Delusion vs real experiences based on new updates [ the 5 levels ]

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Greetings, the 5 Levels of perception of Gods have expanded the variety of experiences one can have, and by reading them and being more open, one will start to experience more.

when i was newly dedicated, i did not know my GD and was stacking sign after sign yet doubting each time, until i was at over 10 signs, even if i knew who my Guardian God was after the first sign.

When i asked @High Priestess Lydia she told me 1 sign is enough, because the Gods do not give signs for nothing, i followed that tip and it turned out to be true, the thing is i dismissed at least 10 signs because of doubt, when 1 was enough, so the efficiency of communication was extremely low.

Because of me, not the Gods, since they were giving clear signs. Now i noticed that this same doubtful attitude i took it to the experiences, so each experience i assume it is real only after having the same one multiple times.

My question is, is the same concept of ‘ 1 sign is only what one needs’ the same for experiences ? I.E. if one gets visited by a God in dream, or whatever experience, if it feels right = real? Since those are more potent that simple signs, if the element of delusion was that significant it should have more effect on knowing the Guardian God since one at that level is at his lowest level and use basic signs. But the other experiences are more potent, so basically from that point of view each experience is real, if one thinks it is. What do you think of that ?

I asked so many members and found there is no real way to determine if an experience is real, so many keep having those experiences in their journal that they partially doubt.. besides experiences that can be physically verified or verified by a third party.

Especially with the new updates, the range of experiences one can have now is bigger, and it extends beyond what one has read, also it will be impossible to believe for one who did not have it, especially some of the experiences in the scale [Level 1 to Level 5], many experiences will literally sound like a movie.

Simple example if one says he heard a thunder or felt a huge wind that came directly after talking to a God, the line between delusion and if the experience is factual is thin, since everyone experienced thunders or wind before, but the feeling that the initiate feels that makes him connect it to the God is what is telling, and this only the one having the experience can tell, so in fact those experiences only the one having them can know if he is having them.

So is it the same idea as knowing the Guardian God. I.E. experience feels real = real.

Concerning the new updates, @High Priest Zevios Metathronos mentioned the Gods are Cosmic forces, how far that this goes, are they literally cosmic forces, when a thunder happens literally it is Zeus, so Zeus is a complex being, he is the one who one sees in front of him wearing white, and he is the entire universe and he is the thunders and all at the same time?

if that is how it is, when one sees the eagle, as a sign of Zeus, so the eagle is literally Zeus and the eagle in same time? ( i know i sound weird at this point)

Can we see the God in the animal, or the animal is only the sign of the God(or both?). if the Gods are cosmic forces, we can see the Cosmic force as the God, but can we do that too with animals ?

Same for nature, let’s say i watch nature and then enter the awe and feel the divinity, so what i am seing is Literally the God related to nature? In that form? is it literally the God? I am not talking about simply admiring the nature, i am talking about feeling the feeling that the ones who felt it know it..

Since i saw in a thread of @High Priestess Lydia when she saw the dawn, she said , ‘ it was her’ talking about the Goddess, does it mean, it was a sign, or it was literally her, seing the Goddess in the dawn and the dawn as manifestation of the Goddess? Here is the phrase @High Priestess Lydia used :
[It is Eos's: the Great Goddess of Dawn, a Queen of the Light, Queen of the First Light, Queen of the Dawn.

So that was Her, waking me up earlier than expected and guiding me outside to see Her splendor and beauty. ]

HPL said ‘ that was her waking me up earlier’, so if one experience a coincidence like this, the God did really wake one up?

I just want to make sure, since with the new updates, i am experiencing the Gods everywhere, and i do not want to turn delusional. You know the phrase of there is a thin line between insanity and being spiritual, i now feel there is a thin line between experiencing the Gods a lot and delusion.

Where does the levels of perception stop, and delusion begins..

 

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[The thunderbolt isn't a metaphor for Zeus's power. It's the sensible manifestation of a force that operates at every level of reality simultaneously.] from the 5 levels thread of HPZM.

from what i understood, the Gods are present at all 5 levels in same time, so the eagle is really Zeus not just an eagle, since Zeus is not the man wearing white only. And it is also only an eagle, an animal, and it is also part of the universe who is Zeus. But while the eagle is flying is Zeus literally present through him? Like when one in summoning feels a breeze, the breeze is just a breeze, yet at that moment it was manifested by Zeus , so the Breeze Signals the Presence of Zeus. so the breeze in this case is like the eagle ? And it signals the God present but he is present in different way? Or it signals presence same as in summoning

 

[Inquisitor⥀Veritas]

In my case for figuring out my Guardian Daemon, early on she was making it blatant i have been realizing. I would ask questions like, my Guardian Daemon are you Astarte and with barely any visualization i would see her sigil in my mind Glowing vibrantly. Now not everyone can see or know their Guardian's sigil, as it may not be available for us publicly. Now it wasn't only this as well, i have seen the number 5 repeated, 8 repeated, have found coins that near each other that have 5's in the years they were created. It really comes down to what others have said, that they reveal themselves when it is time for us to know. When we do find out, it is important that we begin to build our connection to our respective Guardian Daemon. I am not sure if this was helpful at all, but i wanted to share my take on it.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

The Gods are present in all that exists, is good and is true. They build and generate all that exists, is good and is true.

Levels and various manifestations just reflect them more perfectly or imperfectly.

The very short answer is that, if what you receive is good and useful, it is from the Gods. If not, not.

 

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Thank you for sharing this beautiful experience brother. faith and openness plays a big role in this. I do not know much about Goddess Astrate i will take this as a sign to read about her, thank you.

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so it is same as knowing Guardian God, thank you!

 

[Chrysallida]

Usually when a God wants to contact me, they show signs in many different ways. But when it is something more serious and important, they show up, talk through my mind, and let me feel their energy (plus the energy surge from the root chakra). I'm much better at sensing energies, heat, cold, but I can also hear their voice clearly, especially when I'm focused. When I sense their energy (always good, happy and positive, unless I did something wrong...), somehow I immediately know their name, who it is. Their energy makes me energized in a good way, and last for days in my room.

Others signs I notice when it is something unlikely to happen, like seeing an animal that is uncommon where I live, a plant showing up many times, numbers repeating. But I prefer when they speak or their sigil pop up in my mind, it is more obvious to me that they want my attention.

But, of course, I don't assume that it is always some God talking to me, there is the risk of being a bad entity trying to pretend. In that case, I have to analyze what the entity said, the circumstances of the communication (if it makes sense), their energy, and check if it is good advice. The bad ones don't last long enough to keep lurking around, since I start to find it suspicious and I decide to clean the room, do banishing, or work more on my AoP.