The Trends of This Group

[Azaziel]

I agree with you completly! For the man part I browse ToZ and Read the Emails from the E-group. Like whenever some post a question I go lok it up on ToZ. From what I have gathered it is best to be your own person. I do not blindly follow Gentilies word. Also with my gaurdian Demon here to guide me I have all the knowledge I need here.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, shawncunnil <shawncunnil@... wrote:

  It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

1. Because these people usually are trolls. If you have been here for long time you would know there are many infiltrators here and their tactics. This shows just your inexperience.

"I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe."

Try again actually, like I said you don't really know the level of threat a group which is attacked and bashed by everyone. It's common sense that it's gonna attract infiltrators.

2. Personal experiences are usually that, PERSONAL. Of course one would not mention any PERSONAL experiences as they are usually secret. You also miss the entire purpose here. It's not to tell people what we do personally so that they hold it as a crutch, but to encourage them to empower their souls so that they have their own experiences without depending on us. What we experience is irrelevant. I never or very rarely mention my own experiences, I only refer to them to the common knowledge my experiences agree with. What the ToZ site or most people say it's considered common knowledge and that's why I refer to it.

3. Again I highly doubt you are close to the Gods at all, if you were you would find it offensive.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

Actually the 2nd point of yours would be more correct if it was "Lack of BRAGGING about personal experiences". Which I agree with, I find bragging about my personal experiences useless and bad.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

1. Because these people usually are trolls. If you have been here for long time you would know there are many infiltrators here and their tactics. This shows just your inexperience.

"I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe."

Try again actually, like I said you don't really know the level of threat a group which is attacked and bashed by everyone. It's common sense that it's gonna attract infiltrators.

2. Personal experiences are usually that, PERSONAL. Of course one would not mention any PERSONAL experiences as they are usually secret. You also miss the entire purpose here. It's not to tell people what we do personally so that they hold it as a crutch, but to encourage them to empower their souls so that they have their own experiences without depending on us. What we experience is irrelevant. I never or very rarely mention my own experiences, I only refer to them to the common knowledge my experiences agree with. What the ToZ site or most people say it's considered common knowledge and that's why I refer to it.

3. Again I highly doubt you are close to the Gods at all, if you were you would find it offensive.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@ wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

Because they DO ask questions that are answered on ToZ, what should we do if they ask things like that which are common knowledge?? DUH!! You aren't being serious, aren't you?? If something is answered in ToZ which agrees with everything we know, why bother saying something new???

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Azaziel <zonerx22@... wrote:

I agree with you completly! For the man part I browse ToZ and Read the
Emails from the E-group. Like whenever some post a question I go lok it up
on ToZ. From what I have gathered it is best to be your own person. I do
not blindly follow Gentilies word. Also with my gaurdian Demon here to
guide me I have all the knowledge I need here.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, shawncunnil <shawncunnil@... wrote:

**


It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a
few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most
evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with
the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member",
or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being
ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with
accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the
most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them
names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the
new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual,
the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and
let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw
out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate.
Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid.
I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the
paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior
members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "
templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely
do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a
question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything
spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's
active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of
haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest
that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these
experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will
post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some
member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by
paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a
Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the
"offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these
qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or
her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and
reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I
am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may
recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this
post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that
not everyone here is like that.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

And to add something, I've found the opposite, that those people who brag about their SUPPOSED personal experiences all the time are usually trolls. I've seen it with most trolls and infiltrators, their posts usually start with "Satan told me" and are total bullshit.

It's common sense that honest members do understand that their personal experiences don't matter much because nothing of the same will happen to them.

You'll also notice that usually the opposite of what you say happens, that usually newbies get excited when they experience something so they immediately come here to talk about it. "Hey guys I just saw my aura!!Wow!!" To the experienced members this it's something that's routine so it hardly matters to them, so more to talk about it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

Because they DO ask questions that are answered on ToZ, what should we do if they ask things like that which are common knowledge?? DUH!! You aren't being serious, aren't you?? If something is answered in ToZ which agrees with everything we know, why bother saying something new???

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Azaziel <zonerx22@ wrote:

I agree with you completly! For the man part I browse ToZ and Read the
Emails from the E-group. Like whenever some post a question I go lok it up
on ToZ. From what I have gathered it is best to be your own person. I do
not blindly follow Gentilies word. Also with my gaurdian Demon here to
guide me I have all the knowledge I need here.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, shawncunnil <shawncunnil@ wrote:

**


It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a
few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most
evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with
the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member",
or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being
ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with
accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the
most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them
names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the
new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual,
the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and
let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw
out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate.
Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid.
I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the
paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior
members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "
templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely
do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a
question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything
spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's
active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of
haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest
that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these
experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will
post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some
member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by
paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a
Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the
"offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these
qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or
her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and
reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I
am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may
recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this
post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that
not everyone here is like that.

 

[Don Danko]

shawncunni, the perpetual virgin going to lecture everyone about sex.  Thankfully we don't follow your suggestions otherwise there would be no egroups left. Which makes me wonder is this just the tried old concern trolling trend. For people in general its easy to be around on here. If your not an infiltrator [which Israel alone admits they employ an online army of] or in general a delusional shithead. Its not rocket science.  
From: the_fire_starter666 <the_fire_starter666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:29:12 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Trends of This Group
  1. Because these people usually are trolls. If you have been here for long time you would know there are many infiltrators here and their tactics. This shows just your inexperience.

"I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe."

Try again actually, like I said you don't really know the level of threat a group which is attacked and bashed by everyone. It's common sense that it's gonna attract infiltrators.

2. Personal experiences are usually that, PERSONAL. Of course one would not mention any PERSONAL experiences as they are usually secret. You also miss the entire purpose here. It's not to tell people what we do personally so that they hold it as a crutch, but to encourage them to empower their souls so that they have their own experiences without depending on us. What we experience is irrelevant. I never or very rarely mention my own experiences, I only refer to them to the common knowledge my experiences agree with. What the ToZ site or most people say it's considered common knowledge and that's why I refer to it.

3. Again I highly doubt you are close to the Gods at all, if you were you would find it offensive.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

I also suggest being a dedicated Zevism for more than 5 years and having a strong relationship with the Gods and THEN saying this because you clearly have no knowledge now. Or even studying the past posts and how many times this ToZ group was hacked by infiltrators (hint: it's 3 times that this group was hacked by infiltrators or yahoo since 2002, and other ToZ groups have been hacked more times than that, the Blacksun group has been hacked 6-7 times since 2005), how many death threats or bribes the clergy members have received, how many infiltrators have emailed us privately in the past, how many infiltrator the moderators ban and ranting or enemy posts the moderators erase every week and how many past high priests were bribed and become traitors, and also google to see how many people bash and hate this group and even some people have claimed to put death curses against us. If you knew all these facts, you wouldn't really be saying something like that. You're just seeing these from your own safe world which is an illusion and not reality. The truth is that this group IS a serious threat to the enemy. Some ToZ site has also been taken down by then enemy and put back again.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[wilsonmike904]

I actually think you raise some interesting points.

You also have to understand that these groups have enemies. Serious enemies that are not in our minds. There have been many infiltraitors including clergy. HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car, this is not made up - this is very real.

As somebody who has only just started posting after lurking for many years, before I respond to anything I try and put myself in the position of a newbie. This site and Zevism in general can be very overwhelming and confusing. It goes against everything that is drummed into our heads from childhood. So I think your point here is valid. The hard part is distinguishing trolls from genuine but initially ignorant Zevists.

I personally believe that we have an obligation to help our brothers and sisters when they genuinely ask for help. That dictate is from Satan himself. Different people have different personalities and will deal with it in different ways.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[cam1]

I think you're right

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[Jason Noyes]

HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car?!!? And we're called the dangerous ones.JasonHail Satan!
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:40 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Trends of This Group
  I actually think you raise some interesting points.

You also have to understand that these groups have enemies. Serious enemies that are not in our minds. There have been many infiltraitors including clergy. HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car, this is not made up - this is very real.

As somebody who has only just started posting after lurking for many years, before I respond to anything I try and put myself in the position of a newbie. This site and Zevism in general can be very overwhelming and confusing. It goes against everything that is drummed into our heads from childhood. So I think your point here is valid. The hard part is distinguishing trolls from genuine but initially ignorant Zevists.

I personally believe that we have an obligation to help our brothers and sisters when they genuinely ask for help. That dictate is from Satan himself. Different people have different personalities and will deal with it in different ways.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[wilsonmike904]

Yes. Please read here

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/115

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Jason Noyes <noyesj30@... wrote:

HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car?!!? And we're called the dangerous ones.
Jason
Ave Zeus!


________________________________
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:40 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Trends of This Group

 

I actually think you raise some interesting points.

You also have to understand that these groups have enemies. Serious enemies that are not in our minds. There have been many infiltraitors including clergy. HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car, this is not made up - this is very real.

As somebody who has only just started posting after lurking for many years, before I respond to anything I try and put myself in the position of a newbie. This site and Zevism in general can be very overwhelming and confusing. It goes against everything that is drummed into our heads from childhood. So I think your point here is valid. The hard part is distinguishing trolls from genuine but initially ignorant Zevists.

I personally believe that we have an obligation to help our brothers and sisters when they genuinely ask for help. That dictate is from Satan himself. Different people have different personalities and will deal with it in different ways.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@ wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.

 

[Mc Rundown]

Wel elaborated.

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From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:09:43 PM GMT-0000
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Trends of This Group

Yes. Please read here

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/115

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Jason Noyes <noyesj30@... wrote:

HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car?!!? And we're called the dangerous ones.
Jason
Ave Zeus!


________________________________
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:40 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Trends of This Group

 

I actually think you raise some interesting points.

You also have to understand that these groups have enemies. Serious enemies that are not in our minds. There have been many infiltraitors including clergy. HP Pythia had a bomb put under her car, this is not made up - this is very real.

As somebody who has only just started posting after lurking for many years, before I respond to anything I try and put myself in the position of a newbie. This site and Zevism in general can be very overwhelming and confusing. It goes against everything that is drummed into our heads from childhood. So I think your point here is valid. The hard part is distinguishing trolls from genuine but initially ignorant Zevists.

I personally believe that we have an obligation to help our brothers and sisters when they genuinely ask for help. That dictate is from Satan himself. Different people have different personalities and will deal with it in different ways.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@ wrote:

It may not be this way with all Spiritual Zevists, but I have noticed a few trends with many of the members of this group who actively post:

1. Paranoia: The tendency towards paranoia in this group becomes most evident when a new member has either posted something not 100% aligned with the teachings on ToZ.com, has challenged the advice of a "senior member", or has asked a question that seems sarcastic. Often, instead of being ignored or answered accordingly, I see these posts answered with accusations of "Jew!" or "Yehubor!"
If the new poster is indeed a troll, whether or not they are "Jewish", the most effective means of dealing with them is to ignore them. Calling them names just makes you sound desperate and validates their trolling. If the new poster is not a troll, but just a misinformed or ignorant individual, the best way to deal with them is to present the truth as you know it and let them accept it or dismiss it as they choose. There is no need to throw out accusations or insults, as this only makes you appear desperate. Remember, Gentiles can also be misinformed, inexperienced, or even stupid. I believe there are far fewer "infiltrators" in this group than the paranoid members would have us believe.

2. Lack of Personal Experience: Most of the advice from many "senior members" of this group seems to be hearsay. Most answers are either "templeofzeus.org says this", or "many people have done this." Very rarely do I see someone sharing their personal experience as the answer to a question, and even when someone does, very rarely is it anything spectacular. Of course, this is to be expected if most of the group's active posters are new and inexperienced in Zevism. However, the level of haughtiness and condescension with which many of them reply would suggest that they are, in fact, experienced. Why then do we not hear more of these experiences, rather than all of the hearsay?

3. Easily Offended: A couple "senior members" come to mind. Someone will post a sincere question or comment, or possibly even a criticism, and some member will take it badly and become offended. This is often accompanied by paranoia. "I find this offensive. You are insulting Satan. You must be a Jew", seems to be a common type of reply in this group, even when the "offensive" question or statement is hardly so.

I will finish by acknowledging that not all members demonstrate these qualities. Occasionally I do come across a poster who seems to be on his or her own sincere spiritual journey, but can still speak with civility and reason. I commend those posters for fulfilling the purpose of this group. I am pointing out these issues so that those who are guilty of them may recognize the problem and strive to better themselves. I also hope this post shows new members who may have encountered the three trends above that not everyone here is like that.