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The art of Glamour - detrimental, or useful?

AvatarSoul Wings5 min to read

I think it is important to feel yourself whether you are wearing makeup or not. Many women say they feel "naked" or not themselves going out without makeup. It has become so ingrained in our routines it feels out of place without it. It has become so fiercely associated with femininity, one could almost feel out of place or even "unfeminine" without it.
The history of makeup has been quite an interesting relationship. Ancient egyptians would wear eyeliner to announce status and use it for ritual. It may have given some practical benefit to reflect the sun. Around the world, royalty and aristocracy would powder their faces paler to feel more "virgin" and "pure", or youthful. There are also tribal and spiritual connections as well.

Many argue that makeup is simply to enhance what beauty they already have. They are trying to hide the fact it is mainly used by modern women to cover imperfections or dramatically alter the appearance of one's face. Most women know this truth and men are starting to realise as well. The word "glamour" is derived from both "grammar" - study of language and literature; and "grammatica" - occult learning tacked on. The magical association with the word didn't come till 100 years later - meaning things like "enchantment", "illusiory", "romantic", "alluring", and so on.

It's not necissarily hurting anyone, so is it harmful? Well, it doesn't have to be.

I'm going to open with some personal context. I never really wore makeup growing up because not only did school not allow it, but honestly, there was no one around me to bother impressing with it. I did not have much money either, and what little I had I spent on trying to combat my acne. However, back then I had abysmally low self esteem, I would look in the mirror - if I even looked in a mirror - and cry because of how overwhelmingly ugly I felt. (I don't hate my face anymore. Zevism really changed me.)
On the odd occasion I did wear makeup to perfect my skin - I got more looks from men. It is just simple fact that I got more attention when I wore it. In fact, they would stare. Barely anybody would look at me sideways if I did not wear it. (Or at least, I did not notice.) Someone with such bad self esteem such as mine back then, would easily come to the conclusion that the "easiest" and "safest" thing to do for their tiny little broken ego... is wear makeup to feel better.
We live in a very superficial society and in many people's cases, people will literally make conversation or comments about the imperfections on your face or skin. In some extreme cases, people are shaming skin colour so badly, it's driving people to literally bleach their skin.

Or how about the "you look tired" one liner everyone loves so much.

We've all seen the "take her swimming on the first date" memes I'm sure, or the "what's under that beard?" memes in retort. There is distrust from the trend of dramatic facial alteration to conform to ideals. But the truth is, it is being perpetuated by the very people that persecute. The passive aggressiveness centred around this frustration is only adding fuel to the fire on both sides.

If we think about it - makeup has the power to make one confident, feel beautiful, perhaps even like royalty. That is almost alchemical in definition. It is a creative expression. It is incredibly artistic and an artform, a craft in itself. You could even say it is an expression of hidden aspects of ourselves. Our face is the first thing someone is going to notice, and it is the boldest statement one can make.

Makeup can be symbolic. Red lipstick was symbolic of strength and recovery from the sufferagette movement. It was used as a statement of rebellion. It even motivated house-bound women to go out and get a job just to afford it. To many, it was also a symbol of hope and cheer during/after WWI. It is still a strong statement now - more of confidence and a sexy statement. Many have said it mimics the colour lips turn when aroused and that's part of why we find it so sexy!

So there are good things and bad things. Clearly, women do need to work on foundational self esteem, this would alleviate half of the problem. I am drawing a pretty big blank here, so if you guys can help with some solutions that would be great; I think one possible solution to solving the rest of it, is to publically encourage an environment where it's okay and even sexy to show your imperfections. This particular subject is not spoken about nearly enough - especially by men, who have an extremely, extremely large influence on this (whether women will admit it or not) and almost no knowledge of the reality. Many are clueless on just how heavily this weighs on women. We are spiralling further and further into a "catfish" society and we all have to try and intervene. Snapchat and instagram is the tip of the iceberg. Real time facial projection technology is being perfected and showcased. Fuck knows what else is in store.

#20

Not that I'm actively looking but passively noticing, it's interesting how I'm the total opposite with that. Men with tatts, piercings, metal clothing, long hair etc, if they look well groomed they overwhelm me waaaay more than suits and I don't get easily overwhelmed. Never really see that here in public though, maybe that's why - 10000 suited up, 10 metalled up. I often wonder if it's because of the similarities between this and Vikings who were very, very powerful (but surprisingly shy about sex unlike media portrays!).

.... Sorry if that's crass but I don't really get the difference between putting on makeup and wearing a business suit to be honest. A closet lesbian if there is such a thing would probably also just choose the suit. It makes your shoulders look a bit broader and makes you look less like you've ever had a problem in life that set you back and that's very attractive or whatever....

I'm not sure what you mean here with the closet lesbian thing but if you mean dressing to impress is just as important or just like makeup, I agree. I will spend money on nice clothes for interviews because it's basically an investment. I guess in a way, so is makeup. Honestly I'm wondering if a nice suit is cheaper than a full face makeup set lol!

I definitely do not like women who think they are superior because they say they don't like makeup or men who think they are superior because they never wore a uniform...

I used to dislike it, but I learnt how to use it properly and I can enhance my face subtly.
Ugh, usually women like that have been around christians or something of the like. Or they are a tomboy (as I am) and think they can push that onto other people like anybody cares. Maybe they are simply close minded, they tried makeup, looked like trash the first time (we all did) and just gave up. Maybe they are cranky lesbians.

#21

A lot of women wear so much makeup it's like a mask and looks so fake. And then they look entirely different once they wash their face at night. Using products to enhance natural beauty is great and adds personal style though.

Me, I used to wear more makeup when I was younger, but I'm really loving the look of my natural skin now. I use good products, I steam my face, exfoliate, etc, and my skin looks good and healthy. I wear eye makeup for enhancement, mascara some eyeshadow and a bit of eyeliner. And that's it, I have naturally rosy cheeks so no need for blusher or anything.

I used to be insecure without makeup on as that's how we women are programmed: we aren't women unless we dye our hair and paint our faces. But then one time I had to go for breakfast somewhere, I had no makeup whatsoever on, and a man started flirting with me. I was like "wow wait I'm attractive without makeup on?!?" And he seemed like a successful and decent man, not one of those guys who hit on any woman out of desperation, so it was a legit confidence boost.

And I don't wear perfume, the scent of my skincare products give a nice scent, as they have essential oils and extracts of fruits and stuff.

#22
Meteorsaid:

There are also those who say cash is filthy. ... Perhaps it's ironic for me to bring it up, considering my partner was unemployed and in poverty back when we started dating, but he's too amazing in other ways for me to care, not to mention wealth and status are things that can be obtained over time anyway.

I'm not sure if you mean literally or figuratively but for me, it's both. I handle cash daily and I hate to think how many hands passed over it. As for figuratively, aside from the whole "you've gotta fuck someone over" to be a billionaire, I've never liked the way Cash works with the bank and all that. The basics of economy (when I bothered to pay attention) annoyed me. I've my hopes in the virtual wallet markets as it seems to be more private and more regulated. I have this feeling (I don't have any proof...) banks are cozy with the government so they can share your spending habits with them if necessary.
About your partner. That is so lovely to hear. I was in your partner's position years ago and having you to help pull him through that must have been amazing. I'm glad to hear there are people out there like that. Back then I didn't think that was possible at all.

...when someone has absurdly long nails that would just get in the way of everything and break if they're careless, it shows that they can get by without having to use their hands for anything; and that's quite a flex of status in a way.

Yes I noticed this too! I saw this is a trend in Japan where 3D nail art first started. I watch a lot of beauty gurus/strippers etc and a lot of them can have long nails because their jobs don't require them to use their hands.
I have been trying to learn how to do my own gel nails (It's not that I don't want to pay workers - I find salons highly unpleasant) but when there's literal schools for these things it can be quite complicated.
I think this might be why we associate fine gloves with wealth as well- can't get them dirty, they're nice silk ones!

#23
Lydiasaid:

I used to be insecure without makeup on as that's how we women are programmed: we aren't women unless we dye our hair and paint our faces. ...But then one time I had to go for breakfast somewhere, I had no makeup whatsoever on, and a man started flirting with me. I was like "wow wait I'm attractive without makeup on?!?" ...

And I don't wear perfume, the scent of my skincare products give a nice scent, as they have essential oils and extracts of fruits and stuff.

Yeah I used to be insecure about my natural hair colour but it's weird because people will pay 100s of dollars for the same colour I've already got, lol.
That was weird for me the first time it happened too. I wonder if guys every consciously think that it's nice to see women with their natural skin showing (especially if they have obvious imperfections?).
Yeah my perfume is probably toxic like everything else, but I like to have the illusion of "having my shit together" for work (kind of like how makeup works as well although in some businesses it is not a choice and I find that abhorrent).

#24
Aquariussaid:

Huh, is that concept or did they actually run in a magazine? Hugo boss is an actual fashion brand right?
Their uniforms were always so distinctive and well-designed.

#25
Larissa666said:

Is lack of vanity a bad thing?

Asking for a friend. :lol:

No, but I do think people should have -something- that makes them more of a person.

#27
Meteorsaid:
Godmodesaid:

I definitely do not like women who think they are superior because they say they don't like makeup or men who think they are superior because they never wore a uniform though. That's just how your life played out and how the people in your life reacted to your circumstance and what you needed to do to get by, it doesn't say everything about your character. Especially if the woman is already really pretty and the guy already has broad shoulders, it can be kind of narcissistic to say how you don't need the suit or the makeup while everybody else does. That's simply not how life works. That doesn't advertise anything but an attitude, it's just a brag of how real and down-to-earth you oestnsibly are.

I feel called out. If it wasn't for my smooth skin and thick eyelashes that look like I'm wearing eyeliner anyway, perhaps I would be more enthusiastic about wearing makeup. I just don't like it because I feel like I don't have much to gain from it.

I still remember when I was 13, I got complimented by my classmates for my mascara, saying it looked good on me... despite me not wearing any, and never even having touched makeup in my life. I tried to explain to them that this is just how I look, but they didn't even believe me, not even the girls who looked at my face up close to check. It definitely did inflate my ego a bit, for better or worse. This was despite me being a boy back then.

My gf told me I had really beautiful eyelashes and I told her to stop telling me that because I wasn't a woman. Somehow multiple women have commented on that stuff uncalled for.

#28
Jacksaid:

I told her to stop telling me that because I wasn't a woman.

Someone's masculinity has been threatened.

I am reaching towards a green apple.

#29
Meteorsaid:
Godmodesaid:

I definitely do not like women who think they are superior because they say they don't like makeup or men who think they are superior because they never wore a uniform though. That's just how your life played out and how the people in your life reacted to your circumstance and what you needed to do to get by, it doesn't say everything about your character. Especially if the woman is already really pretty and the guy already has broad shoulders, it can be kind of narcissistic to say how you don't need the suit or the makeup while everybody else does. That's simply not how life works. That doesn't advertise anything but an attitude, it's just a brag of how real and down-to-earth you oestnsibly are.

I feel called out. If it wasn't for my smooth skin and thick eyelashes that look like I'm wearing eyeliner anyway, perhaps I would be more enthusiastic about wearing makeup. I just don't like it because I feel like I don't have much to gain from it.

I still remember when I was 13, I got complimented by my classmates for my mascara, saying it looked good on me... despite me not wearing any, and never even having touched makeup in my life. I tried to explain to them that this is just how I look, but they didn't even believe me, not even the girls who looked at my face up close to check. It definitely did inflate my ego a bit, for better or worse. This was despite me being a boy back then.

I can't call you out on being pretty, It's just good to have modesty. And if you were living in a junkyard and working in a coal mine, a lot of that natural glow and beauty may have not been there, because stress and life circumstance has much to do with whether you "need makeup" or not. Nobody really does, but even as a guy if you get too stressed out you get a ton of acne and your hair goes white and we're not allowed to wear makeup so I get jealous of that too. It's just the same thing as a suit or a haircut, you shouldn't need anything but your self to romantically or sexually attract someone

#30
Meteorsaid:
Jacksaid:
Meteorsaid:

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My gf told me I had really beautiful eyelashes and I told her to stop telling me that because I wasn't a woman. Somehow multiple women have commented on that stuff uncalled for.

While I don't know if it's true or just a myth, I've heard rumours that men actually have longer and thicker eyelashes on average than women. Supposedly, this would be due to testosterone permanently helping in the development of those hair follicles.

So, in a way, she was indirectly saying you look like you have high testosterone! Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to take more pride in your manly eyelashes, rather than letting it get to you on the basis of baseless stereotypes? She probably meant it in a good way, you know. At the very least, it sounds like it's something she likes about you.

Well I was saying it with a smirk on my face which made her giggle so it's fine. I'm used to saying triggering things to women with a smile ,to see their reactions. Some of the more obvious Dank Jokes I've made in the last two days

"Yeah I only want sons, daughters are such a headache. "

"Girls only think about one thing and it's disgusting."

"A shy wife who cooks good food and shuts the fuck up is every man's dream."

These are such obvious stereotypes so when I say it with a smile ,they understand I'm joking and they laugh too. A lot of stereotypes can be used to create Humor because societally it has been established that its a stereotype and hence wrong .

#31
Soul Wingssaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

Necessary and good for any civilization, it is like art.

Sure, 100%... but (if you feel like commenting further/have time) how do you feel about the initial attraction/catfishing aspect of it? I feel like most men cannot tell what a woman's natural facial structure/skin texture is like without makeup these days because of how heavily it's altered (or "glamoured"). I find this interesting, because if you want to have children especially, things like this might be important to some people. Even women themselves use catfishing as a verb nowadays. Or, is it simply a matter of choosing to loving a woman, makeup or no makeup?

If you are having serious plans about a woman, then the time will come where you will see her without makeup. If you cannot accept her, then you never had any serious plan with said woman.

There is no way you can have a girl that you are at the point where you will have children and not have reached somewhere where mutual recognition of how you look for real won't be the case. That's how babies are made and how relationships go.

Yes, makeup can be so powerful it can cause even a full on "deception", while others might call it art or get attracted from this. Generally women don't wear this to deceive, but to amplify.

It can be so powerful that it can act as deception, although, that is rare.

Appearances are part of human nature, and women wanting to be as beautiful as they can and is a natural tendency for many women. Many are deceived and go to extremes however, but still, that is an exaggeration of a natural tendency.

Women tend to want to be beautiful in some way, and not the other way, and there are natural and existential reasons for these tendencies.

#33
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Soul Wingssaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

Necessary and good for any civilization, it is like art.

Sure, 100%... but (if you feel like commenting further/have time) how do you feel about the initial attraction/catfishing aspect of it? I feel like most men cannot tell what a woman's natural facial structure/skin texture is like without makeup these days because of how heavily it's altered (or "glamoured"). I find this interesting, because if you want to have children especially, things like this might be important to some people. Even women themselves use catfishing as a verb nowadays. Or, is it simply a matter of choosing to loving a woman, makeup or no makeup?

If you are having serious plans about a woman, then the time will come where you will see her without makeup. If you cannot accept her, then you never had any serious plan with said woman.

There is no way you can have a girl that you are at the point where you will have children and not have reached somewhere where mutual recognition of how you look for real won't be the case. That's how babies are made and how relationships go.

Most of them don't even get away with it ,with the guys they want to pursue. I've been able to know progressively over the years when a women is wearing makeup to cover up for imperfections versus enchancing her already natural beauty.

#34
Meteorsaid:

Is your mom also using hormone replacement therapy to help with postmenopause? Mine is, and I wondered if that also contributed to her looking so young and healthy for her age. She says she feels a lot more energetic thanks to it too.

Mine doesn't. Perhaps it has to do with good genes or her doing sports every day or not using any medicine.
She puts absolutely nothing except water on her face. Not even soap.
Maybe it has to do with the food we eat. We buy very little from the store and buy almost everything directly from farmers.
I also look much younger than I am. I don't use fluoridated toothpaste nor do I drink fluoridated water and I still have many baby/milk teeth.
That's my anecdotal evidence.

#35
Meteorsaid:

You still have baby teeth? Are you a teenager or an adult? Doesn't that look a bit weird if you're an adult? Not that I'm judging you.
I've read that some people who are born without adult teeth, have their baby teeth removed and replaced with implants as an adult so they can look more normal. I hope your teeth do properly come out after all, unless you like them as they are anyway.

I'm well into adulthood and my baby teeth are strong, straight and healthy. I was advised against removing them by a dentist.

#36
AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
Meteorsaid:

You still have baby teeth? Are you a teenager or an adult? Doesn't that look a bit weird if you're an adult? Not that I'm judging you.
I've read that some people who are born without adult teeth, have their baby teeth removed and replaced with implants as an adult so they can look more normal. I hope your teeth do properly come out after all, unless you like them as they are anyway.

I'm well into adulthood and my baby teeth are strong, straight and healthy. I was advised against removing them by a dentist.

Have you got a double row of teeth then?

I had a baby tooth molar on top of my normal molar. At some point I bit it in half (had already been like that for a year). So they took it out.

Temporarily inactive.

#37
AgainstAllAuthoritysaid:
Meteorsaid:

You still have baby teeth? Are you a teenager or an adult? Doesn't that look a bit weird if you're an adult? Not that I'm judging you.
I've read that some people who are born without adult teeth, have their baby teeth removed and replaced with implants as an adult so they can look more normal. I hope your teeth do properly come out after all, unless you like them as they are anyway.

I'm well into adulthood and my baby teeth are strong, straight and healthy. I was advised against removing them by a dentist.

They didn’t just get loose and come out on their own? That’s what’s supposed to happen. Unless you’re talking about molars or something else.

#39
Soul Wingssaid:

...

Part of the reason my replies to Meteor on that subject were particularly harsh is because I know a few "behind the scenes" things that are better left unsaid, but I had to factor these into my replies to them on that subject.

Not to mention, as someone on my understanding, it is not difficult to understand where gender confusion leads to, and why it exists, and how falling into that abyss isn't the answer for people struggling with those sorts of things.

The way you came to self realization and overcame your own situation is the right way to go about it.

You realized you do not have to pretend to be anyone, or be confused about anything, refusing to let the treatment you received from others as well as your struggles with life due to an absent father rule over your mind and dictate what sort of woman you can or cannot be.

Understanding and accepting the reality of your self is the first major step in this, no matter how much one may dislike the truth in this regard.

Ask and answer the question: "What kind of woman am I?" Rather than ask "Am I a woman or am I a man? Why am I even a woman if I hate it so much? What point is there to it to be something I dislike?" Etc.

Understand you are born the gender that you are. Then understand what this means for you, understand what kind of person pertaining to that Gender is you.

When you find yourself and step into your own, all confusion disappears and nothing else in the world can really mess with your self realization any longer.

Treatment of others or circumstances one finds themselves in can no longer dictate what you think you are or aren't, as you know fully what and who you are without any confusion present.

Finally this leads to true liberation and freedom in ones expression and also true unity with ones being that is required to reach higher advancement.

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#40
Shadowcatsaid:

My boss on my last job we just finished up was pretty cool and always made jokes. One of them was the women in the kitchen joke which he knew i knew was all in good fun. Another one is the classic "make me a sammich". Haven't had that one yet towards me yet but if i do especially if its serious ill be like "well damn always the sammich...not the potroast or the chicken and rice? Actin' like a chick cant cook :lol: :lol: :lol: "

LOL I'll keep that one in mind! Yeah, a sammich is nothing compared to a full meal :lol: Although let's face it, aren't most of the best chefs in the world men? :lol:

Also, to people here about lotions etc for the skin, a lot of the store-bought stuff is actually harmful and ages the skin. Look into natural and pure oils, such as jojoba, grapeseed, wheatgerm, safflower, rose otto, orange essential, and so on. These are wonderful for the skin and anti-ageing. You can combine a few into one container and voila, your own supreme facial serum! Also much cheaper and will yield a far larger amount.

#41
The Outlaw Tornsaid:

Soul wings supports killing the white baby needlessly while it is in the womb and now it comes up that they have mental issues. A surprise to no one.

I've read what Soul wings had to say about that subject, which has nothing to do with what is discussed here.

The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP Zevios, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.

Don't use unrelated things said by others to justify your own flawed opinions about subjects and the said person in question.

Stop perpetuating drama related to these subjects as well. If you just want to be entitled to your opinion, that is fine, you can do so in your own time and at your own place.

The ToZ's stance on abortion and other subjects is rather clear already, therefore there is no need to push your own flawed opinion here in this kind of drama inducing manner, as it doesn't accomplish anything and doesn't lead to fruitful discussion about any subject.

Grow up a little, and either refute straight any nonsense said by a person, or learn to ignore it if you do not have anything to bring to the subject, or shoot it down pragmatically to avoid any unnecessary drama perpetuation.

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#42
VoiceofEnkisaid:

The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP Zevios, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.

So you name dropped a few people as if their stance on it is even similar to SW who just supports abortion for the sake of it. I read the post as well and it had nothing to do with abortion being a eugenic or medical necessity.