tunguses of North Asia the girls have pre-marital liberty, and there exists no marital fidelity. W. Bogoras (p. 602) describes "group marriage" among the Chukchee, which seems to be an institution similar to the Australian pirauru. There are groups, consisting of up to ten men or women, that have the right to sexual intercourse with each other; "but this right is comparatively rarely taken advantage of, only when a man has for some reason to visit the camp of one of his group companions. The host then gives up to him his place in the sleeping room, and if possible leaves the house for the night, going, for instance, to his flock. Afterwards the host generally seeks an opportunity of returning the visit, so as to exercise his rights in turn." The sex communities are generally composed of neighbours and friends. The offspring of brothers and sisters in the second and third generations are, as a rule, united in the same sex community, but not brothers. Bogoras thinks that the communities were originally limited to members of a group who were related, and were only later extended to other people; the ceremonies at the formation of a group seem to imply this. The persons concerned bring sacrifices and anoint themselves with blood, first in the one and then in the other camp. The admission into a group of persons who greatly diverge from each other in age is not welcomed, and single men are also not willingly admitted. The inhabitants of one and the same camp[Pg 32] are seldom willing to form a sex community, for reciprocal relationship is intended as an exception rather than the rule, though there are deviations from this rule. Every individual family of the Chukchee belongs in practice to some sex community. Should a family keep to themselves, it would indicate that they had no friends and no protectors in time of need. The children of members of a sex community are reckoned as near blood relations, and may not marry one another.

Sexual Life of Primitive People

In some primitive races, the book mentions, if a woman gets pregnant from a pre-marital relationship and the father of the baby does not step up, the woman will be a good candidate for marriage because her fertility is proven and she will be bringing extra hands to help the household. In other tribes or regions, this is seen as a shame and people resort to abortion.

 

[HailVictory88]

Most problems have simple solutions. Most men don't have to worry about this as they're not going to have sex anyway. And women won't care as long as it turns them on, the only issue will be convincing Tyrone and Jamal that it isn't gay.