Why did the Vikings worship the Norse Gods (Odin/Satan) but raped women in every village they pillaged?

[DontTellMeWhatToDo]

Any answers please? Thank you.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Because that's what wars do. Theoretically everyone was following the Gods, but timelines, wars, actions, and other things like this, are on people.

What makes them more or less evil in their historical context [which it happened anywhere during these conditions]. The Natives did it, the Africans did it, the Arabs did it, and the Romans too. Romans even instated a law that rape of foreign women in invaded would incur a penalty of death, and still some people did it and were executed as a result.

Today, people are faced with 20 years in prison, and they still can do all sorts of bad acts.

Not every culture that simply followed something means that every person in it actually followed whatever the culture was.

The average person even during these times was quite distant from the Gods. Don't imagine that every single person down the street was coming to you on levitation and was on a holy state all the time. These people were more back then, but not everyone.

Scarcity, war and other things bring out the worst in humans.

 

[NinRick]

Because that's what wars do. Theoretically everyone was following the Gods, but timelines, wars, actions, and other things like this, are on people.

What makes them more or less evil in their historical context [which it happened anywhere during these conditions]. The Natives did it, the Africans did it, the Arabs did it, and the Romans too. Romans even instated a law that rape of foreign women in invaded would incur a penalty of death, and still some people did it and were executed as a result.

Today, people are faced with 20 years in prison, and they still can do all sorts of bad acts.

Not every culture that simply followed something means that every person in it actually followed whatever the culture was.

The average person even during these times was quite distant from the Gods. Don't imagine that every single person down the street was coming to you on levitation and was on a holy state all the time. These people were more back then, but not everyone.

Scarcity, war and other things bring out the worst in humans.

I really respect and appreciate your deep understanding of so many things, and that you smash any and all doubts of people with your explanations!

 

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

(...) The Age of the Vikings by Anders Winroth.

Thanks, would you happen to have a pdf file? I can't find it anywhere.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

(...) The Age of the Vikings by Anders Winroth.

Thanks, would you happen to have a pdf file? I can't find it anywhere.

http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=17070B47ACE81364BFE4711312133CB9
Click on one of the "mirrors" links like libgen.lc or libgen.pw then click Get.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Because that's what wars do. Theoretically everyone was following the Gods, but timelines, wars, actions, and other things like this, are on people.

What makes them more or less evil in their historical context [which it happened anywhere during these conditions]. The Natives did it, the Africans did it, the Arabs did it, and the Romans too. Romans even instated a law that rape of foreign women in invaded would incur a penalty of death, and still some people did it and were executed as a result.

Today, people are faced with 20 years in prison, and they still can do all sorts of bad acts.

Not every culture that simply followed something means that every person in it actually followed whatever the culture was.

The average person even during these times was quite distant from the Gods. Don't imagine that every single person down the street was coming to you on levitation and was on a holy state all the time. These people were more back then, but not everyone.

Scarcity, war and other things bring out the worst in humans.

That's exactly it, not everyone was a spiritual person, some soldiers were mercenaries who only saw wars as a way to earn gold and get rich.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Also killing somebody was allowed in Viking society if there was a reason for it. It was only considered murder if the person who does it lies about it or tries to hide it. The rule in many places was 3 houses, after killing they have to confess to somebody within walking past the first 3 houses walking away. And if they go further than that without telling anyone then they are trying to hide it and they are guilty of an unjustified murder. In some places instead of this rule about 3 houses the rule was they had to tell the first person they see. But if they do tell someone, and they explain that they had a good reason for it, then it is allowed and justified.

They did have the death penalty for serious crimes where the whole village would enforce it if the person did something really bad. Like unjustified murder would be one of these crimes. But even for a small crime that we would not consider being worth a death penalty now, the victim of the crime could kill them for it and say that this was the reason for it, and it would be likely to be allowed. The chief would judge and decide if the reason was large and valid enough.

My point is that if any woman was ever raped, the woman's family and probably everybody else in the village too would kill the person who did it. They would do it proudly and celebrate that they have gotten revenge on the person who has done such a horrible crime. Vikings cared very much about what they think are honorable actions, and it would be one of the highest honorable actions to punish a rapist by killing him.

Women had all of the same rights as men, and were treated with an equal amount of respect. Actually women were loved and were protected by the whole village. Any crime against a woman or child was usually considered to be much worse than the same crime against a man, so the punishment for it was also worse. Any rapist, pedophile, or unjustified murderer, they would get the death penalty. Actually they would get worse than that, they would usually be tortured in some horrible way if they were guilty of really bad crimes. The story of the "blood eagle" is fictional and based on a misunderstanding and incorrect translation, but there were other torture that were done as punishment for crimes.

 

[serpentwalker666]

Also killing somebody was allowed in Viking society if there was a reason for it. It was only considered murder if the person who does it lies about it or tries to hide it. The rule in many places was 3 houses, after killing they have to confess to somebody within walking past the first 3 houses walking away. And if they go further than that without telling anyone then they are trying to hide it and they are guilty of an unjustified murder. In some places instead of this rule about 3 houses the rule was they had to tell the first person they see. But if they do tell someone, and they explain that they had a good reason for it, then it is allowed and justified.

They did have the death penalty for serious crimes where the whole village would enforce it if the person did something really bad. Like unjustified murder would be one of these crimes. But even for a small crime that we would not consider being worth a death penalty now, the victim of the crime could kill them for it and say that this was the reason for it, and it would be likely to be allowed. The chief would judge and decide if the reason was large and valid enough.

My point is that if any woman was ever raped, the woman's family and probably everybody else in the village too would kill the person who did it. They would do it proudly and celebrate that they have gotten revenge on the person who has done such a horrible crime. Vikings cared very much about what they think are honorable actions, and it would be one of the highest honorable actions to punish a rapist by killing him.

Women had all of the same rights as men, and were treated with an equal amount of respect. Actually women were loved and were protected by the whole village. Any crime against a woman or child was usually considered to be much worse than the same crime against a man, so the punishment for it was also worse. Any rapist, pedophile, or unjustified murderer, they would get the death penalty. Actually they would get worse than that, they would usually be tortured in some horrible way if they were guilty of really bad crimes. The story of the "blood eagle" is fictional and based on a misunderstanding and incorrect translation, but there were other torture that were done as punishment for crimes.

Appreciate the information. I apologize for being harsh towards your post.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Storm, you've posted this before - go away!

If you don't have anything fruitful or valuable to add, or any words to refute the arguments/points of others, why waste words like this?

This is not how one reaches beneficial and truthful conclusions on any subject.

It is disappointing to see that the moment you encounter a wall where your words are challenged by someone, you immediately resort to this kind of ego driven dismissal.

If you want to advance as a person, do evaluate how you respond when others challenge your words in a reasonable way, as this kind of reply doesn't get you or the discussion anywhere.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Appreciate the information. I apologize for being harsh towards your post.

Don't worry brother. I don't think you were harsh at all. You were just sharing more ideas which is important.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

The show Vikings actually did a very great job at showing what Viking society was like. I can't remember seeing anything that was wrong or incorrect in any of it. Some historical events or historical characters did some things that didn't really happen that way, but the general way people lived was accurate.

 

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=17070B47ACE81364BFE4711312133CB9
Click on one of the "mirrors" links like libgen.lc or libgen.pw then click Get.

Great! Thank you very much. I love the Viking Culture, but I always have to read between the lines, I always had a hard time believing the Vikings were all barbarians. The Celts are also sometimes depicted in a similar fashion, which I also believe to be wrong.
By the way, awesome song in your signature!

(...) also this video is a good introduction: https://youtu.be/AmjEVDa6aOY

Thank you, very informative video. Wish I could find that book "The Outbreak of the Viking Age" by Torgrim Titlestad. I couldn't find it anywhere either. If anyone has it and could share, would be appreciated!

 

[Aquarius]

The show Vikings actually did a very great job at showing what Viking society was like. I can't remember seeing anything that was wrong or incorrect in any of it. Some historical events or historical characters did some things that didn't really happen that way, but the general way people lived was accurate.

Like sharing their wife with xian monks and having loud sex a couple of meters by their children? :lol:

 

[Gearshift]

Isn't the rational just to state. There were a few isolated incident/incidents based on a/an Viking person/persons. And thus everything went smoothly but to the enemy they want to isolate and create huge spectacles on situations that were no biggie.

If the Vikings had a War Consciousness in other words Gentile approach. And they dealt with negative scum who were not following the conduct of war. Then doesn't that mean barring isolated incident/incidents the Vikings were pretty straightforward in conducting war like the other civilizations in an Gentleman's way.

It seems to me like the enemy wishes to aggrandize the whole Ancients are dumb 'n' shiet. When as time has come by it seems the Ancients had a wonderful expression of life that in some case rivals so-called Modern society. HP.Cobra and his statement of Egypt for Dummies paints a good picture on Egyptians and like he mentioned "It seems Egyptian middle class was on a higher level than even modern day middle class in our current times".

Seems like the enemy is rocking the longboat just for the hell of it. I'm glad this thread popped up funny this past week and half I ran into some Viking music on youtube. I listened a bit to one album and it's like is this Tibetan chanting or Hindu Mantra. I'm guessing this the synchronicity some of our members get.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danheim
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=danheim

 

[darkmonkey666]

https://youtu.be/ORnnVXiVAVM

 

[Stormblood]

Storm, you've posted this before - go away!

If you don't have anything fruitful or valuable to add, or any words to refute the arguments/points of others, why waste words like this?

This is not how one reaches beneficial and truthful conclusions on any subject.

It is disappointing to see that the moment you encounter a wall where your words are challenged by someone, you immediately resort to this kind of ego driven dismissal.

If you want to advance as a person, do evaluate how you respond when others challenge your words in a reasonable way, as this kind of reply doesn't get you or the discussion anywhere.

Ohhh...."waffle, waffle, waffle". Who are you referring to? Me or Storm? He is an anvanced member and quite capable of looking after himself. I'm also aware of a rivalry here between you two for some time. But, that doesn't change the fact that you have the unsightly habit of offering your opinion (and we all know how unfathomable and wise that is) when it is neither asked for or wanted. It is very tiring for everyone here! If you want the job of moderator then I suggest you apply for it. Either way, I strongly suggest you stay out of things that don't concern you.

I am not sure of what rivalry you are referring to. I love VoE's writing style and I respect his experience, even if disagree on some things that we discussed in the past. Never, however, have we had a heated argument or anything like that. I also do not recall either of us trying to appear wiser or more advanced than the other just for the sake of showing off or establishing dominance.

 

[Aquarius]

Storm, you've posted this before - go away!

If you don't have anything fruitful or valuable to add, or any words to refute the arguments/points of others, why waste words like this?

This is not how one reaches beneficial and truthful conclusions on any subject.

It is disappointing to see that the moment you encounter a wall where your words are challenged by someone, you immediately resort to this kind of ego driven dismissal.

If you want to advance as a person, do evaluate how you respond when others challenge your words in a reasonable way, as this kind of reply doesn't get you or the discussion anywhere.

Ohhh...."waffle, waffle, waffle". Who are you referring to? Me or Storm? He is an anvanced member and quite capable of looking after himself. I'm also aware of a rivalry here between you two for some time. But, that doesn't change the fact that you have the unsightly habit of offering your opinion (and we all know how unfathomable and wise that is) when it is neither asked for or wanted. It is very tiring for everyone here! If you want the job of moderator then I suggest you apply for it. Either way, I strongly suggest you stay out of things that don't concern you.

Perhaps your need to pick a bone with both advanced members for absolutely no reason stems from an inferiority complex? You might want to look into that.

 

[Ài Gōng]

There were 2 instances of human sacrifice and 2 or 3 random rapes or simply tormenting villagers while insinuating Bjorn or Harald took part in it.
People said here that The Last Kingdom was much better https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=195263#p195263
I'd like to know if anyone read the novels can tell they end on a positive note for the main character or Paganism in general.

Now one I know of is Assassin's Creed Valhalla is better than both in many aspects in depicting the Nordics and Pagan themes - in the background you have literal space travelling Alien Gods who appear in the Myths as their respective allegories, and you raid xtian monasteries to make a better Britain - the only problem is that the gameplay is extremely boring, I'd skip most of it if I could to get just the main story bits: https://youtu.be/0HPNCA_XoBg

The show Vikings actually did a very great job at showing what Viking society was like. I can't remember seeing anything that was wrong or incorrect in any of it. Some historical events or historical characters did some things that didn't really happen that way, but the general way people lived was accurate.

 

[Stormblood]

The problem here is that you and everyone else have been afflicted with the xtain slave morality mindset.

What HP said is completely true. You are supposed to genocide your enemies and rape their women and pillage everything they have. Otherwise what is the point of war for the average soldier if you don’t get any spoils?

But modern “morality” has told everyone that this is bad and that war must have rules and a Geneva convention. That’s absurd. It’s war for a reason. Everything is allowed.

HP Zevios Metathronos never said that. Those are your words and your words alone.

 

[serpentwalker666]

The problem here is that you and everyone else have been afflicted with the xtain slave morality mindset.

What HP said is completely true. You are supposed to genocide your enemies and rape their women and pillage everything they have. Otherwise what is the point of war for the average soldier if you don’t get any spoils?

But modern “morality” has told everyone that this is bad and that war must have rules and a Geneva convention. That’s absurd. It’s war for a reason. Everything is allowed.

HP Zevios Metathronos never said that. Those are your words and your words alone.

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with you Stormblood. He took it to a level it didn't need to go. That's not what we were all saying, discussing.

"What HP said is completely true. You are supposed to genocide your enemies and rape their women and pillage everything they have. Otherwise what is the point of war for the average soldier if you don’t get any spoils?"

No Outlaw Torn. Bad. *beats with newspaper*

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

HP Zevios Metathronos never said that. Those are your words and your words alone.

Sorry you interpreted it that way. I meant that HP basically said that WAR IS WAR and whatever happens happens especially in those days.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There were 2 instances of human sacrifice and 2 or 3 random rapes

I remember one guy that raped a woman then tried to rape another one, and the people did kill him for it. So he got what he deserved.

I don't know if human sacrifice ever happened in real life, probably not or at least was very rare. But when an important person in the show died and one of her servants volunteered to die and be buried with her so she can continue serving her as ghosts, this is something that actually happened in some pagan cultures. It was very rare and was only done for people considered to be extremely important, but it did happen some times.

 

[Aquarius]

VoE, Brother, your work is very appreciated.