Death spell, justice, disrespect

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

However, what I noticed here, was this strange fear of the excessive end of the scale.
On the other hand, very few people advocated strongly that too little is just as bad as too much.
That means, we have to wait, let our rage quell and consider the whole situation from both sides.
And be a just judge first, and not a furious executioner.

For to be a furious executioner first, that is surely a path to regret.

This is true, and this is partly where I agree with Dahaarkan, but I think the problem is the methods used for finding justice.
As you mention, it is not easy to balance action and inaction, but some strategies are worse than others. Like all things, we must continually refine ourselves.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

For example, I no longer curse people at all myself [except of the enemy] because this will come at devastating damage, and one must always seek a form of proportion, because the laws of the universe are intact and I don't want to cause problems to other creatures for symptoms like present day stupidity. This to you will look like pacifism, but it's the opposite of pacifism, that is the power to move towards justice and away from pointless reaction.

What do you think about my theory about the use of Tiwaz? Wouldn't the use of that energy seek justice in a manner that avoids at least the majority of this kind of backlash? This assumes one's behavior and intentions are oriented towards some semblance of justice.

Otherwise, my other idea would be to try to set up some form of cooperative effort with Andras, now that we can directly give him something in return. Then he can handle the ethical side of this. I suppose the same could be said with other Gods, as well.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

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For example, I no longer curse people at all myself [except of the enemy] because this will come at devastating damage, and one must always seek a form of proportion, because the laws of the universe are intact and I don't want to cause problems to other creatures for symptoms like present day stupidity. This to you will look like pacifism, but it's the opposite of pacifism, that is the power to move towards justice and away from pointless reaction.

What do you think about my theory about the use of Tiwaz? Wouldn't the use of that energy seek justice in a manner that avoids at least the majority of this kind of backlash? This assumes one's behavior and intentions are oriented towards some semblance of justice.

Otherwise, my other idea would be to try to set up some form of cooperative effort with Andras, now that we can directly give him something in return. Then he can handle the ethical side of this. I suppose the same could be said with other Gods, as well.

The Tiwaz is essentially if you fire one bullet at something, you will get 1 bullet back.

If one is uncertain, then yes, the Gods themselves can be petitioned, and they will deliver accordingly, but the Gods must not be invoked for lightweight nonsense such as someone throwing one's ice cream down or a couple of verbal insults etc.

 

[Jrvan]

Let's be honest and try to imagine the kind of people who would shoot someone in the head for verbally disrespecting them. The image that comes to mind for me is basically some psycho thug or gang boss, very degenerate characters. Is that really the kind of person you want to be?

Everyone has a different code and principles, but it's normal for anyone here to be alarmed and to discourage this level of reaction to something like this. A thread was made to ask, after all. Think of your future, the person you want to be, and ask yourself if you will be comfortable with yourself in the future if you killed someone in reaction to their words. Does that really seem like proportionate justice to you? If yes then you do you, I guess. Just know that most sensible people would call it overkill.

 

[blueFlame666]

Learn better to set boundaries, learn to tell the other person that I don't allow you, you are not allowed to behave like this towards me, in your own words.

And I really wonder if you're not capable of making someone shut up, what makes you think you might have the power for a death spell?
It makes me wonder ....

If something annoys you , you say it , you speak it.
If not that moment the next appropriate one.
You don't hold it for an unknown reason for centuries.

 

[SaqqaraNox]

When harm is done to us, our suffering can become such that we struggle to see beyond the pain.

Only you know your pain and its depth.

But do not allow your emotions to cloud your judgment. You must consider your situation from the most detached point of view possible.

Do you seek their death for justice? Do you want them dead so that they will never hurt you again?

You must learn to recognize whether their death is a congruous measure of their actions on you.

You would want to kill them for all their psychological anguish. But if they had done something much worse, what would you have done? If they had killed a person you loved, how would you take justice?

Every decision you make will have consequences, sometimes incalculable ones. Be aware of this.

Either way, they have harmed you, and this must not go unpunished.

I am not here to tell you what you should or should not do, I just wish you would not make any hasty decisions that you might truly regret.

The final decision is up to you. The important thing is that you are okay afterwards.

 

[Karnonnos]

I do want to clarify here, when I said 'verbal abuse can be as bad as being punched in the face', what I mean is scenarios like:

- Someone who spreads lies about you, your reputation and whatever else, systematically and maliciously, for their own gratification or shekels. I mean beyond teenage drama here, something serious and libellous, like claiming you're a rapist falsely or something.
- Someone who grinds you down over and over again in a situation you can't avoid (i.e. family) in order to manipulate and destroy you, maliciously. This does not apply to a situation where you are also instigating.
- Someone who suddenly explodes with insults and attacks you (likely physically) after treating you kindly for however long in order to imprison you by lovebombing 90 percent of the time and breaking your shin bone 10 percent of the time. This especially happens to women.
- Someone who betrays you to mobs on places like twitter for violating woke codes or reports you to the local commissar to be harvested.

I do not mean someone who insults you or damages your fragile ego, many love relationships in particular start out as acrimonious and even insulting between the partners (not talking about domestic abuse here, I mean this behavior as part of courtship). Shakespeare, Sophocles and many great writers acknowledged this themselves.

The fact people raised by phones and tablets who are socially immature try to dance around this stage and nullify it out of existence to make their immaculate fee fees feel better is making the world completely miserable. Men and women always have an 'eww cooties' and 'ick' stage, that is just part of oppositional energy. People's basic inability to get beyond this stage is making them developmentally retarded.

Also, men themselves also often forged friendships by... fighting initially, including physically. The problem with this is that we now live in a place and time where foreign psychos will arm themselves with knives and uzis from the get go to protect their ego. In addition, real fighting to sort things out is demonized excessively as some trinket of toxicity and privilege by hag feminists, while an adult 270lb male lighting up a 2 year old in a stroller with bullets for offending their 'honor' is seen as 'a diverse, communal and educational experience of the subaltern zones we can all learn from'.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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It's one thing to be criticized, it's another to be humiliated, degraded and made to feel worthless. I was under the impression the latter is what the OP was talking about.

I can agree that my philosophy of allowing rage to flow in full intensity in these cases is misguided and I was wrong about this.


I will never agree to the philosophy that one should ignore and tolerate verbal abuse, however. The idea that "words" can't be harmful to the mind and should be tolerated and ignored is completely false.

If you harass a person on a constant basis, and mentally destroy them by dismantling their sense of self worth and self esteem until they kill themselves, and then you blame the victim for this, this is pure insanity.

I'm not talking about being called a loser online or someone saying you're ugly on the streets. I'm talking about real constant mental abuse that can destroy a person's mind when done for long enough. When you fill a person's mind with feelings and thoughts of self worthlessness, self hate and such, the mind begins to affirm these thoughts and they will manifest negatively and begin to do real harm to the person.

So yes, verbal abuse at a certain point does become a serious problem, which in severe cases should be met with punishment. I think it's wrong to seek advice on this matter specifically, because one may be pushed to either extreme as was seen on this thread, some pushing for an extreme response, and others pushing for no response at all.

And neither extreme is healthy. Hence why I say one has to reflect and decide for themself what is the correct response to the abuse received.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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As we saw from HPHC's recent post, it is not easy to achieve true justice.

Yes, I agree that the situation you describe demands a response of sorts. At the same time, care has to be taken to select the right punishment (in the of retroactively applying justice). NakedPluto was concerned that you were pushing the victim to do an excessive response, which can happen in the case of high emotions.

I assume the OP is currently safe and free from this trauma. There is a difference between using energy to block/reverse negativity onto an attacker versus sending a death curse 10 years later. Tiwaz can be used to achieve a degree of fairness/justice, but again this is different from a full court proceeding.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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As we saw from HPHC's recent post, it is not easy to achieve true justice.

Yes, I agree that the situation you describe demands a response of sorts. At the same time, care has to be taken to select the right punishment (in the of retroactively applying justice). NakedPluto was concerned that you were pushing the victim to do an excessive response, which can happen in the case of high emotions.

I assume the OP is currently safe and free from this trauma. There is a difference between using energy to block/reverse negativity onto an attacker versus sending a death curse 10 years later. Tiwaz can be used to achieve a degree of fairness/justice, but again this is different from a full court proceeding.

Then one should start writing responses based on what is actually being said rather than what one "thinks" was said. Because this is why things get derailed and off topic.

Even if I've biased views on how one should manage anger specifically, I did not at any point encourage death spells against minor offenses, and neither did I suggest lethal solutions to every problem.

 

[Jrvan]

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As we saw from HPHC's recent post, it is not easy to achieve true justice.

Yes, I agree that the situation you describe demands a response of sorts. At the same time, care has to be taken to select the right punishment (in the of retroactively applying justice). NakedPluto was concerned that you were pushing the victim to do an excessive response, which can happen in the case of high emotions.

I assume the OP is currently safe and free from this trauma. There is a difference between using energy to block/reverse negativity onto an attacker versus sending a death curse 10 years later. Tiwaz can be used to achieve a degree of fairness/justice, but again this is different from a full court proceeding.

Then one should start writing responses based on what is actually being said rather than what one "thinks" was said. Because this is why things get derailed and off topic.

Even if I've biased views on how one should manage anger specifically, I did not at any point encourage death spells against minor offenses, and neither did I suggest lethal solutions to every problem.

It's the context which is important to consider. The OP was specifically asking about death spells. Then there are also others to consider who will read this post and your replies, and may assume you are encouraging them to do what the OP was asking about (death spell for being disrespected) and telling them there is something wrong with them if they don't. That could lead to new impressionable SS getting hurt if they try something like this, and that's the minimal of the risk which is really bad and just the beginning. Death spells are advanced, it takes a lot of energy to kill someone, and you need to know exactly what you are doing with a lot of experience. And then there's the justice aspect of it which was also asked for discussion, which we have been discussing.

Like I said, it's important to consider the context in which your words are being applied. If you meant it in an isolated way from the main post then it might have been good to clarify that, or otherwise to make a new topic that isn't a reply.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Then one should start writing responses based on what is actually being said rather than what one "thinks" was said. Because this is why things get derailed and off topic.

Even if I've biased views on how one should manage anger specifically, I did not at any point encourage death spells against minor offenses, and neither did I suggest lethal solutions to every problem.

It was mainly what you said here which had caused these assumptions about what you were suggesting to be done:

"If he feels that a death spell is the appropriate response to the abuse suffered that is his prerogative as the victim of the abuse, he knows better than you or me how that abuse has affected him."

So yes, I agree that you did not specifically suggest a death spell, but I think you removed some of the restraint around its use. I don't think you had bad intentions, but you can see how these arguments spiral out of control.

As a result of this discussion, including HPHC's input, I believe self-defense can be used with less restraint, but the full application of justice itself (going beyond the initial fight) should involve more thought and restraint.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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As we saw from HPHC's recent post, it is not easy to achieve true justice.

Yes, I agree that the situation you describe demands a response of sorts. At the same time, care has to be taken to select the right punishment (in the of retroactively applying justice). NakedPluto was concerned that you were pushing the victim to do an excessive response, which can happen in the case of high emotions.

I assume the OP is currently safe and free from this trauma. There is a difference between using energy to block/reverse negativity onto an attacker versus sending a death curse 10 years later. Tiwaz can be used to achieve a degree of fairness/justice, but again this is different from a full court proceeding.

Then one should start writing responses based on what is actually being said rather than what one "thinks" was said. Because this is why things get derailed and off topic.

Even if I've biased views on how one should manage anger specifically, I did not at any point encourage death spells against minor offenses, and neither did I suggest lethal solutions to every problem.

It's the context which is important to consider. The OP was specifically asking about death spells. Then there are also others to consider who will read this post and your replies, and may assume you are encouraging them to do what the OP was asking about (death spell for being disrespected) and telling them there is something wrong with them if they don't. That could lead to new impressionable SS getting hurt if they try something like this, and that's the minimal of the risk which is really bad and just the beginning. Death spells are advanced, it takes a lot of energy to kill someone, and you need to know exactly what you are doing with a lot of experience. And then there's the justice aspect of it which was also asked for discussion, which we have been discussing.

Like I said, it's important to consider the context in which your words are being applied. If you meant it in an isolated way from the main post then it might have been good to clarify that, or otherwise to make a new topic that isn't a reply.

Intense curses require intense and focused intent and desire. This desire comes from the level of abuse received.

This is what I mean by "if you're angry, they did something to warrant it". The level of damage done to the abuser is heavily influenced and to some extent proportional to how intense your anger and hatred is. Anger and hatred which is based on the level/amount of abuse received.


If you do a "death spell" on someone who was only a minor annoyance to you, it will fail and have very minor manifestations (damage) or none at all. You are all acting as if this person could do a death spell and instantly kill anybody. They already exhibit doubts which would have dismantled the working anyway. But venting and directing that negativity at their abusers would have been good for them anyway. The emotion is what helps you to focus and direct the pestilent energy, and if the emotion/intent isn't strong enough it will not work.

For someone to develop such intense anger and hatred, their abusers must have done some truly horrible things to warrant this. One has to be severely mentally ill to develop such intense hatred over minor offenses. So in a vast majority of cases I do believe this is something that naturally sorts itself out and people should just do what they feel is the right way to answer abuse with spiritual means.

You guys over complicate things that are quite simple. After reaching certain levels of power one has to be more delicate with one's emotion and the way this can direct energy subconsciously but this is the exception, and if you're making posts asking for advice about these things you are not a part of that exception yet. So I don't even think the OP could pull it off anyway.


The point is the OP must fling back the negativity built up from the abuse to clear up this hangup. If they think a death spell is the way to go, let them do it in my opinion. If it turns out that it was an excessive punishment, this is naturally cancelled out by their lack of commitment, insufficient hatred and intent, and will manifest less severe effects, but enough to where one may become satisfied and feels the debt is paid, clearing the hangup and moving on.

You see, many times things work themselves out naturally if one goes with the natural flow of things and listens to one's instincts. When you over complicate and overthink, you may end up getting even more lost.


I remember several years ago when I was starting out spiritually there was a guy who harassed me on an almost daily basis, and while it wasn't extremely severe, it did cause me a lot of stress and frustration, and I ended up trying to pull a death spell on this person which was an excessive measure. He ended up having a work-related accident a few months later and getting a severe lifelong injury to one of his hands, to which I was satisfied and was a fair penalty.

If I had done nothing instead, I may still have carried this hangup to this day. So yes, in my opinion and experience, one should act upon abuse and go with what one feels is the fair punishment. Even if one is attempting to do more than is necessary, one's level of hatred is proportional to the level of abuse received. And the intensity of that hatred will influence the outcome of one's curse, and will end up manifesting in something that is fair and just.

 

[Jrvan]

Then one should start writing responses based on what is actually being said rather than what one "thinks" was said. Because this is why things get derailed and off topic.

Even if I've biased views on how one should manage anger specifically, I did not at any point encourage death spells against minor offenses, and neither did I suggest lethal solutions to every problem.

It's the context which is important to consider. The OP was specifically asking about death spells. Then there are also others to consider who will read this post and your replies, and may assume you are encouraging them to do what the OP was asking about (death spell for being disrespected) and telling them there is something wrong with them if they don't. That could lead to new impressionable SS getting hurt if they try something like this, and that's the minimal of the risk which is really bad and just the beginning. Death spells are advanced, it takes a lot of energy to kill someone, and you need to know exactly what you are doing with a lot of experience. And then there's the justice aspect of it which was also asked for discussion, which we have been discussing.

Like I said, it's important to consider the context in which your words are being applied. If you meant it in an isolated way from the main post then it might have been good to clarify that, or otherwise to make a new topic that isn't a reply.

Intense curses require intense and focused intent and desire. This desire comes from the level of abuse received.

This is what I mean by "if you're angry, they did something to warrant it". The level of damage done to the abuser is heavily influenced and to some extent proportional to how intense your anger and hatred is. Anger and hatred which is based on the level/amount of abuse received.


If you do a "death spell" on someone who was only a minor annoyance to you, it will fail and have very minor manifestations (damage) or none at all. You are all acting as if this person could do a death spell and instantly kill anybody. They already exhibit doubts which would have dismantled the working anyway. But venting and directing that negativity at their abusers would have been good for them anyway. The emotion is what helps you to focus and direct the pestilent energy, and if the emotion/intent isn't strong enough it will not work.

For someone to develop such intense anger and hatred, their abusers must have done some truly horrible things to warrant this. One has to be severely mentally ill to develop such intense hatred over minor offenses. So in a vast majority of cases I do believe this is something that naturally sorts itself out and people should just do what they feel is the right way to answer abuse with spiritual means.

You guys over complicate things that are quite simple. After reaching certain levels of power one has to be more delicate with one's emotion and the way this can direct energy subconsciously but this is the exception, and if you're making posts asking for advice about these things you are not a part of that exception yet. So I don't even think the OP could pull it off anyway.


The point is the OP must fling back the negativity built up from the abuse to clear up this hangup. If they think a death spell is the way to go, let them do it in my opinion. If it turns out that it was an excessive punishment, this is naturally cancelled out by their lack of commitment, insufficient hatred and intent, and will manifest less severe effects, but enough to where one may become satisfied and feels the debt is paid, clearing the hangup and moving on.

You see, many times things work themselves out naturally if one goes with the natural flow of things and listens to one's instincts. When you over complicate and overthink, you may end up getting even more lost.


I remember several years ago when I was starting out spiritually there was a guy who harassed me on an almost daily basis, and while it wasn't extremely severe, it did cause me a lot of stress and frustration, and I ended up trying to pull a death spell on this person which was an excessive measure. He ended up having a work-related accident a few months later and getting a severe lifelong injury to one of his hands, to which I was satisfied and was a fair penalty.

If I had done nothing instead, I may still have carried this hangup to this day. So yes, in my opinion and experience, one should act upon abuse and go with what one feels is the fair punishment. Even if one is attempting to do more than is necessary, one's level of hatred is proportional to the level of abuse received. And the intensity of that hatred will influence the outcome of one's curse, and will end up manifesting in something that is fair and just.

That's not necessarily true at all. There's no innate energy regulator that operates according to some vague sense of balance. If someone goes overboard then that's their will, and there's no safety margins to protect themselves and/or their target. If someone programs death energy and wills it into their target consistently over the course of many months then that person is going to die much sooner than they otherwise would have, and the programmed energy is bound to manifest an outcome. Then everyone has to live with it including the consequences. The degree of emotion and intensity doesn't really factor in as much as you think it does with this. It's not that emotions and emotional energy aren't powerful, but this has to do with death energy, and not emotional energy.

Venting emotions can cause an effect when the bioelectricity is high enough, and this as you say is plenty enough for these less serious cases. I would say working with death energy is for specific cases, and it's not my business to elaborate on situations where that would be appropriate.

 

[General Yeager]

People do not understand the mass carnage a Spiritual Satanist who has a regular power meditation program can cause. Inthe beginning stages of development, ones ego isn't refined enough and ones Focus and control over his emotions and thoughts is not strong enough.

There was a striking example in my life personally about a woman who I had a fight with. I verbally told her with intense anger that she would achieve nothing in her life and that everything would go wrong for her leading her to ruin.

I forgot about that incident. But after a year she messaged me crying that everything that I'd said had come to manifest.

Her boyfriend cheated on her. She lost all of her job opportunities and was fired from her job. She developed a confrontational relationship with her parents and her friends were outcasting her.

She begged for me to forgive her and somehow she was certain that my words had caused all of it. I literally had forgotten about that exchange. And so I forgave her and everything in her life started going well again.

Black Magick needs discernment ,focus and tact. Of which one must develop and train in. The spells can backfire ,not be effective or cause mass carnage or unintended effects.

The suffering one had gone through must not be sidelined. But you should strategically think about and train for the response with a logical mind.

Develop focus and power first. Then strategically retaliate.

 

[Jrvan]

Mass carnage... I don't think so. That's far-fetched.

 

[Dahaarkan]

That's not necessarily true at all. There's no innate energy regulator that operates according to some vague sense of balance. If someone goes overboard then that's their will, and there's no safety margins to protect themselves and/or their target. If someone programs death energy and wills it into their target consistently over the course of many months then that person is going to die much sooner than they otherwise would have, and the programmed energy is bound to manifest an outcome. Then everyone has to live with it including the consequences. The degree of emotion and intensity doesn't really factor in as much as you think it does with this. It's not that emotions and emotional energy aren't powerful, but this has to do with death energy, and not emotional energy.

Venting emotions can cause an effect when the bioelectricity is high enough, and this as you say is plenty enough for these less serious cases. I would say working with death energy is for specific cases, and it's not my business to elaborate on situations where that would be appropriate.

You misunderstand me, the emotion is not the source of the energy but it is a key component in focusing and directing it properly. You can raise all the pestilent energy in the world, if you are not entirely committed and focused on the goal of the total destruction of your target, the energy will dissipate and fail to reach them in full intensity, in other words, the energy will not be programmed properly if one lacks the emotional intensity to help "justify" it in one's mind. The spell would be vastly diminished, or in most cases would have no effect at all.

If you perform a death spell on someone and you do not have a very deep hatred for them, or worse if you are having back and forth doubts of whether or not this is true justice, the spell will fail.

This is true for any magickal working, 100% intent and desire is required to direct energies towards an outcome properly. In the case of black magick, negative emotion towards the target plays a large part in focusing and directing these energies. Raising the energy is one step, if you do not focus and direct it, it is wasted and the spell fails. In the death spell page in JoS the focusing of all one's hatred for the target is listed as a necessary step. The term "imperative" is also used so it does play a more important role than you think. Doubt me all you want but do consult the JoS website before arguing about these things dude.

You seem to be a more positive person as a whole, so I don't imagine you do a whole lot of cursing, and this is totally fine. But don't just assume that I'm talking out of my ass here.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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You misunderstand me, the emotion is not the source of the energy but it is a key component in focusing and directing it properly. You can raise all the pestilent energy in the world, if you are not entirely committed and focused on the goal of the total destruction of your target, the energy will dissipate and fail to reach them in full intensity, in other words, the energy will not be programmed properly if one lacks the emotional intensity to help "justify" it in one's mind. The spell would be vastly diminished, or in most cases would have no effect at all.

If you perform a death spell on someone and you do not have a very deep hatred for them, or worse if you are having back and forth doubts of whether or not this is true justice, the spell will fail.

The intention and focus is the key part. You do not have to be necessarily seething with rage. This complements the destructive element, but it does not break the working if you are not actively boiling in anger. I think we are on the same page, but I would not stay the working itself will be literally broken, just weakened.

"In my own workings, I have found one does not have to get overly emotional. Just a strong determined will, and directing anger into a specific event, for example a specific type of accident, over and over."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Poppit.html

"I also want to add, most popular writings will instruct you to raise as much emotion, such as anger and hatred as possible. Again, this is ok, but not necessary. What is necessary are the strength of your own soul, your will and directing the energy."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/ThreeSteps.html

 

[Dahaarkan]

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You misunderstand me, the emotion is not the source of the energy but it is a key component in focusing and directing it properly. You can raise all the pestilent energy in the world, if you are not entirely committed and focused on the goal of the total destruction of your target, the energy will dissipate and fail to reach them in full intensity, in other words, the energy will not be programmed properly if one lacks the emotional intensity to help "justify" it in one's mind. The spell would be vastly diminished, or in most cases would have no effect at all.

If you perform a death spell on someone and you do not have a very deep hatred for them, or worse if you are having back and forth doubts of whether or not this is true justice, the spell will fail.

The intention and focus is the key part. You do not have to be necessarily seething with rage. This complements the destructive element, but it does not break the working if you are not actively boiling in anger. I think we are on the same page, but I would not stay the working itself will be literally broken, just weakened.

"In my own workings, I have found one does not have to get overly emotional. Just a strong determined will, and directing anger into a specific event, for example a specific type of accident, over and over."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Poppit.html

"I also want to add, most popular writings will instruct you to raise as much emotion, such as anger and hatred as possible. Again, this is ok, but not necessary. What is necessary are the strength of your own soul, your will and directing the energy."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/ThreeSteps.html

In my experience it would, and it has. Magickal workings are very delicate and in my experience any doubt or break in focus will severely cripple it or in most cases dismantle it completely.

An intense hatred is a huge help in keeping one focused on the destruction of an enemy, and this is a double edged sword because if hatred for the enemy isn't enough, doubts of the working's necessity come to mind and work against it.


If a person has reached a point of mental resilience where emotions cannot sway them one way or the other, then at that point yes, it's no longer a factor at all. But at person at this stage isn't having overreactions to minor offenses, and the above does not apply to them.

 

[Draconi666]

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You misunderstand me, the emotion is not the source of the energy but it is a key component in focusing and directing it properly. You can raise all the pestilent energy in the world, if you are not entirely committed and focused on the goal of the total destruction of your target, the energy will dissipate and fail to reach them in full intensity, in other words, the energy will not be programmed properly if one lacks the emotional intensity to help "justify" it in one's mind. The spell would be vastly diminished, or in most cases would have no effect at all.

If you perform a death spell on someone and you do not have a very deep hatred for them, or worse if you are having back and forth doubts of whether or not this is true justice, the spell will fail.

The intention and focus is the key part. You do not have to be necessarily seething with rage. This complements the destructive element, but it does not break the working if you are not actively boiling in anger. I think we are on the same page, but I would not stay the working itself will be literally broken, just weakened.

"In my own workings, I have found one does not have to get overly emotional. Just a strong determined will, and directing anger into a specific event, for example a specific type of accident, over and over."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Poppit.html

"I also want to add, most popular writings will instruct you to raise as much emotion, such as anger and hatred as possible. Again, this is ok, but not necessary. What is necessary are the strength of your own soul, your will and directing the energy."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/ThreeSteps.html

Hey Blitz, I know this is not the place, but I was starting to help on JoS wiki, (so I need your answer). and had some questions as what I made there in result was not right I think, so I need to know why it turned out like that, without answer I can not continue, I have sent you email sometime ago, but didn’t get answer it was quite sometime ago already, so if you are able please answer me to email. [email protected]

 

[Jrvan]

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You misunderstand me, the emotion is not the source of the energy but it is a key component in focusing and directing it properly. You can raise all the pestilent energy in the world, if you are not entirely committed and focused on the goal of the total destruction of your target, the energy will dissipate and fail to reach them in full intensity, in other words, the energy will not be programmed properly if one lacks the emotional intensity to help "justify" it in one's mind. The spell would be vastly diminished, or in most cases would have no effect at all.

If you perform a death spell on someone and you do not have a very deep hatred for them, or worse if you are having back and forth doubts of whether or not this is true justice, the spell will fail.

This is true for any magickal working, 100% intent and desire is required to direct energies towards an outcome properly. In the case of black magick, negative emotion towards the target plays a large part in focusing and directing these energies. Raising the energy is one step, if you do not focus and direct it, it is wasted and the spell fails. In the death spell page in JoS the focusing of all one's hatred for the target is listed as a necessary step. The term "imperative" is also used so it does play a more important role than you think. Doubt me all you want but do consult the JoS website before arguing about these things dude.

You seem to be a more positive person as a whole, so I don't imagine you do a whole lot of cursing, and this is totally fine. But don't just assume that I'm talking out of my ass here.

The intention and focus is the key part. You do not have to be necessarily seething with rage. This complements the destructive element, but it does not break the working if you are not actively boiling in anger. I think we are on the same page, but I would not stay the working itself will be literally broken, just weakened.

"In my own workings, I have found one does not have to get overly emotional. Just a strong determined will, and directing anger into a specific event, for example a specific type of accident, over and over."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Poppit.html

"I also want to add, most popular writings will instruct you to raise as much emotion, such as anger and hatred as possible. Again, this is ok, but not necessary. What is necessary are the strength of your own soul, your will and directing the energy."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/ThreeSteps.html

In my experience it would, and it has. Magickal workings are very delicate and in my experience any doubt or break in focus will severely cripple it or in most cases dismantle it completely.

An intense hatred is a huge help in keeping one focused on the destruction of an enemy, and this is a double edged sword because if hatred for the enemy isn't enough, doubts of the working's necessity come to mind and work against it.


If a person has reached a point of mental resilience where emotions cannot sway them one way or the other, then at that point yes, it's no longer a factor at all. But at person at this stage isn't having overreactions to minor offenses, and the above does not apply to them.

I've performed plenty of curses, but I don't think that's relevant for you to bring up.

Energy is going to do what it's programmed to do. If a magician performs a death spell and funnels large amounts of death energy over time into their target's aura while programming it to kill them, then this is going to eventually manifest the intended effect, sooner or later depending on the strength of the magician and the weakness of the target. One could even prep the target by performing the energy ripping spell the way it was created to be used, or simply making their target's aura very black to absorb the death energy. This will work regardless of the amount of emotion poured in, and it doesn't matter if someone works themselves up or not if they truly intend this. I would be interested to know as well how exactly the spell you cast failed. Did it still produce a result? Anyway, what you're talking about with people having reservation or doubt is still a separate matter from this topic, and your advice is good for rookies who haven't steeled their wills yet. It is true that sufficient willpower and desire for the outcome is necessary, one cannot have any reservation or else the spell will backfire on them. This would be excellent advice to remind people of for more relevant threads as I said, but this isn't what everyone is talking about. I also wasn't intending to argue with you, but only to explain what you weren't perceiving and why you were getting the reaction that you were getting. If you still don't see it then I have failed to enlighten you, and that's that.

Also keep in mind that your experiences with magick might not always reflect everyone else's.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

I have sent you email sometime ago, but didn’t get answer it was quite sometime ago already, so if you are able please answer me to email. [email protected]

Can you resend your email?

Also, I see that you made a hyperlink, which works. The only thing I would say to change is to make the link internal, rather than external.

 

[Draconi666]

" post_id=423381 time=1675992710 user_id=21286]

I have sent you email sometime ago, but didn’t get answer it was quite sometime ago already, so if you are able please answer me to email. [email protected]

Can you resend your email?

Also, I see that you made a hyperlink, which works. The only thing I would say to change is to make the link internal, rather than external.

I resent you email. Please tell me more about internal/external link in reply.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I've performed plenty of curses, but I don't think that's relevant for you to bring up.

Energy is going to do what it's programmed to do. If a magician performs a death spell and funnels large amounts of death energy over time into their target's aura while programming it to kill them, then this is going to eventually manifest the intended effect, sooner or later depending on the strength of the magician and the weakness of the target. One could even prep the target by performing the energy ripping spell the way it was created to be used, or simply making their target's aura very black to absorb the death energy. This will work regardless of the amount of emotion poured in, and it doesn't matter if someone works themselves up or not if they truly intend this. I would be interested to know as well how exactly the spell you cast failed. Did it still produce a result? Anyway, what you're talking about with people having reservation or doubt is still a separate matter from this topic, and your advice is good for rookies who haven't steeled their wills yet. It is true that sufficient willpower and desire for the outcome is necessary, one cannot have any reservation or else the spell will backfire on them. This would be excellent advice to remind people of for more relevant threads as I said, but this isn't what everyone is talking about. I also wasn't intending to argue with you, but only to explain what you weren't perceiving and why you were getting the reaction that you were getting. If you still don't see it then I have failed to enlighten you, and that's that.

Also keep in mind that your experiences with magick might not always reflect everyone else's.

The person in question had a work related accident. I wasn't there to see it, but he showed up missing 3 fingers and his wrist was permanently damaged. At some point before this I had begun to question if my reaction was justice or an overreaction, and I'm convinced this is what mitigated the cursing and prevented it's full manifestation.

I don't really curse now I just drain them until they begin to break down. Empowerment workings are on the menu 24/7 and I don't want to spread my energies into heavy curses, so I make do in another ways.


It's also been years since I've felt the need to curse or drain someone to such vicious extents. I am of the opinion that when one builds up a powerful AoP, most unpleasant situations are avoided all together and one rarely come across someone who brings enough abuse to warrant a curse in the first place. A powerful AoP pushes such people away from you.

I also don't think you are considering that the anger and hatred for the target in this case is the foundation of one's willpower and focus to curse them and this is the point I'm trying to make. Doubts destroy workings and when you are using your emotion as the only source of your willpower/focus, if the emotion is not intense enough, your focus breaks and the spell breaks. Resulting in very mitigated manifestations as with my own personal experience, or none at all.


And I know why I got the reaction I did.

Also keep in mind that your experiences with magick might not always reflect everyone else's.

True.

 

[Jrvan]

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The person in question had a work related accident. I wasn't there to see it, but he showed up missing 3 fingers and his wrist was permanently damaged. At some point before this I had begun to question if my reaction was justice or an overreaction, and I'm convinced this is what mitigated the cursing and prevented it's full manifestation.

I'm certain now that we have different ideas of what is considered failure.

I am of the opinion that when one builds up a powerful AoP, most unpleasant situations are avoided all together and one rarely come across someone who brings enough abuse to warrant a curse in the first place. A powerful AoP pushes such people away from you.

I would agree that this is the best method to secure safety after one has satisfied their need for revenge. That's why I tell people that even though they should definitely own a weapon, an AOP in theory bypasses the need for one when it's strong enough, and is a very wise investment of energy.

I think building an aura of harmony on top of it could potentially improve the chances even further of securing a peaceful life experience at all times, and I may consider experimenting with that idea I just hatched.

I also don't think you are considering that the anger and hatred for the target in this case is the foundation of one's willpower and focus to curse them and this is the point I'm trying to make. Doubts destroy workings and when you are using your emotion as the only source of your willpower/focus, if the emotion is not intense enough, your focus breaks and the spell breaks. Resulting in very mitigated manifestations as with my own personal experience, or none at all.

I believe this amounts to inexperience, and the solution is simply more training. Strengthening the will is fundamental. I would also add that if that's the case for this particular situation, then a death spell is too much for the person to handle and I would deem it far too dangerous for them to perform. Therefore the answer to their question would become discouragement.

However, like I said, the OP's question is more about the justice and morality aspect of this which is what most people answered about. You focused on another aspect of it outside the boundaries of the question, presumably, out of concern for the OP's health and a desire to prevent them from fostering a pacifistic mindset and remaining a victim in life.

I don't personally think you need to worry about them gaining these types of tendencies simply from being advised by many members to have a better sense of proportion. I don't think anyone told the OP not to curse or seek justice, to the best of my understanding, but rather to consider the scale and adjust.

And I know why I got the reaction I did.

If I'm picking up on your undertone correctly here then I believe you may be mistaken in regards to the actual reason.

 

[Draconi666]

" post_id=423381 time=1675992710 user_id=21286]

I have sent you email sometime ago, but didn’t get answer it was quite sometime ago already, so if you are able please answer me to email. [email protected]

Can you resend your email?

Also, I see that you made a hyperlink, which works. The only thing I would say to change is to make the link internal, rather than external.

I resent It,First time it’s failed somehow. Now you shall have got it.

 

[Master.mind]

Let me put it this way.
If someone wrongs someone by accident, I wish them no harm.
If someone does good to someone on accident, while they wanted to harm them, I wish death on them.

 

[Master.mind]

Let me remind everyone that we are social creatures. We absolutely need others in order to survive.
If an individual causes someone else, maliciously, to be isolated from others, that someone is now at risk of dying and the individual that did it deserves death.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Let me remind everyone that we are social creatures. We absolutely need others in order to survive.

This sentence also explains why you don't put someone to death over tiny infractions. Your logic is basically that because one action creates conditions closer to a result, those actions therefore did that result.

This is like saying 1 + 1 creates a sum value closer to 5, therefore it should be charged as 5, and not 2.
In the same way, one insult against me leads me 1% closer to death, therefore I should punish any insults with death.

Can you not see how this is a hypersensitive response? This would therefore decimate any sort of social organization you sought to employ it within.

 

[Master.mind]

" post_id=423979 time=1676204696 user_id=21286]

Let me remind everyone that we are social creatures. We absolutely need others in order to survive.

This sentence also explains why you don't put someone to death over tiny infractions. Your logic is basically that because one action creates conditions closer to a result, those actions therefore did that result.

This is like saying 1 + 1 creates a sum value closer to 5, therefore it should be charged as 5, and not 2.
In the same way, one insult against me leads me 1% closer to death, therefore I should punish any insults with death.

Can you not see how this is a hypersensitive response? This would therefore decimate any sort of social organization you sought to employ it within.

" post_id=423979 time=1676204696 user_id=21286]
Can you not see how this is a hypersensitive response? This would therefore decimate any sort of social organization you sought to employ it within.

In my view, doing something with intent to harm others is unacceptable under any circumstance. It doesn't matter what that something is because that something is proportional to the level of power of the individual. Give that same individual more power, they'd be doing more damage.
If there was a way to externally measure someone's heart, I'd be handing out death sentences to malicious persons even if they committed nothing yet.
The older one is, the wiser they get and the more likely they are to hide their behavior.
Put me in charge and there'd be mass death for a while, until the DNA pool is cleaned out of the garbage.

 

[Master.mind]

" post_id=423979 time=1676204696 user_id=21286]

Let me remind everyone that we are social creatures. We absolutely need others in order to survive.

This sentence also explains why you don't put someone to death over tiny infractions. Your logic is basically that because one action creates conditions closer to a result, those actions therefore did that result.

This is like saying 1 + 1 creates a sum value closer to 5, therefore it should be charged as 5, and not 2.
In the same way, one insult against me leads me 1% closer to death, therefore I should punish any insults with death.

Can you not see how this is a hypersensitive response? This would therefore decimate any sort of social organization you sought to employ it within.

As for the more wise malicious persons, I'd take them out by changing the environment, specifically how money is earned, such that non malicious persons are given an advantage. Eventually natural selection would do its own thing to root out the problem.

 

[Master.mind]

Moreover, I ask that my donation be returned.
I had an instance where a donation was returned to me in the past (by a national socialist community nonetheless). Doesn't hurt to ask I guess although I doubt you'd do it, knowing HPHC's character.

 

[Fuchs]

Go with this:

Returning Curses Part 1
https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Returning_Curses.html

 

[Master.mind]

It's unfortunate that I'm getting so much disrespect on this forum but it is what it is.
I'm not the kind of person that will leave a branch before having another firmly in my grasp so I'll just have to keep on mingling with xians and donating to the church.
If there is no path to becoming HP then I won't ever be able to create a Satanic coven. So what's the point of pursuing Satanism? No one told anything to Aquarius so it's clear that that's what the clergy approves of, in spite of rule 8 of the forum which states no flaming.

You don't play by your own rules, that makes Aquarius and clergy garbage in my eyes and nothing they say has any weight to me, thus I ask that my donation be sent back.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

" post_id=423979 time=1676204696 user_id=21286]

Let me remind everyone that we are social creatures. We absolutely need others in order to survive.

This sentence also explains why you don't put someone to death over tiny infractions. Your logic is basically that because one action creates conditions closer to a result, those actions therefore did that result.

This is like saying 1 + 1 creates a sum value closer to 5, therefore it should be charged as 5, and not 2.
In the same way, one insult against me leads me 1% closer to death, therefore I should punish any insults with death.

Can you not see how this is a hypersensitive response? This would therefore decimate any sort of social organization you sought to employ it within.

Lets take Aquarius as an example. He contributes a little but attacks and destroys other people's reputation, preventing them from contributing far more than he would. Ultimately it'd be a net benefit to the group to take him out.

What is your own contribution, the fact that you hardly have sent anything and that you write elaborate posts on how you "pass off your negative energies to hookers that you give them 20 bucks" at, and other nonsense you keep writing?

Your contribution is zero. At every sign where anyone says anything remotely to you, you also always have the same recoiling thing because in your warped mind you think you have done anything whatsoever yet essentially you have done nothing at all.

Your reputation is in jeopardy because of your own self first and foremost. Denial to understand this is because you are living in denial.

...
Same thing if a 5 year old told me they were going to insult someone. Death sentence.
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If there was a way to externally measure someone's heart, I'd be handing out death sentences to malicious persons even if they committed nothing yet.
The older one is, the wiser they get and the more likely they are to hide their behavior.
Put me in charge and there'd be mass death for a while, until the DNA pool is cleaned out of the garbage.

BUT lo and behold that's for good reasons, goy.

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" post_id=423979 time=1676204696 user_id=21286]
Can you not see how this is a hypersensitive response? This would therefore decimate any sort of social organization you sought to employ it within.

...
In my view, doing something with intent to harm others is unacceptable under any circumstance. ...

At this point one would question if you literally belong to the mental hospital.

 

[NakedPluto [JG]]

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I think you have been given exactly the opposite of this, too much leniency and understanding. Aside from attacking ThomasSs and the whole team on the calendars like on a garbage justification based on your non functional thoughts, you furthermore edge certain aggressive behaviours, those that if reflected back to you would certainly put you into a mental and emotional breakdown. Therefore you are the explicit garbage.

Donating to JoS is not for you to use afterward as a guilt trip or weaponize anything of this. It reveals a lack of character, and therefore garbage.

You are welcomed to take your collective of behaviours and your reputation elsewhere and also donate to your saviour, Jesus, who by all means accepts you as you are, weak and therefore garbage.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

...

Social conflict exists in all areas of life, although we can advance past lower levels of this in time. You will find this within JoS, and outside of it.

I could claim that your punishments display a higher lack of empathy more than an insult itself. It is not reasonable to ban or kill for the slightest infraction, as this does more damage than what occurred beforehand.

You have to find more realistic ways of dealing with others, otherwise you will find yourself handicapped by what are otherwise small obstacles in life.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

It's unfortunate that I'm getting so much disrespect on this forum but it is what it is.
I'm not the kind of person that will leave a branch before having another firmly in my grasp so I'll just have to keep on mingling with xians and donating to the church.
If there is no path to becoming HP then I won't ever be able to create a Satanic coven. So what's the point of pursuing Satanism? No one told anything to Aquarius so it's clear that that's what the clergy approves of, in spite of rule 8 of the forum which states no flaming.

You don't play by your own rules, that makes Aquarius and clergy garbage in my eyes and nothing they say has any weight to me, thus I ask that my donation be sent back.

We also don't approve the advertising of Satan's Enemies and here you are advertising you will donate to the enemy, glorifying them almost.

Your donation is gone and as stated in the donations it's non refundable. Ask back some donations from your local church to make ends meet, you will be fine, don't worry.

 

[Master.mind]

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I think you have been given exactly the opposite of this, too much leniency and understanding. Aside from attacking ThomasSs and the whole team on the calendars like on a garbage justification based on your non functional thoughts, you furthermore edge certain aggressive behaviours, those that if reflected back to you would certainly put you into a mental and emotional breakdown. Therefore you are the explicit garbage.

Donating to JoS is not for you to use afterward as a guilt trip or weaponize anything of this. It reveals a lack of character, and therefore garbage.

You are welcomed to take your collective of behaviours and your reputation elsewhere and also donate to your saviour, Jesus, who by all means accepts you as you are, weak and therefore garbage.

I don't care much about orthodoxy, although one could say that Satanism has the best one.
What matters the most to me is being in a community where people need, respect and help each other.
I couldn't care less about jewsus. My donations are appreciated by church clergy, which in turn talk well to others about me and help me connect with interesting people.

 

[Aquarius]

It's unfortunate that I'm getting so much disrespect on this forum but it is what it is.
I'm not the kind of person that will leave a branch before having another firmly in my grasp so I'll just have to keep on mingling with xians and donating to the church.
If there is no path to becoming HP then I won't ever be able to create a Satanic coven. So what's the point of pursuing Satanism? No one told anything to Aquarius so it's clear that that's what the clergy approves of, in spite of rule 8 of the forum which states no flaming.

You don't play by your own rules, that makes Aquarius and clergy garbage in my eyes and nothing they say has any weight to me, thus I ask that my donation be sent back.

You're a clown, you'd literally be killing people for nothing.