Other Indian population and caste system

[Corvina0189]

Greetings,
I have been reading a few threads about the Indian population. From what I understand, it is relatively young and quite mixed, with different percentages of ancestral origins depending on the geographical region, though the population ultimately shares ancient common ancestry. India is also known for its caste system, so my questions are:

1) Are inter-caste relationships harmful, or are they considered a form of race mixing?

Even the caste system itself isn’t entirely clear to me. There is one system in Punjab and another related to Hindu culture, which seems slightly different from what I know. Punjabis also follow different religions, and their castes include Jatts, Chamars, Lubanas, etc. Visually, it might not even be easy to distinguish them. The Hindu caste system seems more defined, with Brahmins, Vaishyas, and so on.
I believe that castes should not be used as an excuse for discrimination, but rather as a way to understand more about a person’s genetic history.
Fortunately, in today’s society many members of the so called ‘lower castes’ are emerging, gaining wealth, political influence, and other forms of recognition.

2) On one hand, the caste system can provide insight into an individual’s ancestry. On the other hand, is it true that smaller groups might face genetic issues, like recessive diseases emerging due to caste endogamy?

3) What about people who are Indian but have different ancestral mixtures for example, in northwestern India, where people tend to have Aryan associated features, versus northeastern India, where people show more East Asian features?

Should one worry about further mixing in this context?

 

[Khem Nefermed]

Lineages are valid and obviously normal. In the ancient world, warriors raised children to be warriors, priests raised children for priesthood, nobles kept their nobility in the family, etc.
This is about as far as "caste" goes.

The understanding of caste Hindus have had for a long while is a later corruption, just like the ban on meat.

"The Hindu woman denied access to the Vedas by caste law was a victim of Atibilibil." - Liturgical Terms, Atibilbil

The many horrors of the caste system commit multiple Yehuboric crimes and are of Yehubor.

As for racial matters, I'd personally guess that any Indian can be with any Indian, as this is a well-established ethnic lineage and nation identity that stands by itself.

 

[Nordicsupreme]

The caste system as you mentioned has been used for abuse for decades by the Hindu Priests in power. There was also a degree of considerable dehumanization of the those that belonged to the lower strata of the caste system and many were stopped from entering this path of spirituality which belongs to all willing to establish a divine relationship
Same is the case they did with women - with many non being allowed in Temples in if they are on their periods since they aren't pure
Such a hierarchy based on abuse of the lower castes is never accepted by the Gods. This is what comes under the category of Yehuborim were the corrupt priests tried to control who could and couldn't worship the Gods. The categorization of the lower castes and equating them to animals is the process of Kagoim

If you read this : https://templeofzeus.org/liturgical_terms_kagoim.php : "Zevism does not deny that differences in spiritual capacity exist among human beings. To deny this would be its own form of falsehood. The differences are real, observable, and significant. Some souls are born closer to the Divine; others are born deeper in matter. Some arrive in this life with the accumulated refinement of prior cultivation; others arrive at the starting point. The Egyptian priesthood knew this. The Greek Mysteries knew this. The Indian tradition knew this. The recognition of difference is not the pathology. The pathology is the claim that the difference is permanent, unbridgeable, and determined by blood rather than by effort."

1) Are inter-caste relationships harmful, or are they considered a form of race mixing?

Race and castes are not the same thing. A caste is a sub-categorization within the same race. There have been many "lower caste" individuals who have contributed greatly to the work of Gods and in this sense broke free and rose to deserve the adoration of the Gods. A "higher caste" individual who deserves good things in life because of their birth while not meditating and following arbitrary practices of Vegetarianism, Sexual Repression ect is never breaking free of the lower forces which keeps one captive at lower energy levels. To answer your question : Inter-caste marriage provided they belong to the same race is not racing mixing.

2) On one hand, the caste system can provide insight into an individual’s ancestry. On the other hand, is it true that smaller groups might face genetic issues, like recessive diseases emerging due to caste endogamy?

Can you please give some examples of this, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to here

3) What about people who are Indian but have different ancestral mixtures for example, in northwestern India, where people tend to have Aryan associated features, versus northeastern India, where people show more East Asian features?

India has been a consolidation of many princely states which came together to form a union. There has been considerable race- mixing in the sub continent that is correct. So a person from "Northwestern India" who is of Priest Caste cannot marry into a family from "North-Eastern India" who are from the same priestly class. The reason is simple the races are different. One has more Aryan traits whereas the other has more Oriental Traits. An example of this is Sikkim with a very high percentage of Oriental population which was under a monarchy previously. For reasons of geopolitical stability and safety they joined the Union of States i.e. India. The concept of race-mixing is still valid here even though they belong to the same nation

 

[Detacher]

India is made up of many different racial sub-groups, and so honestly, race-mixing in this regard probably has to be seen on a case-by-case basis.

However, if your only concern is a romantic relationship, it is usually "okay" so long as there is a strong [visible] genetic similarity.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

What probably started as a system to maintain karmic and energetic “purity” between various priestly and warrior bloodlines to evolve further by only marrying into each ofher got corrupted over time into abuse of lower castes and irrational opressive systems.

Although, people may not like it, but the brahmins are still here, where did the western priesthood (prior to Zevism) go? They’re gone, partly because they likely married into anyone and anything, messing up their priestly karma by marrying musicians or other peoples let’s say. People may not like it, but forms of eugenics like this works. The hebrews did something similar with their r a b b i s, they likely took this practice from the brahmins maybe other Pagan priesthoods of the time.

It’s simple logic really, if olympic medalists married each other and had children, there’s a high chance those children will be able to be olympic medalists too. Same logic for priesthoods and any other profession really.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

What probably started as a system to maintain karmic and energetic “purity” between various priestly and warrior bloodlines to evolve further by only marrying into each ofher got corrupted over time into abuse of lower castes and irrational opressive systems.

Although, people may not like it, but the brahmins are still here, where did the western priesthood (prior to Zevism) go? They’re gone, partly because they likely married into anyone and anything, messing up their priestly karma by marrying musicians or other peoples let’s say. People may not like it, but forms of eugenics like this works. The hebrews did something similar with their r a b b i s, they likely took this practice from the brahmins maybe other Pagan priesthoods of the time.

It’s simple logic really, if olympic medalists married each other and had children, there’s a high chance those children will be able to be olympic medalists too. Same logic for priesthoods and any other profession really.

It’s not just about “genes” either, but the combination of energies and karma.

If a priest married a priestess, their children will be far more likely to be interested into becoming priests/priestesses and be talented at it because the energies align, do that over generations and you get elite priesthood bloodlines. It’s probably a bit more complicated than that I think because of astrology.

Karma means work ultimately. A priest marrying let’s say someone who’s an utter materialist not interested in the spiritual at all is less likely to produce good future priests, because the karmic mix up isn’t as good. Their mental, emotional and physical “work” were going into opposite directions.

This caste system, despite all its faults, likely kept the brahmins existing and they are somewhat advanced reading from what HPZM has said on them before.

 

[Detacher]

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This is true, but depending on OP's reason for asking, I think this thread by @Hidden Warrior [SG] is also important to note here, particularly about elitism: Only A Zevist Partner?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

This is true, but depending on OP's reason for asking, I think this thread by @Hidden Warrior [SG] is also important to note here, particularly about elitism: Only A Zevist Partner?

The context of SG’s post was purely for practical reasons, because we are so few.

Ideally a Zevist should be with a Zevist. That is natural. Even people of other faiths tend to always go with their co-religionists, xians with xians, muslims with muslims and so on. People tend to be with people who agree with them and are like them in other ways.

The issue is, if you’re serious about the woman you want to be with, then your karmas and enrgies are going to mix not just between you but your children too. It’s a serious matter.

There’s nothing wrong with elitism. It’s not about looking down on others but elavating yourself above mediocrity. You could also use spells to try to attract a suitable woman into your life, or you could just clean and magickally guide the one you’re with, making it seen like it was her idea all along. The less yehubor in her, the easier it’ll be to steer her in the right direction, although converting yehubors seems to get a good spiritual bounty apparently. Might not sound very ethical to do that though, but you do you.

 

[Corvina0189]

Can you please give some examples of this, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to here

for example from what I know marrying in the same caste can have genetic effects over the long term. Caste groups often function as relatively closed populations in terms of marriage. This limited genetic mixing reduces overall diversity and, over generations, can lead to an increase in the frequency of certain mutations. This phenomenon is known as the founder effect. As a result, populations characterized by strong endogamy, such as some groups in India, tend to show higher frequencies of specific recessive diseases. In certain Punjabi communities, for example, increased rates of conditions like beta-thalassemia or cystic fibrosis have been observed in connection with these patterns.

 

[Nordicsupreme]

for example from what I know marrying in the same caste can have genetic effects over the long term. Caste groups often function as relatively closed populations in terms of marriage. This limited genetic mixing reduces overall diversity and, over generations, can lead to an increase in the frequency of certain mutations. This phenomenon is known as the founder effect. As a result, populations characterized by strong endogamy, such as some groups in India, tend to show higher frequencies of specific recessive diseases. In certain Punjabi communities, for example, increased rates of conditions like beta-thalassemia or cystic fibrosis have been observed in connection with these patterns.

What might make more sense here is Gotra rather than caste
Gotra represents a common ancestor in terms of a Sage. Once again this can mean spiritual capabilities of each sage
If you are asking for a more personal decision rather than a generic one for understanding its best to study your own lineage and compare with your partners for easy reference

 

[Corvina0189]

What might make more sense here is Gotra rather than caste
Gotra represents a common ancestor in terms of a Sage. Once again this can mean spiritual capabilities of each sage
If you are asking for a more personal decision rather than a generic one for understanding its best to study your own lineage and compare with your partners for easy reference

I appreciate your thorough explanation, thank you.

 

[Detacher]

There’s nothing wrong with elitism. It’s not about looking down on others but elavating yourself above mediocrity

There isn't, of course, and I personally hold myself to those higher standards, but it isn't something I use to discriminate others unless they're pure andrapoda or yehuboric minions.

So long as you enjoy their presence and/or they add value to your life, I don't think it's worth splitting hairs over unless your goal is to create some sort of Ubermensch farm or something.

Otherwise, basic "eugenics" is typically enough to house a strong soul. For example, accounting for specific traits such as intelligence and beauty or a proclivity towards higher things in general (e.g., art, music and spirituality).

And especially if you yourself are advancing, you can also ask the Gods for help as they are in charge of the process.