White Turk here, am I Aryan?

[AliPasha]

Hello everyone.

I have been into genetics for a couple years now. I found out a lot of things regarding my ancestry and have also visited the villages we originate from.

My maternal great grandpa is from a Greek village in Anatolia, his wife is a normal Turk, though untraceable ancestry.

My paternal side is completely untraceable. Only though dna testing have I figured out that side of my family. Haplogroup is I-Z17855, a Slavic one originating in Ukraine. So most likely Muslim Balkan Slavs who moved to Turkey after the Balkan wars.

I am wondering if i am able to call myself Aryan. Currently I do consider myself at least of Partial Aryan descent, I do also descent from Central Asian Mongoloids, who obviously aren't Aryans, but since I personally look like a Balkan guy and have European features (Pale Skin, Dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, people have said i look stereotypical Balkan) I think I have a right to do so.

But I am wondering what you guys say?

 

[AliPasha]

Balkaners don't look Arabic though?

Most of them are white. I used to live in Bulgaria and ethnic Bulgarians were white and the brown ones were Gypsies (Roma), who identify as native Bulgarians or Turks when they migrate elsewhere.

 

[666t666]

Hello everyone.

I have been into genetics for a couple years now. I found out a lot of things regarding my ancestry and have also visited the villages we originate from.

My maternal great grandpa is from a Greek village in Anatolia, his wife is a normal Turk, though untraceable ancestry.

My paternal side is completely untraceable. Only though dna testing have I figured out that side of my family. Haplogroup is I-Z17855, a Slavic one originating in Ukraine. So most likely Muslim Balkan Slavs who moved to Turkey after the Balkan wars.

I am wondering if i am able to call myself Aryan. Currently I do consider myself at least of Partial Aryan descent, I do also descent from Central Asian Mongoloids, who obviously aren't Aryans, but since I personally look like a Balkan guy and have European features (Pale Skin, Dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, people have said i look stereotypical Balkan) I think I have a right to do so.

But I am wondering what you guys say?

As a person of Turkish descent, you belong to the Mediterranean white race, similar to the Greeks. Though the Turks did originate from Central Asia, only a small number migrated to take control of the region. Later, they intermixed with the local people – the Mediterranean whites residing in Anatolia. This new generation identified themselves as "Turks" based solely on their dominance in the area without any significant ethnic ties to Central Asia.

The Turks residing in the eastern regions have intermingled with the Kurds and Arabs of the area, resulting in a diverse range of Turkish individuals. Turks with blonde hair and blue eyes are more common in the western part of Anatolia, whereas those who resemble Arabs can be found in the southeast of Turkey.

Consequently, Turkish people share similar ethnicities with Greeks and should be regarded likewise. The modern-day Turkish population only bears the name of the ancient Turks who once ruled the region thousands of years ago. Genetically, while there may be some mixed ancestry, the Turkish population residing in Anatolia is predominantly of Mediterranean white descent.

 

[AliPasha]

Hello everyone.

I have been into genetics for a couple years now. I found out a lot of things regarding my ancestry and have also visited the villages we originate from.

My maternal great grandpa is from a Greek village in Anatolia, his wife is a normal Turk, though untraceable ancestry.

My paternal side is completely untraceable. Only though dna testing have I figured out that side of my family. Haplogroup is I-Z17855, a Slavic one originating in Ukraine. So most likely Muslim Balkan Slavs who moved to Turkey after the Balkan wars.

I am wondering if i am able to call myself Aryan. Currently I do consider myself at least of Partial Aryan descent, I do also descent from Central Asian Mongoloids, who obviously aren't Aryans, but since I personally look like a Balkan guy and have European features (Pale Skin, Dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, people have said i look stereotypical Balkan) I think I have a right to do so.

But I am wondering what you guys say?

As a person of Turkish descent, you belong to the Mediterranean white race, similar to the Greeks. Though the Turks did originate from Central Asia, only a small number migrated to take control of the region. Later, they intermixed with the local people – the Mediterranean whites residing in Anatolia. This new generation identified themselves as "Turks" based solely on their dominance in the area without any significant ethnic ties to Central Asia.

The Turks residing in the eastern regions have intermingled with the Kurds and Arabs of the area, resulting in a diverse range of Turkish individuals. Turks with blonde hair and blue eyes are more common in the western part of Anatolia, whereas those who resemble Arabs can be found in the southeast of Turkey.

Consequently, Turkish people share similar ethnicities with Greeks and should be regarded likewise. The modern-day Turkish population only bears the name of the ancient Turks who once ruled the region thousands of years ago. Genetically, while there may be some mixed ancestry, the Turkish population residing in Anatolia is predominantly of Mediterranean white descent.

Hitler also recognized Turks as a European Volk as far as I know, but he did so begrudgingly and because there was an incident of racism against a half Turkish half German kid in Germany called Johannes Ruppert. Father was a Turk and mom was a German which led him to be kicked out of the Hitler youth.

Turks later pressured the German government to make a stance on the Aryanism of Turkish people and they declared them European.

Interesting story, though I consider Turks to be mixed as they also descent from Turkics. Germany also most likely did it to not lose Turkey as a trading partner and potential war ally.

 

[ΆΡΗΣ ΠΟΛΥΜΑΧΟΣ]

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As for the Balkan "looks" as I said I'm not talking about any diversity in the area I do know even Arabs are very diverse, he said specifically stereotypical - while being Turkish - and I've seen plenty of examples of Greeks and Turks and some others around who look like the two example I gave who are both Arabs but one looks more White than the other just in case, since he said he's also very pale skinned, while both being a result from the same admixture (because obviously Greece and Turkey were also colonized by islamists while Turkey had more White-Mongol mixture).

Stereotypical Mediterranean "Arabic" Greeks did more for the European/Western Civilization
than the rest of the western-European stereotypical "Super-Blondies" combined.

Not to forget the achievements of our cousins from the Mediterranean Roman-Empire.

The Ottoman-Empire was Mediterranean as well, with a touch of Turkic and Islam,
it conquered all of the Arabs and almost all of western Europe.
Now Turkey is considered one of the strongest military force in NATO and the World.

 

[ΆΡΗΣ ΠΟΛΥΜΑΧΟΣ]

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Nope, they were not Germanic or "Indo-Germanic" or else they would have said that.
Out of someones own mouth, words and texts they will tell you who they are.

There is not one text where the ancient Greeks themselves or ancient Romans themselves
or other civilizations in Europe claimed to be Germanic or something else.
As far as i know only Germans themselves claim that.
If someone is Germanic or something else, it comes out of his mouth often, which didn't happen.

It's okay, not everything perceived as stronger or superior culturally in Europe has to be Germanic, that's a good thing.
And comparing handpicked pictures with ancient Statues won't change that.

And being mixed has nothing to do with the rise of Christianity or Islam,
because we have many members here in the Forums who are mixed race/sub-race who were former Christians/Muslims.
Also what about the majority of Germans and other western Europeans who were and are still Christians
by their own convictions? Where is their "superior and pure" Germanic DNA and Soul?

By they way, if someone "white" Turkish or Greek were to go to his Father and say
"Father you are Germanic!" or "Father you are Arabic!" - he would get slapped.
Also if someone else would say that to him, he would get slapped.

And don't get me wrong, i have no problem with any Gentile people.

 

[Elite]

Here is an accurate example of some famous ancient Greeks and how they looked:
(i can confirm it's accurate because i see them everyday with my own eyes)

Ancient Greeks - Real Faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHXmz2Gco4
Ancient Greeks - Real Faces - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq5JvWUMJE4

And as a contrast/example, here is a modern Greek family from Crete:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD92f0S0xRI

I do not think these videos are representing the truth that much. People think just because they lived in that country, that everyone has to look same. But in reality, you go to a place, and you see a lot of phenotypes, including your exceptions, but other types as well.

To me, it is obvious Plato was a mix of Alpinid and Pontid, while Aristotle is still being Alpinid, a more Nordic type like you can find in Switzerland or France. I saw people almost exactly looking like them. And I saw people almost looking exactly like Caesar (Mediterranid). Zeno is an Atlanto-Mediterranid (maybe with some Dinarid features) as far as I can classify.

As far as Alexander the Great, it is obvious he is a Hallstatt Nordid (I saw a Turk who is a Hallstatt Nordid, there are Nordics even in here), and Alcibiades as well. Pythagoras is a pure Meditarranid, maybe. I am not that professional in this but I can say this much. Even Polemon wrote about these Nordic and Mediterranid looking people, and High Priest Hoodedcobra666 as well.

And lastly, Ptolemy, maybe a direct Pontid or a mix of Pontid and Nordid. It differs from a bust to another.

I think due to Greece being an ancient civilization, it is inevitable to have both Nordic and Mediterranid looking people. Even some Pharaohs were blonde, and there are Chinese records a few emperors have red or blonde hair. I do not think it is a bad thing, and vice versa. Except obvious Alpinid of Plato, I got a hard time to classify these people. Both are aesthetic-looking and Greek, anyways.