Earning fiat and paying taxes versus building communities with crypto

[Majestic Eagle]

I think I have a blockage towards earning money, fiat, money, because I dont want to pay taxes to fund wars. How are other people dealing with this? I'm at the point where I only really want to offer my services, art, products, for crypto.

Its strange to me that crypto isnt more of a big topic here. A lot of the crypto communities, especially the private ones, are very anti government, are are endeavoring to create services and communities, so that they can boycott the government.

Crypto doesnt have to be about making profit from other peoples losses, it can be about building systems (networks, markets, apps, decentralized tech) that boycott the government.

I think I remember a sermon about envisioning what the satanic future looks like?

Manifesting money is a big topic, which means paying taxes, though talking about crypto and living off grid is not discussed that much, which is strange to me.

I guess the JOS community wants to be more involved in society, i.e. live in the towns and accept fiat to do your work for humanity, even if this means paying taxes and usually consuming oil. I guess that is the trade off.

 

[Aquarius]

We live in a society with rules. Crypto is still something not everyone is familiar with and many people will be turned off by the idea of paying with crypto.

paying taxes is one type of evil of today's world. You pay them either way if you work as an employee or as a business.

 

[Henu the Great]

Most people, as they can not juggle around legalities and financial systems with finesse, should simply pay their taxes as otherwise, they risk hefty repercussions. Tax avoidance is viewed as one of the most punishable offenses, at least in the West.

 

[Fuchs]

We live in a society with rules. Crypto is still something not everyone is familiar with and many people will be turned off by the idea of paying with crypto.

paying taxes is one type of evil of today's world. You pay them either way if you work as an employee or as a business.

Even if you are on unemployment benefit from the state, you pay taxes by buying things, even with crypto (BTC everything else is a bad store off value), as not everything can be bought directly from the producer. It's more about to earn as much as you can, while at the same time doing your daily meditations, with the money employed (even if you pay taxes) you can fund more projects for the gods, like the JOS sites. Oil in it self isn't bad, all energy sources should be used and developed for more efficiency and less environmental damage.

 

[Edward666]

Most people, as they can not juggle around legalities and financial systems with finesse, should simply pay their taxes as otherwise, they risk hefty repercussions. Tax avoidance is viewed as one of the most punishable offenses, at least in the West.

I agree with you!
Today tax matters are one of the most difficult matters to deal with.

What makes me angry is knowing (at least in my country) that the biggest tax evaders have no repercussions, while small companies or small entrepreneurs are persecuted and if necessary evicted.

Personally I hate paying taxes, I have to give the results of my work to people who finance wars.

In an ideal world I pay taxes for services that are truly useful to the society in which I live.
Services that actually work and that I can use.

I'll give you an example.
In Italy I pay taxes for healthcare but then to book a simple visit I have to wait years or even have to go to a paid private doctor and not a public one.

 

[Aureus]

Depending on where you live you probably have different taxes (e.g. income tax, value added tax, property tax, etc.) on different levels (e.g. local and state) that allow modern countries to exist. Some of those can be seen as unethical (e.g. income tax seen as punishment imposed upon working people for trying to improve life standard) and some other as useful (e.g. excise tax on alcohol and tobacco increasing its price and by that decreasing consumption). From the collected pool of money, some can be spent for aforementioned wars but funding goes mostly to government and administration, education, infrastructure, healthcare, national security, science, culture, etc. In more accessible words, tax money maintain the roads you drive to work, it pays the firefighters, keep your children educated, etc.

The quintessence of money is a universal medium of exchange. It can be in material form (mussels, gold coins, paper banknotes) or in digital form - centrally and decentrally issued. Every of these examples come with its pros and cons.

Other matter is money creation. At the roots of fiat money creation lies the same relationship as that between creditor and debtor. Modern 'money' is debt.

Cryptocurrencies are not the remedy. They are just another monetary system with its individual pros and cons but it's not perfect (e.g. low stability, prone to volatility caused by big players).

I personally believe that there are exactly ZERO monetary, economical and political systems that by its design cannot be exploited because the people that are the users of those systems are the system itself. Everything boils down to lack of responsibility and uncontrollable greed. Have a big enough group of such representatives and recipe for disaster is ready. Does it ring a bell? I think there is a very specific group of 'people' that fits that description. Some of them are even claiming that they do "God's work".

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With knowledge comes understanding, so I recommend to everyone reading these words to get some basic knowledge about 'money' and its history by reading a book called The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World by Niall Ferguson and watching a documentary called Money Masters (1996).

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We reach out to other people, we educate them, we are for them. Those who were first have responsibility to come to those who are still without and tell them about the upcoming change and show them the way. The transformation that is taking place right now is the most wonderful one, because once completed it will be permanent and irreversible. Yes, it's hard because everyone is obligated to do his/hers own work that cannot be transferred on the shoulder of other but the reward is beyond words.

This is what we do at JoS.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

There is so much corruption in government spending, and then what is spent, and not embezzled, is very ill spent. This is the big argument against governments, it is centralized, it is communism.

Of course, people also argue against competition saying it is wasteful, and that co-operation, and the sum of the parts is greater than the whole, but I think that competition is healthy and also fun.

I think I remember a sermon saying not to harp back to the traditional days, but then I don’t think we really know how the world really was. I think we understood electromagnetic and had access to almost free energy, the aristocrats were engineers, who knew how to harness energy.

Re, crypto, yes it is volatile now, but in the long term, volatility could be a lot less. Volatility reduces when adoption increases. And because there is so many coins, the power is decentralized enormously incomparison to fiat.

Really we should all be living a lot more local, and therefore services would be so much easily organized. It is only because everything has become nationalized and globalized that planning and logistics are complicated. If we lived presently and locally, without consuming the blood of the earth, life would be a lot more simpler , rewarding and magical.

We could organize our own roads, emergency services, eduction , natural healthcare, organic food all on decentralized cryptos. And then if we ever got back to harnessing the electromagnetic currents of the energetic field of the earth (chi), we wouldn’t need crypto, but I see it as a bridge back to where we were once before, when we lived in harmony with the earth.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

another plus side to crypto, besides limiting monetary expansion, is that the government cant freeze your account or appropriate your funds. How old is government and taxes any way? We don't need them, the local aristocrats used to be the ones with the vision, wisdom, heart, and will, to drive the wealth of communities forward.... The argument against crypto being volatile, I think is short sighted, and maybe because people dont want to learn about the tech or take any risks, entrepreneurs are risk takers.

 

[Aureus]

There is so much corruption in government spending, and then what is spent, and not embezzled, is very ill spent. This is the big argument against governments, it is centralized, it is communism.

Governments are made out of people, and the problems are actually their decisions and intentions. Trust me when I say, once the problem with 'one' group will be resolved and the remaining rest will be healed, most problems will simply fix itself.

Money is a tool that is present in highly organised societies and help sustain life of those. When life of millions or billions of people is at stake while implementing new solutions, stability and security is an absolute priority.

Since it seems you have a strong sympathy and affiliation towards cryptocurrencies, let me ask you a question. What would you do with existing debt?

 

[Henu the Great]

another plus side to crypto, besides limiting monetary expansion, is that the government cant freeze your account or appropriate your funds. How old is government and taxes any way? We don't need them, the local aristocrats used to be the ones with the vision, wisdom, heart, and will, to drive the wealth of communities forward.... The argument against crypto being volatile, I think is short sighted, and maybe because people dont want to learn about the tech or take any risks, entrepreneurs are risk takers.

The government can cut your electricity. Then you have no crypto...

I get it, cryptocurrencies have certain advantages, but they are not the be-all and end-all solution to financial woes.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

I just can't support the government, I would rather live in poverty and with integrity like Tesla, then support those paedophilic, sadistic, bastards.

The government can cut your electricity. Then you have no crypto...

I get it, cryptocurrencies have certain advantages, but they are not the be-all and end-all solution to financial woes.

a lot of people are designing and building their own power supplies, and even telecommunication networks. I think we have to take a long term view on decentralized tech, and envisioning what the future could look like. Saying that the government can cut your electricity or internet, again, is short term view, we need to design and build solutions. Local solutions, which are in harmony with the earth. Then there are those which are anti tech which are building off gird communities, producing as much as they can, and also for barter.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

hi, please can you remove this part ! """just can't support the government, I would rather live in poverty and with integrity like Tesla, then support those paedophilic, sadistic, bastards"""..... I didn't mean to post this , thank you

 

[Aureus]

I just can't support the government, I would rather live in poverty and with integrity like Tesla, then support those paedophilic, sadistic, bastards.

a lot of people are designing and building their own power supplies, and even telecommunication networks. I think we have to take a long term view on decentralized tech, and envisioning what the future could look like. Saying that the government can cut your electricity or internet, again, is short term view, we need to design and build solutions. Local solutions, which are in harmony with the earth. Then there are those which are anti tech which are building off gird communities, producing as much as they can, and also for barter.

You just keep advocating for the solution you have a strong sympathy and affiliation for, and at the same time you miss the big picture. Right now I seriously doubt if further discussion have a point.

 

[Henu the Great]

I just can't support the government, I would rather live in poverty and with integrity like Tesla, then support those paedophilic, sadistic, bastards.

a lot of people are designing and building their own power supplies, and even telecommunication networks. I think we have to take a long term view on decentralized tech, and envisioning what the future could look like. Saying that the government can cut your electricity or internet, again, is short term view, we need to design and build solutions. Local solutions, which are in harmony with the earth. Then there are those which are anti tech which are building off gird communities, producing as much as they can, and also for barter.

Show us examples of what you are talking about.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

Show us examples of what you are talking about.

Communications is not something Ive kept on top of, but I know people who have made their own antennae to create what they call ‘ground mesh works’, these cant go over seas, only land. There is this crypto community working on similar things, but I haven’t looked into them for about 1-2 years.

https://qortal.org

In terms of power, hydro is the winner for me, and I think that the Tartarians and the Egyptians knew how to work with the water ways of the earth and the ionosphere, again, its not something I have been into for about 1-2 years, so will research again, and find some good resources.

 

[Henu the Great]

Communications is not something Ive kept on top of, but I know people who have made their own antennae to create what they call ‘ground mesh works’, these cant go over seas, only land. There is this crypto community working on similar things, but I haven’t looked into them for about 1-2 years.

https://qortal.org

In terms of power, hydro is the winner for me, and I think that the Tartarians and the Egyptians knew how to work with the water ways of the earth and the ionosphere, again, its not something I have been into for about 1-2 years, so will research again, and find some good resources.

I got the impression that there would be a large movement outside of government, but you only provided a link to some new-ish blockchain technology, which by the way, operates as part of our society.

You have some sort of hangup about governments. I would like to remind you that they are not the problem, but the enemy who has direct and indirect negative influence on this planet.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

I got the impression that there would be a large movement outside of government, but you only provided a link to some new-ish blockchain technology, which by the way, operates as part of our society.

You have some sort of hangup about governments. I would like to remind you that they are not the problem, but the enemy who has direct and indirect negative influence on this planet.

there is definitely a large movement of people living off grid, and living more self sufficiently, I don't think I need to provide evidence of that, its happening everywhere.

What dates were income tax and VAT were introduced? We were never tax before like we are today.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

growing you own food and medicine, having your own spring, and living of a flowing stream, and having your own antennae for communications, although not high high tech, its pretty fucking awesome

 

[Henu the Great]

there is definitely a large movement of people living off grid, and living more self sufficiently, I don't think I need to provide evidence of that, its happening everywhere.

What dates were income tax and VAT were introduced? We were never tax before like we are today.

Once you grow to be around your first Saturn return you'll understand better where I am coming from.

 

[sublimesatanist]

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I can't help but feel that crypto is typically more an investment tool than something a typical person would subsist solely from, however this can be done most notably in places like Mexico and South America from what I gather, where crypto is more often accepted as a method of payment.

In the West I'm not sure about that idea... I think that there are places that will exchange assets that you turn to bitcoin and give you cash for it, however this works in some kind of buy-and-sell (trade) type of way if I'm not mistaken.

I'm new to this whole arena and it's something that I'd like to learn about and explore. Is it possible in today's world to actually turn a profit from investing in crypto? Shouldn't it require mining? In the later case this uses a lot of electricity and those machines aren't cheap; thus, in my situation of considering 'dipping my toes into it' I think that investment into a privacy coin might be a good start. My concern is what if I lose out on it? For that reason I feel that a small amount rather than a large amount (starting out) might be good, just for learning sake.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic. It's a confusing one to me and something that I can't decide if I'm completely for or against. I agree that it might not be a be all end all form of currency, yet I do see that it has many positives, most notably privacy and getting money out of the fiat system. It's always good to weigh out our options I think and determine what is best for us on an individual level.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

Living Fiat Free – #SolutionsWatch | The Corbett Report

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[M T R]

taking responsibility for your finances, rather than relying on centralized governments and corporations as your custodians who are destroying the planet and killing people, is not just about finance, it is also about social, political and spiritual responsibility. If satanism really is about technology, then you really ought to be learning about all the ways to decentralized power through technology, whether that be finance, energy or agricultural systems, all of it.

If one needs that, one can learn.

But it isn't that useful to propagate these methods so furiously.
Better put your energy and effort into making and publishing useful and informative guides for those interested.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

If one needs that, one can learn.

But it isn't that useful to propagate these methods so furiously.
Better put your energy and effort into making and publishing useful and informative guides for those interested.

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