The art of Glamour - detrimental, or useful?

Dec 21, 2021#43

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The Outlaw Tornsaid:
VoiceofEnkisaid:
The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP Zevios, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.
So you name dropped a few people as if their stance on it is even similar to SW who just supports abortion for the sake of it. I read the post as well and it had nothing to do with abortion being a eugenic or medical necessity.

Neither does it have it be. That is what all of us have said on the subject.

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The Outlaw Tornsaid:
VoiceofEnkisaid:
The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP Zevios, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.
So you name dropped a few people as if their stance on it is even similar to SW who just supports abortion for the sake of it. I read the post as well and it had nothing to do with abortion being a eugenic or medical necessity.

Neither does it have it be. That is what all of us have said on the subject.

Dec 22, 2021#44

VoiceofEnkisaid:
Neither does it have it be. That is what all of us have said on the subject.

That post was more like a bunch of feminist woman/child hating talking points cloaked in the idea of the “right to choose”. But carry on. I know what I read and I know who defended it.

Dec 22, 2021#45

VoiceofEnkisaid:

Don't worry, there's no need to step in. He doesn't bother me in the least. I accept my beliefs go against the norms here for the most part, that doesn't stop me from being willing to discuss it. He's allowed to be angry, no matter where that anger comes from.

Dec 22, 2021#46

Meteorsaid:

(If anyone reading is "alarmed" and wants to read to decide for themselves, this is my stance on abortion. )

Well people managed to find their way into their thread and have their say (again). To others that have replied to my post about my gender identity stuff, I've read what you have to say but I am speaking particularly to Meteor about it. I do not wish to discuss it with anyone else (right now). Thanks for understanding.

People, even our family, who have not been through the same thing, yes, I believe they will never fully understand, unless they have listened fully (I'm talking EVERYTHING; as we both know what we've said is vague and many details left out - it's public after all) to someone who has been through it, or they have been through it themselves. I'm not saying people can't get "the gist of it" though. But unfortunately there's a lot of assumption there, usually.

I don't think I ever told my mum about what I did. Like the above, I wasn't sure if she was the right person to talk to about it because her generation never really dealt, with any of this. At the time there was literally nobody, I don't even think I told my therapist. I did speak to one of my friends briefly, but I just made a joke out of it.

Hmm, I did not have a boyfriend at the time so I never really had anyone to influence how I feel about my own body. I think if I did, hypothetically, well it's just so weird how the things our partners say affect what we do, but really, a question for you particularly from me... wouldn't it be healthier if it didn't? As it sounds like, from what I've read here, you are happy and content now anyway. How often does your fiance bring this up? How does it make you feel knowing he feels that way? Do you feel he would he be okay with you staying (biologically) a man?

> "What if it's not that they think you're weird, but that the way you are raises uncomfortable questions about themselves?
I have definitely wondered this about many things. It makes me think about back when many men I spoke to were uncomfortable with my bombastic sexuality (to put it lightly LOL) and forwardness. It was important for me to find someone comfortable in themselves but also open minded and understanding. I thought that would be hard but I was wrong.

People will always have a problem with these things. I definitely don't think all of them have bad intent though. I'm glad you've accepted this because it sounds like there might have been problems with that before in your life. But it seems like this might be the reason why nobody is openly discussing it here despite having issues like this themselves (I have seen other threads and I feel some guests may be looking for answers and expansion of their world view). And you're not derailing the thread, after all, this is my thread and I will talk about whatever I want in it!

Meteorsaid:

(If anyone reading is "alarmed" and wants to read to decide for themselves, this is my stance on abortion. )

Well people managed to find their way into their thread and have their say (again). To others that have replied to my post about my gender identity stuff, I've read what you have to say but I am speaking particularly to Meteor about it. I do not wish to discuss it with anyone else (right now). Thanks for understanding.

People, even our family, who have not been through the same thing, yes, I believe they will never fully understand, unless they have listened fully (I'm talking EVERYTHING; as we both know what we've said is vague and many details left out - it's public after all) to someone who has been through it, or they have been through it themselves. I'm not saying people can't get "the gist of it" though. But unfortunately there's a lot of assumption there, usually.

I don't think I ever told my mum about what I did. Like the above, I wasn't sure if she was the right person to talk to about it because her generation never really dealt, with any of this. At the time there was literally nobody, I don't even think I told my therapist. I did speak to one of my friends briefly, but I just made a joke out of it.

Hmm, I did not have a boyfriend at the time so I never really had anyone to influence how I feel about my own body. I think if I did, hypothetically, well it's just so weird how the things our partners say affect what we do, but really, a question for you particularly from me... wouldn't it be healthier if it didn't? As it sounds like, from what I've read here, you are happy and content now anyway. How often does your fiance bring this up? How does it make you feel knowing he feels that way? Do you feel he would he be okay with you staying (biologically) a man?

> "What if it's not that they think you're weird, but that the way you are raises uncomfortable questions about themselves?
I have definitely wondered this about many things. It makes me think about back when many men I spoke to were uncomfortable with my bombastic sexuality (to put it lightly LOL) and forwardness. It was important for me to find someone comfortable in themselves but also open minded and understanding. I thought that would be hard but I was wrong.

People will always have a problem with these things. I definitely don't think all of them have bad intent though. I'm glad you've accepted this because it sounds like there might have been problems with that before in your life. But it seems like this might be the reason why nobody is openly discussing it here despite having issues like this themselves (I have seen other threads and I feel some guests may be looking for answers and expansion of their world view). And you're not derailing the thread, after all, this is my thread and I will talk about whatever I want in it!

Dec 22, 2021#48

Meteorsaid:

Hmm, I don't want to cause problems (for you) by being public. if you want to talk privately about things I have a gmail if you'd like. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
... If you were to take hormones and grow breasts, I guess you could be a defective/infertile woman.

I personally think it's quite dehumanising to call someone (in any context) literally defective simply because they can't/won't have children. That is like calling a man defective if he can't get his cock hard or if he has a vasectomy etc. This word is synonymous with disabled. The fact that we can choose to have sex for pleasure only is fantastic and is not defective in the slightest. The fact that we can choose to have children or not is fantastic and how it should be. Then, for the most part, only the people who truly want children will have them, resulting in less infanticide, maternal deaths, abandonment to adoption homes etc.

Meteorsaid:

Hmm, I don't want to cause problems (for you) by being public. if you want to talk privately about things I have a gmail if you'd like. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
... If you were to take hormones and grow breasts, I guess you could be a defective/infertile woman.

I personally think it's quite dehumanising to call someone (in any context) literally defective simply because they can't/won't have children. That is like calling a man defective if he can't get his cock hard or if he has a vasectomy etc. This word is synonymous with disabled. The fact that we can choose to have sex for pleasure only is fantastic and is not defective in the slightest. The fact that we can choose to have children or not is fantastic and how it should be. Then, for the most part, only the people who truly want children will have them, resulting in less infanticide, maternal deaths, abandonment to adoption homes etc.

Dec 22, 2021#49

AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
Meteorsaid:
At the rate things were going back when I was a teenager, if I had done nothing, I would have ended my life prematurely as it was profoundly unenjoyable for me back then. And now, I often find myself feeling so overjoyed, optimistic, and fulfilled,
You get the strength benefits of a man and the social benefits of appearing as a woman.
Of course not all men get the same strength benefits. You probably were one of the unlucky ones. However you are still much stronger than most women.
Also most women get social benefits that men don't get. Emotional support is a huge one. If you show weakness as a woman, you get help. If you show weakness as a man, people try to finish you off. Women get less time for the same crime. Women get a job easier for the same qualifications (although the pay is another matter). Women get friends much easier. Women get financial support by institutions. There are no willing homeless women (they are homeless because they didn't seek help because of an inflated ego) which is not the case for men. Men are less likely to get scholarships and more likely to be thrown out at 18. I could go on.
Being a man and appearing as a woman you get the best of both worlds. Being a woman and appearing as a man... that'd be catastrophic as you wouldn't get any strength benefits while losing all social benefits as well (which most women aren't even aware of having). That's probably why there are 4 times more transgender women than transgender men.

Those behavior patterns you mention are either stereotypes or dogma's.

The fact that they excist in your mind has to do with the people that you've seen in life.

There are women on the opposite end who have had to fight for everything and who have lost their homes and their security due to circumstances.
Not every woman has a net around them to catch their fall.
Women have their pride too. We are not all drama queens that want to have everything handed to us on golden platters. Also this in the paragraph above ^ is meek parasitic behavior.
(Not to mention all the curses against a woman in general.)

And there are also men whom lost their homes but they more often than not have someone that concerns them, whether it be their own mother or a good compassionate friend who lets them stay for a while.

Illusions, stereotypes and whatever should be broken. Just as civilisation is currently harsh, the harshest one towards yourself will be you, yourself.
The only one that can truly break you and keep you down is yourself.

This bad influence in society must be broken.
Responsibility must be properly taken and stimulated in a healthy way, so we can all become the best version of ourselves, and above all, be prosperous.

Men must be proper men. And women must be proper women. Diligent, strong, beautiful.
Take the three above words in the context that suits them best. My definition of them is rather broad.

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AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
Meteorsaid:
At the rate things were going back when I was a teenager, if I had done nothing, I would have ended my life prematurely as it was profoundly unenjoyable for me back then. And now, I often find myself feeling so overjoyed, optimistic, and fulfilled,
You get the strength benefits of a man and the social benefits of appearing as a woman.
Of course not all men get the same strength benefits. You probably were one of the unlucky ones. However you are still much stronger than most women.
Also most women get social benefits that men don't get. Emotional support is a huge one. If you show weakness as a woman, you get help. If you show weakness as a man, people try to finish you off. Women get less time for the same crime. Women get a job easier for the same qualifications (although the pay is another matter). Women get friends much easier. Women get financial support by institutions. There are no willing homeless women (they are homeless because they didn't seek help because of an inflated ego) which is not the case for men. Men are less likely to get scholarships and more likely to be thrown out at 18. I could go on.
Being a man and appearing as a woman you get the best of both worlds. Being a woman and appearing as a man... that'd be catastrophic as you wouldn't get any strength benefits while losing all social benefits as well (which most women aren't even aware of having). That's probably why there are 4 times more transgender women than transgender men.

Those behavior patterns you mention are either stereotypes or dogma's.

The fact that they excist in your mind has to do with the people that you've seen in life.

There are women on the opposite end who have had to fight for everything and who have lost their homes and their security due to circumstances.
Not every woman has a net around them to catch their fall.
Women have their pride too. We are not all drama queens that want to have everything handed to us on golden platters. Also this in the paragraph above ^ is meek parasitic behavior.
(Not to mention all the curses against a woman in general.)

And there are also men whom lost their homes but they more often than not have someone that concerns them, whether it be their own mother or a good compassionate friend who lets them stay for a while.

Illusions, stereotypes and whatever should be broken. Just as civilisation is currently harsh, the harshest one towards yourself will be you, yourself.
The only one that can truly break you and keep you down is yourself.

This bad influence in society must be broken.
Responsibility must be properly taken and stimulated in a healthy way, so we can all become the best version of ourselves, and above all, be prosperous.

Men must be proper men. And women must be proper women. Diligent, strong, beautiful.
Take the three above words in the context that suits them best. My definition of them is rather broad.

Dec 22, 2021#50

Meteorsaid:
how exactly do I benefit in any meaningful way from having above average strength for a woman?

By having the option of doing tasks that require above average strength for a woman. Maybe you chose to not exercise that option, however you have it in case you need it.

Meteorsaid:
If procreation was my goal, it would've been easier as a man if I just got some fertility treatments and got a girlfriend. But I'm only into guys
...
It's true that I have an abnormally high IQ (even despite Klinefelter having a tendency to lower IQ a bit), but seriously, how does any of this actually benefit me in any meaningful way from a competitive standpoint?

You probably didn't really have an option to get a girlfriend at your stage in life. Life for young guys is brutal as young guys have to compete for young girls both against other young guys and older guys and older men and lesbians and aliens. 80%+ of young guys never had a girlfriend until 30 years of age. Which is the age where most guys have enough resources to be competitive enough to attract a female partner.
So why are you into guys? Your subconscious mind has determined that that's the best course of action and is making you do things that you are not consciously aware of. Two persons working together have the potential of making/gathering resources four times more than a single person. For example, sharing an apartment you get to pay half the rent than if you were alone. Having only one person cook saves a substantial amount of time as well. Not having to look for a partner also saves time. Etc.
So by being into guys and having a partner, you have an economic advantage and you'll end up out-competing single guys in terms of finances, which means that later in life you'll have the option to have more offspring and thus propagate your DNA more. This is all the work of your subconscious mind.
Study some evolutionary psychology and you'll understand it all.

Meteorsaid:
how exactly do I benefit in any meaningful way from having above average strength for a woman?

By having the option of doing tasks that require above average strength for a woman. Maybe you chose to not exercise that option, however you have it in case you need it.

Meteorsaid:
If procreation was my goal, it would've been easier as a man if I just got some fertility treatments and got a girlfriend. But I'm only into guys
...
It's true that I have an abnormally high IQ (even despite Klinefelter having a tendency to lower IQ a bit), but seriously, how does any of this actually benefit me in any meaningful way from a competitive standpoint?

You probably didn't really have an option to get a girlfriend at your stage in life. Life for young guys is brutal as young guys have to compete for young girls both against other young guys and older guys and older men and lesbians and aliens. 80%+ of young guys never had a girlfriend until 30 years of age. Which is the age where most guys have enough resources to be competitive enough to attract a female partner.
So why are you into guys? Your subconscious mind has determined that that's the best course of action and is making you do things that you are not consciously aware of. Two persons working together have the potential of making/gathering resources four times more than a single person. For example, sharing an apartment you get to pay half the rent than if you were alone. Having only one person cook saves a substantial amount of time as well. Not having to look for a partner also saves time. Etc.
So by being into guys and having a partner, you have an economic advantage and you'll end up out-competing single guys in terms of finances, which means that later in life you'll have the option to have more offspring and thus propagate your DNA more. This is all the work of your subconscious mind.
Study some evolutionary psychology and you'll understand it all.

Dec 22, 2021#51

Jacksaid:
The majority of criminals, rapists and anti social people who create all sorts of problems for society also don't have a strong father figure. Do you think not having a strong father figure might have led you to develop this idea of Gender Identity ?

Hopefully, you're not trying to rope me in with people like that, because if you knew me, it couldn't be further from the truth. That wouldn't even be a question. And don't worry, he was strong, just in the most horrible ways a man can be 🙂. As for your latter question, yes it did directly lead to it. I have to be brief because I'm going to work but.... I have to be my own father = I have to do everything a father normally would, including protecting myself (I failed miserably) and teaching myself how to do things. These are masculine traits and contributed to some of the questions I had. But I do not blame my father for my shortcomings at all and I must simply rectify by becoming a better, stronger person myself instead of trying to play victim.

Jacksaid:
The majority of criminals, rapists and anti social people who create all sorts of problems for society also don't have a strong father figure. Do you think not having a strong father figure might have led you to develop this idea of Gender Identity ?

Hopefully, you're not trying to rope me in with people like that, because if you knew me, it couldn't be further from the truth. That wouldn't even be a question. And don't worry, he was strong, just in the most horrible ways a man can be 🙂. As for your latter question, yes it did directly lead to it. I have to be brief because I'm going to work but.... I have to be my own father = I have to do everything a father normally would, including protecting myself (I failed miserably) and teaching myself how to do things. These are masculine traits and contributed to some of the questions I had. But I do not blame my father for my shortcomings at all and I must simply rectify by becoming a better, stronger person myself instead of trying to play victim.

Dec 23, 2021#53

Jacksaid:

Glad things worked out.
I definitely have other issues I'm still ironing out, they are pretty bad, some are physically affecting me so I don't know how long it will take. This is a long haul thing. I am currently working on more tools for this. I want to also mention that not everybody who goes what I went through gender wise, goes through it the same way for the same reasons. Not everyone has daddy/mommy issues. It's why I think it's important to listen and not just assume. I am just one of many, many people.

I don't think people who have "weak wills" from whatever it may be are weak entirely per se, but they are disadvantaged. I guess you like Naruto so the way I see it is Naruto vs Sasuke. I would look around and see a lot of "Sasuke"s walking around but I'd wonder if Naruto was inside their head. And it doesn't mean Naruto can't catch up or surpass Sasuke. It might just take dedication most of his life. And I think that makes him becoming a better person for that reason because he can empathise with other Narutos and knows what it's like to push through. Sasuke can simply get where he needs to be in life quicker than Naruto.

I don't disagree that people take it differently. Some have abusive partners, friends etc all their life because they can't escape the cycle. Some like age gap relationships. There's actually many psychological effects that have been studied because of absent parents. Truly it could be anything, we don't know the human brain very well right now. I just don't think people should rely on weird Freudian stuff for this kind of thing though.

I guess in a way this is a huge reason why I'm so thankful to Satan. He has truly been like a father to me. I'd probably be a sad homeless drunk, alone or dead if I didn't take this path. I have improved my life in so many ways and found answers to things that seem impossible through him.

Jacksaid:

Glad things worked out.
I definitely have other issues I'm still ironing out, they are pretty bad, some are physically affecting me so I don't know how long it will take. This is a long haul thing. I am currently working on more tools for this. I want to also mention that not everybody who goes what I went through gender wise, goes through it the same way for the same reasons. Not everyone has daddy/mommy issues. It's why I think it's important to listen and not just assume. I am just one of many, many people.

I don't think people who have "weak wills" from whatever it may be are weak entirely per se, but they are disadvantaged. I guess you like Naruto so the way I see it is Naruto vs Sasuke. I would look around and see a lot of "Sasuke"s walking around but I'd wonder if Naruto was inside their head. And it doesn't mean Naruto can't catch up or surpass Sasuke. It might just take dedication most of his life. And I think that makes him becoming a better person for that reason because he can empathise with other Narutos and knows what it's like to push through. Sasuke can simply get where he needs to be in life quicker than Naruto.

I don't disagree that people take it differently. Some have abusive partners, friends etc all their life because they can't escape the cycle. Some like age gap relationships. There's actually many psychological effects that have been studied because of absent parents. Truly it could be anything, we don't know the human brain very well right now. I just don't think people should rely on weird Freudian stuff for this kind of thing though.

I guess in a way this is a huge reason why I'm so thankful to Satan. He has truly been like a father to me. I'd probably be a sad homeless drunk, alone or dead if I didn't take this path. I have improved my life in so many ways and found answers to things that seem impossible through him.

Dec 24, 2021#54

siatris666said:
you dont know all story... of this person
meteor destroyed a few Zevists... with all this insanity...
she destroyed a cybersec expert from jos...

I absolutely believe you my friend you always have the evidence it’s just that HP doesn’t want it on the forum because things will turn into a mess quickly.

Dec 24, 2021#56

Aquariussaid:
Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth.
It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

Well look, I think people can come to that conclusion themselves if they feel that way. I think censoring is pointless unless it goes against forum rules. I personally think people are WAY, WAY overreacting to what was meant to be just a personal discussion between Meteor and I. I did not feel comfortable with the apathy/lack of understanding shown by others for their issues, so I decided to go a different route to reach out and open up, as I don't give a fuck what people -especially on the internet- think of me anyway. I have extended the offer to speak privately, but there are people from all walks of life here; and I don't see the point in censoring public discussions about these topics. Xtards would historically censor cherrypicked things they didn't like... look how that's turned out. Everyone struggles differently; People can overcome all kinds of different issues. Everyone needs someone to talk to about it, too. Maybe even a fresh take. It is a reality and we cannot move forward just sticking our heads in the sand about things we don't like/don't want to think about etc. Even Cobra was kind enough to take the time out of his day to give his take.

Stormbloodsaid:
How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Regardless, it's still relevant, as makeup is usually used in early stages of gender/trans/sexuality issues. OP is still a thing and I'm still willing to hear opinions.
As for how, it's because I decided I wanted to discuss it with Meteor only about it, but everyone else joined in. And I still do. Clearly it's a hot topic :!: Just a bit hotter than I (we, perhaps) was/were expecting. To be frank with you though (not trying to be rude, just truthful), I don't care if people don't like it, because I/we want to discuss it publically, and I'm going to, unless mods have a problem with it. We are still Satanic members and this is still life experiences. I am here to expand my world view, philosophise, and I do wish to help people out if I can, in whatever way I can. People are welcome to join and leave as they please, and to read/reply, or not read/reply, and to come to their own conclusions.

Jacksaid:

Out of curiosity, did you post something? As I was quoted but nothing appears. It was deleted perhaps?

Aquariussaid:
Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth.
It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

Well look, I think people can come to that conclusion themselves if they feel that way. I think censoring is pointless unless it goes against forum rules. I personally think people are WAY, WAY overreacting to what was meant to be just a personal discussion between Meteor and I. I did not feel comfortable with the apathy/lack of understanding shown by others for their issues, so I decided to go a different route to reach out and open up, as I don't give a fuck what people -especially on the internet- think of me anyway. I have extended the offer to speak privately, but there are people from all walks of life here; and I don't see the point in censoring public discussions about these topics. Xtards would historically censor cherrypicked things they didn't like... look how that's turned out. Everyone struggles differently; People can overcome all kinds of different issues. Everyone needs someone to talk to about it, too. Maybe even a fresh take. It is a reality and we cannot move forward just sticking our heads in the sand about things we don't like/don't want to think about etc. Even Cobra was kind enough to take the time out of his day to give his take.

Stormbloodsaid:
How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Regardless, it's still relevant, as makeup is usually used in early stages of gender/trans/sexuality issues. OP is still a thing and I'm still willing to hear opinions.
As for how, it's because I decided I wanted to discuss it with Meteor only about it, but everyone else joined in. And I still do. Clearly it's a hot topic :!: Just a bit hotter than I (we, perhaps) was/were expecting. To be frank with you though (not trying to be rude, just truthful), I don't care if people don't like it, because I/we want to discuss it publically, and I'm going to, unless mods have a problem with it. We are still Satanic members and this is still life experiences. I am here to expand my world view, philosophise, and I do wish to help people out if I can, in whatever way I can. People are welcome to join and leave as they please, and to read/reply, or not read/reply, and to come to their own conclusions.

Jacksaid:

Out of curiosity, did you post something? As I was quoted but nothing appears. It was deleted perhaps?

Dec 24, 2021#57

Stormbloodsaid:
How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

That seems to happen every time, lately. I've been wanting to post some inspiring videos for women, but have hesitated due to it certainly being turned into transgenderism and other self-delusions. I've decided to wait a bit.

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Dec 24, 2021#58

Meteorsaid:
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oh, and Tabby who isn't here right now...
...

Yeah, no thanks. Dealing with your bs is like willingly drowning myself in a pit of mud. I'd rather watch it play from afar than engage in it needlessly anymore. You either get your shit together and start acting like a person with their head on straight, or you continue taking up space attention whoring and mocking people who just want to see you become like a sun instead of a rotting petri dish in a lab. I'm not sorry that our interests don't resemble the latter. Whatever you care to do doesn't need my involvement, you've made that quite clear, so why should I care to comment about it when you listen to nothing but the self-hating voice in your head and deluded cheerleaders?

Your choices in whatever direction you take is your own doing, not anyone else's. The consequences also.

Meteorsaid:
...
oh, and Tabby who isn't here right now...
...

Yeah, no thanks. Dealing with your bs is like willingly drowning myself in a pit of mud. I'd rather watch it play from afar than engage in it needlessly anymore. You either get your shit together and start acting like a person with their head on straight, or you continue taking up space attention whoring and mocking people who just want to see you become like a sun instead of a rotting petri dish in a lab. I'm not sorry that our interests don't resemble the latter. Whatever you care to do doesn't need my involvement, you've made that quite clear, so why should I care to comment about it when you listen to nothing but the self-hating voice in your head and deluded cheerleaders?

Your choices in whatever direction you take is your own doing, not anyone else's. The consequences also.

Dec 24, 2021#59

Does not make it right or correct though. And claiming to be "new" and showing no growth is no excuse either..

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Dec 25, 2021#60

Lunar Dance 666said:
Illusions, stereotypes and whatever should be broken.

Stereotypes come from pattern recognition. They are based on observing reality for a lenghty amount of time.
Of course there are exceptions to everything, however, they remain exceptions.

Dec 25, 2021#61

AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
Lunar Dance 666said:
Illusions, stereotypes and whatever should be broken.
Stereotypes come from pattern recognition. They are based on observing reality for a lenghty amount of time.
Of course there are exceptions to everything, however, they remain exceptions.

But stereotypes nowadays in society are almost completely wrong, based on enemy brainwashing and degenerate patterns. For example, a man is considered such for really low-level and gross things, instead of things like true leadership and other higher manifestations of Mars, the Sun and Saturn.

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AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
Lunar Dance 666said:
Illusions, stereotypes and whatever should be broken.
Stereotypes come from pattern recognition. They are based on observing reality for a lenghty amount of time.
Of course there are exceptions to everything, however, they remain exceptions.

But stereotypes nowadays in society are almost completely wrong, based on enemy brainwashing and degenerate patterns. For example, a man is considered such for really low-level and gross things, instead of things like true leadership and other higher manifestations of Mars, the Sun and Saturn.

Dec 25, 2021#62

Lydiasaid:
Btw I want to make it clear, in no way do I mean to be rude or disrespectful. I just think it's tragic when people don't even know their own identity or who or what they are :(

I find myself agreeing with you - mostly - though I probably wouldn't word it quite the same. I just find mostly people throw around the term "mental illness" in order to flame, rather than matter of fact (body dysmorphia is actually classified as a mental illness), though it's extremely hard to tell intent in text form. Perhaps that could be the stigma, or just how bluntly it is put? Who knows.
From my own personal experience, I feel it really shouldn't be happening, and shouldn't have happened. I was extremely lucky. I am thankful to be able to express myself freely, but I will not take it for granted.

I have not been questioning my gender since childhood though, in the grand scheme of things, that is something entirely different, and something I admittedly do not understand.
I can completely respect people's decisions to not want to get involved. In a sense, I think this is only resolved by the Higher Self, like Cobra said, it will force it's way Known one way or another. I just want people to know they are not alone in their struggles. I accept that I cannot always help fully.

I would like to mention one more thing. At one point, I was wondering if it was misinformation from my subconscious about the divine feminine/masculine. To embrace both can be a confusing, strange thing for many and I think this could be part of why people are struggling with themselves. Many, many people tend to push one aspect away. There is no proof of this of course, but I was thinking about that post about Apollo, and how people were confusing the concept of sexuality with it as well.

Lydiasaid:
Btw I want to make it clear, in no way do I mean to be rude or disrespectful. I just think it's tragic when people don't even know their own identity or who or what they are :(

I find myself agreeing with you - mostly - though I probably wouldn't word it quite the same. I just find mostly people throw around the term "mental illness" in order to flame, rather than matter of fact (body dysmorphia is actually classified as a mental illness), though it's extremely hard to tell intent in text form. Perhaps that could be the stigma, or just how bluntly it is put? Who knows.
From my own personal experience, I feel it really shouldn't be happening, and shouldn't have happened. I was extremely lucky. I am thankful to be able to express myself freely, but I will not take it for granted.

I have not been questioning my gender since childhood though, in the grand scheme of things, that is something entirely different, and something I admittedly do not understand.
I can completely respect people's decisions to not want to get involved. In a sense, I think this is only resolved by the Higher Self, like Cobra said, it will force it's way Known one way or another. I just want people to know they are not alone in their struggles. I accept that I cannot always help fully.

I would like to mention one more thing. At one point, I was wondering if it was misinformation from my subconscious about the divine feminine/masculine. To embrace both can be a confusing, strange thing for many and I think this could be part of why people are struggling with themselves. Many, many people tend to push one aspect away. There is no proof of this of course, but I was thinking about that post about Apollo, and how people were confusing the concept of sexuality with it as well.

Dec 25, 2021#63

Stormbloodsaid:
How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Because it was clearly derailed.

I actually enjoyed this post until now and went in to see what more I could learn from others.

Dec 27, 2021#65

Meteorsaid:
Lunar Dance 666said:
Meteor... For how long have you had the feeling that you wanted to fit in?
...
Since I was 3 years old.
I can't really take this anymore. As much as I try to detach myself emotionally (as I consider getting hurt by words a sign of weakness), I'm not invincible. Not to mention, several people have been very clear: "please don't talk about this topic here anymore, I find it disgusting and it makes me very uncomfortable".

People aren't supposed to be emotionally invincible and unmoved by whatever criticism is layed out. Justified or not.

I do find it hard to believe that you've not understood that yet, despite that you're an adult.

You're dutch. Despite that most people are weak fucks there are still plenty of assholes here in the netherlands that say such things like that have been said here in this topic to your face.
As Hans Teeuwen said, you develop a shield for that. Context being he's a cabaretier who made fun of muslim women and they wanted to speak to him and tell him its inappropiate yet he does the same thing in his cabaret with his own people... and we're all fine with it.

Find your own meteor. Don't rely on outside sources or what other people say. Grow your own confidence. Solve your issues. Let go of the pain.
Some pain runs very deep. Find what exactly that pain is.
So you can deal with it properly.

We are supposed to face our fears and negative bagage and overcome it. Not wallow in our misery, and let it swallow us whole. What was your reason for coming here? What did you want to gain out of being here?

Temporarily inactive.

Meteorsaid:
Lunar Dance 666said:
Meteor... For how long have you had the feeling that you wanted to fit in?
...
Since I was 3 years old.
I can't really take this anymore. As much as I try to detach myself emotionally (as I consider getting hurt by words a sign of weakness), I'm not invincible. Not to mention, several people have been very clear: "please don't talk about this topic here anymore, I find it disgusting and it makes me very uncomfortable".

People aren't supposed to be emotionally invincible and unmoved by whatever criticism is layed out. Justified or not.

I do find it hard to believe that you've not understood that yet, despite that you're an adult.

You're dutch. Despite that most people are weak fucks there are still plenty of assholes here in the netherlands that say such things like that have been said here in this topic to your face.
As Hans Teeuwen said, you develop a shield for that. Context being he's a cabaretier who made fun of muslim women and they wanted to speak to him and tell him its inappropiate yet he does the same thing in his cabaret with his own people... and we're all fine with it.

Find your own meteor. Don't rely on outside sources or what other people say. Grow your own confidence. Solve your issues. Let go of the pain.
Some pain runs very deep. Find what exactly that pain is.
So you can deal with it properly.

We are supposed to face our fears and negative bagage and overcome it. Not wallow in our misery, and let it swallow us whole. What was your reason for coming here? What did you want to gain out of being here?

Dec 27, 2021#66

Meteorsaid:
Since I was 3 years old.
I can't really take this anymore. As much as I try to detach myself emotionally (as I consider getting hurt by words a sign of weakness), I'm not invincible. Not to mention, several people have been very clear: "please don't talk about this topic here anymore, I find it disgusting and it makes me very uncomfortable".
I'm very sorry for bothering people with this. I understand that I have to erase my past if I want to have any chance of belonging here. Even if that won't be fully me anymore, at least it'll be part of me.

Please don't be so hard on yourself. Yes, people are getting frustrated at this issue, but also you are not the only one going through this as well. Your progress and eventual resolution of this will serve the community as a valuable lesson well into the future, and you yourself will be able to help others who are in your shoes.

Unfortunately for everyone, your issue is one that requires a significant amount of patience and understanding, more than some are willing to give. However, you cannot be undeterred here: You must be willing to take the time and effort to implement a real and spiritual solution to your gender dysphoria.

You do not need to delete your account, or erase your past, or do any modifications to your identity or body! That is the whole point! Instead, you need to harmonize all aspects of your being such that you finally become comfortable with who you are. Please try to understand this.

The above is why it is even more unfortunate that the community is reacting harshly, but that is why it is even more important for you to stay clear-headed. You aren't invincible to emotional influence, just like all of us, but that doesn't mean you cannot take a deep breath and work on true solutions, rather than being compelled to a false bandaid.

Meteorsaid:
Since I was 3 years old.
I can't really take this anymore. As much as I try to detach myself emotionally (as I consider getting hurt by words a sign of weakness), I'm not invincible. Not to mention, several people have been very clear: "please don't talk about this topic here anymore, I find it disgusting and it makes me very uncomfortable".
I'm very sorry for bothering people with this. I understand that I have to erase my past if I want to have any chance of belonging here. Even if that won't be fully me anymore, at least it'll be part of me.

Please don't be so hard on yourself. Yes, people are getting frustrated at this issue, but also you are not the only one going through this as well. Your progress and eventual resolution of this will serve the community as a valuable lesson well into the future, and you yourself will be able to help others who are in your shoes.

Unfortunately for everyone, your issue is one that requires a significant amount of patience and understanding, more than some are willing to give. However, you cannot be undeterred here: You must be willing to take the time and effort to implement a real and spiritual solution to your gender dysphoria.

You do not need to delete your account, or erase your past, or do any modifications to your identity or body! That is the whole point! Instead, you need to harmonize all aspects of your being such that you finally become comfortable with who you are. Please try to understand this.

The above is why it is even more unfortunate that the community is reacting harshly, but that is why it is even more important for you to stay clear-headed. You aren't invincible to emotional influence, just like all of us, but that doesn't mean you cannot take a deep breath and work on true solutions, rather than being compelled to a false bandaid.