What does everyone here think about vegetarianism?

[DreamWolf]

Prana is in food and water.

I mean as in living off of prana without food and water aye... But that was back around the time I encountered Krishna Consciousness so the notion of jivas in the plant and cow bodies getting all that Shukriti sounded way better aye...

 

[Ayleth [TG]]

(...) I honestly am relieved though that there are no specific dietary restrictions here... I went back to meat eating once and seriously regretted it when I became a vegetarian again... I've actually been in a total turmoil for days now since I joined this conversation hearing we're supposed to eat animals, just crying day and night...

Relative to how there are levels to human life this is the same for animals. Some are more aware than others. You cannot compare that easily the consciousness of a dog/cat to a chicken.

It was very hard for me to accept this, eating meat and understanding that this is normal and okay for us to do. I was at a point where I was feeling really weak and had no energy. Meditation wasn’t as fulfilling because I wasn’t nourishing my body enough to comprehend and understand what was happening.

Do not force yourself or create trauma out of this, keep reading Clergy's sermons, do meditations and get close to the Gods.

 

[DreamWolf]

Relative to how there are levels to human life this is the same for animals. Some are more aware than others. You cannot compare that easily the consciousness of a dog/cat to a chicken.

It was very hard for me to accept this, eating meat and understanding that this is normal and okay for us to do. I was at a point where I was feeling really weak and had no energy. Meditation wasn’t as fulfilling because I wasn’t nourishing my body enough to comprehend and understand what was happening.

Do not force yourself or create trauma out of this, keep reading Clergy's sermons, do meditations and get close to the Gods.

I really appreciate thine kind words, it really means a lot to me because, well, for example I lived on a farm for a couple years once and it was a no kill farm and let me tell you... Yes, I lived on farms where the critters got killed too... They can be very emotional too... Actually had chickens too where I was seeing all kinds of behavior people don't ascribe to them... Even critters as tiny as a parakeet tend to die when a mate is suddenly gone, out of heartbreak... For example on one farm a sow got killed by the owner's decision because she stopped being able to have babies, and her mate remained heartbroken, never even having received a new mate, constantly seeking company from me... Had for example a rooster with such a tender and caring personality, always protecting and finding treats for the hens and babies, beating up the other pissant roosters raping the hens left and right... (That was on the no kill farm where even the owner told us with the guy I lived with to kill all those roosters so only ours would remain because he was so kind...) I really have an extremely hard time trying to separate them based on awareness level, for example my sister had a pet rat who had such a shy, clingy and tender personality...

It does give me comfort that Father Satan is not judgemental about my soft heart... I've had so many people telling me that I need to stop being such a bleeding heart, and hey, it's actually my forte as a mother, if I had the energy I'd get back to my passion of trying to help and uplift people too, I spent years always hunting for people who were down so that I could try to get them back on their feet emotionally aye...

I'm actually thinking about not following this thread anymore because let me tell you, I've dealt with so many people considered harsh by now, it has made me realize that being sensitive actually is the feedback system to remind one not to be awful to others... Every time I see someone not even feeling sorry for those miserable creatures just gets me alarmed and wanting to run the other way...

But then am just one more person trying to do things on my own instead of asking questions when unsure aye...

For example I came here to find answers to a million questions, but I always worry that people would find them ridiculous... But don't wanna be one of those people who keep dwelling in the wrong assumptions aye... *sigh*

I guess it might be a worthy investment to start asking them? Or give this forum a break and just focus on things alone... Damn me if I know... *sigh*

 

[Ayleth [TG]]

(...) For example I came here to find answers to a million questions, but I always worry that people would find them ridiculous... But don't wanna be one of those people who keep dwelling in the wrong assumptions aye... *sigh*

I guess it might be a worthy investment to start asking them? Or give this forum a break and just focus on things alone... Damn me if I know... *sigh*

I think it's always good to ask questions, it benefits others too. This is one way we can be guided by our GD and the Gods. Someone might send a sermon reminder, or a higher-up Zevist can answe, or the answer may arise through reflection. It’s a two-way street: we ask, but we also try to figure things out on our own... to see reality and advance. The Virtues & Ethics also help a lot.

Heads up: a soft heart can be made strong in its own way

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

That is so beautifully said, well, I guess even pathetic ole me must have a chance if Father Satan has so lovingly taken me under His wings aye... *sigh*

I honestly am relieved though that there are no specific dietary restrictions here... I went back to meat eating once and seriously regretted it when I became a vegetarian again... I've actually been in a total turmoil for days now since I joined this conversation hearing we're supposed to eat animals, just crying day and night... I for example wouldn't be able to just approach them and hurt them just to eat them... I remember hearing how dogs have the psychological makeup roughly equivalent to a nine year old child's... Many animals are killed by humans at a young age, and... Well, I wouldn't want human kids attacked for any reason, neither animals... I even considered going pranaist, as in, sustaining solely on prana, where you literally don't eat or drink anything, some people do it, there's this dude back in Hungary famous for it for example...

I mean, it's been easy while I was a years long Krishna devotee cause souls from beings offered as food stuffs would get the Mercy, but now that am here, even the plants we consume are not described to receive Shukriti? I'm still confused aye... *sigh*

Are there any here well versed in Sanatan Dharma to ask about these things?

If there is too much focus on the "end point" of life, such as damage or death, this pulls focus away from the start of life, which is the birth and creative nurturing. Both exist together as a cycle that balance each other. This is how we emotionally process negative things, not by trying to either ignore or excessively sense the negative, but by remembering the full cycle at play, learning what can be created out of the appearance of loss.

In regards to farm animals, these are birthed and cared for by us. A true farmer would take care of, even spiritually advance, his animals and crops, because they bring him value. The products and service that the animals provide becomes a beneficial and mutual trade for both species. That is what justifies the meat eating, which is very beneficial for health and actually helps drive us to spiritual advance further. So, we can use the meat as fuel to directly advance both our lives and animal lives.

 

[Yurei]

No plant contains more than 15 micronutrients that are essential for optimal health and life.
If we were supposed to be vegetarian or vegan, we would have ruminant stomachs akin to cows.
But we don't. We are omnivores, like bears, pigs, etc.
Meat is essential for us. I'd argue it's even more vital for us than plants.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

Did you know that plants are actually alive and have their own type of souls?

 

[Desdemona_666]

Did you know that plants are actually alive and have their own type of souls?

figure of the past yes, the good old: "do you know plants are alive too? do you know they can even feel pain???".

Yes I do, and the capacity of plants to react to stimuli is nowhere near the capacity of animals, especially mammalian animals to suffer. This is a dishonest and incredibly flawed argument that does asbolutely nothing for the conversation about animal welfare.

 

[Desdemona_666]

And may I even be so bold to say: crops are probably treated better than many farm animals today.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

figure of the past yes, the good old: "do you know plants are alive too? do you know they can even feel pain???".

Yes I do, and the capacity of plants to react to stimuli is nowhere near the capacity of animals, especially mammalian animals to suffer. This is a dishonest and incredibly flawed argument that does asbolutely nothing for the conversation about animal welfare.

Still living beings regardless.

The problem vegans have, is that they "feel bad" to have beings die so that can eat them.

One should just stop being a snowflake, you are human, eat like one and stop complaying.

We don't eat certain animals as these have certain bad effects on us, metaphisically and similar.

The rest is good to eat.

Do you see a lion guilt tripping over eating animals? No, it's just pathetic.

Do you want to be a suicidal empathic "saviour"? Then don't be false, and just stop eating and drinking everything, as being alive means consuming life to keep that fire going. Both plants and animals.

Want to actual be the good guy or a saviour, then become strong, do what you need to do, consume food. The other option is dissipation.

It just piss me off, people are melting their minds over a steak, like wtf.
Why on earth are you following a Warrior Path?

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

Still living beings regardless.

The problem vegans have, is that they "feel bad" to have beings die so that can eat them.

One should just stop being a snowflake, you are human, eat like one and stop complaying.

We don't eat certain animals as these have certain bad effects on us, metaphisically and similar.

The rest is good to eat.

Do you see a lion guilt tripping over eating animals? No, it's just pathetic.

Do you want to be a suicidal empathic "saviour"? Then don't be false, and just stop eating and drinking everything, as being alive means consuming life to keep that fire going. Both plants and animals.

Want to actual be the good guy or a saviour, then become strong, do what you need to do, consume food. The other option is dissipation.

It just piss me off, people are melting their minds over a steak, like wtf.
Why on earth are you following a Warrior Path?

Veganism=dietary christianity?

cult-like brainwash (check)
nobility confused with weakness (check)
obession over victimhood (check)
wanna be saviour as reality is unjust, universe should be communist heaven, everyone happy and saved, same right to live as we are all so equal. (check)
damaging, and doesn't improve anything (check)
hides behind "noble causes" (check)

I bet, that if they give chemicals to remove pain from animals before the slaughter, vegans would be cool about it, but only if the propagandists of the movements say so. (probably it will happen with bugs in the future).

Also, being favorable to better ways to manage farms, or the removal of Yehubor-approved and halal products it has nothing to do with the dietary cult of veganism. Or with eating meat at all.

Why then its a problem for you to eat an animal because he felt pain?
Who cares? Enjoy the predatory aspect of humans, you are also supposed to eat meat, then why cry about it, accept it and enjoy.
Enjoying the fruits of a martial conquer, like hunt, gives a better taste, it's like a throphy you earned.

I like the fire and conquering aspect.

 

[DreamWolf]

Woah, I was about to sit down now to respond to stuffs here I all read an hourish ago and am seeing all of them gone, a trace of note saying my comment got deleted by user request...

Uhm... Did I say something inappropriate by any chance?

I'd appreciate someone telling me so that I can do better in the future aye... Damn this is awkward...

 

[DreamWolf]

Forgot to add, I remember that sunflower emoji part about ways to become stronger...

Yep... Guess that's where I am now... Finally having a safe, peaceful home... I can catch my breath and start, baby step by baby step, working on listening to Father Satan's tender instructions to me... Learning from here helps so much... I'm sorry everyone that I'm starting from so low on the ladder, being the most pathetic damn loser in this bunch aye... Eh...

(I appreciate that comment referred to now to no end... From the very bottom of my heart... Truly... )

 

[Desdemona_666]

Woah, I was about to sit down now to respond to stuffs here I all read an hourish ago and am seeing all of them gone, a trace of note saying my comment got deleted by user request...

Maybe to avoid further arguing that could quickly go off rails, especially during the retrograde Mercury which can result in misunderstanding. To be frank, thread was starting to get heated (and I do bear some of the blame). But to set the record straight, nothing I ever wrote here was written out of malice, trolling or in bad faith, but out of my true, sincere expression and curiosity.

Hail Zeus!

 

[DreamWolf]

Maybe to avoid further arguing that could quickly go off rails, especially during the retrograde Mercury which can result in misunderstanding. To be frank, thread was starting to get heated (and I do bear some of the blame). But to set the record straight, nothing I ever wrote here was written out of malice, trolling or in bad faith, but out of my true, sincere expression and curiosity.

Hail Zeus!

Oh, I see! Thank you for telling me, I was really wondering aye! Same here by the way, I guess it's understandable in light of the subject matter, ain't no fun seeing a critter's reaction when getting killed, what to speak of factory farming aye...

But only good intentions here too, I do feel respect for those promoting taking the responsibility for proper humane treatment of critters even if they do end up getting eaten, technically speaking it's the destiny of prey animals in the wild aye...

I do believe that we humans are blessed with immense intelligence to find even ways to not have to ever utilize animal suffering, but at least if we do, let's try to treat them the way we'd wanna be treated in their shoes aye, and utilize every single body part every single time, even if that merely means composting em aye...

I for example do like how dog treats come from all manner of body parts people don't use, speaking of which, I have heard the notion that one of the reasons society is unhealthy is because of not eating organ meats... (Was my absolute favorite back when I was a meat eater, and raw meat/sea critters and raw hearts aye...) Am not sure if it's true, something about the uric acid in them preventing cancer if I recall right?

Again though, I think we shouldn't eat critters... Of course what do you do if you encounter a predator needing rescuing and care... It's part of the natural cycle, am just glad am not involved in any of it aye... *sigh* (Again though, cue the self-deluded puffed up fanfare, our money and economy all support all manners of suffering, animal, human, plant suffering, what have you aye! *sigh*)

 

[616Taysha]

Eating meat is ethical as it is necessary for human health. Regardless what we believe, or what the deranged yehuborim want us to believe.

What is UNethical, as it is UNnecessary, is killing animals to make them suffer and to prolong it in some ritualised slaughter because some alien psychopaths see it as "religion".

If one wants to argue in favor of veganism, it is their right to follow this path. But... just to be safe, perhaps one could find some vids how harmful the lack of meat, or actual vitamin b12 is...

To be clear, what I am *not* arguing in favor of is eating meat ONLY. We need plants, just as we need meat. yehuborim know how to use ideology and 'animals are friends' bs to force us to accept THEIR ideology - against Humans.

 

[616Taysha]

I know a friend who loves fasting so much he can go on just gallons of milk, but it's store bought pasteurized crap and he keeps having seizures which he already has issues with, like damn bro, eat proper meals or at least start doin Pranayama? Like damn dude... ~shakes head

Fasting while taking in calories? Pfff - you're damn right @DreamWolf your friend should eat an ACTUAL meal, not make some fake fasting. The actual fast is water fast. Autophagy is the key, but one had better have some fat tissue to last on this fast.

You can tell your acquaintance that what he's been doing - milk fasting - does not work, and he may need more information on what fasting is to ACTUALLY get the benefits.

 

[DreamWolf]

Fasting while taking in calories? Pfff - you're damn right @DreamWolf your friend should eat an ACTUAL meal, not make some fake fasting. The actual fast is water fast. Autophagy is the key, but one had better have some fat tissue to last on this fast.

You can tell your acquaintance that what he's been doing - milk fasting - does not work, and he may need more information on what fasting is to ACTUALLY get the benefits.

Yeah he's naturally hella skinny too, the type never gaining weight even though he can eat huge amounts...

And he lives on prashadatarian diet, which is super nourishing aye... I kinda get it though, I love intermittent fasting, makes the body feel lighter aye...

Water fast is super goooooodddd, for example hardcore followers of Sanatan Dharma do Nirjala Ekadashi! Once a year, but some do it every single Ekadashi, biweekly... No food, no water even, from sunrise to sunrise! Granted, Ekadashis are observed when the atmospheric pressure is lowest so it's easiest to fast apparently...

I've heard for example that if you water fast for days it cleans your pineal gland so good you get clear as day visions and guidance, so some cultures do it, vision quest style!

Always intrigued me but I wouldn't train up for it cause bein a mom takes energy aye ahaha...