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<ol>index.jpg</ol>The tongue in Chinese Medicine is the single best indicator of your overall health at any given time. Even modern medicine is beginning to recognise the link between tongue appearance and body health state.

The best time to look at the tongue is after you wake up and have been awake for about 15 minutes but have not consumed any food or drink. Of course, you can look at it anytime but you have to consider things you have just eaten or drunk and looking at it in a natural light is best.

The tongue is divided into sections which reflect the various organs in the body, however its important to note that these organ associations are more energetic than anatomic and more related to function than location, so when I say Liver, really this means the liver, and the cumulative effects of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, not just the Liver and the same goes for the other organs. Spleen for instance is in reference to the pancreas and does not actually include any of the known functions of the spleen however since these two organs share a blood supply, disharmony in the pancreas can be physically felt in the spleen area, symptoms like bloating and tenderness...

The sides of the tongue are of the liver and gallbladder, the centre the stomach and spleen. The tip relates to the lungs and heart and the kidneys and bladder are reflected at the tongue's root (see attached diagram).

A healthy tongue will be pink in colour with a THIN white coat.

Cracks in the tongue surface indicate disharmony in the organ which is represented by the area through which the cracks travel. This disharmony could be either heat, cold, dampness or dryness depending on the coating and colour of the tongue body.

The width of the tongue must be taken into account. A wide tongue is indicative of heat, fullness or excess. A thin tongue is indicative of dryness, deficiency and consumption but not necessarily cold (cold is usually considered excess unless it is due to Yang deficiency).

The colour of the tongue body represents the thermal nature of the disharmony and can show stasis or deficiency. A pink tongue is one where blood is sufficient to supply the tongue and is moving freely throughout the body. A purple tongue is indicative of stasis of blood which could be produced by extreme heat or trauma or phlegm. A red tongue indicates heat and this may be heat due to excess of deficiency. Tongues which have odd colours such as green or black must be compared with the five element colours of TCM where each organ pair is ascribed an element. For instance the Liver belongs to the element of wood whose colour is green, therefore a green tinge on the tongue might indicate a liver disharmony. This kind of colouring is rare however but black will show up and this can either indicate a water disharmony (kidneys) or extreme heat or cold.

A pale tongue always indicates deficiency, of either blood or qi (vital energy). You must look to the tongue coating to differentiate this. The sides or only the tip may be pale which is indicative of the specific organ being deficient in one of these areas.

The tongue coating is another major factor. A thin white coat is indicative of healthy stomach yin, and stomach yin is considered to be the most effective gauge of the yin of the whole body since the stomach is called the source of the body's fluids (Yin is about fluids, coolness, female energy like the moon whereas Yang is energetic hot and dry like the sun). A thick coating which is white indicates cold or dampness (dampness will appear greasy but cold is drier). A thick yellow coat indicates heat (or again dampness but this will be greasier than the heat on its own). No coat on the tongue or a coat which is rootless (doesn't seem attached to the tongue) or peeling indicates Yin deficiency. A dry coating indicates yin or blood deficiency and a wet coating with a pale tongue indicates qi or yang deficiency (Yang deficiency is more extreme than qi deficiency but has evidence of cold or greater water retention than qi deficiency).

The tongue shape is the final check, does the tongue have teeth marks on the outer edges (dampness)? Is the tongue flexible (good heart spirit, poor heart spirit will display a stiff or rigid tongue)? Can the tongue extend out of the mouth easily (Yang deficiency will have a short tongue, ie unable to be extended out of the mouth)? Is the tongue quivering or shaking (spleen qi deficiency) and is it deviated to one side (sign of wind stroke, potentially fatal episode about to occur, keep an eye out for this one especially if the patient is complaining of strong headaches and has a thick greasy coat on the tongue! Send to an ER..)?
EXAMPLES:
A thin red tongue with no coat which extends out normally... Yin deficiency with heat.
Same tongue but with a thick yellow coating... Yang excessiveness (commonly called Full Heat or FIRE)
Add to either of these a crack in the middle of the tongue and it becomes Stomach yin deficiency or stomach FIRE...
A pale thin tongue which is dry but has a thin white coat... Blood deficiency, Yin ok.
Same tongue but with no coat... Blood and Yin deficiency.
Same tongue but deviated to one side... Blood and Yin deficiency stirring up wind...

I hope that's enough to wet your appetite for tongue diagnosis... obviously there's lots of terms here which might be new or confusing... If your curious, good, let the questions begin! If it's too much information and seems like a mountain too big to even climb then perhaps you might refer to this post another time and see it differently. Perhaps you could look at your own tongue and ask questions to better understand it...

Do bear in mind however that I've started at the end in the hope it might inspire some of you to go to the beginning. Tongue diagnosis is the LAST thing TCM students learn at the end of their first year after learning the functions and classifications of the organs (Yin organs (zang), Yang organs (fu) and extraordinary fu (neither zang nor fu)) and the classification of disease marked against the theories of Yin, Yang, Cold, Heat, Deficiency, Excessiveness, Internal and External and all of the climactic and internal factors (cold, fire, wind, dampness and dryness) and against the principle building blocks (Vital Substances) of the body (Yin, Yang, Blood, Qi and Body Fluids).

 
So did you take a lot of classes for this? Can it be a college major? Just wondering :)
Hail Satan
Hail Eligos
 
Ok so I diagnosed my tongue this morning :) There were cracks in the spleen, stomach, and bladder areas. I feel pretty much normal though.. Still what should I do to get rid of the cracks/get rid of the imbalances? Or is it not enough information? Sorry so many questions, I just don't know a whole lot about it and it's really interesting :) By the way, thanks for sharing information in TCM/facts like how milk thistle can be good for the liver but not if one is too cold/damp. Your examples are way better than a lot of books :)
Hail Satan
Hail Eligos
 
What's the coating like? Colour of the tongue? The cracks only show the location of the disharmony, you'll definitely need to describe the width of the tongue, shape, coating and colour of the tongue body and coating to get any closer to what's really going on..
 
Thin, extends a lot/flexible, coating is thin and white, pinkish but almost white/pale (except around the bottom edges and tip are pink)
 
Kind of in between. Wet, but not dripping wet I think. It looks dry but when I touched it it felt a bit wet
 
OK. Do you experience bloating (digestive discomfort), loose stools, fatigue (mild) that worsens with exertion, shortness of breath, dry lips or any combination of these symptoms?
 
Sometimes I have bloating, loose stool (sorry, gross to talk about), if this counts as fatigue I've been really sore from running a lot lately (and standing 7-8 hours at work), and my lips sometimes get dry but I put lip balm on. Also I've gotten kind of over the fatigue/more used to running. I've had a hard time breathing when meditating at times
 
OK, do you get cold easily? Even when the weather is not cold? And do you experience any of the following: irritability, alternating loose stools and constipation, epigastric (top of the stomach) pain, reflux, headaches or pain around the sides of the abdomen or up under the ribs at the bottom?
 
Sometimes I get cold easily, have epigastric pain (feels like acid eating away at the lining of my stomach, though it's a lot more mild since I've kept spinning my chakras/improved meditation wise. Used to have to take medication for it. Also right at the edge of my ribs). I've had headaches but usually it's just when I wake up sometimes. Lately I've had loose stool and I used to almost always be constipated (sorry, grossness). Maybe because I started taking magnesium? Anyway, thank you for your time. I didn't realize such an accurate diagnosis could be made by a tongue :)
 
@Fibrilink, I responded to your question about magnesium. messages in the groups have been coming in slow...
Magnesium helps with constipation as well. 
 
OK.. a few more questions, do the sides and front of your tongue have any teeth marks? Also, how well/poorly do you sleep? Do you ever sweat when sleeping? And how frequently do you urinate and what colour is it (yes more gross questions but it's necessary information)?
 
No teeth marks, I sleep well but I sweat a lot. I drink a lot of water so pretty frequently when at home. Pale yellow when frequently, very dark at work.
 
Hmm ok. Do you work overnight? What age group are you in ( just a range of about ten years is fine, or private email me that one. It's important to know especially if you are young but my guess is over 30)?
 
Over 30??? I'm 18.. XD Am I in really bad condition or something? Everyone at work thinks I'm older and a 40 year old stock boy hit on me once until I told him I was 18 and then he kind of ran the other way. I don't work third shift or anything but my schedule alternates like all the time and sometimes I'll work 3:15-10:30 pm and then be up at 6 again so I'll have time to meditate and get ready for work from 8-4pm. It's not always bad but this happens at least once or twice a week.
 
Night sweating can be an indicator of age... the older you are, the less important it is as a symptom within reason of course.

Have you ever had major involvement with drugs or alcohol? Any major western diseases? Diabetes or something similar?
 
I used to drink a lot of coffee but that's about it as far as drugs. I don't know if this makes a difference but I used to cut a lot and then I'd feel like I was going to pass out and I think this aged me. I've gotten way past that, though, and meditation has helped my health quite a bit. A while after I had started cutting I had "low iron" and my stomach/other organs hurt because my circulation was poor and they couldn't heal. And I didn't exercise. Exercise has also helped a lot and I feel a lot happier
 
Yes that is a significant factor as blood loss can cause low iron and Chinese Medicine views this as a 'Blood Deficiency'. From what you have described on your tongue I would say the blood deficiency is mild. The main issues at the moment are Liver Qi constraint (stagnation) and Spleen Yang Deficiency. Spleen Yang Deficiency can cause blood deficiency over time and the Liver Qi constraint is what is driving your stomach acid back up the esophagus to cause reflux.

Just a few notes on your lifestyle and about the above diagnosis. When I say Liver this or Spleen that, I am referring to the Chinese concept of the FUNCTION of those organs, not necessarily the organ itself. If you were to have a liver test for instance, it would probably come back within a healthy range, but of course there is an imbalance otherwise you would not have symptoms. I do have one further question although I'm not sure its appropriate to post here in the public group as it is related to your menses, but the information about the regularity of your cycle, the strength of flow, the colour of flow and for how many days your menses lasts would solidify the diagnosis. If you want help with herbs etc. then its important I have that diagnostic information but if your uncomfortable giving it to me then that is fine. You can send me an email with that if you don't want to broadcast the details of your period all over the internet.

From my experience there is probably one of three things occurring, or a combination of them. The first is that you have a minimal period, with minimal flow and lasting for very little time. The second is that the period is normal but accompanied by pain, especially just before the period starts and easing as the period progresses. The third is that you are on contraceptives and either don't have a period or any issues you might have with it are masked by the contraceptive, except the pain of course.

 
 
I forgot my notes about lifestyle... you said you do some running. Just be aware that low intensity jogging over longer periods of time (as opposed to shorter sprint running over far lesser periods) raises resting blood cortisol levels. Cortisol is a stress hormone, and one of its functions is to switch off the digestive organs in order to conserve energy for the fight flight response.

This translates to lessened digestive energy which means less is absorbed from your food and your overall nutrition levels and nourishment will tend to drop. Jogging also worsens blood deficiency (which you seem to have mildly). Eating late at night is another big one, and going to bed after midnight. This uses up the Yin and when the Yin is deficient, the Yang escapes taking the sweat with it, hence the night sweating. Sweat is also interchangeable with blood, so as you sweat, the blood deficiency worsens.

Also, being stressed while you eat, eating standing up, reading while eating and eating and then immediately going back to work or some other physically demanding task has the same effect as increased blood cortisol, as anything which requires heavy thinking/focus (excluding the relaxed focus of meditation, this is different) or strenuous physical movement activates sympathetic nervous pathways which effectively switch off digestive organs, meaning less energy and less available nutrients in the blood stream.
 
My last period was early July and a few days after I started bleeding again (very minimally, darkish brown red color) and I'm still bleeding. I don't really consider this my period because it isn't heavy and it isn't really that bad compared to my period. Sometimes my periods don't hurt and I have no cramps, other times (like this last one) I can't even get out of bed it hurts so badly. My period has been irregular since I got it in 6th grade although it's become more so as I get older. Usually it's about a month and a half between periods, sometimes it's been 2-3 months and then they're really bad because it's so built up. The longer in between, the heavier the bleeding and the worse the cramps. It does get better after the first 2 days/the pain goes away. Usually it's really heavy, red, liquid consistency for the first 5 days and then it's dark and gooey (sorry, grossness) for the remainder which can be anywhere from 4 more days to a week and a half. I've never been on contraceptives
 
@Fibrilink Thanks for being so open. Of course the menstrual cycle is not a gross thing but also not easy for many to speak of. It is all well. It is a natural process and with you and Central force having this conversation publicly on the groups, it opens others, and myself included, to learn. 
I'll soon right a post about hormones, the female reproductive system and the menstrual cycle. 
Happy Healing, Sister. <3
 
Thanks Fibrilik. As Shannon said, I think its good that we have this conversation out in the open so that the others from the group can learn from it. By the same token I understand that it might be difficult/uncomfortable to put this kind of info on the internet in a public forum so I thought I would give you the opportunity to provide it elsewhere... all good. The detail you have provided is good. It enables me to confirm my diagnosis and proceed to prescribe a treatment.

Its good that you haven't been on contraceptives. These tend to obscure issues and make them worse whilst making the symptoms seem better in the meantime. At least I have an accurate picture of the state of your health now. Thank you. Before I proceed to the part everyone is waiting for (the treatment!) I would like to just take the time to acknowledge that surely your emotional and mental state at the moment and over your teenage years must have been quite turbulent. Stagnation like this is very evident of that. Hopefully this treatment will assist you in dealing with feelings of frustration, anger and depression in a way which only Satan might deliver to us and it is my firm belief that this medicine is of the Gods.

Diagnosis:

Spleen Yang Deficiency failing to hold blood
Liver Qi Stagnation
Liver Blood Deficiency (mild)

The treatment:

Do not take the following herbs if you have any of the following:

- Pregnancy (unless you want to lose your child)
- On medication such as Warfarin (or any other blood thinners), beta blockers (high blood pressure tablets), any nervous system drug (antidepressants, relaxants like Valium etc.), drugs that alter or improve kidney function or any cancer medications without consulting a doctor first.
- Any symptoms of cold or flu. If you start to develop a cold or a flu whilst taking these herbs, cease taking them immediately until the flu has completely passed, otherwise the herbs will prolong the illness and make the symptoms more pronounced.
- If you experience negative side effects after taking them such as dizziness, heart palpitations, extreme headaches etc. Listen to your body.

To address the Spleen Yang Deficiency failing to hold blood I recommend the Chinese Formula Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan (Tang). The English name is Tonify the Middle and Augment the Qi Decoction. It contains the following herbs:

Ginseng - warm and sweet, enters the spleen and stomach and tonifies Qi
Astralagus - warm and sweet, tonifies spleen and stomach qi
Atractylodes - sweet, bitter and warm, resolve dampness, stop sweating and promote urination
Prepared Licorice root - sweet and neutral, enters the spleen and stomach and moderates other herbs
Angelica Root - sweet, pungent and warm, tonify blood and regulate menstruation
Dried Tangerine Peel - Bitter, Pungent and warm, resolves dampness and promotes flow of qi
Bupleurum - Bitter, pungent, slightly cold to soothe liver and relieve depression, raise Yang Qi
Bugbane - Pungent, slightly bitter and slightly cold enters lung, spleen and stomach and ascends Yang Qi.

To address the Liver Qi Stagnation and blood deficiency I recommend Si Ni San (Tang). The English name is Frigid Extremities Decoction. It contains the following herbs:

Bupleurum - Bitter, pungent, slightly cold to soothe liver and relieve depression, raise Yang Qi
Aurantii fructus immaturus - pungent, bitter and slightly cold to resolve phlegm and relieve stagnation
Peony - bitter, sour, slightly sweet, slightly cold to tonify blood, stop sweating, alleviate pain and calm liver
Prepared Licorice - Root - sweet and neutral, enters the spleen and stomach and moderates other herbs



If you google the above Chinese herbal formula names in Bold then you should be able to locate them from a trusted online retailer that you deal with. I know where I get them but unless you are in Australia its probably not much help. Also, concurrently with the herbal treatment (follow the dosage instructions on the container of whatever herbs you buy) you should apply the following points on your body with moderate pressure with your fingers or a hard blunt object (pen or pencil) twice a day for at least a minute on each point until you are healed. You can combine Satanic Healing with this and drive golden energy through your fingers whilst pressing the points for increased effects along with an affirmation which guarantees the success of your healing.

Spleen 1

Acupuncture.Com - Acupuncture Points - Spleen SP 1
Spleen 4

http://www.acupuncture.com/education/po ... en/sp4.htm
Spleen 10

Acupuncture.Com - Acupuncture Points - Spleen SP 10  Stomach 36

Acupuncture.Com - Acupuncture Points - Stomach ST 36  Pericardium 6

http://www.buzzle.com/images/health/acu ... dium-6.jpg

 Liver 3
http://www.chinesefootreflexology.com/w ... Liver3.jpg  
If these illustrations are not sufficient, just google the names I have put up for each point and look at a few different pictures to get the idea. Most of these points will probably be pretty tender (especially Spleen 4 if you can find it, this is a tricky one to find) except maybe Stomach 36 but I'd put money on your Liver 3 being pretty tender when you press on the right point....
 

 
 
Wonderful, Central Force! We have a doctor in the groups! ;)
Thank you dearest brother <3
 
@centralforce
Thank you for all of your help :) I will definitely look that up and see where I can get it. Thank you for the acupuncture video links--I don't know very much about acupuncture but the diagrams seem easy enough that I can follow them :) I can't believe you were so willing to help me this much and spend so much of your time. I don't know how to thank you.
@soutlaw/central
Honestly, I find talking about urine/etc more embarrassing than menstruation. Then again, I'm used to hearing my coworkers yammering on about how "they have cramps" or how they're"just gushing!!" Also, we've talked about circumcision and there was on topic about porn where someone asked if "they should stop beating the meat to porn" and people didn't seem very uncomfortable about that XD I feel like these groups (leaving out infiltrators, of course!) are family and we can talk about anything without feeling ashamed or uncomfortable. Not only that, but good advice is almost always given to the clueless folk like me :p
I'd be lost without you guys!
Thank you again, Centralforce and Shannon for all of your help in this topic and others :)
Hail Satan
Hail Eligos
 
No problem Fibrilink. I have been gifted with this knowledge by Satan and it is only fitting that I use it to help HIS people when I can. The best way that you can thank me is to take the herbs, press the points and heal!

I'd love for you to touch base here again after a few weeks to see how you are going, sometimes when you start the healing, different things can crop up which require small alterations in the herbal formula and point prescription but I'll leave it to your best judgement as to wether or not you need to make contact about it again.

And Shannon, thank you for providing a forum in which Satan's people can receive help that is beneficial to their overall well being, including their soul rather than having drugs forced down their throat which create more problems than they solve (excluding drugs given to save a life of course, if anyone is having a heart attack, struggling to breathe or has blood loss from open wounds or orifices and other health complaints that are out of the ordinary and extreme please go to the ER as intervention through medicine in these situations is life saving!)
 
No problem! As I said before, we all have something to bring to the table.It is my passion to help our people heal and achieve wellness. I literally get a feeling of DEEP happiness when I hear of someone being healed and especially when I can be of help in anyway.
I also too would love to see how Fibrilink is doing in some weeks. 

Hail Satan
Satanic healing and blessings to you all.
 
Hey. I've been trying to determine the status of my tounge but I couldn't figure out what's what since this is all new to me. I think I might have yin deficiency. Could you please look at these two photos and let me know if I am correct or what's the real deal. The color of the photo should be a bit warmer but it's a cellphone flick..

Here are the links because I don't want my tounge to be shown in group photos lol..

http://tinypic.com/r/9fofsx/8
http://tinypic.com/r/n4dphl/8


 
 
The presence of a coating generally means your yin is still intact. However I do note that the coating is missing from the edges and the appearance of it is that it is unrooted, which suggests stomach qi deficiency. Are any of the following part of your symptoms?

Fatigue, poor appetite, epigastric pain (pain just under the solar plexus and just above the stomach), shortness of breath (mild), tired on exertion?

Also, do you find that when you eat you are often rushing back to work, or reading, or stressing about something? Do you become irritable easily?
 
Wow!  I do feel fatigue alot and I get tired quickly.  I don't think I have any pain and I love to eat.  I eat around 4-6 times a day. I used to work physical labor and we didn't have much time to eat so that is also correct.. Even when I was a kid I always read when eating, now I do work on my computer while I eat. The last two points are also correct. I stress about alot of things and i get upset pretty fast.

I can't believe this!! You aced it! amazing :D
 
The picture definitely helps. Easy lifestyle changes can probably rectify your condition.

Try to eat three square meals a day rather than picking at food. This gives your stomach time to recover between meals. Also, make time to eat and avoid doing anything whilst eating except enjoying the food. Put aside all stresses and worries when you eat. Chew your food thoroughly.

Massage the following points daily for a minute each, twice a day:

Liver 3

http://www.chinesefootreflexology.com/w ... Liver3.jpg

Large Intestine 4
http://www.sportsedgeacupuncture.com/wp ... don-VA.jpg

Spleen 6

http://acutakehealth.com/wp-content/upl ... an_SP6.jpg

See how you fare after 4 weeks and check back in and we can go from there.

Just remember though, eating time is for eating, nothing else.
 
Oh and for anyone who was wondering, the diagnosis is Stomach Qi Deficiency and Liver Yin Deficiency (mild). The latter will be corrected by itself if the diet is better absorbed from a stomach functioning properly... I got a bit excited and rushed my previous post this morning...
 
I will do these for a month and check back in begining of september. I also started working out and running to gain better physical condition.

Thank you so much! trying to figure this out by myself I would probably never have succeeded..
 
No probs. Just try not to push yourself too hard in exercise as you are coming from a point of deficiency and over exertion may worsen that. Start with something light like yoga and work upwards as your resources and energy levels increase.
 
Yeah I know my limits. I run around 2.5 km (2 miles) per run and I don't push myself working out. I do the darebee programs Yog posted (workouts with my own body weight). I am doing hatha & kundalini yoga now for around 3 months.

I have a few questions about the massages.

Liver massage - should i massage both feet?
Spleen massage - the point is on the inside of the leg right? also should I massage both legs?
Large intestine - should i massage both hands?

Thank you again! I also started taking time to eat and taking rests after meals. When i was young I always took a 20 min nap after lunch. Might start with that again.

Hail Satan!
 
Wow. That's a long run. Low intensity jogging for distances like that actually raises blood cortisol levels which as a stress hormone switches off digestive organs in order to save energy for the fight flight response for which cortisol plays a part. It can also lead to elevated cell damage over time or aging.

Relaxing after a meal is a good start although if your gonna nap I would recommend doing it sitting up to avoid food repeating on you.

And yes both sides should be massaged 1 minute each and Spleen 6 is on the inside of the leg just behind the bony ridge. 1 cun is the width of your thumb and 3 cun is the width of your four fingers minus the thumb pressed together lightly.. Spleen 6 is 3 cun above the ankle bone's highest point.
 

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