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Hello. I have read your post and I need to say and clarify to everyone based on my understanding that this is not how things work in the world/Universe.

The Gods are not attempting to supervise our world or manipulate or force certain decisions. The Gods have created Humanity (and possibly other civilizations too), but as with any other living being that exists under universal laws, we are sovereign lifeforms that are responsible for our decisions and our evolution. The Gods will help us improve and create a greater civilization granted we reach out to them with understanding of the implications and doing what we must do to evolve with Their guidance and knowledge, and not with Their direct intervention and pampering.

If we get to the lowest "izfetic" stupidity of destroying ourselves with nukes or similar, the Gods are not going to intervene to stop the loss of human life for example and also, what good would it be in Their intervention if humanity is so far under in the awareness scale that the people who press the buttons to send rockets left and right don't even believe in the Gods? Nobody will learn nothing from Their intervention (and even if they did, that still won't warrant any because that's not how things work), whereas, if ethical people with awareness and understanding of the Gods would be at the buttons, most of the world's issues are probably going to get resolved by diplomacy and without sending any rocket left and right. Nonetheless people who make themselves responsible for atrocities are going to be judged accordingly.

To make a comparison, if you think of a hive of bees, those bees are also sovereign entities that do what they have naturally evolved to do. We as humans (i.e much more advanced and elevated beings, sometimes) observe what they are doing but it does not mean that we should interfere in how a queen rules its hive or how a bee pollinates a flower or other things they is in their natural instinct to do. This also includes negativity such as when for whatever reason bees attack or kill each other, which does happen as well. It does not mean that we as superior forces should interfere with the course of nature and stop such negativity. The same dynamic exists between humans and the Gods: If we are ready and determined to evolve ourselves, They will help massively, offer knowledge (which you can see here on ToZ in many occasions), guide, offer affection and everything that striving beings that are strong in the spirit are worthy of receiving.

This works only when the determination comes from within us as sovereign beings, not when the determination is "inflicted" on us by superior beings, the Universe does not work like this. On the other hand if we reach depths of evil which is most of the time by our own degeneration the Gods have no obligation or interest to simply lift us out of the mess we created because we will get into that same situation straight away and no natural evolution happens. It's like trying to hide the drugs away from your drug-addict child, they are just going to go buy some more and continue on the self-destruction path. Whereas if you explain to him/her the risks involved on long term and offer to guide them, if they are beings with some self-awareness left within, they might understand and push themselves to stop addiction (any sort of addiction can only be stopped by your own personal willpower, no medical treatment or anything will simply make addiction disappear). This is how things work between humans and the Gods in my understanding.

I have endured too much
too many spells that did not work, too many cries to them full of pain and unanswered, too much information coming from all sides, too many fake, crazy, good, evil people, but no god.

One may cry to the Gods and most likely They have tried to reach out to guide and help, but how can this be utilized if your channels of receiving any sort of information from Them is blocked? If you read High Priest Zevios' sermon about how the Gods appear to us, on the scale of 1 to 5 what number do you consider you belong to?
https://ancient-forums.com/threads/how-the-gods-appear-to-initiates-the-5-levels-of-divine-revelation.306989/

As about spells that did not work, it is actually not easy to make spells work. It requires not only doing the spell itself, but empowering your being not only spiritually (by meditation, yoga etc.) but also physically (overcoming poverty, eating healthy, training. etc). What is your history with these? How spells are "going to work" is a gradual process that builds on your spiritual and physical advancement.

Without mistakes, there is no learning; without learning, there is no growth. Walking hand in hand with the gods must be a conscious choice. These are the freedoms they have granted us as sovereign beings—freedoms they respect above all else. They inspire freedom, not slavery.
SG. The Alchemist7 is quite clear; I recommend that you read the sermons of our great clergy—you will find answers to many of your questions. May the Gods bless you and guide you; I pray to Lord Mithra that his light may dispel your doubts.

HAIL ZEUS! HAIL SATYA!

what number do you consider you belong to?

Thanks for the answer and I appreciate the effort, but the answer is I don't belong.
I used to belong to number one, but that brought me paranoia and loss

How spells are "going to work" is a gradual process that builds on your spiritual and physical advancement.

that is, I basically trick my brain with different affirmations
to advance and get what I want
it turns out that Anton Lavey and science are right thanks for the answer

Without mistakes, there is no learning; without learning, there is no growth. Walking hand in hand with the gods must be a conscious choice. These are the freedoms they have granted us as sovereign beings—freedoms they respect above all else. They inspire freedom, not slavery.
SG. The Alchemist7 is quite clear; I recommend that you read the sermons of our great clergy—you will find answers to many of your questions. May the Gods bless you and guide you; I pray to Lord Mithra that his light may dispel your doubts.

HAIL ZEUS! HAIL SATYA!

I certainly don't want your blessings and you will certainly pray in vain.

I have no doubt that I have simply matured. and realized the real secrets of human reality and how man works

However, I cannot come here after others have worked on this for decades to say that it is a mistake or something like that,
my upbringing simply does not allow it.
no matter how much I have lost or how much I have isolated myself because I have blindly believed

If the gods simply watch as certain artists are worshipped by millions of people in their place and do not show us their existence in a form in which all people would perceive it, then why should I still believe?

If the gods allow billions of people to believe in something that does not exist and in a farce like Jesus, then why should I not believe?

yes, maybe now you are saying that there are certain barriers and laws of the universe that prevent the appearances of gods in our world
but that is too much

The fundamental belief that the Gods have to convince every person, is similar as if saying humans have to prove themselves to all fish in the sea of superiority. Even if that were attempted, it likely wouldn't work.

By logical interpolations I can make 500 on why the Gods exist and you can make another 500 on why they might not exist.

These thoughts will come because primarily, how one sees the Divine is through distorted lenses which as I can see, have wrong pressupositions; for example that the Gods HAVE to help by mandate of force or proof of superiority, or that by saving them, I would be understood/appreciated/idolized; there are many assumptions in your approach.

Allow genuine curiosity to take place and re-approach with an open mind. Your mind has to be open. Don't expect to grow muscle solely by affirmations. A series of numerous assumptions, can lead to any of the 500 misplaced conclusions. This doesn't prove the validity of this place which is factual to others beyond a doubt.

If the gods simply watch as certain artists are worshipped by millions of people in their place and do not show us their existence in a form in which all people would perceive it, then why should I still believe?

If the gods allow billions of people to believe in something that does not exist and in a farce like Jesus, then why should I not believe?

yes, maybe now you are saying that there are certain barriers and laws of the universe that prevent the appearances of gods in our world
but that is too much

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We do not believe, we know that Gods exist, things are we doing, we doing because that's ours dity, I'm for example don't do translations because I receive money, i just want the other people know the truth. If you will do nothing, you will get nothing, it's the same if you wanna grew up the tree without giving it water

The fundamental belief that the Gods have to convince every person, is similar as if saying humans have to prove themselves to all fish in the sea of superiority. Even if that were attempted, it likely wouldn't work.

By logical interpolations I can make 500 on why the Gods exist and you can make another 500 on why they might not exist.

These thoughts will come because primarily, how one sees the Divine is through distorted lenses which as I can see, have wrong pressupositions; for example that the Gods HAVE to help by mandate of force or proof of superiority, or that by saving them, I would be understood/appreciated/idolized; there are many assumptions in your approach.

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You are mostly right, but why should I listen to you?
If I listen to you and follow your advice, guidance, sermons, and act exactly as you say, with an open mind, do you guarantee that I will get what I want and that my life will change for the better?

Noi nu credem, știm că există zei, facem lucruri, le facem pentru că asta e treaba noastră, eu, de exemplu, nu fac traduceri pentru că primesc bani, vreau doar ca ceilalți să știe adevărul. Dacă nu faci nimic, nu vei primi nimic, e la fel dacă vrei să crești copacul fără să-i dai apă.

I spent 70 days performing rituals to attract money. I would go to work for 10 hours, come home, and immediately start my spells. Sometimes I’d even fall asleep in the middle of them, wake up, and start all over again.
This went on for 70 days straight, until I realized I was still in the exact same spot. You think I’m doing nothing? 🤣🤣🤣🥱 Those are just the same useless assumptions. I’m a man who sometimes works two shifts in a row.
Mainly, what I gathered from what you wrote is this: if you don’t help T.O.Z., you get nothing 😆 (typical LaVey).
But here is my question for you, my friend: Where was T.O.Z. when others were punching and kicking me all over my body? Where was T.O.Z. when I was starving and being mocked?
🙏🙏 I wish you nothing but the best, brother. I truly hope you never have to go through what I did. The point is, this whole situation showed me that I am alone and that I have no one, no matter who God is."

Dude seriously?! Destroyer look open your eyes, scroll thru the forum and look at the posts of people whom have had their lives touched by the gods then look at the ones like you who fight back. The difference you'll see is that the ones who embrace the Path find more Life in Life itself. This isn't about getting millions, sex, or whatever but by uplifting our very souls and bringing to this world back the light of the real, true Gods of this world. Sure doing so can get you a lot of things but you have "put legs on those prayers". Come on dude don't turn this into another Stranger thread. Please just read the TOZ and try. How about this, for the rest of this year you put in the work the actual work that the forum and TOZ talks about and by December see how you feel. Not outside stuff but how you feel inside. Put in the real honest work and see what happens.

Hail Father Zeus

The fundamental belief that the Gods have to convince every person, is similar as if saying humans have to prove themselves to all fish in the sea of superiority. Even if that were attempted, it likely wouldn't work.

By logical interpolations I can make 500 on why the Gods exist and you can make another 500 on why they might not exist.

These thoughts will come because primarily, how one sees the Divine is through distorted lenses which as I can see, have wrong pressupositions; for example that the Gods HAVE to help by mandate of force or proof of superiority, or that by saving them, I would be understood/appreciated/idolized; there are many assumptions in your approach.

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Can you please exclude me from this site?

You are mostly right, but why should I listen to you?
If I listen to you and follow your advice, guidance, sermons, and act exactly as you say, with an open mind, do you guarantee that I will get what I want and that my life will change for the better?

There are countless testimonials by members attesting to a real change. I encourage you to search for various experiences. People are not talking just for the sake of talking, after all.

do you guarantee

No, no one can guarantee you anything, just as you cannot guarantee that you will follow HPZM's and Gods' advice to the letter. No one can give anybody this certainty.

One of the three things 100% certain in this life are suffering, or struggle. This is something that can actually make us stronger.

Instead of counting on somebody's promises, do your best to become the best version of yourself, despite flaws, despite failures which WILL come.

Zevism is about strength and perseverance.

I spent 70 days performing rituals to attract money. I would go to work for 10 hours, come home, and immediately start my spells. Sometimes I’d even fall asleep in the middle of them, wake up, and start all over again.
This went on for 70 days straight, until I realized I was still in the exact same spot. You think I’m doing nothing? 🤣🤣🤣🥱 Those are just the same useless assumptions. I’m a man who sometimes works two shifts in a row.
Mainly, what I gathered from what you wrote is this: if you don’t help T.O.Z., you get nothing 😆 (typical LaVey).
But here is my question for you, my friend: Where was T.O.Z. when others were punching and kicking me all over my body? Where was T.O.Z. when I was starving and being mocked?
🙏🙏 I wish you nothing but the best, brother. I truly hope you never have to go through what I did. The point is, this whole situation showed me that I am alone and that I have no one, no matter who God is."

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Yes but at the same time, on these 70 days, did you absolutely change anything; as in, attempting to achieve new knowledge, acting on input that might have entered your mind, or anything of this? Most likely no. You were just waiting. Waiting has to be combined with actual actions toward the goal.

To overturn a severe financial downturn, with Magick and make it permanent, it can take at least 1 year. For outsiders, it might never occur if they don't change anything unless they inherit.

Proof of the influence of the Gods is when you can lift yourself through and I believe that in these messages this is what you seek. Like you complain the community does not exist and here it is answering you, for example.

On a personal note I have lived through way worse situations; deaths, tragedies, fights, astral or material issues of heaviest forms. The list is long. Others have also, that did affect them but did not stop them. The first year I dedicated, was the most chaotic and violent of my life; the same was for the second year. Didn't blame the Gods for it or people back then, it is what it is and life has that embed inside.

Do not assume suffering won't happen, you have difficulties like everyone else, the unanimous suffering of the whole world does not belong to a singular person. What that others might not have went through the same things and overcame them, is proof of this.

When you don't get anything you want out of Zevism or life you kind of have to sit there, evolve and troubleshoot it. Basically it's how Zevism applies.

If you just dismiss everything the same process will occur everywhere in your life and when it does, you will see that Zevism was here to help you and it actually told you the truth.

I totally respect your decision but it's like throwing one's luck away because one is used to misfortune.

I spent 70 days performing rituals to attract money. I would go to work for 10 hours, come home, and immediately start my spells. Sometimes I’d even fall asleep in the middle of them, wake up, and start all over again.
This went on for 70 days straight, until I realized I was still in the exact same spot. You think I’m doing nothing? 🤣🤣🤣🥱 Those are just the same useless assumptions. I’m a man who sometimes works two shifts in a row.
Mainly, what I gathered from what you wrote is this: if you don’t help T.O.Z., you get nothing 😆 (typical LaVey).
But here is my question for you, my friend: Where was T.O.Z. when others were punching and kicking me all over my body? Where was T.O.Z. when I was starving and being mocked?
🙏🙏 I wish you nothing but the best, brother. I truly hope you never have to go through what I did. The point is, this whole situation showed me that I am alone and that I have no one, no matter who God is."

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When i help TOZ i help myself at the first place because our interests align.
I'm doing this out of my selfishness because I'm sick of this Yehubor reality, I'm not an altruist
I wanna live in the best reality as posible and i wanna create that around myself somehow. And yes, i had shity situations in my life as well, and i was beaten up as well but that doesn't mean i have to become restless underdog who unhappy with that i got now. But if you think that way - you doomed
Stop being a victim, true Pagan/Zevist have no right to beign victim novadays, we're living amongs Abrarahamic folks everywhere, they're are billions but our equals are non!
We are warriors of light and must not back down in the face of obstacles.
You're not Hercules, the gods aren't asking you to slay the Hydra or take down the Giant Lion. Just take responsibility for your own life and keep moving forward.
The gods do not ask much of us, only that we seek the truth in all its forms

Heil Satvrn

I spent 70 days performing rituals to attract money. I would go to work for 10 hours, come home, and immediately start my spells. Sometimes I’d even fall asleep in the middle of them, wake up, and start all over again.
This went on for 70 days straight, until I realized I was still in the exact same spot. You think I’m doing nothing? 🤣🤣🤣🥱 Those are just the same useless assumptions. I’m a man who sometimes works two shifts in a row.
Mainly, what I gathered from what you wrote is this: if you don’t help T.O.Z., you get nothing 😆 (typical LaVey).
But here is my question for you, my friend: Where was T.O.Z. when others were punching and kicking me all over my body? Where was T.O.Z. when I was starving and being mocked?
🙏🙏 I wish you nothing but the best, brother. I truly hope you never have to go through what I did. The point is, this whole situation showed me that I am alone and that I have no one, no matter who God is."

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And yes, about LaVey, i read Satanic bible of him, and it's seems you realy have no idea that u talking about if u realy compare TOZ to LaVey's Satanism, it's just like compare earth and heavens (almost literaly) LaVey's Satanism is merely a reaction to Abrahamic religion, he blended Nietzschean philosophy with hedonism, and the result was what it was. When we were called JOS, we were also a reaction, but those days are in the past

Yes but at the same time, on these 70 days, did you absolutely change anything; as in, attempting to achieve new knowledge, acting on input that might have entered your mind, or anything of this? Most likely no. You were just waiting. Waiting has to be combined with actual actions toward the goal.

honestly I didn't change anything about the way I managed my money in those 70 days
I still continued to play games of chance

To overturn a severe financial downturn, with Magick and make it permanent, it can take at least 1 year. For outsiders, it might never occur if they don't change anything unless they inherit

I have nothing to inherit except my parents' desire to become someone.
or at least a man with a family

The first year I dedicated, was the most chaotic and violent of my life;

That's how it was for me, the first year I dedicated myself.
I thought I was going crazy and sometimes I thought I was in a dream,
(mostly due to the substances I took )

Do not assume suffering won't happen, you have difficulties like everyone else,

yes indeed, but for some time now I can't get out of the situation I'm in, meaning there's always some obstacle, some imbalance that brings me back to the same point.

honestly I didn't change anything about the way I managed my money in those 70 days
I still continued to play games of chance

I have nothing to inherit except my parents' desire to become someone.
or at least a man with a family

That's how it was for me, the first year I dedicated myself.
I thought I was going crazy and sometimes I thought I was in a dream,
(mostly due to the substances I took )

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I totally understand. Don't worry we have all been there. In my first 2 months I was doing the PDF for wealth and then going into the lottery house like an idiot and expecting to win.

I actually won a few times; understood this wouldn't save me from what I was really asking. Thought they would tell me the lottery and all that, felt convenient. Even if they told me the lottery in retrospect after 17 years in this, I understand I would be again bankrupt as I was totally ignorant. Winning anything would be wasted again in a cycle of ignorance.

I did not know nothing about money or wealth at all and expected a quick bailout for emotional reasons; I projected this to the Gods and even tried to do the same thing you do here, I was fed up (but did not give up as I knew there was more to life and the knowledge).

For wealth generation long term, you must start accumulating at least a form of some assets (look up what assets vs liabilities are) or invest in yourself and skills or tools to create more wealth with. Investing in yourself (job, spiritual progress, actual skills) is the fastest way. It's better to save for objects or skills that will give you more returns of money or give you life advantage.

Gambling or games of chance is not it. In the rare case one wins, one might see they have lost more from this in the process.

The above doesn't mean your spells doesn't work it means knowledge is lacking.

As for not inheriting, don't worry, this is also something I am familiar with. Started from minus in existence in general. Therefore without this one has to accept that they have to start from ground up. It's good enough if you don't have tremendous debts or health issues (very bad things). Unless you have these you are in zero.

Substances, no comment. You must get out of this, these just affect your judgement and they are also a financial and health net loss. You lose more than you gain in all domains.

Change habits, start education and definitely cut substances. The spiritual means aid you from the back to this, and then you must take the steps. There are no other long-term and formidable ways to turn this around.

Set 3 years plan minimum for this and do your earnest to manifest your full will to stay on this. Your previous lifestyle has taught you that quick reactions is progress (drugs = altered state in 10 seconds), (gambling = instant reward), (If I don't get my way immediately = that shit ain't working). This programmed you to not see things very clearly, but new knowledge and ethic can help you here.

If you practice what I tell you above for 3 years you WILL see life getting better.

Give this gift to yourself and start from where you are, and you'll see. No empty promises the above is functional advice.

When you don't get anything you want out of Zevism or life you kind of have to sit there, evolve and troubleshoot it. Basically it's how Zevism applies.

If you just dismiss everything the same process will occur everywhere in your life and when it does, you will see that Zevism was here to help you and it actually told you the truth.

I totally respect your decision but it's like throwing one's luck away because one is used to misfortune.

Okay, you won. You’re amazing, and I truly respect and appreciate everything you do; your ideas are absolute. Starting now, I will follow your teachings and listen to you and the others. I’m going to dedicate myself much more, read with greater attention, and, above all, strive to change. I will leave all my addictions and bad habits behind where they belong, so I can finally become truly free."