Why did it take so long for the Clergy to realise Satan and Baal are the same being?

[Daemontech [NG]]

If we see dangerous reduction of Gothic girls and Dark Witches, I will personally mandate something to rectify the process.

Thank you High Priest, I'm relieved to know that Clergy has its priorities straight.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

How can I truly trust anything you say if you may perhaps believe something else entirely as part of the “inner secret doctrine” or it may be revealed later by the Gods that this information was false, sort of like HPS Pythia figuring out enemy Nordics weren’t a thing.

It’s kind of frustrating for me trying to figure out what we truly believe in if I have to second guess everything we think to be true.

This is exactly why all members need to advance themselves.

The Gods will tell you things about themselves, directly. Do you understand this? The reason they tell us things, is because we are opened enough to hear and understand them. The general public is at too low of an understanding, so they tell us things for ourselves, until it can be made public (if it ever becomes public knowledge, that is. Certain things never will be.) If you advance yourself more, then you will be on the inside too, and they will tell you more.

If you don't advance yourself, you are left out, and told things with the general public. That's on you, not us, not the Gods. And you will never know certain things.

If you do advance yourself, then you are in the inner circle with the Gods. They reward us with knowledge.

If you want to know more, then advance yourself and connect to the Gods. It's that simple.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

You act like you experienced the largest shock of your life to see that Satan and Bael are not really that "separate". Imagine the shock that the President and the Vice President are almost the same thing or that they do something in each other's time. Or that sometimes they have changed spots in this or the other culture, or that they could literally be entirely the same. LARGE SHOCK MY WHOLE UNIVERSE COLLAPSED.

No, Apollo and Demeter are as they are. They are brother and sister.

All of this recurring bullshit from people is just poison past a point.

Essentially all I face for having transcended prior my predecessors and actually giving an interest in doing what I should be doing, is just scorn, doubt, financial damages (for decades on myself) and whatever else under the sun and moon including to be part of watchlists and living life like a fugitive or aimed to be exterminated.

And the things always are "daddy satin came here wit spaceship, he is veri old. i like dis. brother bilzibul play with superman dolly with brother satin. go around in garden, have fun.. then war happen in heaven."

The above is DOGSHIT and is not legitimate spirituality or and powerful or actual level. It is Americanino dogshit and not high spirituality in anyway, shape or form.

I should be informed by this community on if they want higher knowledge, or if you want dolls for fucking grown ups.

There are a thousand other places where I could be a wonderful liar THAN ON THESE TOPICS THAT DO NOT IN PARTICULAR HAVE A LOT IN IT FOR ME.

Humanity tires the fuck out of me sometimes.

I'm not shocked by the change. I explicitly said I was fine with it in my OP. Satan being Zeus actually cleared up a lot of things for me and made a lot of sense, considering what is said in both our texts and the enemy's about Him.

What I wasn't happy with was the prospect that our views could change within a dime, and the "new" information was something the inside knew about for a long time. I wondered if the slow release and temporary secrecy was the right approach and eventually ended up agreeing with the approach in my last post. Voice's reply also explained to me further why this was done, which I agree with.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

This is exactly why all members need to advance themselves.

The Gods will tell you things about themselves, directly. Do you understand this? The reason they tell us things, is because we are opened enough to hear and understand them. The general public is at too low of an understanding, so they tell us things for ourselves, until it can be made public (if it ever becomes public knowledge, that is. Certain things never will be.) If you advance yourself more, then you will be on the inside too, and they will tell you more.

If you don't advance yourself, you are left out, and told things with the general public. That's on you, not us, not the Gods. And you will never know certain things.

If you do advance yourself, then you are in the inner circle with the Gods. They reward us with knowledge.

If you want to know more, then advance yourself and connect to the Gods. It's that simple.

Since the Gods decree it that way, I'll accept it.

 

[Daemontech [NG]]

If this were possible, it would be done already, however, due to limitations in the human perception, this is impossible. You can see this here.
How confused are you over this very small thing that is actually perfectly sensible? Imagine now if all the knowledge would be attempted to be given straight. You wouldn't be able to understand anything at all.

For me specifically, the knowledge itself (Zeus = Satan) is not really confusing, it's understanding why couldn't have we known earlier that confuses me, because the knowledge itself (at least to me) doesn't sound so confusing so I don't see why doing it step-by-step, but I know that there are things which I ignore that must have lead to these decisions and I have absolute trust in the Clergy that they are doing the correct thing, especially seeing the results and progress of the last year which are nothing short of spectacular.

But anyway your answer cleared up many things, so thank you Temple Guardian.

Humanity tires the fuck out of me sometimes.

I understand your frustration HP, you've faced extenuating attrition especially as of lately, and I have complete faith in you, although I understand why Seeker said what he said.
I don't think he chose the right words for it though, I feel he didn't want to cause harm or accuse you but since the poor choice of words it sounded like so, but it's just my impression.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

What I wasn't happy with was the prospect that our views could change within a dime, and the "new" information was something the inside knew about for a long time.

What is the matter with this? Some degree of shocking revelation is natural in the spiritual field, whether changes to your own soul, or insights about the world.

The change in information about Zeus is an elaboration and expansion of previous knowledge, not some sort of loss or ugly change.

 

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

What is the matter with this? Some degree of shocking revelation is natural in the spiritual field, whether changes to your own soul, or insights about the world.

The change in information about Zeus is an elaboration and expansion of previous knowledge, not some sort of loss or ugly change.

People do not understand that nothing has changed. Just because the teenager learns the concepts of galaxies and general astrophysics, it does not mean that what they were told years ago about rotational motions have become wrong and to be corrected. It only means that if you go to a kindergartner and explain to him concepts of light and speed of light, he doesn't know what you are saying since to him light is just his chandelier that he turns on when he gets up and turns off when he goes to sleep.

@Seeker in the Dark

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

My original question btw which was totally ignored was why was this hidden for a long time and why was it revealed now?

I guess this was addressed by HPZM's original reply to me in this post, but his answer pertained to the secrecy policy of TOZ overall rather than the specific topic itself, so what I said above isn't true looking back. I trust the TOZ to reveal what they wish at their judgment. Perhaps the shock from some people (which I'm not part of) came from the fact that the change in our perception of the Head God came also with a name change and everything being renamed. It all happened suddenly, and it likely startled a lot of people who've been used to the JOS name for over 2 decades. The core doctrine didn't change, nothing really changed, only further clarity about our God was made.

What I wanted to know originally, though it wasn't really addressed, was the reason for keeping this specific information (Zeus=Satan) secret for over a decade. I assumed that with the secret revealed, the reason behind the secret's prior concealment would have been revealed as well. Was it simply that the community wasn't ready for it? Perhaps this was addressed somewhere else, and I didn't read it.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Actually, reading back, I did display some anger regarding the change, but not towards the specific information itself, which I believe makes a lot of sense. I guess my gripe was that our stances could suddenly change, and perhaps I viewed that anything could change 180 degrees at any moment, which was the wrong way to perceive it as changes in our beliefs only seem to be further clarification rather than complete switch arounds. I also was unhappy with that fact this was kept from the public for 10 years, but again, I trust the TOZ's judgement on what to reveal and when.

TG Blitz's answer did address this, not misunderstand it. I apologise for turning what was a simple misunderstanding on my part into an ignorant tantrum.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Actually, reading back, I did display some anger regarding the change, but not towards the specific information itself, which I believe makes a lot of sense. I guess my gripe was that our stances could suddenly change, and perhaps I viewed that anything could change 180 degrees at any moment, which was the wrong way to perceive it as changes in our beliefs only seem to be further clarification rather than complete switch arounds. I also was unhappy with that fact this was kept from the public for 10 years, but again, I trust the TOZ's judgement on what to reveal and when.

TG Blitz's answer did address this, not misunderstand it. I apologise for turning what was a simple misunderstanding on my part into an ignorant tantrum.

It is ok. Expressing your honest concerns is not a bad thing.

I think you have the right idea here, which to understand that there is more nuance to this than may appear. It is normal for some conclusions to be wrong or change in the light of new information. What is important is that overall progress is being made and any damage is mitigated. The actual change that most of these revelations has had on our immediate life situation is low.

Further, in the time between the change in these ideas, we have all grown in ways that make our overall perceptions and beliefs of reality more accurate and stronger than before. For example, we are less under the influence of curses, members are growing in spiritual and material strength and awareness of their tools, we have better access to the Gods, and a larger database of knowledge + structure. All of this puts us closer to the truth, however it may appear.