Astrology #79634 Saturn at 15° Taurus 8th House

[Ask Satya Operator]

Why is this considered one of the worst degrees and how can I sublimate these energies?

Apparrently it is an "assasination degree"...? I have high social ambitions and things which indicate attracting dangerous enemies.

I developed a scar in the shape of a bullet hole exactly on my 3rd eye, does this mean I got shot in the head in a past life lol.

And if so, wud the bullet have damaged my 6th chakra/3rd eye?

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Hello, yes my friend, your post was a big help.

What you say is exactly my goals, well one of them at least.

There are some extremely fascinating and interesting things I wanted to share with you and gain your insight, but you won't allow it! And I feel too exposed to mention even through ASO.

Or well, I will tell you a trivial but interesting one, that is my bank account and library card number since I was a child both end in "666" which relates directly to my goals!

What you said about the Vatican etc., I plan on taking back everything from them.

This Saturn has been quite stubborn, though, but I have finally begun to succeed in subjugating it, which I am very pleased about.

I am currently researching on how to deal with 15° Taurus through physical actions as well as spiritual since I have found that it is 10x faster to do so.

Specifically to avoid being assasinated as I have read it is considered the assasination degree.

It is also loosely opposite SOUTH SCALE and loosely conjunct ALMACH (1.75° orb) of which the latter has a positive description, but with Saturn does that turn into the opposite meaning?

I'm aware it can be sublimated into higher octaves, but I am wondering about the raw expression so I can prioritise my workings accordingly.

This Saturn is basically the only thing I am concerned about, everything else is blessed with maxxed out stats and luck but this shit is raping me. I have to do exercise every hour and chase my goals 24/7 or it starts fuckijg me, to the point I have to avoid women/friends/family.

With regards to poverty, I am often given luck by others like some anime protagonist so I am not worried, but with the ease of my grand trine I have developed some bad habits of complacency/indulgence which my Saturn makes difficult to erase due to its stubbornness in Taurus despite 3 fixed T-squares... the tension becomes ironically easy to sublimate due to my grand trines involvement, but it is solely Saturn which has been an issue so far.

Although, I am actually starting to enjoy it... my libido/sex drive has become entirely obsessed and attached to being transmuted to uplift the Gods instead and I have lost interest in nearly every other aspect of life besides my spiritual development, knowledge/skill acquisition and restoring my nation's glory.

Will this turn into something abhorrent?

There is another question I wanted to ask you, but I will open a seperate thread about my grand trine.

It is involved in 0-2° orb of 9 fixed stars, which has made mainstream analysis of my chart somewhat off and I haven't read any books on fixed stars yet.

Thank you for your knowledge.

Greetings, Brother!

I investigated the phenomena of Saturn on highly critical violent degree and noticed that while it might completely wipe to aether the ordinary people, great people that had great influence on the world, philosophic and high mind devoid of anything lower and primitive, used their high octave Saturn to actually protect them and subdue the degree itself (which is almost impossible) to serve the greater goal.

The major example is Beethoven. He had the worst (or one of the worst) degree with his Saturn, Saturn being the highest octave as we can see from his impact. The fatal disease threatened to stand in his way of career - his sense of life, his only source of income and of consolation. As a result of his extremely high octave of Saturn (note, in exile!), the degree that can wreck a planet failed to wreck the career of a musician. Not only he never ceased to be great composer he always was and his disease never messed with his ability to hear music in his head and create it, but it actually even failed to stand in his way as a pianist which was a legendary feat that attracted to him people further. Now let me a little bit go into details about the situation of his time so that you might fully recognize the proportions of the miracle he did.

The harpsichord and organ are instruments of the older epoch that do not require a special touch — no matter how you touch them, they produce the same sound, timbre, and volume. The sound of these instruments cannot be controlled by touch (touche). However, by that time, the grand piano had already appeared, which differs from the harpsichord and organ in that its sound can be controlled. With willpower and skill, it is possible to make it quieter, louder, softer, harder, and give it a wide variety of nuances.

In Beethoven's later years when his disease increased the most, there was the grand piano in most cases awaiting on the scene.

Now just imagine a deaf musician playing an instrument that requires control over touch, which can only be provided by hearing. When a child comes to music school, the first thing everyone does is check their hearing and tell their parents that if they have perfect pitch (Absolute pitch - please read about it here), they can continue studying, but if not, it might be difficult for them. But what about the option where there is no any pitch at all? This was the case of Beethoven. Yet his concerts were legendary.

This is what high octave Saturn can do. By Saturn here I obviously do not mean any planetary body in the sky but rather the part of our soul responsible for enduring difficulties, heroism and overcoming obstacles. In lower octave his immense powers are mostly wasted on karmic debts paying and showing us mirrors. In higher octave it pays off as a power point not different to Pluto or other shamanic power point, a weapon in your hands not the hands of your fate, better say, what they call your fate, and what in psychology is called an isolated or rejected part of yourself, and what astrologers call Saturn, is now reunited and returned to its rightful place as your weapon, your instrument of accomplishing Destiny that it is designed for — the advancement of your civilization through great service. In this role and in the right hands, it is capable of overcoming everything.

Wish some proof? Saturn contains the powers of time and God Cronus. Just imagine such powers in your hands. Now imagine that Saturn is an integral inseparable part of your soul. This means that his forces belong to you and are your higher self's birth right to rule and use - against the evil inside and outside you.

You will succeed, Brother.

As for me, it is not up to me to allow or disallow such things. Astrology and related questions are not to be provided at will here, only Clergy gives people permission to help other people because only Clergy knows who can do it. If anyone ever permitted me to do this I'd do this ONLY as service for ToZ with 100% profit coming to ToZ. Yet now I am in the midst of my higher duties all of them still awaiting for being accomplished. So please wait anyway, Brother. Btw did you message HP about your chart situation or is your Tier not enough? He is willing to help.

 

[Ask Satya Operator]

Greetings, Brother!

I investigated the phenomena of Saturn on highly critical violent degree and noticed that while it might completely wipe to aether the ordinary people, great people that had great influence on the world, philosophic and high mind devoid of anything lower and primitive, used their high octave Saturn to actually protect them and subdue the degree itself (which is almost impossible) to serve the greater goal.

The major example is Beethoven. He had the worst (or one of the worst) degree with his Saturn, Saturn being the highest octave as we can see from his impact. The fatal disease threatened to stand in his way of career - his sense of life, his only source of income and of consolation. As a result of his extremely high octave of Saturn (note, in exile!), the degree that can wreck a planet failed to wreck the career of a musician. Not only he never ceased to be great composer he always was and his disease never messed with his ability to hear music in his head and create it, but it actually even failed to stand in his way as a pianist which was a legendary feat that attracted to him people further. Now let me a little bit go into details about the situation of his time so that you might fully recognize the proportions of the miracle he did.

The harpsichord and organ are instruments of the older epoch that do not require a special touch — no matter how you touch them, they produce the same sound, timbre, and volume. The sound of these instruments cannot be controlled by touch (touche). However, by that time, the grand piano had already appeared, which differs from the harpsichord and organ in that its sound can be controlled. With willpower and skill, it is possible to make it quieter, louder, softer, harder, and give it a wide variety of nuances.

In Beethoven's later years when his disease increased the most, there was the grand piano in most cases awaiting on the scene.

Now just imagine a deaf musician playing an instrument that requires control over touch, which can only be provided by hearing. When a child comes to music school, the first thing everyone does is check their hearing and tell their parents that if they have perfect pitch (Absolute pitch - please read about it here), they can continue studying, but if not, it might be difficult for them. But what about the option where there is no any pitch at all? This was the case of Beethoven. Yet his concerts were legendary.

This is what high octave Saturn can do. By Saturn here I obviously do not mean any planetary body in the sky but rather the part of our soul responsible for enduring difficulties, heroism and overcoming obstacles. In lower octave his immense powers are mostly wasted on karmic debts paying and showing us mirrors. In higher octave it pays off as a power point not different to Pluto or other shamanic power point, a weapon in your hands not the hands of your fate, better say, what they call your fate, and what in psychology is called an isolated or rejected part of yourself, and what astrologers call Saturn, is now reunited and returned to its rightful place as your weapon, your instrument of accomplishing Destiny that it is designed for — the advancement of your civilization through great service. In this role and in the right hands, it is capable of overcoming everything.

Wish some proof? Saturn contains the powers of time and God Cronus. Just imagine such powers in your hands. Now imagine that Saturn is an integral inseparable part of your soul. This means that his forces belong to you and are your higher self's birth right to rule and use - against the evil inside and outside you.

You will succeed, Brother.

As for me, it is not up to me to allow or disallow such things. Astrology and related questions are not to be provided at will here, only Clergy gives people permission to help other people because only Clergy knows who can do it. If anyone ever permitted me to do this I'd do this ONLY as service for ToZ with 100% profit coming to ToZ. Yet now I am in the midst of my higher duties all of them still awaiting for being accomplished. So please wait anyway, Brother. Btw did you message HP about your chart situation or is your Tier not enough? He is willing to help.

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The notion of turning Saturn into your weapon put things into perspective and resonates for me. The thought that has been ocurring is to become a "trident".

What Beethoven accomplished with his Saturn is near miraculous, I wonder what created such an impetus in the man to go forward instead of relenting to his fate?

Would you say through discipline, long-term planning, and subjugating one's primitive lower octave behaviours is all that is needed to turn Saturn into your favour?

Do you have any resources/books you'd recommend on the nature of Saturn in terms of its more positive connotations?

And the other thing I wanted to ask is about this configuration since I haven't found much which is useful online.

Dissassociated grand trine between:
- CR Venus in Virgo 11th >
- Mars in Sagittarius 3rd >
- Rx. Jupiter in Taurus 7th + 8th cusp >
- Jupiter opposite Moon in Libra 1st (forming a Kite (?)) which is also conjunct the Sun by °8 orb, Moon in later degree)

I am wondering about the interaction between Martial and Venusian energies.

Can this help one's sexual energy to be effectively chanelled into one's "self" and humanitarian work instead of relationships etc, and is this the best expression of it?

I'm not as sure due to the 8th influence.

(Additional info, but it may complicate your respone so the main thing I am interested in is the above):

Dissasociated grand trine:

- Ruler of DC = Mars in Sagittarius 3rd conjunct Aculeus and Acumen and Lesath >
- CR Venus in Virgo 11th conjunct Regulus, and opposite Formalhaut and Deneb Adige >
- Rx. Jupiter in Taurus 7th + 8th cusp conjunct Mirach at the handle of bucket chart and also forming a Kite to Libra Moon 1st house which is conjunct Spica and Arcturus, and conjunct the Sun in 1st.

(Note: some of these are looser at 2° orb, but they are my chart rulers, so I thought to raise the orb of influence slightly - is this incorrect to do?)

I want to lead my nation/continent and turn it into a utopia with the help of the Gods because I don't trust anyone else do it as well as I could.

But this will take at least 30 years of planning (mostly waiting) and another few decades to fully execute by around 2075 or so

So in the meantime I am focusing on the West/Europe, since there's no point until it is fixed.

Also Mars is in same house/sign (3rd) as Pluto which is conjunct Antares and also conjunct Lillith to make a pseudo-stellium, can this be read as Pluto conjunct Mars or not (it's not making a direct aspect) because some Vedic people say so if it is in the same house/sign.

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I did not want to bother HP with this, as I'm sure he is busy and I can wait.

I am curious about your higher duties/goals though, if you are allowed to say.

But with regards to astrology, I am just wanting a Zevist lens on certain things to orient myself for these next few months/years

I assume clergy do not permit this because some people will react negatively or delusionally to bad news or misinterpret tge reader as per HPS Lydia's thread on Tarot

But besides this Saturn my chart and life is basically maximum benefic comic book tier luck and charmed with only minor issues, and also high practical rational thinking.

So I will not run away with the wind in delusions or negativity, and there is basically nothing negative to point out anyway which isn't already counteracted by some huge positive.

It's basically a perfect chart, if I can manage to sublimate this massive karmas, which admittedly I have somewhat neglected thus far but I'm getting there.

But in that context I don't think it is a problem, and nothing bad will happen? And I assume you have looked at your friends' charts also?

So I'm not sure if it's an ethics concern or something else?

But I'd like you to send a message anyway, but I won't harp on it any longer

Thank you for your knowledge!