Mariana Mariana
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After reading a report on the BBC News Website I though it may be of interest to the group. It is concerning the "Turin Shroud", again questioning its authenticity.
Summer is Dying fast for the Myth of Christ.
The following is taken from the link below:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8291948.stm
"Scientist reproduces Turin shroud"
"The Shroud is said to show Christ's face at his crucifixion
The Shroud of Turin has been reproduced by an Italian scientist in another attempt to prove that the cloth bearing an image of Christ's face is a fake.
A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia said he had used materials and techniques that were available in the Middle Ages.
These included applying pigment to cloth and then heating it in an oven.
Tests 20 years ago dated the fabric to between 1260 and 1390, but believers say it is an authentic image of Christ.
The linen cloth, measuring about 4.4m by 1.1m (14.4ft by 3.6ft), holds the concealed image of a man bearing all the signs of crucifixion, including blood stains.
Tests in 1988 have been repeatedly challenged, and scientists remain unsure how the image came to be on the cloth.
Scientist Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to present his findings to a conference on the paranormal at the weekend, said many people believed that the shroud "has unexplainable characteristics that cannot be reproduced by human means".
But, he added: "The result obtained clearly indicates that this could be done with the use of inexpensive materials and with a quite simple procedure."
If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me.
Luigi Garlaschelli
Mr Garlaschelli, funded by a group of Italian atheists and agnostics, reproduced the shroud by placing a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbing it with a pigment containing traces of acid. A mask was used for the face.
The pigment was then artificially aged by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it.
This removed the pigment from the surface but left a half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud.
Blood stains, burn holes, scorches and water stains were then added to achieve the final effect.
Mr Garlaschelli said he expected people to challenge his research.
"If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me."
The Shroud is kept in Turin Cathedral and is rarely displayed in public."
There are many theories regarding the Turin Shroud, but perhaps one of the more believable is headed as a Legend on Wikipedia on the page relating to the Knight Templar Jacques De Molay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_Molay
"The Shroud of Turin
Two Masonic historians, Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, have written a controversial book called The Second Messiah: Templars, the Turin Shroud, and the Great Secret of Freemasonry, which claims that the Turin Shroud is actually an image of Jacques de Molay, not of Jesus Christ as is common belief. They claim that when King Philip IV of France and Pope Clement V seized and dissolved the Order of the Knights Templar, one of the French king's inquisitors, Guillame de Nogaret, tortured and crucified de Molay in a parody of the crucifixion of Jesus. He then put a cloth on de Molay, and de Molay's image was imprinted on the cloth. The authors claim that one of the reasons the Knights Templar were suppressed was because they knew a secret true history of Jesus which had been distorted by the Roman Catholic Church. According to Knight and Lomas, Jesus considered himself not God, but a Jewish revolutionary working to establish God's kingdom on Earth, and that the Templars' initiation ceremony involved a denial of Jesus as God.
Apart from Knight and Lomas' suggested scenario, there is a connection in the provenance of the Shroud of Turin and the Templars. Geoffroi de Charny's widow Jeanne de Vergy is the first reliably recorded owner of the Turin shroud; his uncle, Geoffrey de Charney, was Preceptor of Normandy for the Knights Templar. This uncle is the same Geoffrey de Charney who was initially sentenced to lifetime imprisonment with de Molay, and was burned with de Molay in 1314 after both proclaimed their innocence, recanting torture-induced confessions."
Whichever Theory above is closest to, or perhaps the Truth itself, either of the above can be used as an excellent argument to the existence of christ. A nice little piece of knowledge with which to bring many xian voice to fumbling silence. If engaged in debate with a xian regarding the authenticity of christs existence, be sure to mention the shrouded lie. When you take their supposed most Religious Artifact and "Prove" by Carbon Dating to Historical Fact that it itself is Fake, a shaken Faith will follow for Doubt will play its part.
Hail Satan!!
Summer is Dying fast for the Myth of Christ.
The following is taken from the link below:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8291948.stm
"Scientist reproduces Turin shroud"
"The Shroud is said to show Christ's face at his crucifixion
The Shroud of Turin has been reproduced by an Italian scientist in another attempt to prove that the cloth bearing an image of Christ's face is a fake.
A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia said he had used materials and techniques that were available in the Middle Ages.
These included applying pigment to cloth and then heating it in an oven.
Tests 20 years ago dated the fabric to between 1260 and 1390, but believers say it is an authentic image of Christ.
The linen cloth, measuring about 4.4m by 1.1m (14.4ft by 3.6ft), holds the concealed image of a man bearing all the signs of crucifixion, including blood stains.
Tests in 1988 have been repeatedly challenged, and scientists remain unsure how the image came to be on the cloth.
Scientist Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to present his findings to a conference on the paranormal at the weekend, said many people believed that the shroud "has unexplainable characteristics that cannot be reproduced by human means".
But, he added: "The result obtained clearly indicates that this could be done with the use of inexpensive materials and with a quite simple procedure."
If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me.
Luigi Garlaschelli
Mr Garlaschelli, funded by a group of Italian atheists and agnostics, reproduced the shroud by placing a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbing it with a pigment containing traces of acid. A mask was used for the face.
The pigment was then artificially aged by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it.
This removed the pigment from the surface but left a half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud.
Blood stains, burn holes, scorches and water stains were then added to achieve the final effect.
Mr Garlaschelli said he expected people to challenge his research.
"If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me."
The Shroud is kept in Turin Cathedral and is rarely displayed in public."
There are many theories regarding the Turin Shroud, but perhaps one of the more believable is headed as a Legend on Wikipedia on the page relating to the Knight Templar Jacques De Molay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_Molay
"The Shroud of Turin
Two Masonic historians, Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, have written a controversial book called The Second Messiah: Templars, the Turin Shroud, and the Great Secret of Freemasonry, which claims that the Turin Shroud is actually an image of Jacques de Molay, not of Jesus Christ as is common belief. They claim that when King Philip IV of France and Pope Clement V seized and dissolved the Order of the Knights Templar, one of the French king's inquisitors, Guillame de Nogaret, tortured and crucified de Molay in a parody of the crucifixion of Jesus. He then put a cloth on de Molay, and de Molay's image was imprinted on the cloth. The authors claim that one of the reasons the Knights Templar were suppressed was because they knew a secret true history of Jesus which had been distorted by the Roman Catholic Church. According to Knight and Lomas, Jesus considered himself not God, but a Jewish revolutionary working to establish God's kingdom on Earth, and that the Templars' initiation ceremony involved a denial of Jesus as God.
Apart from Knight and Lomas' suggested scenario, there is a connection in the provenance of the Shroud of Turin and the Templars. Geoffroi de Charny's widow Jeanne de Vergy is the first reliably recorded owner of the Turin shroud; his uncle, Geoffrey de Charney, was Preceptor of Normandy for the Knights Templar. This uncle is the same Geoffrey de Charney who was initially sentenced to lifetime imprisonment with de Molay, and was burned with de Molay in 1314 after both proclaimed their innocence, recanting torture-induced confessions."
Whichever Theory above is closest to, or perhaps the Truth itself, either of the above can be used as an excellent argument to the existence of christ. A nice little piece of knowledge with which to bring many xian voice to fumbling silence. If engaged in debate with a xian regarding the authenticity of christs existence, be sure to mention the shrouded lie. When you take their supposed most Religious Artifact and "Prove" by Carbon Dating to Historical Fact that it itself is Fake, a shaken Faith will follow for Doubt will play its part.
Hail Satan!!
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